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Recently I have had numerous reunions with Uncles from my extended family. Some of them are successful businessmen for decades. They built their business from nothing and are living quite a comfortable life now. We had long conversations about life in general, including their key to success. I knew very well that they have been hard workers ever since I had a memory so I would contribute their success to endless efforts. However, one thing they had mentioned in common was luck. They believe pure luck made them meet and grasp those opportunities and become successful rather than their smartness and efforts. I've thought about this before and couldn't agree with this more. They've set very good examples to me, including my father, and now I tend to focus more on work itself consistently and let luck or fate takes the rest.

Lol, this sounds ridiculous but I think the number of people who succeed by luck is very small. I also know some successful people who stay humble when it comes to their efforts and talk about their luck instead. However, I think that to be successful requires a lot of factors, not only effort, or luck but also perseverance, dedication, creativity... in which luck is just the last ingredient.

'Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity' - seneca

I believe luck is important, but if you haven't done the groundwork you won't be able to take advantage of/leverage it when it comes

I can quite grasp the conclusions you convey, and it can be said that luck plays a big role in our lives. just do consistently what you are doing every day (in this case I say a business) and hopefully luck will stay with you one day and the business you run will get bigger.

I am of the opinion that success is intentional and deliberate . Except for those who were born into success whom i can classify as lucky. The majority who grew their profile from scratch where they had nothing to a good success just like OP relations were gradually getting prepared for their big success while they endured those days of their little beginning.

I am not disputing the fact people get lucky at times to get success they didn't labor so hard for,  But with the high inflation rate this days does cases are rare it is no longer has common as it used to be. To me been successful mean been so intentional about getting what ever success one desires and if luck makes it easier in the cause of the building process then fine.

You're contradicting yourself lmao. "hard workers" then "let luck do the rest" isn't really what they did, they're hard work basically let them see or grab said luck/opportunity or whatever you call it. Without hard work, I hardly doubt successful people would exist. I won't deny that lucky people exist, I mean look at Fred Smith (FedEx), he gambled away the money left of his company when it was on the brink of bankruptcy and won, but that wasn't all there is, he used that money that he got from luck to create more opportunities for his business, which grew to what it is today.

Successful people don't let luck guide them, most of the time it can be said to be a culmination of all the efforts that they did in the past, which presented itself in a combined form and should be called opportunities instead of luck. Luck is a separate factor that exists, but isn't exactly a major cause of a breakthrough to a successful career, at least, most of the time.

There is no single formula for success. Success is the destination. There are so many roads to get there, some short, some long, some smooth, some rough. Some succeeded by sheer hard work. Some succeeded by perseverance more than any other. Some succeeded by luck.

Some success stories involve people who started from the very bottom, slowly climbing to the top. Others involve a carefully planned path. Others involve a sudden stroke of luck. A janitor who finally became the manager of the company he has been working with after many years of hard work and dedication. A brilliant young man studied hard, topped the board exam, and hired by a huge company. A drop out decided to just focus on his hobby and ended up managing his own business. A good-for-nothing lazy old man suddenly hitting the lotto mega jackpot.

Luck doesn't generally mean not doing anything and getting rich out of it, you need to throw in some bold steps and work smart, this is why I used to tell my little ones that's there is two types of luck, one is getting something when or where you least expected and this happens once in a blue moon, the other is giving in all you can to become lucky, if one doesn't work the other will, it's called hard work with some sense.

When you start continuing the work consistently with greater focus, of course you also have to be smart enough right?
Because when someone who wants to continue a job while still stupid himself, how can he consistently focus on the work he wants to continue? I think one cannot ignore intelligence even though he can hope for luck in his business, because people who are smart in a field of work can definitely make a better focus and run their business more consistently.

I think you might have misinterpreted what they meant or they did not realize themselves how luck contributed to success. Successful business people can often overlook the one trait that matters here: perseverance. Many businesses came about after the owner adapted and tried many different combinations, failing many times along the way but finally figuring out a "magic" formula that worked for them. People assume it is luck, but in actual fact they had the ability to change when they saw something was not working and let go of it. Luck can sometimes play a pivotal role, like being in the right place to land a very favorable contract, but often repeat business is what makes them true winners over the long term.

I respect your opinion or view on your uncles but I am sure that it is not pure luck that brought them to success, its the opposite it's their effort and decision making and that luck is just bonuses on it like example they've got a big client that they can gain profit but you will say that it was pure luck but the truth is that you've worked hard so much before and those clients before recommended you, still it has luck on it but it was a pure effort. Though I don't see anything wrong with you as you still mentioned that you'll make effort and try to make luck work for you, just continue your effort and hard work no matter what you think about luck but just continue it.

If you want success, it takes hard work or effort to get on the right track and with luck coming your way, you can achieve that success in no time. But there is still an effort to start everything because if you just sit back and do nothing, luck will come to you for a long time.

We should focus on what we are doing and try as best and as hard as we can and then let it run itself and don't forget always to pray because this is the most important factor.

They might be just being humble, we know for a fact that lick without actions will not lead into any good results. Some were given some luck but losses it since they don’t know how to manage it like those 1day millionaire which wins in lotto and just happen to spend it into somethings else and didn’t save or bought some investment. Those who have knowledge will not make this opportunity to grew their profit more or to expand it so skills and knowledge is needed.

This is so true i recently even read a research paper on this, luck plays a really major factor in determining many major careers, i read that how major ice hockey players are born in months of Jan to Match because that is the cut off for the age bracket and those guys are more aged at that time therefore get better training because are physically more grown so just your birth month would decide how better player you will be so obviously chance or fate does play a role in almost everything around us.

