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As bitcoin continues on its current bullish path, all kinds of people are trying to ride this wave by buying any cheap coins they can get their hands on as they anticipate the next High to come. But the scary part about this is that Big money is also flowing into the crypto economy that will push price to easily register new highs, but this comes at a price, when these whales decide to take out their money.. markets bleed red which is why Big money is not good if volatility is to be controlled. In the long run Bitcoin is better off without the Big money, otherwise this becomes like a pyramid scheme always leaving the last man standing with empty pockets as the first guy to make a move gets all the accumulated $$$$.

What's the community's take on this?

We're not all selling at the same time though? People get greedy, when big money enters the space, big money gets greedy too.

If big money enters the space, lots of people will either sell or buy off that news. No one with a large investment will sell it on the open market all at once unless they've got a vendetta because it'll mean they've made a loss from what they could've made.

There's a lot of people who hold the coin because they don't understand the technology, don't understand the markets or because they're worried they'll never be able to buy for the price they sold at. When big money enters the cryptospace I think a lot more derivatives and lending will be done between players so they can stay invested or they'll only come with tiny parts of their portfolios to gain the maximum exposure with the minimum risk.

That's part of the market. When the scenario seems to be favourable whales entering the market with big money is quite common. When the market is on the bullish part it is good to just enjoy the trend than going in depth analysis and miss opportunities. If the market gets manipulated by the whales we should have the ability to hold, because the market that's been manipulated will bounce back at some point.

Of course, in this case, people's opinions will differ.
In my opinion, in this case, mental strength is needed, in fact, if you want to
invest in bitcoin, don't be afraid as long as we are mentally strong, because the more capital invested in bitcoin, the greater the profit that. so before investing in bitcoin you have to be mentally strong first. and be prepared to take risks.
so in my opinion if investing in bitcoin and for the long term, I think it will be safe, because bitcoin is not an altcoin.

in my opinion don't think too much about  WHALE, because the one who will win is the one who can withstand it.

All this complaints about whales and big money — it works almost the same exact way with any other markets. You can't have a market where it's all 100% retail investors with small-mid amounts of money; especially when talking about bitcoin — something that's supposed to be more distributed.

Everyone has the right and freedom to buy, own, or sell bitcoin. Whether you like it or not. The market will continue to work normally, by being moved by typical buy/sell offers and executions.

ARK and blackrock had fingers in the sub prime mortgage chaos that caused the 2008 crisis..
.. anymore need to be said

What the hell you're talking about, a whale who hold 1,000 Bitcoin in his own wallet wouldn't sold all of his 1,000 Bitcoin when Bitcoin price already increase, actually if there are 1,000 retailers who hold 1 Bitcoin in their wallet, how you can make sure those 1,000 retailers wouldn't sell their Bitcoin at the same time?

When someone buy Bitcoin it doesn't mean Bitcoin price will increase and when someone sold Bitcoin it doesn't mean Bitcoin price will decrease, it depends on the market. If the market are scared because there's huge Bitcoin transfer, actually it's stupid and no any relation with Bitcoin will dump.

Then what do you expect? with a small market capitalization you will get nothing but stability and calm but no price increases so the market is not in any position bearish or bullish. Big money is needed to move the market both up and down it is important we understand the action to be taken when it goes down or when it starts to go up.

Bitcoin is based on ideals of freedom, if the whales want to buy massive amounts of bitcoin no one can stop them, it is undeniable the more popular bitcoin gets and the more bitcoin is bought by the whales that it becomes easier for them to manipulate this market to their convenience.

But it is not as if they are not doing the same on every other market, and we have whales already anyway, as the early adopters managed to collect a massive amount of bitcoin and they can manipulate the market too.

I'm a bit doubtful about your claims.
What you call "Big Money" or the whales usually have a better understanding of the market or in other words you can't categorize then as "weak hands". This means they won't pull out of the market in any way that could cause a big drop. Same way they don't enter it in a way to cause a big rise. This is why we see accumulation phases where price is low but the "Big Money" is buying in while everyone else is ignorant.

What has always caused the big jumps and big dumps been weak hands who panic sell and panic buy into bitcoin whenever they see price already reaching a certain level. This is why we still don't see them buy back the bitcoin they sold at lower prices despite the bullish momentum. They probably buy back after $30k is broken at a panic just like how they panicked and sold their bitcoin below $20k.

Whales, or those who own a large amount of bitcoin, are not in the same mind as others, some of whom may sell and others who will hold for longer. This has also happened in the past when bitcoin reached new highs, others sold off, and the price fell. It is not only in bitcoin but all in the market; this is the cycle, and why are you scared? It was the opposite: those who left behind or continued holding are the stronger hands, as they continued holding no matter what, unlike those who sold earlier, and for sure they will be buying again.

That's how the financial markets work. If you are against the way financial markets work, just don't bother and pick another job or hobby.
Can you figure out a way to stop "big money" from buying BTC and entering the Bitcoin market? I don't think so.
Bitcoin would've been way more boring and uninteresting for the vast majority of the traders/investors, if the price was less volatile and there weren't any "big money" in the game of crypto trading.
The stock markets also have a bunch of whales, who are buying low and selling high(and they are probably manipulating the prices). I don't see anyone complaining about the stock market whales.
If you are a crypto trader and you are failing at timing the crypto market, you should blame yourself, not the crypto whales.

OP, why do you single out Bitcoin for this?

