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Title: How do you feel about google services?
Post by: tjtonmoy on December 28, 2022, 08:01:17 PM
As we all know, Google is a massive tech giant company. Except for those who use iPhone, people who are using android they are getting support from Google and their operating system. How safe do you feel while using it?
Recently, Google has changed their map services from maps.google.com to google.com/map
https://i.postimg.cc/R0HKnqJ7/screenshot-69.png
So now google can access your location not only on map, but you are providing the location to all google related apps while using only one app.
Writing your seed phrase using google keyboard has been an issue in the past, as it can auto complete your next word from seed phrase if you write it once.
Not as issue for those who use computer but newbie who get into crypto, the majority of them create their first wallet on their smartphone.
Now, google implementing this location sharing service with all the app can lead to some problems.
And also OTP (One Time Password) to set up your many crypto related accounts comes to Google's message app.
They know your email, they have access to your OTP, and now they also know your location.
If one can get hold of this information, then you are really in a big trouble. They can literally bypass your security through this.
What should be the best way to prevent this?
We all know that google has a very good security and privacy policy to store user's data. But it is not impossible to get hacked. Everything on the internet is vulnerable. I have said it in the past, and I will say it here again. Nothing is impossible if the right person chooses to do it.
With all the assets you hold, how safe do you feel using google's services?


Title: Re: How do you feel about google services?
Post by: NeuroticFish on December 28, 2022, 08:06:53 PM
With all the assets you hold, how safe do you feel using google's services?

Some of the so called changes you've posted didn't actually change anything. No matter it's maps.google.com or google.com/maps, internally they were still able to share your info between their various services.
And it's known that this is not good for privacy. Some accept that, some don't. However, your topic comes late. You may want to start reading into #DeGoogle - Take back control of your privacy (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5247817.0) which is a topic here on bitcointalk, discussing exactly this, just it does it in 2020.


PS. The OTP app is the easiest to replace. I recommend Aegis Authenticator.


Title: Re: How do you feel about google services?
Post by: mk4 on December 28, 2022, 08:09:43 PM
Simply don't use the stock operating system of your android device. Custom ROMs where privacy is far enhanced exists(e.g. LineageOS, GrapheneOS) — though unfortunately not for every Android device; as they're mostly for commonly-used/bought Android devices.

If you're interested: https://www.privacytools.io/android-alternatives

I personally use an iPhone device though. While definitely not perfect, it's at least slightly better than stock Android when it comes to privacy. I used to use custom ROMs(and heavily customize my phone and OS all the time) on Android devices in the past, but today I couldn't afford my phone to have bugs even if rarely.


Title: Re: How do you feel about google services?
Post by: Charles-Tim on December 28, 2022, 08:20:01 PM
Not as issue for those who use computer but newbie who get into crypto, the majority of them create their first wallet on their smartphone.
If the wallet app do not popup or bring out virtual keyboard, better not to use that kind of wallet, be it on mobile phones or computers.

With all the assets you hold, how safe do you feel using google's services?
No privacy while using google services.

I will recommend PC using Linux.

But as for mobile phone, you can get a cheap one, you do not have to sign in during the phone setup before you can make the phone work, but you will just have no access to google services, like google play store, email etc. You can get yourself a very cheap mobile phone for that.

Some people will advice you to use a kind of phone that can use another OS other than android and iOS, that are
 open source.


Title: Re: How do you feel about google services?
Post by: tjtonmoy on December 28, 2022, 08:30:19 PM
You may want to start reading into #DeGoogle - Take back control of your privacy (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5247817.0) which is a topic here on bitcointalk, discussing exactly this, just it does it in 2020.
Many things have changed in past 2 years. Do you think they haven't updated their TOS and privacy policy? I want to get the latest news, not one from 2020.
There are good if not the best possible ways are explained in that post, but do they still provide you the same as they did in 2020? I am just curious about the new things they are doing and what it might do to our privacy. No offense.

If we would continue without taking that topic into account, this one may end up with nothing new, or the new things spread out between pieces already discussed in 2020.

Well if nothing comes up here that's new then I will delete this for sure.   ;D


Title: Re: How do you feel about google services?
Post by: Mr.right85 on December 28, 2022, 08:46:38 PM
Some of the so called changes you've posted didn't actually change anything. No matter it's maps.google.com or google.com/maps, internally they were still able to share your info between their various services.
That's the point to it, nothing is changed. If you've be using the service or there services, they still remain the providers here.
There are always chances of compromises which ever service you use and that still haven't stopped anyone from using them. Not to mention, your location is often not accessed less you have it turned on.
Google provides mailing services too, how so do you expect them not have data or have OTP come through them when in fact, your using that service. It's what you provided for a 2FA (email/phone number) depending on the available that the service goes to.


Title: Re: How do you feel about google services?
Post by: NeuroticFish on December 28, 2022, 08:48:10 PM
Do you think they haven't updated their TOS and privacy policy? I want to get the latest news, not one from 2020.

They may have been changing their ToS, but not their ways of working, or at least not significantly.
I've suggested that topic in order to have a good start without the need to discuss once again what was discussed back then, instead continue, hence add what's new.
If we would continue without taking that topic into account, this one may end up with nothing new, or the new things spread out between pieces already discussed in 2020.

Of course, I can only suggest/give information. It's a free world, a free forum and you can really do as you wish.


Title: Re: How do you feel about google services?
Post by: libert19 on December 29, 2022, 01:31:37 AM
To use particular product(s) or not is person's preference. Anyhow, if you really want to get rid of Google then you may flash custom roms, but then again rooting your device to flash roms makes it vulnerable.

If you got finances, move over to apple. Perfect? No. Safer? Yes.


Title: Re: How do you feel about google services?
Post by: jrrsparkles on December 29, 2022, 02:45:16 PM
As we all know, Google is a massive tech giant company. Except for those who use iPhone, people who are using android they are getting support from Google and their operating system. How safe do you feel while using it?
Recently, Google has changed their map services from maps.google.com to google.com/map
https://i.postimg.cc/R0HKnqJ7/screenshot-69.png
So now google can access your location not only on map, but you are providing the location to all google related apps while using only one app.
Writing your seed phrase using google keyboard has been an issue in the past, as it can auto complete your next word from seed phrase if you write it once.
Not as issue for those who use computer but newbie who get into crypto, the majority of them create their first wallet on their smartphone.
Now, google implementing this location sharing service with all the app can lead to some problems.
And also OTP (One Time Password) to set up your many crypto related accounts comes to Google's message app.
They know your email, they have access to your OTP, and now they also know your location.
If one can get hold of this information, then you are really in a big trouble. They can literally bypass your security through this.
What should be the best way to prevent this?
We all know that google has a very good security and privacy policy to store user's data. But it is not impossible to get hacked. Everything on the internet is vulnerable. I have said it in the past, and I will say it here again. Nothing is impossible if the right person chooses to do it.
With all the assets you hold, how safe do you feel using google's services?
Well, you're not entirely right because many of the wallets for Android are providing virtual keyboard it means the keyboard service provider can't access anything since you're trying the seeds shown in the virtual keyboard which is completely random as far as I know. But if they use Google or any keyboard which tracks your trying data surely can have your private seeds do its time for the wallet providers to upgrade their security like virtual keyboard while entering seeds at the time of wallet creation.