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What happened:: its giveaway or contest has manipulated Spiroll.app | Win $50 BTC | Predict last three digits of bitcoin block #768250 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5429495.0). Edited post for being they account are winner, doesn't proved as 1team/1owner? probably winner is Paxsells. 

Scammers Profile Link:   https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3519430

Reference Link:   https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5429495.0
Amount Scammed: -
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Proof of Payment: -
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Username Heibo edit post https://i.postimg.cc/Xq0bgR9C/image.png
Username Spiroll edit  post  https://i.postimg.cc/bNpPSjyX/image.png
Posted winner after edit post.
My guess, they could be scenario. Heibo asking for prediction.

LOL :D

It's 100% a fixed contest because both of the users edited their post, especially Spiroll representative is more faster to edit his post, Heibo aka Spiroll alt account edit 1 minute after. Very shame to see a casino didn't even can pay $50, I think they don't have any bankroll.

The one who should win is this account, the last block number is 450 and he's predict 455, while Heibo is predict 472.

Good catch OP!

What a stupid scam attempt..I mean they even quoted each person's prediction and then edit that person's prediction by themselves (as only they could edit their own post of course) so they can't even claim that what they did was just a mistake

https://i.postimg.cc/pL9br5dh/Screenshot-2022-12-21-at-09-45-51-Ninjastic-Space.png https://i.postimg.cc/wMWZT98Q/Screenshot-2022-12-21-at-09-44-55-Spiroll-app-Win-50-BTC-Predict-last-three-digits-of-bitcoin-block.png

Spiroll looked dodgy right from the beginning with their unrealistically high jackpot, and this just confirms that this is a deliberate scam. If casino can't afford $50 reward, imagine what will happen if anyone wins any bigger amount of there?

What I don't understand though is why they even edited that post as from what I can see, Heibo would win anyway as Paxsells prediction wasn't accepted in the first place.

This questions about their reputation directly. But I remember spiroll hired Royse777 for their last thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5424047.0), and Im sure they must have paid him/her something.
Spiroll should be notified about this accusation against them, we need to know their point of view on this (if they have any answer/justification to give). But most likely imo they have selected their own alt as the winner by looking at the current scenario.

They also updated the rules of contest after i made the post of me not being able to withdraw my 12$ If I’m not wrong.
Anyway it’s an open and shut case, i don’t think they can justify.

Yep, fact that @Spiroll edited his post at 6:23:42 and @Heibo at 6:24:40 is a proof that both those accounts are controlled by the same people.



Paxells wasn't accepted (Spiroll didn't quote his prediction) but that poses a question why they even bothered with editing posts since from what I can see, @Heibo's initial prediction was indeed the closest.


They have been notified about this issue. I am really curious to hear what they have to say in their defense but I doubt that any could make any sense and made me change my opinion about them.

Paxells prediction was rejected due to no user name "ngetroll" in the system.

https://i.imgur.com/ZKue1Uz.png

I believe Spiroll delete account "ngetroll" on their database and delete his quoted.

If Paxells not accepted, why the edit post?

funny how they can spend money on copper membership but can't spend $50 on their giveaway. their launching day here in the forum was already rocky because of their max win and their small bankroll but now they just sealed that they are actually nothing scammers. as I said before on their giveaway thread, it would be best to just avoid the gambling site.

still doesn't change the fact that you manipulated and cheated your giveaway

Ok, but you still didn't answer why you edited @Heibo's entry, and how come he edited it in his post as well only a minute after you? How do you explain this weird "coincidence"?

It's really hard to explain. The user opened a support ticket to change his guess and said there is no rule in the matter that his prediction is unchangeable. And we changed his prediction. This is our fault. We apologize to everyone.


https://i.imgur.com/OFZHNWy.png
https://i.imgur.com/jmhZ8Ia.png

If we go back to Heibo's account and review his old topics (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2985729;sa=showPosts;start=40), we will find that he writes in Turkish like you? Is this a coincidence? If this is not your multi-account, then this may be your friend or one of your acquaintances. You should not deny this, and why did no one other than this particular person change his His prediction only, and why is he the only one who contacted your customer service, as you say? Do not put us screenshots of your platform. You can fake this conversation by modifying the source code for your site by pressing F12 or using any Photoshop program. Can you answer my questions? It is unfortunate that we find these methods of cheating in the amount of $ 50, if you do not have enough integrity to promote your platform fairly, how will the community trust you?