"Big Money" are bad for all financial markets, because those large speculators influence all financial products, for example (Stocks / Shares / Forex trading / Maize prices.. etc.)

So, this will be a problem ..no matter if you implement "Proof of Work" or "Proof of Stake" .... or trading on Nasdaq or any other financial platform... the rich will manipulate the markets.  ::)

I like the opposite of your idea, when a large amount of money is pushed into the market, the market will have strong fluctuations from which there is a chance to make more profits. In addition, we want bitcoin to grow and become big and solid, we need a large amount of money because small amounts only make the market slow and more difficult to develop. I understand what you are trying to say is moving towards a stable, sustainable market, but bitcoin is still a manipulated market, and it is still a game, there are winners and losers.

You can't consider Bitcoin market with other cryptocurrencies because Bitcoin in decentralized other s where centralized which also indicates that when Bitcoin rises others may fall, just as we are experiencing now as Bitcoin surges while other currencies aren't to that extent.


It is good for you not to compare other crypto market price determination process with that of Bitcoin, if you can listen well to what PoW states and it's difference from PoS then you wouldn't compromise the two together as the same, there's no price manipulation in Bitcoin, it's price majors on demand and supply rate.

It can only be bad if they sell. They however have to hold thier horses because if the whales sell, the other whales might just buy them all up. We have gone this low already and more whales would grab more of BTC.  This is the time in BTC when investors had to look at it for the long term.

I think the market will push the price way up and the correction isn't so bad that it will continue to rise til the end of the year.

This is a market where profits are made from trading, so I don't see a problem when large amounts of money are injected into the market. Even if there is a large amount of bitcoin being dumped, as long as someone buys it back, there will be no problem. Bitcoin would be really problematic without liquidity, but as long as there are transactions going on, it has never been an issue for it to have a large or small amount of money pushed into the market. I even like when the market is pumped a lot of money into the market because then there will be hype that makes it easy for us to make a profit.

If the market is going down and people are thinking about buying altcoins instead of buying bitcoins, they probably won't be as lucky if they buy bitcoin.
That is because after that market crash, the price of bitcoins will start to increase again and that's where people can see the amount of profit they will get.
The whales will also see it as an advantage they can use to buy bitcoins with their money.
For this reason, if you don't want to miss moments like that, you need to follow what the whales are doing so that you can have or add to the number of bitcoins you have.
But big money is not always good for the market because it could be that big money is a collection of many people trying to buy bitcoin at one or several bitcoin prices.

Isn't it that is the basic tenant of investing specially in a asset like crypto, you should ride the wave in either direction. Or it really depends on how you look at your investment. For long term investors, which I think is the majority here, they are not bother with this short burst of run just like what we are seeing right now.

So I don't think that it's bad to see this kind of money flowing to bitcoin and crypto in general. You have to remember that we have this bullish and bearish cycle, and it's up to you how you going to take advantage of it, regardless on how big the money is entering.

The community's take on the role of large investors in the cryptocurrency market can vary. Some argue that the influx of big money can drive up prices and create a speculative bubble, while others argue that it brings legitimacy and stability to the market. Additionally, some believe that large investors can have a negative impact on the market by using their significant resources to manipulate prices, while others believe that they can help to increase liquidity and improve the overall health of the market. Ultimately, the impact of large investors in the cryptocurrency market will depend on the specific actions of these investors and the regulatory environment in which they operate.

You cannot control volatility, whether we like it or not, it's there to stay forever and will move markets in the most unexpected ways that it can. I don't think that whether there is you call big or small money, they're all same.

They all end up inside the economy and circulates within it and thus, the market is living through it.

I understand that this is for all of us and we want it to be limited to us but bitcoin is for all, that's why it's free and we've got freedom. Institutions are gonna join no matter what happens and we've thought of it even before that someday they'll come and invest with us.

Big money can move the market with supply and demand from traders trading, so this can make the price move. If there is only a small amount of money, the market will not move and the price can be stable until who knows when. With that big money, there will also be buyers and sellers who want to make a profit.

And if the market is bleeding out, big money will come into the market trying to lift the price back up to normal or even to a higher price point, and we have seen that happen at the last ATH. So the last person standing in the market can also benefit if he can take advantage of the market situation but most of the people in the market are just a bunch of panicked people seeing the price start to move up or down.

It's same money that also drive high the bitcoin price, without liquidity I don't think anyone will find it pleasing to invest their money into crypto currency. So to me if you wanna engage yourself with buying of currencies then you should only look out to the reputable coin which you know after market drop or dip there will be possibility for those coin to get their feet back from where it's.

I think this is normal in the market. not even just in bitcoin or crypto market. In fact, everyone has the same opportunity, namely choosing to buy from a low price or waiting to buy when the price starts to rise. I think that the presence of the whales has brought quite a positive movement. for example if there is positive news about a large company informing them that they will start investing in bitcoin then of course the company will invest a large amount. and news like this will impact the confidence of small traders to come in. However, people who have intelligent fundamental analysis will of course buy without having to wait for big companies or whales to enter. This is the economic cycle that usually occurs in our daily lives.

Volatility in the crypto market is normal because based on buying and selling and supply and demand for bitcoin, every retail and institutional investor or whale has the freedom to buy whatever bitcoin they want until the balance on the exchange runs out. people who want to buy.
Bullish and Bearish are cycles in bitcoin and they cannot be separated from the market, that's why bitcoin attracts the attention of investors to buy bitcoin and determine when to buy it.
You may understand why bitcoiners always say Buy the Dip and Hold, I personally see that as a signal for bitcoin investors.
The pyramid scheme is that if you are the last buyer, maybe you will lose money forever, unlike bitcoin, there will always be price recovery with cycles and you just have to wait for the recovery.

