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Today i placed some single bets for 3 events, each bet was on the underdog and the draw. And would like to know if other users here like to bet that way. These were the matches:

1.-Porto vs FC Arouca
2.-Paris Saint Germain vs Strasbourg Alsace
3.-Leeds United vs Manchester City

And the multipliers from each win go from x7.6 to x23.


A lot of times I have done parlays in the past, and it fail by a game that was supposed to be an easy win, that's why I'm betting this way today. So, what do you think, will I lose the 6 bets?

The fact that those picked odds of yours are somehow high to consider, expect that the chances of hitting those are not that decent.

But who knows that your luck will come to you and your bet will be nailed. Don't expect though as that was really tough to expect.

No one knows what will happen so good luck.

It could work in itself, but keep in mind that you need to get more matches right. If you take 10 matches from 1.07, you will end up at approximately 2.10, which is not the same as choosing 1 match that is also at 2.10. You are the favorite in every match, but if it goes wrong in 1 match, you have lost your entire bet. To be honest, I wouldn't put a lot of money into such a strategy right away. However, any strategy can work if you make well-considered choices and don't just pick matches blindly. There are people who have become very rich with multi bets.

it's a clever idea play single match and not as multiplier.
probably in this part of the season, after a world cup, during Christmas holidays, underdog teams can have some chance so not bad at all...
however the odds are an indicator of probability of a certain event. if the odds is @6 it means that around 1/6 you can get a win ::)
I will be not really confident on it but let's see if you are lucky enough and achieve a decent win :)
good luck! ;)

I know at least one person who makes such bets systematically. I suggest you take a look at this thread: Odds, units advantage | Sportsbook | +85933 units (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5011930.) As you can see, he has been in business for several years, a very long distance and he is in the black.
If you want to bet not on luck, but seriously, I think his method will be useful to you.

I do feel the odds of winning, however possible, might be quite easy if you have some major gambling experience. The psychology of gambling is developed after several tryouts, only then can a strategy be formed. As it concerns soccer, it might just click but soccer is one hard game for multipliers.
Also, I doubt the frequency of winnings is going to be much as compared to making single bets. I do like your thinking and willingness to openly share your strategy. I would try these out one of these days and encourage any of my friends who find this probable to also give it a try.

If he lost, not so bad with his pocket as he is not betting big.
But if he won, that's a good sum amount of money. So he will be lucky in case he got those right.
One win from those bets, will already give him his initial funds. But if it parlay, I am guessing he will lose it.
Well, we know if the odds are high, usually, the bookies are right. But who knows they may be wrong also.
Usually, I don't chase big multipliers because most of the time, you will lose on this bet.

i never bet on the underdog

To be honest, this is an inter-league club match, everyone competes, even if they lose, they still have the opportunity to catch up on points and positions that are left behind. Don't compare it to yesterday's world cup. force themselves to fight until they win whereas in the league they play not that hard even losing is not a problem for them because they only play for the club not for their country

Imagine in fact if you did not bet on the underdogs but you placed a parlay for these three teams which would be about 1.7 in total so you would have won now,Leeds lost 1-3,Arouca is losing 3-0 already in first half and Paris has beaten Strasburg.

What we can learn from these bets is that you never put a parlay for  3 teams with underdogs and even 3 single games for the underdogs usually do not give you a good payback because most of the times you lose.It is better to place parlays with these favorites or find a good single.

Personally I am loving the both teams to score experimenting I am doing because most of the games in the popular leagues end like that so if we are careful to read the news and check the stats we can get a big multiplier by chasing for example instead of 3 underdogs 3 both teams to score yes games with odds 1.8 and up and the odd would be 6 or more but with much higher chances than betting on the underdogs.

I haven't bet on football but I used parlays many times when betting on my favorite sports, and it's hard to hit a 6 game parlay obviously because you really don't know what to expect as you have said.

There were games that you think it's a easy call because the team has a higher chance of winning and then you add it to your parlay. However, that one game, that will totally ruined and destroy your parlay and it's very hard to accept it, hehehe. So as much as you analyze the game itself and thinks team A will win, but then again, you need that element of luck as well to hit that magical 6 game parlays of yours. That's why I only bet like 2 with odds higher like 2.5x or 3 game parlay with 3.5x odds and then put a decent money (maybe around $100 and up) instead of looking for a huge odds of 7.x higher.