You can't really expect us to believe such nonsense. Both of your posts were edited after block #768250 was mined, a fact which proves you rigged the results of your contest even if the story about an alleged support ticket is true. And, for 50 bucks? You've got to be kidding me!

That's possible they can do that on their database they can delete, and change the username on their database, some casinos have this feature on their backend

Of all the posts that you can edit, it should not be the result of the contest if you want to add something then post a note because Bitcointalk has a tool to check edited and deleted posts.
This is two in a row and I doubt if gamblers here will still ok to play in this casino, there are already tagged on the representative of the casino, and maybe a flag soon.

How hard it's to explain?
https://www.blockchain.com/explorer/blocks/btc/768250
The block mined on Mined on December 20, 2022 06:18:59

The edit time
https://i.postimg.cc/BvJzZFr0/last-edit.png

Oh dear
https://i.postimg.cc/KzrKtRQx/last-again.png

Result announcement
https://i.postimg.cc/FzCHxcS5/final.png

So December 20, 2022 06:18:59 to December 20, 2022, 06:32:47 PM was enough time to do everything.

Shall we say the support ticket was fake, the really hard to explain phrase is fake too. Well you are fake.
Stop it and admit.

Nice find from OP another proof if @Spiroll is a scam site.
You guys should he remember when i warned you all first https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5426973.0

I've warned you all, don't play on this site before they give us their proof if they have $250,000 as bankroll. Now they even scammed from people who joined on their contest for $50 only, LOL. If they have $250,000, why they need to scam $50? They don't have that much obviously

I would say this is the nail that seals their coffin, they are trying to regain their reputation by launching this contest but it backfires I read somewhere in their post that they are going to post their proof of reserves to show that they have the means but they never show it and they never will, they are exposed and busted, their presence here in Bitcointalk I guess is not welcome anymore, they can bring their business elsewhere but your bad reference coming from here will stand.

I left them neutral feedback weeks earlier, warning it's a scam waiting to happen. It's good to see not many people joined their "contest".
This is actually quite good, now their negative feedback will be a much stronger warning to stop a bigger scam.
They haven't been online since this scam accusation was posted in their contest thread, so it looks like they've left Bitcointalk (at least on this account). If someone creates a Newbie warning Flag, that would be the final nail in their coffin.

Also worth noting: they never paid the fake winner's address (https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/address/bc1q8zr62hardk5kkjym5femqtqsqfpwnakstzpg9z).

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They had a $5 million jackpot, and claimed to have a $250,000 bankroll. That was a scam waiting to happen already. They never gave proof of their (small) bankroll, now it turns out they don't have $50. Lol.

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I've never seen this before. "Wager" by definition is the amount you bet, not the profit. They're literally changing the meaning of a word. What's next: replace both "win" and "lose" by "aladeen"?

What's the point of paying yourself when you can save miners' fees

Keeping up appearances, but it's too late for that.

Yep, it was pretty obvious how this story will end up, even though we gave them benefit of doubt at first with that jackpot bs but it didn't take them long to actually start scamming people.


If there was any doubt who was behind the winner account now there isn't.  :D


I kinda expected OP to create one but since he didn't here it is, flag type 1 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=3077

I supported the flag and it seems they are not interested to defend their contest and their reputation it's very obvious that they manipulated the results this is one of the times that newbie presented clear pieces of evidence of manipulation and with the two warnings they deserve their tags and the flag, that could over now for this casino.
I expect them to learn from this and come back and come out with a new one.

I can't help but find it amusing that they tried to rig the competition. It was almost comical to see their shady casino operation come crashing down in such a spectacularly miserable way.  :D

As LoyceV pointed out, this was a scam waiting to happen and could have had much more severe consequences.


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