I have put a pause to buy any coins right now including Bitcoin, I am tempted to buy some but I don't see myself doing it, buying because the market is recovering is pretty bad, it's not as if there will never be any correction again it's better to wait for that correction because sooner or later it will happen, there is one thing I can assure you in this crypto space, volatility is inescapable.

In the bear market, there were repeated cases when, after such purchases, the price of bitcoin and the market did not react in any way. In addition, there were cases when MicroStrategi bought bitcoins for a large amount and the price continued to fall after that. So there is no direct correlation in this.

I assume that the big players had to gain positions, this takes time and just this long flat may have been their final phase. And now that their goal has been achieved, growth has followed.

There's nothing wrong with buying when it's cheap and selling when it's priced the way it is today is a trader's routine. If the positive trend continues, then those with a lot of money will endeavour to place orders at bargain or under prices. This is where the intelligence of market participants in capitalising on opportunities lies. I think that is market activity in accordance with the theory of buying and selling and such occurrences are normal.

For those who don't have a lot of money but have a positive view on Bitcoin for the next few years so they want to own Bitcoin, I think buying at the current price will also be done considering the current price is still very far from the past ATH price.

Would be better. It will never be too late to invest. Enter once you are ready 'coz no matter how low you are able to enter the market, if you cannot withstand or endure the market price changes, no profit will be earned. The market value won't continuously increase therefore there will be intervals of downfall in each pump. You task as an investor is to ideally be able to hold and measure the risk of selling at a certain price point. Also investing more won't always determine bigger profit. It will depend on your decision making, capability as an investor, and circumstances you are going through ofcourse. Investment will always have its own risk and no such thing as easy profit exist.

Aren't we all wanted Bitcoin market to surge so that we can sell at a profit?  The higher the price the better it is.   But market always even out surges so it is normal for a surging market to have corrections.


Volatility makes the market interesting and attract lots of speculators and investors.  A bleeding market gives opportunity for new comers to enter the market and at the same time traders to re-enter their position.  If the price of Bitcoin is ever increasing, I doubt people will participate again after they cashed out their profit.  This huge money entering and leaving somehow create a cyclic trend for Bitcoin and I believe it is good for the ecosystem since there is a point of entry, exit, and re-entry.

Bitcoin will never be a Ponzi scheme regardless big money enters or not.  Remember Bitcoin is not controlled by a company and it is in the open market, meaning the price is dictated by supply and demand.  If you label Bitcoin as a Ponzi scheme then even selling a pencil for a higher price to get profit can be considered Ponzi scheme and all those stocks too.


I don't think big money entering and leaving the Bitcoin market is a bad thing. Actually it makes the market more interesting and active.

Well first of all big money will not enter until regulations are not clear, for now, the biggest players are CEX exchanges and mining companies. If you want to buy right now let's say 15000 bitcoins - I think you can't do it, why because there is no such amount on the market right now.

I do not think that we all wanted it to go up so we can sell higher. Technically speaking that's true, but I am not really after it going up just a bit, I want to wait until it is at least x10 higher, probably even more before I sell. Which means that these small drops and increases do not matter to me.

It could go up 5k dollars today and it could go down 5k dollars and it would both be the same thing to me. Not because it means the same thing for the market, of course the market reacts differently, but it is the same thing to me personally. This is why we do not all want the same thing from bitcoin at the same time, we all want different things from it.

This is the natural scenario in trading even on stock market or crypto trading. Big money is not the problem but rather the hype without any solid reason is what makes this kind of rally a fake out. Big money from whales helps Bitcoin price to grow further. They will not take profit if they saw that the price is continuously increasing. Their exit will not be noticeable if new trader will enter to catch there position.

The only problem was when everyone panic and afraid to buy. Not only big money but also retail traders are the one who’s dumping the price hard.

The market price isn't affected by the buying and selling of btc by whales, It is being affected by demand and supply. If whales sell off,someone else might have bought their coins. What I understand is that trading must go on in the crpto market,either if bitcoin is in his bullish or bearish time. A whale sells and some other investor buys from the whale,bitcoin just keep on moving from one hand to the other depending whoever needs it as an assets. The crptomarket cannot be easily manipulated by the whales if every investor keeps their btc in their custody. Whales will hold at the bull market and sell at the bear,if am not mistaken

First do not think that  bitcoin is a pyramid scheme. And if you think that way, you can buy at the bottom and be the one who will take the profit when the prices are high.

I too agree that bitcoin volatility should be decreased but for that to happen, bitcoin needs to be divided among more people. As bitcoin adoption will increase, they will help to decrease the bitcoin price volatility.

That's how the markets work. But how do you define big money. Is it institutional, corporate or bitcoin whales?

And how this would be better without big money? It would be even more volatile without whale money, big enoough market makers as buy and sell walls were too thin causing insane wicks. We would get back to early days when all it needed was one rich enough guy to organize pump & dumps and manipulating the price.
No. Money is the thing keeping this running and keeping investors happy. Things were looking kinda bleak with small marketcaps. When just one anon dev could pump their coin to top marketcap and then rug it. We have been there. It wasn't better.