Yes, I generally agree to that statement. You can be a bright student or even a genius, handsome, hardworking, determined and what not but if you're out of luck you are never going to become rich and successful. This is partly true for myself - I've always been fighting against the odds, swimming against the tide. I did have some success but with some luck I'd probably become a billionaire. The same is true regarding my entire family, also in sports and all other endeavors. Peeps who are lucky are just blessed. 8)

That I think is impossible. Looking for luck alone must be with effort lol.
You stuck with what your uncle and family said, it's clear what your uncle said that he worked hard before, of course in that hard work he reaped experience and knowledge to be better, when the opportunity came to him, he was ready because with the experience and knowledge him have when work hard.
I think your opinion can't be blamed either because it's a group of people whose thinking is Fix Mindset, and it really can be learned but people who use this mindset they are usually stagnant in their lives and don't like the challenge of finding out and practicing a lot of skills .
I think you should listen to your uncle's story again.

Being born into a wealthy family is luck, and getting inherited a fortune is also luck. Creating, making, and experimenting with something without thinking about what to eat and where to sleep is also luck. Doing something over and over, or consistently as you've said, must be done with caution, you can't simply let things go on and wait for luck or fate to take the lead. But it is not a fundamental basis of success since purely relying on luck is just like a lottery. Do note that one must be wary of survivorship bias, I do believe that both luck and effort play their own parts.

I believe hardworking, focus and persistence attract luck or I could say gifts of God. If you do your part, God will do his, and will reward you for all your effort with achievements and a dignified, respectful life. Like we were talking about it on another thread, there is some mistery on it we can't say exactly why things happen the way they happen, and then to simplify things we call it luck. Anyway, without dedication there isn't luck which last for too long, so there aren't shortcuts, and those trying to cheat universal laws are going to get burned really bad.

I am a person who believes that luck exists, but luck will come to someone if they have the ability and are willing to work hard. yes it is the same thing believe, no luck comes suddenly, if there is it might happen to a handful of people. Ability, effort and accompanied by prayer, that will bring good luck or destiny to us. If we just stay quiet, have no ability, then I think it's impossible to suddenly become successful, even that would be funny.  ;D

There cannot be any generalized structure for success. But, if you notice that people do achieve at different age with respect to their effort levels. Knowledge also playing a vital role here. Keep trying with proper plan and knowledge will help anyone to be successful in my opinion.
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With bitcoin trading I was not successful then I adapted holding strategy and now I find myself recovering all my losses in trading. You can find similar example everywhere; yes, all the people who achieved are those who refused to give up. If you keep attempting with proper plans and knowledge then you can get what you dream about. Here, most people do miss about "plans" as empty attempts will not help.

Outstanding! Your smart family members are gold to you. Luck and opportunity are part of success, but hard work is essential. Putting on your running shoes and being ready to go when chance calls is it. It makes you more determined to work hard so you can grasp Lady Luck's wink.

But let's broaden our views. "Success" is not the same as wealth. It's a mosaic of personal growth, happiness, joy, and that fantastic sensation of having done something great. So, work hard, set objectives, and be ready for life's surprises. Enjoy the roller coaster of your life.

Success certainly isn't determined by one parameter but by a combination of factors, such as effort, luck, opportunities, etc. However, luck can play a vital role in your path because you may be struck with an unexpected opportunity, such as a job offer, but luck alone will rarely take you very far. Even if you're lucky enough to win the lottery, you'll need to possess a combination of characteristics in order to continue being rich.

Although if you're lucky enough to be born into a wealthy family, chances are that your life will be much easier compared to the average person, which is a completely different story. You'll have many more open doors and opportunities, and earning money when you already have money is far easier.

Of course effort and hard work comes first, everything else is mentioned by the questioner, and nothing can replace effort and hard work that will produce the desired results.
hard work can bring us to all of these things, and by working hard, we can add intelligence, insight, broaden associations, and bring good luck.

So, work hard and keep trying. And the others will follow by themselves.

I have my own philosophy regarding the title of this thread, "effort will never betray results".

This sentence is an inspiration for me personally. that effort will never betray results. that is, no matter how much effort we expend, it will produce results that are comparable and even exceed our expectations. for me, success is a condition in which a person can achieve a target in life or achieve something that is desired. meaning, success is the culmination of a dream, a goal that is achieved.

Well, to make it happen, it takes an effort and luck in achieving something that we plan. because, without any effort, success will never be achieved and luck will never come to us. and vice versa, without the slightest luck the goals we want will be destroyed and not achieved.  therefore, results and success occupy the highest position on the podium for achieving life targets, which are balanced with effort and luck.
So IMO, true success and luck is a series of efforts that we have done.

It's funny how everyone thinks that the luck is if you were born in rich family while they underappreciate the moment of how lucky they are for being born in developed country. You are already lucky if you were born in the USA/Canada/Australia/NZ, in Western Europe, in Nordic countries. If you are the citizen of these countries and are still poor, then it has definitely nothing to do with your luck but with your effort.

Everything that they did in the past, led them to come to that moment. If they were born in countries like Burundi and Sierra Leone in average poor family with lack of education, I believe there is zero chance any luckwould reach to them ever to gain financial stability. One in a million gets lucky even in that conditions but huge luck of skills and education is a huge barrier for a person to keep the money too. Yeah, one needs knowledge to keep some $$.

The fundamental determinant for success is not the same for everyone. Some people became successful by luck, some purely by just real efforts and hard work. Also some of the people who were successful by luck also worked hard to an extent to be able to be prepared for luck when it comes. Some people did not work hard for success and are very privileged to maybe be born into it. It is different for everyone.

To become successful can be easier than staying successful which is more difficult and requires more than just luck but consistent effort as well. To remain successful, those who became successful simply by luck without any effort can have a harder time remaining successful. The one who had a bit of effort and luck can stay successful long after he was lucky because you cannot stay lucky or be lucky always and also because they already know how to put in the effort to sustain where luck has brought them to.