It didn't work, maybe it's easier to get those soccer surprises in events like the world cup, but for these 3 matches, I lose the six bets.

I try to do the same with basketball by placing bets in the draw chasing an x14 on each bet, but from 5 bets all lose too.

So, a lesson learned, big multipliers in sports are hard to get.

Sorry to say this, but unfortunately, you just lost the whole 6 games, as none actually played the way you predicted. Moreover, you are not the only one who lost these selected matches, as I was also carried away by the huge odds, of which I thought the match between PSG vs Strasbourg, but luckily, PSG scored the die minutes goal, making it "2-1".

Moreover, here is the full result
Leed 1 vs 3 Man city
PSG 2 vs 1 Strasbourg 
FC Porto 5 vs 1 FC Arouca

I know of persons who always bet on the underdogs to win because of the big words associated with them and they have been unlucky more times than they have been lucky, but any day they get lucky and the underdogs win like we saw In Argentina Vs Saudia Arabia where Saudi Arabia shocked everyone by winning Argentina, the winning is usually very large.

Betting on the underdogs require a big measure of believe, to believe when others do not, to make decisions that people refuse to make, it is not a betting strategy for everyone.

I'd say you're only talk with your assumptions and there's no actual proof about it.

Sure Inter league is really long and they have a chance to comeback even though they're start very bad at the beginning, but is there any clubs that doesn't want to get a trophy? nope. Every clubs are trying to win to get the trophy and it's a way to show their own skill to get traffic, which will let them to join a big clubs or get better salary. If their performance isn't good, the manager will put them on bench and only let the best player to play.

Underdogs do have a very big odd, but how many people will go for underdogs, to me it is not a good selection to stake on underdogs, but matches can disappoint us at times and the underdog may win, but taking underdog will also only still bring losses. I too go for underdog sometimes just because I used just little amount of money on betting, so if I lose, I will not think about it like something left my bucket because the money used for it is small. All I have noticed about betting is that there is no way you can win the betting site more if you gamble more, even if you are selecting the underdog, they still get your money, if you are taking the strongest team, they have small odds that still will let them win your money.

events were not easy to predict, unfortunately the final result was quite obvious :( . I was curious to see how it went a bit for the reasons I wrote here in the post. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5432199.msg61511447#msg61511447

Curious note, interesting all three events finished over 2.5 + goal goal!

Yes mate, chasing for huge multipliers through parlays are very hard to get, even a 2 game bet parlay is already very difficult to predict, what's more if you bet 5 or more, the odds are not on your side.

Try this on tennis as well, maybe the most I got is predicting 5 games but that is one time only, and that is very very hard and probably I did get it because it's on early rounds so mostly rank players vs un-rank but still though there are the chance of an upset.

This is an obvious result considering the matches that he bet is from the league which team has the regular member unlike the world cup which team is just formed to compete for the special event which means there is a high chance for draw or underdog win. I would say betting on props bet or total score is much easier to win with that insane odds.

Nevertheless this OP experiment is good because it's not a regular bet on his side plus the bet amount is not that huge. GG Op

Chasing a big multiplier by betting on a weak team, in my opinion, the chances are almost the same as parlays betting, there is a chance to get big profits but it's not an easy thing to get, for example out of 10 league matches only a few can be won by a weak team, if want to apply this strategy have to be observant to see which team's opportunities can make a surprise.

Quite a natural result, but even if his smallest bet played (odds 7), he would be in the black. In general, if he is interested in a more or less "fair" result with the least influence of chance, he needs to make about 50 such bets. In bets with large odds, the dispersion is very large.

Only "if". That high odds obviously have an associated low chance of happening.

If we do that regularly and hope for that expectation, you won't notice that the small bets you are placing are now big in total.

It's good to bet on the underdog (I sometimes do this at basketball matches) but at least don't just be attracted blindly and easily to the high odds. As much as possible, make sure that our chosen underdogs do really have a good chance to turn the table upside down.