Well, you decide whether it's bad for bitcoin when Elon Musk did sell off all of his BTC during the bull run but switched to altcoins. It did manage to make a huge drop of the price but it still manage to recover somehow. If all of these people like Elon Musk/Whales do the same method it will somehow drop the price but that's it with basic knowledge of economics you will surely know that they won't get the same amount on every BTC they have.

Bitcoin price will drop everytime when there's a buyout but I wonder who would take the loss when the price hit the ATH.

The time to buy this shitcoin is long gone, whether big money comes in or leaves bitcoins is a whale play since a long fucking time. No retail buys this shit for 20k or more.

All the retail cares about is to make 5-10xes on their doggy coin and get out.

Unless you doing something illegal and want immutability there isnt even a point of taking profit into BTC cos this shit is:

Not a hedge against inflation

Not a store of value

Not a payment system


You can hate this all you want but that won't make it untrue.

The good thing about the huge drop in price is that we are able to buy Bitcoin at a discount, and those who wanted to enter the market can have more BTC since it is cheaper.  The huge drop in price is also used as a window for re-entry. So the moment big money leaves (some people selling and exiting) more people are able to come in ( new investors and re-entering traders.


Naive investors and those who were greatly affected by hype will enter the market at ATH, but I believe no one will lose unless they sell the BTC the moment the Bitcoin market plummets.

Bitcoin is an open-source investment strategy. Anybody can choose to invest how much he feels like, whether big or small money depending on the amount he can risk.

The influx of big money in bitcoin is what controls its volatility. By the way, any financial institute needs big money to control it, and so does our crypto investment.

The whales we have in crypto can't sell off their bitcoin at the same time. Some can sell, while others will choose to hodl more and acquire more until when they feel like selling theirs. Bitcoin investment is about hodling and selling on your own time(profit). Not minding whether it affects the market or not. Inasmuch I can say towards bitcoin investment, nobody will tend to hodl their bitcoin forever.

 

Everybody has a different target price for selling Bitcoin at different price rates. In the bullish era, many people are willing to sell Bitcoin. And we should not worry about this because it has happened several times. The cycle is there will be always people who are taking profits from trading during the bullish, too. So, the market will not be really as complicated as it is. I know your worries about the amount that people are holding and waiting for the bullish era. If the bullish era comes and many more people are going to sell their Bitcoin, do you feel worried that the price will crash soon because the supply is higher than the demand? It is normal to think like this. But once more, there are not only investors in the Bitcoin market but also traders that are having more activities in the market. Bitcoin traders will always have their time even during the bearish and bullish eras. So, there will be always the demand rising up as long as the bullish era still continuing. But once more, if we want to make any anticipation, it is better to sell our Bitcoin several times, at several targets of the price, and with certain wisdom not to be greedy.

Agreed, to take good position and stay strong similar to mainstream currency in the market there is need of bitcoin to lower its volatility. Same time it is to be noted that majority of the cryptocurrency users were much used with the volatility and love it. This large volatility in the market makes the market so risky, yet the same is enjoyed as people were able to book good profit at times when the prediction coincides well with the reality of the market.

That is a good example of big money and its impact in bitcoin market. As we can see, on short term on that currently moment it was revolting and shocking the fact Elon Musk attempted to manipulate the market and consequently lead it to a crash. But thinking about that now, it doesn't impact investors anymore, because the storm can't last forever. Bitcoin has recovered a little bit already and we are in another stage at this time.

So, there is not reason to fear big money coming in. Its impact will be always on short term only. Investors who aim holding for years won't be affected in anyway by big players' schemes and manipulative strategies.

If whales take profit, it's their right, we can't stop them. Besides, that is also the reason why we're investing isn't it? To profit. Because investing in Bitcoin is not only limited to average joe. If you can invest huge amount of money and willing to risk it then that depends on you.

Moreover every market situation is an opportunity for us to take advantage, you just need to timing the market for your own benefit. Big money is not bad since it can influence the price to move upward/downward, and that's the nature of investing in Bitcoin so be used to it, a high volatile speculative asset.

Of course everyone has different opinions, some say using big money to invest in bitcoin in the long term is a big loss, because for most people who don't believe in bitcoin they think bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies are not investments but they value all it is speculation, even some people prefer stock investment, because they consider stocks to be the most profitable asset class, in aggregate and in the long term more than property, but whatever the reason people think I personally am more interested in using my big money to invest in bitcoin long term, because I've seen long-term statistics that are definitely very profitable, I myself have felt and enjoyed the results of the long-term investments that I invested 3 years ago, the important thing in making long-term investments is not to be too emotional,

According to me it depends on individual's own desire for long term investment requires durability, the longer the durability the longer it will wait. Better to invest in bitcoins here the chances of major losses are low bitcoin's fundamental background is still positive for now and we are counting on it. Interestingly, this situation can have a domino effect that will rise above bitcoin no matter how bad the situation is now we can expect bigger results.

Big money will bring interest from investors large and small as they will see that bitcoin has become more popular and if they don't join soon, they will be left behind to profit from bitcoin. We can also get profits like the whales, but we also have to know when to leave the game so that we don't suffer losses when the whales also leave the game. And if we can take advantage of the opportunities in the market, we can get that advantage.

Unfortunately for now dumping is normally happen but I don't really think the scenario where all of whales will dump at the same time together. For sure other whales will catch those dumps and earn on next high if other will dump it. We shouldn't worry about those situation since to many times bitcoin prove a good run. The only thing need to be taken care or worth to give some attention is Bitcoin reaching its all time high and it dumps which also go to long bearish situation since this could avoid us from losses and can possibly give us profits.