You can always follow what the rich people do, but you also need some luck in order to be successful. You don't always get opportunities knocking at your door, and even if you have the grit, the talent, the passion, or the effort, if no opportunity lands in front of you to take, then success wouldn't really be realized on you. But of course, luck isn't always the determining factor for success. It plays a huge role but if you're not ready to grab the ppportunity, you will never know how to respond when that luck comes knocking.

Luck is good but you shouldn't just remove or take credit of someone's effort. If your uncle didn't put effort in doing things that he do them do you think that luck won't come?. Here's a true story about my uncle who didn't even able to study college or evem graduate college but now owns different house and lots because of effort and later on being lucky. First, he puts an effort in starting a business which is to fix cars and motorcycles as a mechanic until he is lucky that his business is now known due to having good results with his work because of effort. Now some of his sons also work the same and he even had apprentice learning and also working for him.

Being hardworking doesn't make you rich. If hardworking determine ones extent of richness, then labourers should be the richest. You might have being doing same business for years without being successful but a lucky day can change your stories. Favour and luck being complement by hardwork is the key to success and richness.

exactly

exactly

you can never be lucky to win the lottery if you never play the game

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luck is also the narrow view of lots of variables lining up where you cant see the variables moving. thus you think its random rather than a pattern alignment
you cant better the odds if your not finding the variables/paths/patterns

I definitely believe in luck since it has occurred to me in the past, but there are many other factors in life that might effect success. As a product of our ability and skill for achieving positive outcomes in life, it is typically the result of perseverance and hard work, though.

On the contrary, most intelligent people are not consistent in real life and they barely win in the end. Sad but true.

Right. If we can still try and want to make it happen, it will come true one day. By having a dream, we will be motivated to achieve it so that if we encounter a problem, we will try to solve it.

It's hard to achieve a target we want but it will be worth the result later, especially when we try for the people we love. And if one day it has come true, there is a feeling that we cannot say and we can only be grateful that we have made it happen. Stay motivated and keep trying, success will come to us.

You are focused and consistent it will achieve that success. I think it will bring you good luck. Because success will always be side by side hard work with luck. The more you work hard, the greater the probability to meet luck.
Success due to luck is only temporary, success due to hard work lasts a long time. Luck is the result of trying, there is no word luck if you don't try.

Yes this is true many times. Look at Bitcoin for example. Those that invested early look how successful they are these days? Same with the early investors in Tesla and Microsoft and other tech companies.

I don’t think it was skill why they invested then. There was many companies. But due to luck they chose those which made their net worth sky rocket. So I agree with this statement. Sometimes your success can simply be due to luck.

In my opinion, this is the most important secret of prosperity.  

Success is a probabilistic event.  It all depends on luck, so in order to succeed, you need to increase your chances of winning.  For this you need to constantly work.  This is (probably) the main difference between successful people and unsuccessful ones.  

Losers do not believe in their luck, so they ignore projects in which the future reward is not guaranteed.  Such people choose for themselves hired labor with guaranteed wages.  

Successful people believe in their luck and are willing to take risks.  

They are engaged in investments, organize their business, participate in adventurous projects.  As a result, they have a chance to earn big money.

In my view, luck is only a expressions of success, I prefer that opportunities come to those who try and have the ability, I think that's the reality, while people who rely on luck on average are gamblers.
But there are some expressions that say luck, like lucky I used to learn computers, lucky I used to trade, lucky I used to buy bitcoin otherwise I wouldn't be this rich for example, so in my opinion there is no success through luck, there is only ability and our efforts in executing opportunities, and lucky sentences are expressions of disbelief for what has been done. CMIWW

I think the element of luck is important to success but if you ignore the effort it is just a stroke of luck and cannot become a standard view on the matter.  The more you try, the more luck you get!

That I would say was just a laid-back explanation for it. you know what they say, “Luck Is What Happens When Preparation Meets Opportunity" What do you think would have happened if your uncles were not prepared or didn't have the knowledge that is required to excel in that field? you still need to do the work like in this story of the Beatles one of the most famous rock bands and best-selling bands in history. When the band moved from London to the US to play at clubs, they played for an average of 8 hours, for 270 nights in about 2 years. This time gave them the opportunity to constantly improve on their craft, thus that by the time they had their first burst of success, they had performed live an estimated 1200 times, making them adequately prepared by the time the opportunity came by.  (http://medium.com/@praisembanali/when-opportunity-meets-preparation-the-10-000-hours-principle-2f45c9756f97)
So, if you are not prepared, you cannot recognize the luck that has come before you or take advantage of it.

Luck does favor a lot in the process of getting successful, but in order to keep the success you have to put lots of effort in it too. Getting successful is hard but keeping it is much harder. I have seen many people getting successful with luck and then after they have achieved it, they don't put any effort to keep it as it is. You may get inspired by your family members who are successful by luck, but have a look at their current life. I'm sure they are doing everything they can to keep the success.
So I think you need both in your life.

I agree with that that luck will not come if we don't make any effort,
so don't think that luck will come alone because after all luck is the fruit of our hard work,
it's better to focus on hard work and not think about luck.

There is no luck if you don't want to start, luck will come if someone is diligent and consistent in pursuing their dreams, there is no pure luck if you don't work hard to achieve results, because hard work will determine results if done diligently and in accordance with skills, successful people will not never stop before what is desired is achieved, while people who fail will find excuses and blame the efforts that have been made.

It must start with consistency, focus and don't forget to pray, because hard work without prayer is arrogant and prayer without hard work is a lie, the rest let luck and destiny decide as long as we do the process correctly.

Of course, to have success requires many factors, not just luck, and just lack of a certain factor makes it difficult for you to succeed. If you say that success also requires luck, even though that's the last factor you mentioned, then obviously you won't be successful without luck.