Not really, if you are lucky and if the games go in your favor. I have betted that way some time before and the odds were insane, and when I used to win a single game, it would cover at least 8-10 losses if I placed same size bets. I put bets on many underdogs because sometimes, they may win and bring us huge returns if we bet higher, however nobody would go for higher bets because the risks are uncertain and very few would take such risks for unbelievable rewards.

I wasn't too sure about your bet, and in fact you lost. even if it's a small amount at stake. However, this method is not very effective because after all it is very difficult to bet on the underdog. at least, there are many options that you can choose from and never be tempted by the big odds given by the dealer. at least, there is something you need to do, namely analysis and how much probability you will win to choose the underdog team.

If it were me, i would choose a lot of options, whether it's for a score above 2.5 goals if the match is not profitable to choose the seed team. or at least, you have to make sure beforehand to watch the match so you can bet again with multibet. at least there are many ways, and never force it if the probability you have is very small. you can bet on single bets, bet on parlay options. the most important thing is don't be greedy, because there are many matches that you can choose than you do this method but the results are not effective.

Wake up, mate. Upsets do happen but with odds given like that, don't expect a huge win.

This is a problem for some bettors why they end up wrecked. They want a fast phase of winning by choosing only high odds, not realizing that those high odds won't be considered given by the bookies if it does not make sense to give.

Maybe we can win if we will do that kind of betting regularly but it depends on how patient you are in waiting for that winning result to come.

Honestly to make accurate predictions is never easy that is why we just need to keep trying our possible best so that we can keep making an effort until we start winning.
This is the time to take some risks before the year ends to so that can make some winnings that can go a long way for us.
 I have took some funny risks before mostly in sport bets and I had ended well being a lucky gambler even when the games I books was very risky and funny since everyone that saw the game was asking why I booked such kind of game because it never make a common sense to them.

I honestly think those odds were worth trying anyway when some of the matches these past few days are too unpredictable. For example the PSG game, they went up 1-0 early and got an unexpected red card that nearly forced the game to end in a draw but they still somehow got the win when they got rewarded a lucky penalty in the final few minutes. It might be better to avoid the EPL though when most of the matches over there went as expected while the Ligue 1 and La Liga matches were all over the place.

As you know, if the house gives you a big multiplier it is because the outcome you are betting on is unlikely.

From what I have seen of sports betting, years ago it was somewhat easier with study, perseverance and effort to win in the long run but the bookmakers have been improving and adjusting their odds so it is becoming increasingly difficult.

I don't think about the individual outcome of a bet like yours so much as what happens if I bet a million times like that.

The problem is that even if Mbappe had not scored a penalty at the end of stoppage time, the OP's bet would still not work. The problem with betting against the favorite is that it can fail in two ways - lose or draw. Thus, for reliability, you need to bet on a double chance, but in this case, the coefficient drops very much.

Big multiplier to win is likely a rare case, maybe the best bet (if you're doing multiple bets) is to have at least one or two match that you think might have the chance to get an unexpected result. I think even if you do this for 50x it will still be difficult and you'll probably still in the loss too, maybe just by betting small amount will do.

Sometimes we want to wager a bit higher odds so we could get bigger rewards, it's just something people could prefer time to time. I mean think about it this way, what if I wagered on dice, and bet on x99? That would be hard to hit as well and yet we do it, so why not do it on football as well?

I have played parlay many times before, in fact that is the type of game I prefer over single betting. The difference is that, I like to just pick the winner of the game, some people pick from yellow card amount to corners to many other details, I just pick the winner. So when you wager 10 games, and pick 10 winners, that's it? That's good odds and a good chance to win as well.

Of course, big multipliers are hard to get, in the Porto game against Arouca for example, it was clear that Porto would win this game easily, the odd for Porto to win the game was @1.14 and it is almost impossible for the bookmakers to make a mistake when in a game the odds for the favorite are at odds of @1.14, of course there are events in which they were but they are very rare cases, most of the time games with odds of @1.14 they are right

in the PSG game against Strasbourg, for example, you would have hit a little bit, but this was a BTTS game because the PGS in almost all games concedes goals and manages to score goals, so if you had put the BTTS on then you would have managed to hit it, although you also stayed very close to having hit a draw

in the city game against leed, honestly it was difficult for leed to beat city or draw against city, in the last games city had some difficulty in each game but they came to this game with one thing in their heads: " no there's no way they could lose" because arsenal would be too far away from them so when it's games like that don't expect them to lose or concede a draw

in any case, I think that making this type of bet is a waste of time and money, it is even better to bet on the favourites, the odds in a parlay may not be very high but they are the most advantageous