In contrast, I like the volatility of bitcoin, I think that the more volatile bitcoin becomes, the more profit I will be able to make. I know that Satoshi's goal is to create a currency, not an investment, but I think bitcoin is more suited as an asset, an investment, than a currency. I also believe most people are here for the volatility and returns bitcoin brings, not the technology. It would be tasteless if bitcoin became as stable as gold or other traditional assets.

I agree with you that without the big money in the crypto world the prices would be much more stable and be more attractive for people looking for a save way to store money. The last big  bitcoin rally showed us how fast and high the prices could rise when there are a big investors like Elon Musk trying to influence the bitcoin market. To a certain extent it is good to get the publicity for the crypto community, as we still need more people to get involved with it. By now everybody has earned of bitcoins and so many more companies are willing to accept bitcoin as a form of payment. The problem is of course that we can't deny anybody access to bitcoins and other crypto currencies. If some rich investors want to diversify their portfolio with cryptos than there isn't much we can do about it. Same goes for the traders who are only looking for a short term profit, they will buy what ever project that seems the most profitable to them.

This is why it is crucial to invest in Bitcoin especially when the market has dipped during the severe bear market but some people still don't seem to understand this, they will only want to invest when the market has reversed but I can't really say this is were the market is now. That said, Bitcoin has turned into more of an Investment asset hence the volatility is appreciated but as I said, you can only see gains to this if you invested early regardless of Big money.

It is not guaranteed that buying cheap coins can get profits as expected even though each coin follows the Bitcoin trend. Coins such as Ethereum and BNB may still be able to pin their hopes. From various experiences while being active in the crypto space, I think that having a large amount of money is always better if it is focused on buying Bitcoin which is safer as an investment than other coins.

Big money is not good for Bitcoin! How?? OP, how much will you refer to as "big money" into Bitcoin? 

I realize that some people get greedy in times of investment because of the profit they expect to get from it, but what you must know is that what seems like a lot of money to Mr. A is just the money Mr. B will use to change his wardrobe 👺.

I can agree that some people may invest a huge amount so that they can take an early profit from the market volatility, but when the market turns red, they begin to regret and blame themselves or someone that had their support, but some other people may not feel any regret even if the market falls, not because they didn't put in a huge amount of money, but because they never got greedy enough to invest everything they had into Bitcoin and because they had good financial management skills.

To crown it all, 0.5 bitcoin is a lot of money for someone, but 2 bitcoin is not a lot of money for another person. 5 bitcoin is a lot of money for someone, but 20 bitcoin is something less for another person. 

There is ongoing debate in the cryptocurrency community about whether or not large amounts of money flowing into Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies is good or bad for the long-term success of these currencies.

On one hand, large amounts of money can provide liquidity and stability to the market, making it easier for individuals and organizations to buy and sell Bitcoin. This can also lead to increased adoption and mainstream acceptance of the cryptocurrency.

On the other hand, some argue that large amounts of money can lead to market manipulation and volatility, making it more difficult for individual investors to participate in the market. Additionally, as big players may have different motivations and could be subject to different regulations, it could lead to increased scrutiny and regulatory pressure on the cryptocurrency market.

It's important to note that the cryptocurrency market is still relatively new and uncertain, and it is difficult to predict how it will evolve in the future. It's always important to do your own research and consult with financial professionals before investing in any cryptocurrency.

A friend of me told me that thing as well as time passes by new projects become like a modern pyramid scams, we can take example to those nft p2e who runs last 2021, it gives many people hope and people who doesn't know crypto tend to be proud that they knew all things in crypto just only because they are going with the flow of the hype, when many p2e turns into scam and turns into a failed project only recruiting and referral money can save their day because it is no longer sustainable, I just hope they really understand this technology.

Altcoins are more or less a gamble and anyone injecting huge capital into any of the hyped coins should be ready to cut edge as quickly as possible and more securely to cash out when the hype is at its highest with high market predictions and anticipations because the whales will definitely take them unaware and dump at the point the price is most exciting and everyone counting their gains and expecting more to come based on the false hopes and fake and sustainable market volume of that shitcoins.

In my opinion, it is the best thing to do with big money coming in, because with big money coming in it will provide the maximum profit for people who buy at the lowest price, so having big money coming in will give a good pump.
and that investment is for all people, namely for the poor as well as the rich. and those who make the mistake are people who don't want to buy when the price drops.

There's no way to stopping this behavior, it will continue to happen. But that's fine.

It's part of how Bitcoin price moves, lots of noise in the short term, but a clear signal that over time it continues to go up in value, slowly but surely.

In fact, this can be called business competition in investment, but this competition is healthy competition, between people who have a lot of money and people who have little money. but in my opinion in this case there is no need to discuss in depth because the most important thing is that we have to have a strategy in investing in order to continue to benefit. So in my opinion, in investing in bitcoin, we compete with strategies and people who are smart will definitely win, because rich people also lose their strategy, they will definitely experience losses, even the losses will be even greater.

Personally I don't think the world is actually ready for the moon that's coming.

Wen crypto for Apple Pay? Mass Adoption central right there.

any risk-on assets including traditional blue chip stocks always has its whales so it is very naive to think that bitcoin or any other risk asset you can think of won't have any whales. if this bothers you then dont invest in risk assets stick with something safer like bonds or treasuries.