I am still not successful, but I am a living witness of luck, I had a tough life before, and I couldn't even pay my debt even though I worked hard all day and every day. But everything turned a new page in my life when I was helped by a stranger with a job I never knew about before. As of now, not only have I paid off my old debt, but I have savings, investments, and things that I thought I would never have even if I worked my whole life.

The effort is the basis that will open wider your luck to achieve success. So both of them support each other, not having inequality in one of them.
My thoughts about some of the successful people around me are, how hard a person's efforts will determine how high the level of success will be achieved later, and how capable they're of maintaining that success.

luck sometimes takes an important role in life. But still everything must be passed through an effort or hard work. Analysis and intelligence in taking a path in a business or smart in seeing an opportunity are the big things that lead someone to success.

But indeed in the end a destiny of life sometimes leads a person on the path of success through luck so that all the paths taken are easy and rarely fail. But if we ask people who have been successful. then they will say that they also had a few failures before becoming successful. and most of them will say that they are lucky because they don't give up when they fail and keep trying and learning from mistakes and they fix mistakes until they finally achieve success.

so luck is for those who don't give up and keep trying. Because God is Most Just. So that in essence we are all given the opportunity in the same luck. but it depends on us whether to choose not to give up and pick up luck or instead we fail because we have given up and are not optimal in trying.

 if you are still not successful in your business. believe me if you don't give up on your efforts then one day you will get success or success.

I think it's still possible. What about those poor people who doesn't do anything but then someone can just knock on their doors and give them some assistance? Also when we just merely walk in the streets, we can get lucky because we can see a money lying around or a valuable thing but of course, these are only small and can be rare to happen so if we want to elevate it then there is only one way of doing it and that is by working hard and learning more skill.

Being good to others do also helps. The fruit of our hardwork is not what you call a luck but it was the fruit itself. Luck is when something which you don't expect suddenly came to you. It was a great feeling.

Some sort of if we do speak about being lucky on what investment or business that you are dealing with because we know that not all does really succeed on investment world on where no matter how hard you do

work and make some effort, if your products and services arent really that in demand when you do have a physical business then pretty sure it would end up bankrupt and if you are doing some online investment
and other business but turns out not to be recognized then it would be still ending up on a failure.

This is why i could say that it is really needing up some sort of luck for you to have success on whatever you are dealing with but i would really go into the side of extreme effort and
planning where it is the main ingredients for you to succeed but its not something guaranteed though.

Success is a combination of a lot of factors with luck in the mix. However it is not the main ingredient for success there is more through it. No person never became successful by doing nothing. To succeed you must be resilient, to succeed you must be disciplined, to succeed you must have a network of Friends that are willing to push you up financially, materially, academically.

Do not just wait for luck alone, work for it and with patience and persistency too, you will be successful in time because of your hardwork and luck working hand in hand. But make it a habit too to keep praying anywhere and everywhere because if you pray and work, it will always come to you as quickly as you want it to be as long as God sees you’ll benefit from it. Because even how hardwork you are and how lucky you are, as long as it’s never meant for you, it will never be given to you.

If that what makes them feel satisfied with their success then let them believe to whatever it is. But if it's all about reality, it's all about the hard work that they've done.

They just don't want to make themselves look arrogant and say to others that they've worked hard to what they have right now. Because for others upon hearing it will make them think that they're arrogant if they'll say it nowadays.

As you know, most people today are sensitive in terms of trying to explain your good situation so, maybe that's one reason for it.

I also believe that luck could play a big role in success. But never rely for luck alone, as we don’t even know when will it actually hit us. So let’s focus on taking advantage first on every opportunity that comes and always give the best for it so that when luck finally comes, all our efforts and hardwork will paid off, plus the luck that will finally put us in a great position. As there’s no main ingredient in success, but if you pour hardwork on it, most likely you’ll get lucky too at the end of the day. That’s how success happens.

This is the correct answer. I've seen many rich people saying that they were very lucky. Which is sort of correct but they down play the fact that they knew exactly what they were doing and how to make money and what they were doing that others weren't. How they were brave when others were fearful. But people really don't want to hear that. Or they don't understand it, nor many of them have other talents needed for smelling profit.

One of the reasons for this is to avoid any talks when people are asking financial advices on what to invest. No one with a good heart wants to carry that responsibility for people. So they cut some corners by saying they were lucky degenerate gambler or something like that. That keeps away anyone wanting financial advices or tips.

lucky means you are born with a working brain.

lucky means you don’t get killed in random accidents.

the hard working Ukrainian gets a missle dropped in his bed when sleeping 

goes on and on and on.

I believe that luck exists and that there are lucky people who have the opportunity to have a comfortable and happy life.  But compared to the number of people who have reached happiness because of their efforts and perseverance, the number is very small.
 The concept of happiness may be relative and varies from person to person, but the lucky ones are the exception, not the rule.

You are talking about another very important issue but yes, I completely agree with what you say. My family members have also been doing a great job keeping their status so they are the living proof. I have inherited both mentality to continue to do my best in my life. Thanks.

It is undeniable that luck plays a factor as there is no way to control the opportunities that you can receive out of life, but if your family members were not hard workers those opportunities would not have appeared at all, so hard work is still a must, it is just that even if you work hard you may not get the success you have been looking for, but if you refuse to work hard then you will depend entirely on your luck, and very few people get successful on luck alone.

Success is not determined by luck, but without luck, we will not be successful. In addition to the effort to work hard, be smart and do more than others, luck is the factor that helps us succeed. But that's not why we don't work, don't try, but just wait for luck, luck will never come to us. Luck here, means you do many things, give your best effort, and you find the truth, the way to success, not do nothing and then the luck will come by itself.

True and I think we need to understand what luck is because basically luck will not come if we don't keep trying and working hard,
as long as we don't do anything i guess don't wish for luck,
the most important thing is keep trying to do your best.