I think there's always a reason for everything; ofcourse the site programmers won't add those options to their sites if it were gonna incure too many wins , without a loss....OR, the other way round too.
I don't see gambling as something that's done successfully because you've known alot of options that looks like an escape-way... NO, I see 'em winnings to be a LUCK.... simple! I sure hope this bet made way for you already? Or it flopped? Sorry about them.... If you're doing that for a living ( cus I know a couple of dudes over here that does that), then consistency could, perhaps be of help to yaa.

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And that's why most people who want high rewards will end up losing. I will ask you, how often do you win from parlay bets by entering 10 matches. although I know that in fact we can choose the number of yellow cards, corners, or other things without having to always choose the team that will compete.

Sorry in advance, I'm a bit pessimistic that many people who do parlay options tend to end up losing. just imagine, to predict just one single match sometimes the results are not as expected. that is, the prediction missed. especially if it's 10 matches, I think it's quite difficult for us to win in the parlay option. however, I agree that it is better to include a corner kick than a yellow card because it is quite easy to guess what other matches have a significant difference.

Even so, to be honest I have never been more than 4 matches and usually only three matches, even then, I don't always choose a team, it can score goals, corners and the rest choose the team. of the three matches, the probability that I have is quite large. moreover, if I bet a large enough amount. however, the truth is that everyone has their own thoughts and that is their right.

I think what you did here of betting multiple single bets is better than betting on parlays because we often heard horror stories on how it goes. Usually, the bettors are screwed on the last games resulting for them to lose all the wins that they already built up. I know some of them can possibly cash out but sometimes we can be greedy and want to win the whole amount.

Also, not all times cash out options is available so bettors have no choice but to continue their games even though it is risky. Lastly,  we shouldn't think that some games are easy and underestimate the potential of other much weaker teams but it seems you already learned your lesson because you are now betting for draws and the underdogs. That's great.

I also have the same experience with parlays, I think one of the parleys I lost which was really very painful to me was one I had 12 games in one, with an odd of over x300, I bet $50 and was expecting to win over $15000, wining such an amount of money would have been a life changing experience for me, but one game destroyed the whole bet, 11 games went through, but the 12th games lost, and I wasn't online to monitor the game, I would have probably cashed out mid way.

Single bets are easier to win, just that profit are smaller compared to multi bets, for me, I think there is no way to tell if you will win or not, just cross your fingers-this is if the game is not already played as I didn't pay attention to dates on the slip posted.

When in doubt, just single it out :D

If you have some money to spare, I guess going for singles instead of a parlay is better than just placing one bet in a single parlay. Seeing that those odds are also high, expect that a lot of those games you have picked will have a different outcome than you have imagined. While in soccer, it's not really that uncommon to see these odds given how hard it is for teams to score against another, those odds are optimized by odds providers, hence those are the most probable outcome that can happen with a huge margin of error of course, which explains why favorites might get a 2.5 odds against a 3.5 on the opposing team.

Personally I'm up for chasing huge multipliers, but not every huge number has some value in it. I've learned that the hard way when betting with teams that I think were on the greener side of the playing field just because of their recent results against other teams. It pays to know every aspect of the bet and not get attracted by the seemingly juicy odds that the bookmaker is providing you.

There are a lot of people who are abusing the selection of sportsbooks as well, that is why oddmakers had to work hard. They would gamble on all possibilities at different places to drop the possibility of a small loss, that way they would just bet different bets on different sportsbooks and whatever the outcome was they would win.

They would hunt down on those differences in results and get a profit that way. So it is not just about adjusting the odds, it's about making sure that the book doesn't bankrupt because of those people. In the end we do not have it that wide anymore, most sportbooks have pretty close odds in all around the world.