The crypto market, with a capitalization of around 2 Trillion, which is far below, when we compare it to Gold and stock markets, is considered to have room for further growth and investment by many analysts.The general view of community is that entry of more  money into crypto market will bring more stability & legitimacy to crypto market, which will drive more growth and adoption. This could also lead to reduction in manipulation, as the base of holders will become wider.

if the incoming big money is spread among various investors, then there is no need to worry about that. because there is no monopoly on one holder. This is different from most of the newer altcoins, where monopoly of the market occurs. or even planned for a manipulation scheme, like a doge who previously heard the news widely and finally, after being satisfied, left the market to get a fantastic profit, of course

The bigger the market, the more stable it is, and the volatility are also greatly reduced, so those who have the opportunity to know the market as early as now, have a great opportunity. We should make the most of it for the best profit before the market becomes stable. I understand what OP is afraid of, but let's look on the bright side when there is big money flowing into the market is a good opportunity to make bigger profits.

Whether we like it or not, the market is free, and big and small money can come in and out from it. And that's why if there are huge players coming into the market, the demand rises and they're one of the factors as to why the price of bitcoin goes up.
We're just in the middle of it and just have to adapt the changes whatever they are. It's not actually bad if big money comes in, we all like it and that's inevitable, no matter what happens, there will be new comers that shall take part in the market.

Isn't it obvious? Those who invest, they do it for the profit. The price is low, they buy, the price goes up, they will take their profit. Most of the people don't invest in crypto currencies to use it as a regular currency. They use to for the money they can make. It's like buying gold right now. People aren't buying gold to use it is a medium of exchange, they use it to sell it later. And if you look at the market, you will notice that it has always been like this. Once the price starts going up, eventually the correction phase takes place and the price drops.

I see your point and I also have the same idea before that those who are pumping or investing a huge amount while the price is low would pull out when the price gets high,
But I found out that it doesn't really matter if they suddenly decides to pull out as long as there are people who are also eager to buy in on the time that those whale decides to sell.
The market would bleed if mahority of the investor's decide the same thing or they follow that wave but what if they counter it and instead of selling people would buy in?

I don't think that the current Bitcoin's upward trend is related to 'whales' pouring their money in. This is a spontaneous FOMO process, triggered possibly by a lot of things, such as the prognosis of recovery of the EU economy, stabilization of the USD inflation, hopes for a better year than the one we had, and maybe even El Salvador's Miss Universe candidate wearing a Bitcoin-themed costume. Bitcoin isn't manipulated by whales, and while a bearing market tends to follow a bullish market, it happens with or without big investors, and the lowest price Bitcoin goes down to keeps getting bigger every year. It's three steps forward and two steps back, but that one step forward that remains each time is enough for progress.

With my experience i see that Diamond hand holders will win at the end and we know any manipulation is temporary or some time a trap for new users to take wrong decision and get trapped , So at the time whales are playing with our minds and trading is like a fight between mentalities so who can control his decision will not lose money and not get in the trap of big market players ( BIG MONEY) .

Remember that if you see a quick pump in the market, this could be a sign of institutional investment or the manipulation of a huge amount of money. If whales plan, there is a good possibility that the market will crash when they sell everything. However, if the investment originates from institutional investors, it won't be as simple to dump. On the most recent bull run, we saw how Bitcoin was vigorously pushed without a significant drop. However, the market begins to crash when investors cash out their funds. Therefore, we must watch the market to see how it responds. Big money never hurts the market. You must be aware of the situation.

No matter how much we curse the big money, but the truth is there is no market without big money. Even stock markets have high volumes of big money in form of FII and other institutional investors, in bitcoin these are generally termed as whales. In bitcoin this is much more controlled by the whales as the market is too cyclic right now but as more and more retail accumulation will kick in things will surely get better somewhat like the stock market only.

I do tell people that investing in altcoins should have a limit because many of these altcoin projects are mainly for the purpose of becoming rich where invest would be anticipating on the market going for a bullish run while the CEOs of those projects are living a lavish lifestyle.
I have seen many of these projects that had ended up becoming a rug pull because of the carelessness of the team behind it. They can easily start another project even with investors knowing after the first projects crashes.

 Whether the name of the team of a particular crypto project is know or not it can ended up becoming a rug pull for investors while the team go away with the dollar bag.

In order to grow bigger and bigger, not only we will need those whales so that they can buy it at a very high price, but we are going to need it because it will take a while before we could get some "bribery" situation going on in the governments. After all, these wall street types got richer by allowing the politicians to protect them, they give them some money and in return the government lets them do whatever, basically making it unfair for regular people. In this situation, it will be for bitcoin and that's why its going to be different and we are going to see a lot of changes and it will help us as well.

The positions of the whales are too large for anyone to influence them. Even though the supply of bitcoin is constantly decreasing on the exchanges, and this tells us that it is being accumulated on cold wallets, and this is most likely done by the same big players. Unlike the stock market, the cryptocurrency market is still highly manipulated, which is why it is so attractive to whales.

Where there are profits, there will be sharks, we will never be able to stop them. They need money just like us, and i don't see any harm in having whales involved, it will make the game more interesting with the significant volatility made out of them.


I totally agree, the crypto market is being manipulated by big players, not by supply and demand. This is easy to see, but many people deliberately do not accept this fact, they still think that bitcoin fluctuates due to supply and demand. I believe that cryptocurrency is where many big players gather in the market because it is an open market without any regulation. They will freely manipulate without fear of legal sanctions like the stock market or foreign exchange.