Luck is indeed one of the factors that makes us achieve success, but that doesn't mean we can just sit idly by and wait for the luck to come to us. There must be effort and hard work to invite the luck to come to us. As humans, we can only try and do all things, successful or not, let success find its own way. Because in my belief I speak like that, trying to achieve success is one thing that is mandatory for me, but once again it is fate that will later speak about the answers to the efforts we make.

While luck may play a part in one's success, it cannot be relied upon in isolation. We can't predict when good fortune may smile upon us, but we can take proactive steps to maximise any opportunity that presents itself.

Fortune smiles upon the courageous.

Working hard improves our odds of success, and when opportunity presents itself, we'll be well-prepared to seize it. To make our goals a reality, we need to take the initiative and work hard. You're right; we only achieve our goals when we put in the time and effort.

I agree that success requires luck, no matter how talented you are, without luck, you will never succeed. But that's not why we don't make an effort, we still have to make an effort and keep trying even if we're not lucky because if we don't make an effort, we'll get worse.

the word success is often the runway for some people who want to change their lives when they find opportunities in every field they want to get into. But as Op said sometimes luck comes to those who dare to take risks and that's only 1% of most of them. The chances of winning are very small if you are not accompanied by large capital and have brilliant ideas in the field you are working on.

Besides that, one thing you can do to achieve success with adequate financial factors is to work hard in real life before other people praise the success you will get in the future.

There have been errors in defining success. Apart from being ridiculous, maybe you are not too philosophical about how success is not complex and is determined by only one factor. You are now working and that includes a business. Don't pretend it's simple and only depends on luck. If you are someone who depends on luck and let everything stand in place then why should you painstakingly work and spend time?

Maybe that applies to people around you, doesn't mean that everything applies in general.

Answer my question: you said that now you do work consistently, isn't that part of your business? try to answer !!

There is definitely luck but fate is largely controlled by your actions not completely leave 90 percent control to karma and 10 percent to luck. You put a lot of effort into a job that wasn't supposed to happen but still failed to reach the main goal. It is because of your luck if you work hard and succeed, it is also because of work hard for this you must act. Then it's good if it succeeds, but if it doesn't bad luck. But if you leave everything to luck you will never succeed.

Success is not a measure of how we've contributed our efforts towards achieving it, neither does it account as a result of being a lucky one to be successful in life, it's combines the two altogether to make the perfect match in which we all have to give the very best efforts towards making it in life and in so doing, we may experience that luck with an opportunity it may present us along the process, we determine what we see through our actions and determinations.

If from the point of view of some of your extended family who are now successful businessmen, it is because of luck that they became rich, maybe I will respect them for their belief.

Because for me, not all successful business people say that they were able to reach their dreams in life because of luck. Because if luck is the basis for being a successful entrepreneur, then there should be no hard work and patience and they just waited for their luck. But that's not what most successful people say, but because of hard work, patience, and the right system they used made them successful. Therefore, the word luck is not the right formula for us to succeed in our lives.

It's definitely a combination of both, there are no ways about it.

The thing is, yes, you could say that it is "fundamentally determined by luck", in SOME cases, but if you would to dissect it and, let's say, make a statistics/data overview out of it, I would be extremely confident that it's a combination of both in a large %. Your effort is what "provokes" the potential of luck presenting to you.

Those are the ways we have to do if we want to get successful. Pray, be patient, persevere, work, and luck will come without us realizing it and only knowing that we have achieved what we want. And when we have achieved it, we should not be arrogant and it is better to keep working hard as usual and be more grateful to achieve other successes. And even though we were never destined for it, if we work hard to achieve it, we will get something better.

If their success is based on luck then be sure they are not actually rich as they aren't sure how long they will be lucky with the riches.
I know of someone on this forum who became very riches by holding strongly to Christain principles that gurantee riches. Now he is so rich that he can get any amount of money he wants from worthy businesses. His riches wasn't based on luck. He simply played by the good rules that guarantees riches and he got very rich but living like a poor man

Being successful is a different story for everybody some are lucky and others with hard work, and establishing a business currently is not as easy as it was then because now government policies are not favorable for starters at all and so many factors, especially in my own region, if you have made up your mind to achieve anything in life you should also prepare your mind against the challenges and the number one thing is that never give up.

It's more of a combination of luck and effort for me because you need to do something to get something back. It would be best if you still took action for those opportunities to become successful. Like you can have an interview for a job with great pay and benefits, the luck aspect, but if you do well, that will be yours for a short time since you won't make an effort. So that's always going to be a combination.

You should know what you are doing and focus on what you can do and control. It's best to have a great mindset and efficient effort for what you want, and then success can come.

meeting good friends is good luck - having a harmonious and trustworthy family is also good luck, even knowing this forum can also be said to be lucky. so the conclusion is that things in this world are inseparable from luck.


one thing that is very beautiful about successful older siblings is that they want to share their life stories/experiences, and for me, it is worth more than money because, from the experiences they tell, we can get the knowledge that we would not have been able to get when we were young. I also once received advice from my uncle who was successful in running a cargo business, he said that hard work without luck is futile, so be kind to everyone so that luck will stop at you.

I agree with you bro, I don't even believe in luck alon, those days are gone ✌️, every luck has a trace of little or great effort.

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OP, Everybody has their own different beliefs about what their faith is and what has made them who they are, but I believe that all faith without work is ill. 

To believe in luck, you must first be good at one thing, and to be good at one thing, you must put in little effort. All my life, I have never seen anyone make success out of nothing. My grandpa would tell me the story of their days, when one could just get a job immediately after completing senior secondary school; then, the employers would come pick you up at your house for employment, and you wouldn't need to stress at all for the job to get hired, but, bro, I think those days are gone. 