Bad luck this time, but keep trying and adjusting the strategy, at some point you will match the correct result. Next time i just think you should select more carefully which matches you are going to pick. The Porto and PSG ones were unnecessary. That is the kind of risk that doesn't worth to be taken, or maybe you could have placed a lower bet on those matches, so you didn't sacrifice your money too quickly persuing underdogs.

That's a good choice go with singles than a multi. Unfortunately none of the bet have won. These kind of betting used to be very interesting, because we are playing against the odds predicted to win. I've placed similar bets on Tennis matches and I never go with 6 bets at a row. Maximum I bet on two matches. This is just an experience to correct yourself and make better strategies for the next matches.

It is good to go for single games instead of accumulating bet, that is one if the right thing to do while gambling because one game can cause an accumulated bet to be lost. But the mistake I see is that you are going for underdog, because they are having more odds and you think they can win, or draw. So far matches can be won, drawn or lost, that creates more ways to lose. You selected some to draw where it is possible that the underdog might lose or win. I will advice you to just go for clubs you think that would win if a strong club is playing with an underdog. Never take gambling that serious.

I want to correct what you said, maybe in casino gambling. we better not take it seriously. which means, we just play for fun.

IMO, sports betting can be taken seriously especially football. but with conditions, must have sufficient knowledge and experience of the teams that will compete. in this case, I'm referring to the big leagues. as you said, choosing a single bet is the most ideal thing than gathering several teams and then entering a parlay bet slip. single bets are more promising for victory, because we only bet on one match and this is obviously very different from the parlay option.

IMO, the problem is that most gamblers want the highest profit offered by the dealer. as in this case, the Op. the most fun thing about choosing an underdog team is because the odds that the dealer gives are very high. however, in fact if we refer to statistics, teams, odds, then it's only natural that the bookie gives big odds.

because most likely, the underdog team will lose and this is the simple logic. however, it could happen otherwise the team that is not the seed will win. However, it is important to remember that we must involve analysis, knowledge and all the latest information regarding the match. in essence we as gamblers must use logic when we want to bet, principles of knowledge and analysis are needed to be considered especially in parlay options. ideally, if you want to bet on a parlay, 3 teams are enough for me. the chances that we have too, are bigger than choosing many matches.

Sometimes I do "dumb" bets like this just to breakaway from my betting patterns. I tend to get bored doing the same stuffs over and over so it's quite fun to do something else. Win rate is low as well but it doesn't hurt since the amounts are within my limits. Of course I personally do not recommend anyone to follow this kind of style.

I will take your advice and bet on underdogs who really have a chance to win... I learned that big multis in sports bets are too hard to hit and we must have a lot of luck to hit more than one or even one.

My next underdog bet will be in MMA.. in 2 days the legend Fedor Emelianenko will fight against Rayan Bader, and Fedor is the underdog with a nice x3.75 on it. I think this fight has a good chance to win. So let's see.

I'm not too fan of multipliers. Even though there is the promises of high profits, we need to take into account that the risk also goes up exponentially. That is why I prefer to avoid multipliers and only go for them with sure bets.

Like i stated earlier, i love multipliers, infact, I cant really do sports betting without trying out multipliers, i always to see those crazy amount of money i stand a chance of winning with a bet of $1 if all the games in the bet slip push through, though i dont always expect to win though, i just have fun looking at the numbers, and the goodnews is that even as difficult as it is to win bets with multiple games in one ticket, ive luckily won it two or three times on stake.com, the unfortunate thing was that i didn't stake a good amount of money in the two times i won.

Did you lose all of them? I can confirm too, haven't checked the Porto match result. I don't track that league a lot. Anyway, I had this experiment long ago lol, and at the end, I was in loss overall. In soccer, such result happen a lot of times, yesterday for example. PSG lost the match. If you continuously bet on underdog, you are going to lose a lot for sure.
I have gotten 5+ odd a few times but that's rare of course. I was lucky in the last cricket T20 world cup, I was able to get 7+ odds in 2 match if I can remember correctly.

There is also a chance that you could end up with like 3.20 odds for a team and get like 5 of them on the same parlay and you will end up with gambling a good amount and winning it. I am not saying 5 underdogs will win at the same time, but it is also not impossible and some people do it.