I remember what happens in 2021, people got rug pull by this token "Squid Game". Scammers were so strategic because they know that the name of the token is so popular to all that's why they choose it. We all know that in order to earn profit, we have to know where do whales buy and to avoid to be a victim of their manipulation. Most people use to by a currency if the price is high but that's a very risky decision because people who buys at low price starts selling.

For more details: https://www.bbc.com/news/business-59129466

Depends on the whales that take out their money from the market. Whales who deserve the money they wish to withdraw will have higher impact on price than whales who don't deserve theirs. Not all money of thesame amount are equal,... 7 btc ≠ 7 btc. . 7btc earned honestly is higher.

Nevertheless, we shouldn't worry too much about whales as they have been pretty much tamed now. They will only have influence on the price if they are allowed.

They should buy Bitcoin and not any other cheap coins because Bitcoin is the first one that is showing a positive growth (not any other coins) and there is no guarantee that those other coins that they bought can follow. Maybe some of them invested in a shitcoin too because shitcoins can come in cheap prices. They are only created to give distractions and make people lose while those who created them are the ones who can only earn.

It's not only the whales that put's their money into the market but we also small retail investors so even if they pull out theirs, the price won't be affected badly and there is still a chance for it to increase.

Market manipulation is part of the market and people are much used to it. Over time people have learnt what is happening in the market and how to overcome such situations. In specific we used to see panic moments created by the whales and made use of the chance to make money. Now things were different as people knew what is happening and they just stay calm than reacting.

This particular point is what triggers me to make some point in trading section concerning not be dependable on the small increase or fraction of Bitcoin acceleration, so the market is not stagnant and we can't boast of constant green of Bitcoin because of little influencers who comes to the market, so therefore i believe that can fall at anytime and it's applicable to the increment, which it can rise without the expectations of investors.

I do not think huge money flowing in and flowing out of the market is  a bad thing.  I think it is a normal occurrence in a market.  Whales that bring huge amount of money brings demand to the coins making its price spike which by then create interest to most of the bystanders and making them to join the market because they FOMO.

Huge funds leaving the market because whales cash out is also not a bad thing, it gives a window for another batch of bystanders who wanted to join the market at a lower price, which can trigger market recovery and eventually turned into hype.  

So having a cycle like this is not bad for the market but instead, it gives life to it.

This is always happening. But the interesting thing is that when in the bullish era, there are also daily traders that will take profits every time they are going to do. So, this is also the reason why people commonly keep rising up in certain periods. I know that big amount of Bitcoin that is sold at once will influence the market to be not stable because of the need for the supply and demand imbalance, so this will cause dropped prices or market corrections. that is why what we need to do is to take the right time to sell our coins, whether it is based on some steps or all in selling. However, never think that this condition will be worse because we are too worried, the Bitcoin market will be always facing a bullish era although it is probably not a really long time to see this.

It seems that this part became normal especially for every cycle of the market, specifically in the cryptocurrency market.
As you can see, as time passed by, there are already a lot of cycles we experienced, which includes massive pumps and then after that a bloody market. I believe that there will be always a correction on the market, crypto or non crypto market.

There's always going to be daily traders that want to get more fiat (or Bitcoin) by moving back and forth. In reality the vast majority of them end up with less money in the end. Specially since they have to pay exchange fees and capital gains taxes, plus the time needed to track all that.

The thing is that you can consider all these movements as short term noise. They don't really impact the long term purchasing power of Bitcoin. That's determined by the fundamentals of it, and those haven't changed since genesis.

OP, I don't think you know what a pyramid scheme is. What you're describing is just the market. There's nothing wrong with big money getting bitcoin. What...do you want Bitcoin to no longer be an open global currency and you want to be able to restrict certain groups of people from owning it?!?!

Anyone who wants Bitcoin can own and use Bitcoin.

The market will move up or down as it does, there's nothing bad about it. Also, it's not like the price of Bitcoin hasn't bled red before lol. Every four years there is a giant crash, no big money investor selling their Bitcoin is going to do more then we have experienced numerous times already.

Someone like me also fell prey to such assumption back in the day. I bought anything that had "bit" or "bitcoin" to its name. How funny and idiotic that sound to me now, looking back. Well, we all get to learn our bitter lessons some day. I learnt mine within that time. As I type this now I believe there are some who will still fall for such even after reading this. This day I've come to realize that the best way to secure one's capital isn't to invest in any hyip or overhyped investment. Once I sight any desperation, I'm bolting. I've lost in many ways by trying to give projects the benefit of the doubt. This day, I peruse before investing.

This really depends on our ability to understand what is Bitcoin is not the really bad to invest a big amount of money in Bitcoin but the problem is that I said a new investor or investor that I have his parents for investment you need to at least know how much money you use for bitcoin investment not all what you have supposed to go into the investment at least you have to cut out some and where exactly your reserve money should be meant for investment

What give you the impression that the volatility of the Bitcoin market can be controlled?
If there's no inflow of Big money in the Bitcoin market do you think it will gain the attention of the Feds and institutional banking?
I believe the reason why you have this impression is that you don't want to accept the Cons of the market but you only want to welcome the Pros.

Never make the statement of Bitcoin becoming a pyramid scheme because the market competition was bound to happen when Bitcoin gains more traffic. Without the Big money, Bitcoin will never achieve its purpose not to talk about becoming the mainstream of payment.

I think at the end of the day it's not really that relevant if someone just buys a huge amount of Bitcoin with fiat.

The Bitcoin network will continue to generate another block on average in ten minutes, everything will continue working as usual.