Manners are no longer falling from heaven these days unless you put in your effort. I can believe that some people may put all their efforts into something and still get no good result, while some people only put in little effort and get enveloped by luck, but I strongly believe that today, zero effort is zero success. Any way is just my opinion.

That is correct - I am a hard worker and I worked to be financially independent but I failed terrible - -  nothing in my life worked.
What I have won in lucky draw was the crockery set and an ipod.
Nothing more than that. I agree with OP - sometime luck makes you rich! in fact most of the times

from what @Renampun said above: Knowing bitcointalk could be considered lucky, let's look at it from this angle: assuming you and three other persons apply for a signature campaign, but you are selected, you would think it is luck, right? How about if you were selected because you have been spotted for always having good-quality comments and posts? How about if you were selected because you put more effort into your comments than the two people who were rejected? You're probably just going to conclude that it was luck, knowing your effort also played a role.

In my first comment, I said that in every act of luck shown to someone, there is always a little or great effort. Let me digress a bit.

Back when I was growing up, I did some side hustles, but there was this colleague of mine that got picked as permanent staff in the company where we worked then, even though we were just working on contract. Any time the company needs us, they call, and we go deliver the service required of us. This one of my colleagues was picked because he just worked an extra hour that day after we declined to work that long with him. He's still with the company up till date, but in a bigger position. In essence, what I am trying to say is that luck still requires some effort to get activated. is just my opinion though.

That stranger alone might have brought the luck for you. But as we all know, you didn’t just grab the luck but you also put hardwork and high dedication into your new job that made you where you are today. So that’s where efforts and luck have worked hand in hand so you can have a good life at the moment. Without the other one, you will never go that far and experience luxury of what you have right now.

Why would need up to choose one if both things are crucial on someones success?

Its true that effort and hard work would be meaningless if there's no some sort of luck for whatever you are dealing with.Somehow this would really be pertaning on how you do work hard because
you cant just make yourself that relying when it comes to luck where you do believe that it would really make you reach out a certain state where you are having no problems about finances.
It is really that somewhat having some mix of luck but majorly it would really be pertaining on how well you do handle yourself on lots of challenges because
success cant really be obtained if you havent done such thing.

As OP mentioned it is our responsibility to do the best and the rest will be rewarded automatically. We need to work for it rather than expecting luck. When we work hard surely at some point we'll be good to some extent even if luck hasn't helped us. Luck is important to make you reach the top, but hard work is a must to keep your life at a better position.

I don't agree with this. Luck is a factor and there are many other factors but hard work is the biggest factor in being successful. I also believe there's a thin line between rich and successful. You can get rich through pure luck, like winning the lottery or being born into a rich family or whatever but for you to start your own business or career and be successful in it takes a lot of things and hard work is a big part of those things. You don't become a very good marine out of luck, you don't become a good and successful basketball or football player through luck or luck playing a bigger role.

Agreed, success is a factor. Same time having just the hard work won't make you reach high. What you say is right, but at the same time without luck one cannot be on the top. We can take the example you've said, there are far better football and basketball players than the top ones. Because they worked hard and got to be lucky to grab the opportunity whereas the person without luck weren't visible to the outer world.

I think so, success is determined by luck, not effort, the real proof that I see in life is that there are many rich and successful people who according to the rules he shouldn't be successful, I have a friend who didn't graduate at school, but after several years in the restaurant business now I have employees are around 30 people, and there are employees when schools often get top rankings.

In every success story hardwork plays a dominant role to luck. Hardwork prepares you for any opportunity that might come your way, if you're not prepared you will miss opportunities that those that are prepared already through hardwork would be the ones to grap the opportunity that OP refers to as luck.
For example; if I have luck to gain employment in an establishment, certain qualifications will be required of me to attain such opportunity that it's believed to have come through luck. But if I don't have the qualifications that's needed to grap the opportunity presented to me by luck, of what use then would the luck be to me. Cause I won't be given the employment cause I don't have the qualifications needed but those that do have these qualifications will definitely get the job. The required qualifications is where hardwork comes in as important before luck itself.
In otherwise, it's preparation that meets and also utilizes opportunities (luck), without it opportunity becomes useless.

I don't see any luck with your friend who did not graduate from school but owns a restaurant right now because he has done hard work to own that; he took the risk to establish those restaurants, and that is when luck struck him, like a lot of customers coming back to his restaurant as he cooks goods and also because they are pleasant. Comparing effort vs. luck is not the same; if you are just lazy and wait for luck, you'll end up with nothing, but if you put in an effort on anything, for sure, luck will follow.

Can you clarify more what you say. according to the rules where, and how do you determine that your friend can not be successful. let's discuss it, many rich people are getting richer due to many factors that trigger or become indicators. Besides the effort they put in, they may also have special privileges. maybe he comes from a wealthy family, or maybe he has many business connections.

at least, there is something that someone does so that the business experiences an increase and achieves the success as expected. believe me, luck is just a supporting factor of the business process you are doing. if you trust destiny, you will not be able to change it. but if you want to change your fate, you can change it by going through a process, step by step, and that's the real effort.the rest, let luck dictate the outcome. IMO, true success and luck is a series of efforts that we have done.

Luck is just one factor for success, the rest should be fill with hardwork and effort. Imagine if all people will just rely on luck alone, people will end up being lazy and will have no life’s direction since they are only waiting for luck to take control of their life. But if you always put into action all your desires and aspirations in life, you always work and prosper on it, then luck might probably come in end which will finally lead you to a successful path. That’s why we need not only luck, but also work and action.

Success can never be achieved with luck alone. You have to put an effort to it and work on your plan so you will have more chances to succeed in the end. Otherwise, if you keep on waiting for your luck, which we don’t really know when will gonna happen, yes you’ll end up in a worst situation. Although everyone needs luck to succeed, but hardwork and efforts, patience, resiliency and being positive mindset will make it more possible to achieve success.