Or you could pick the favourites but they are favourites for a small margin, like you know those games when one team gets 2.00 and the other gets 2.80, it is not a by far thing but close enough and you pick the 2.00 one and then play 10 of them or something. These are all very very low chance but that is why they pay a huge amount and they are not commonly won, but when you win it's all worth it.

Mostly bet like this do make a better winning because a I have known about sport bets is luck and more luck. You can blindly select some match for winning and people asking you that the bet is a dumb one for you can be fortunate enough to end up having a fantastic winning. That is how all this kind of bets do work. It is not always based on experience or skill most time but luck can comes in.

Going against the odds is really interesting and in some matches it used to turn and finally our bet used to fail. I've got chances to win big odds from tennis matches. Most of the time I used to do live betting. Here it is an easy task to go with the best odds. As said it is a way to examine whether we're lucky or not.

Going against the odds would put you at risk but would definitely generate bigger profit. But to emphasize bigger risk, that is on you as a gambler whether to go against it or not. The only advantage of following the odds is to have a bigger confident with the winning bet inspite of having no certainty still. If you are a risky gambler you'd more likely go against because it would seem to be a shortcut to bigger profit but on my end, I think it is not. Following the odds is advantageous especially if you are not familiar with the teams in a match but you are eager to bet.

But going with multipliers, it is a risky move. You could lose all of your bets or win all of them . As I've mentioned, bigger profit means bigger risk. You choose as a player. On my end, Id prefer to play my bets safely not only in football but to all sports.

But I think when in sports betting there is a team that has a percentage of multiples of profits with a large number, the team will experience defeat. There is very little chance of winning the match.
And vice versa, if there is a team that has a percentage of multiples of profits with a small or small amount, then it is clear that the team will experience victory.
If there is a team that has a small percentage, this happens because many gamblers have placed bets on that team and I think in a sports match if there is betting in it, the victory belongs to the team that gets the most bets.

This is really relatable. I sometimes think that my betting patterns have become so dull and very predictable that luck itself is avoiding me. Every once in a while, I will go ham on one single bet, or create a 10-leg parlay just to see if it will hit, and to also "cleanse" my bad luck. I know that it doesn't work, and it's obvious that it's just to remove the redundancy of the "pattern" that I am doing, but it clears my frustrations somewhat—and if it wins, then it's a bonus that I'll gladly take.


This is the basics of how odds are generated by the oddsmaker. The one they think that is more probable to win will receive low profits, whereas the underdogs will always get juicy odds with high returns. You take your pick, and as bets come in, the odds will shift depending on who's getting the more bets.


How would a team getting the most bets win an event? Those events are not connected to the gambling platforms, and the bets coming in does not influence the games at all ???

I feel that is best to gamble on least amount of games in football betting if you are seeking big multipliers. I remember times when companies allowed people to bet on single derby (like promotion) so everyone tried many different multiplied combinations. Some people won extra-ordinary amount of money. As soon as you increase number of games to more than 2-3, like 5 with uber awesome odds, your winning chance drops a lot.

I don't know what is the current result of the match you made your bet. I'm fond of doing this kind of under dog bets on my early days of betting. I remember that I like betting on TI matches on dota2 and I always bet on either underdog and my favorite team to maximize my overall profit. To those who experienced dota2 items betting before, I made my 10+ keys into a DC hook. That is how effective I do this technique before but yeah it's not effective at all since that current TI is the only TI I made profit from doing this kind of betting strategy.

I can never bet like this, no fun going for betting if I just prefer to go for the underdogs, the better team is likely to win. If the strong team do not win, the match can still be drawn, which makes going for underdog to be a loss. I can go for underdog, but in special cases and for some reasons that the underdog might win, I have done that before that I have won, or going for underdog win or draw. But the fun I have while betting is to choose the right team to win.

in the case of parlay bets I don't really like that, because there is a very large risk of defeat that must be obtained when one of the teams chosen does not match our predictions.
indeed when choosing a multi or parlay bet it looks very profitable and the multiple wins are very large, but I tried several times before and it never worked, I thought maybe my luck was very small in this sports betting.
but sometimes a gambler who doesn't want to try betting on multi or parlay anymore, they will be tempted and try again in the hope that luck is on their side.
and I prefer single bets rather than having to choose parlay bets.