Someone would simply have control of more Bitcoin. That's it.

The price might fluctuate, sure, but that's always going to happen anyway.

I think that's a good thing for the market, I simply think that if the market is to develop, the market is bigger, and it needs large capital. If there is no big money flow into the market, it will never be able to develop and grow. Bitcoin is becoming more and more popular, simply because it is invested in it by institutions, large investors, and countries, thereby creating confidence for smaller investors to enter the market. The more large institutions join, the more Bitcoin is built and more trust is created for more people.

You are right mate,and it is also good to understand that many people have lost heavily in the long dump run of bitcoin, but it's understandable to cope with the market in the bear period. My entire usdt which I've save close to two years from small minimal profits in trading, all got liquidated when I traded bitcoin with my futures account. It was a very sad day for me but I learnt my lessons and took back to my heel with full preventive cautious inother not to repeat my mistakes again.

Dude, that's a fair condition because all markets work like that.

Some people continue to have this assumption that the bitcoin market is unfair because the big money will get large share of the profits and allow the market to bleed when they get out. In fact, whales are selling in stages without wanting to spoil the huge profit potential they have, and we probably don't even notice.

I think of those assumptions as myths:

• Early adopters are unfairly rewarded (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5382044.msg59021066#post_Earlyadopters)
• It's a giant Ponzi scheme (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5382044.msg59021066#post_Itsagiant)
• Bitcoin is a pyramid scheme (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5382044.msg59021066#post_Bitcoinisapyramid)

When we are ignorant of Bitcoin investment it's when we do have discourage over investing in Bitcoin for long time run. Many people today who to billionaire purchased Bitcoin when the fraction was extremely low and today made a lot profit in 2017 and 2018/ 2019. So it's advisable to invest in Bitcoin and allow it to stay for years due to your expectations or target over the long term run of the investment. Everyone is aware that if their is life their is more profit towards bitcoin investment.

Yeah, I agree. The cryptocurrency community is divided on the impact of big money on the crypto market. Some believe that large investments can bring stability to the market, while others argue that it can lead to greater volatility and instability. Those who support big money argue that it provides the market with the necessary liquidity to grow and mature. On the other hand, those who are against it believe that large investments can easily manipulate the market and drive prices artificially high, leading to a bubble that will eventually burst.

The entire crypto community is cautious about the role of big money in the market. While some believe that it can provide the market with stability, others believe that it can lead to greater volatility and instability in the long run. The truth likely lies somewhere in between, and the market will continue to evolve as more people invest and more regulation is put in place.

I hear what you're saying here and there is certainly some truth to it, but without "big money" then there's likely no chance bitcoin will ever reach the highs that many of us are hoping for.  I think this just kind of comes with the territory and so rather than worry about it, it's probably best to just embrace it.  I guess it also depends on what type of "big money" we are talking about.  Big money also includes financial companies add bitcoin to their funds, and I think that's a big positive personally.

This is totally incorrect. Bitcoin is meant to provide liberty from these institutions by enabling an alternative payment network. The involvement of institutions is not good for Bitcoin nor its market in the long term, in fact it adds to bitcoins volatility. It might seem like a more money from big entities entering the market/ecosystem is a good thing, but it isn't...as it is certain that exit value will be multiplied and completely withdrawn at some point in the future. None of these entities are using Bitcoin for its purpose and I am sure all of them are using it to profit, which does not benefit ecosystem members who are using it for its purpose.

Absolutely.

Bitcoin can be used without any company.

I think the main issue is that a lot of people are used to have someone telling them what to do and guiding them along.

I can see that some banks and other financial institutions are now offering "Bitcoin services" by using a debit card connected with a Bitcoin account. That's just nonsense. You don't really need a bank to use Bitcoin, but I guess people feel the need to be held by a company somehow.

Agree it's not that bad. But many people entering market in a bad time regret a lot and just leve

According to me, the amount doesn’t matter. I don’t get the point what you are making us understand about the last man standing thing. Bitcoins are like assets, which you will pass onto people at comparatively high price. You buy the Bitcoins when they are low, and now you gonna sell them when the price increases. How does here you the amount of money invested practically matters? No one will left out at the end, as Bitcoins are limited in number, and it will become more valuable in the future. So just buy as many as you can and sell and get the profits.

the more days the bitcoins mined will be smaller so that the existing supply will also be increasingly limited, but the demand for them that continues to be unchanged is even more and more, which results in more requests than the existing availability, making prices uncontrollable and increasingly expensive.
although at any time the price of bitcoin can change due to movements made by the holder where if there are many bitcoins and there is no demand, the price will decrease. but if you have big capital that's the right time to keep buying and saving and when there is a lot of demand then the price will automatically increase and only then will you release it at a fantastic price.
agree with you that bitcoin will be increasingly valuable and can be worth beyond the expectations we expect.

I think the amount does matter.  It is that, I don't see big money pouring in Bitcoin market as bad.  It is an investment and brings liquidity to the market.  The bigger the fund getting into Bitcoin is, the more liquid Bitcoin is.  And I think we should not worry about the money leaving out of the Bitcoin market sytem. If it leaves it only means that there is a bigger funds coming in because it needs a bigger fund for that big money to exit with profit.



As your given situation, the amount of money inveted practically matters because Bitcoin will not surge if the investment of the coming people is too little.  But if the incoming investors invest a huge money then we can see Bitcoin market surging.  So it does matter to fulfill one of your statement and that is to sell higher than the amount we invested.