Well, luck will always have its role to play in our lives but never disregard effort. Why? Everyone can insert effort to anything they are doing but not all people would be lucky. So atleast, put dome effort until luck goes on your way becaude if you will just wait for luck to come into your life, it would mean nothing if you have not started anything. Let us all be not reliant of our fate 'coz there'll be times we are the ones who'd decide for our future and not luck alone. Athletes won't achieve titles if they are just lucky because they've worked hard more than how luck took place on their career. And same thing goes with everyone's success.

Yes, but not into the point that you are relying on luck or having no balance in between hard work and luck because we dont know on when it would hit us and this is why its better to have that mindset on doing your

best or hardwork+effort on whatever things that you are currently dealing with.Luck factor could only be determine on the time you are seeing that it is really that getting recognition or attention or simply with the demand.Yes, its true that it might give out some significance for whatever that we are dealing with.

Put that effort and dedication and see for yourself on what would be the results of it.

Until the wise man takes off his shoes; the madman crosses the stream.

The first and most important requirement to be successful is to make an effort; luck follows effort in second place. If you make an effort, luck will find you easier. But in the absence of effort, it would be useless if you had the chance of the whole world.

We need to give the efforts and the same makes us get closer to luck. When we don't give the best and expect luck to favour us, it is the mistake. There are people who make themselves high out of luck. Those are one in hundred and everyone can't be the same. When we work hard, we'll be rewarded amidst the luck. When we just look for the luck without working hard we'll experience failure.

I would say its combination of many things. First of all the super wealthy, the forbes richest list type of people are all from family of means, so you need to have a starting capital, even if not a huge one, just a little one and not come from poverty would be beneficial. Secondly you need to work on something that many people may want, even if not right away, eventually, even apple wasn't this huge company back in the day, it became bigger and bigger after iPhone was invented, it was big, but not the biggest company in the world. However, if we are talking about even better? Thats where luck comes in, if you have all these AND luck? That means you are going to do very well, you will get richer than what you normally would if you got some luck help.

I think that success requires hard work, process, then luck. if you do nothing, you will become nothing. simple example, if you are hungry what will you do? the answer is definitely you will go to the kitchen to get a plate, then put the rice and side dishes on the plate and then you eat and are full. but if you feel hungry, but you stay quiet and don't go to the kitchen, then you will never be full. so effort is really needed, after that then luck itself will come to us.

no effort, then nothing can be. Even people who are now successful, they must have tried, failed, got up and succeeded.

Many people often say that success is due to luck, but I have to say that to get luck we have to work hard and smart, if we work in an office and get a small salary then we have to have the courage to do something else, for example looking for a side job/business, and in life sometimes we have to dare to take risks, namely investment, and in my opinion cryptocurrencies are a good opportunity to make us successful or rich in the future.

Yes, Equal Opportunity doesn't always come true and Not that success is simply luck, but the idea that effort is what you perceive as a necessary condition for success, is itself supported by some degree of luck. . This means that you can put in every effort to do something and still fail—not because your efforts weren't enough, but simply because something outside your control still destroys your success.

I think Luck is an unexpected thing, everyone has certainly felt Luck, and everyone certainly hopes for success, because we do not know the final result, so the thing we have to do is do everything well, never think whether we will be successful or No, as long as we can do the best things, we have the opportunity to succeed.

I think what you are saying is very direct because indeed success is always based on several factors and obviously not only by the luck factor because other factors that really support achieving success are also very necessary, such as the size of the effort as well as focus and consistency. which is better for your business. After all, luck is something that absolutely cannot be predicted by anyone when they are running their business, even though it is also a hidden desire for some people.

As long as you still have a good opportunity to continue to make good efforts, then never stop trying and hoping that success and luck will come to the efforts we are doing. Because it is very unexpected even though everyone has tried very well in their business. After all, a good business has more potential to get good results because effort never betrays the results. And even if the results are not in accordance with what has been tried, it means that the consistency is still not optimal so that the results are not in accordance with what has been tried.

Luck will always play a factor but how influential it could be is simply not something we can know beforehand, and since that is the case we have no option but to work as hard as possible towards our goals and simply hope for the best, and in fact the more willing you are to work hard towards your goal the lesser the effect bad luck will have on your potential outcomes, while you will notice the opposite effect when it comes to good luck as you will take advantage of it as you will be in a great position to do so thanks to your hard work.

I am type of person who believe in luck but only that time when they have an ability willing to do hard work because luck will only goes to those person who never afraid to to hard work and put their effort until and unless they didn't got success. Yes effort is very important to achieves success, but your luck is also prominent, I have seen many people who worked hard to get success but they could achieve it because of their bad luck, so luck plays major role to achieve success. I am not saying you shouldn't effort, but luck is very important.

I don't agree that success is based on luck rather than effort. it's because luck won't come if we don't try. The meaning, in this case, is that not all of our businesses can be successful, but by trying to find the best business, you will get a business that can make you successful. Is that lucky? no, it is done with effort and hard work. in fact, building a business or running a business is included in the effort. You will not get success just by waiting for luck. no one is successful if they just watch tv and sleep in their room waiting for their luck.

Getting ahead of yourself definitely requires hard work and success, but luck plays a role in that. We often invest in different platforms but sometimes we blame fate when we lose a lot from them. There are many people who play different lotteries and they win they think it was written in their destiny. I also believe that it is never possible to get anything without luck. If there is no success in one's destiny then no business can be done in the future. But it is true that whether you are lucky or not, it does not depend on life, but if you work hard and try, you will get success once in a while.

It is not like gambling that you are sitting and betting some small money on it and waiting for bigger return, life is not like that. I agree with you that lucks attract hard work that is why those rich people will always say that do your very best and be hard working on something for sure you'll be able to get that and the luck is just a 2nd factor on it. Relying on luck is not a good idea for sure you'll not going to be successful on it as it is still another term for lazy stuff.

Pinpointing success to luck is an easy out - if you prefer to not take responsibility.
What can be considered luck in one instance, meeting the right person to work with, finding the right business niche at the right time, having the right skill for the job at the right time etc, cannot be attributed to luck if it keeps reoccuring.
If you put yourself in a position to connect to many people in a similar group of interest, if you stay focused on what you want to achive and keep looking out for the right opportunities and at the same time educate yourself about the relevant topics you will "attract luck" -> you kind of create a high probability chance to experience the right situations and connect with the right people and opportunities.
If you just lay back and spend your time with other things than those relevant to what you seek to achive, "business-success-luck" will probably not be part of your usual experience.

Hard work coupled with luck will give great success but luck without hard work is nonsense because luck will be obtained by those who are trying not those who do nothing, because if that's true lazy people can be successful if luck comes to him

And it is true that success is not based on luck, because luck is something random, if success depends on luck then it becomes useless all the hard work that humans do to be able to achieve success. So what Op said was just a personal assumption because maybe he felt that he had worked very hard but did not achieve what other people achieved, which in fact we will not know how hard the other person tried until he finally became successful.

Many books have been written about success and luck in trading and investing. One of the best classic books is "Reminiscences of a Stock Operator". There are many stories of investors who went bankrupt many times, as well as rich people who lost their millions on investments.

I completely disagree with your experience that is, if it's true as you put it, luck can come knocking at anyone's door but what happens when you are not prepared for it? You will often hear from elders that opportunity comes but once but how can you grab the opportunity when you are not well ready to prepare for it? For any luck to come your way, you have to be ready in the sense that, you have what it takes to accommodate the luck. let's say for example, a job interview was posted for qualified candidates and you don't have the qualifications, even if there high chance of taking more applicants, do you think you are going to be allowed for the interview if you don't meet the requirement? They will never call you because you missed preparing for the opportunity.

Bear it in mind also, life is not fair, even the animal food chains are not fair, because you are hardworking throughout your entire life doesn't mean luck will locate you, if that is how the world works, everyone would have a better job and business to run daily but as I have said, that's how life works.

Success doesn't come from going to school so don't think because someone didn't go to school that they won't be successful. Success comes from discipline, dedicating your life to achieve a goal and be focused while trying to achieve that goal. Your friend mightn't have gone to school but he had something many people don't have and that's dedication to their goals.

Success doesn't come from luck, that's gambling. Some people gamble and become successful but it doesn't mean luck equals to success. If you get your money from luck, you might lose it and can't make it back but anybody that got theirs through hardworks can rebuild.

I don't think so, the luck factor is indeed one of the important factors for us to be successful but it doesn't rule out the possibility that we can also be successful without it, the point is if we are diligent in trying to work hard not being lazy staying consistent with what we do I'm sure we can become successful people . because success is only for worthy people

Even if you do everything right, sometimes you have to be in the right place at the right time. Sometimes you come to the right time and the right place thanks to your luck. Actually, I can't call it luck because it is destiny. Fate makes its plan for us and we live our lives according to our choices. That's why we hope that there are things in our destiny that will make us feel lucky.

Yes, others call it luck, but there are people who are in the right place at the right time and that is opportunity. So we should really strive for the best and work out ass of if we wanted to be successful. Don't rely on luck alone, it will not be on our sides all the time.

It's good to go to school, but they will not teach everything specially the art of making money. We need to discover it ourselves and when we find the formula for success then we stick to it. Again, it's the opportunity that will present itself, and we need to grab it.

Hard work isn't enough to gain success but I believe luck is also a part of it.
I agree that many rich people turn their millions into zero but this is not because they are working hard, they might putting into something that they are not good at, which means that they are pretty unlucky not to work it out despite the effort and hard work they did. In fact, even myself, it sometimes happens and sometimes we also need to give up on those investments that never work well otherwise, this will bring us to bankruptcy.

You are right. To succeed in this life, we must do big efforts. We will never achieve anything if we never do anything. We can't expect to succeed if we just sit and rely on luck like in gambling games. Without effort, luck will never come since it has no reason to happen. Just imagine that you want to be a successful businessman, it won't happen if you have no business. Relying on luck without doing anything is an impossible dream, only stupid people do this way.  :D

I am agree with you, most of people said that hard work will give good results for our effort to be successful or rich or etc. it is not false, but a luck handle some part of all those hard efforts. If you do not give a lot of effort, less percentage the luck comes to you.

You’ll be surprised to see how so much people thrive from being just at the right place at the right time. Elon Musk, Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Mark Zuckerberg, and many other entities we praise for their hardwork and success, ultimately attribute luck towards the reasons why they are what they are right now. These people, whole smart, persevering, and industrious, wouldn’t get anywhere if they didn’t have the emerald mine, the Harvard degrees, and tons of cash to jumpstart their businesses. This basically solidifies the fact that luck plays a much larger role to someone’s success, more than what we don’t want to let out or admit.

Celebrities too! They wouldn’t really be right where they are just because they’re talented, they are there bdcause they are beautiful and handsome! Would you attribute that kind of advantage with “perseverance and strength?” I don’t think so!

you started a quite interesting topic about luck, in my perspective, we tend to think that way. For example, if i take my example, back in 2020 i was struggling to take admission in university as i had not have financial support from my parents back then so i was on my own, well one of my relatives talked to me and convinced me to carry on my studies and he was ready to pay for me. Well, i started and then i went for a job interview in my first semester. Now where was the twist was, i wanted to do BS in Software Engineering, And i wanted to do it in a good university. But my luck took me to an average university to study in BS Computer Science. Well, i was like ok, let's flow with it as i had no other choice other than working.

So, in the first semester, during the interview i got two options, to work or to delay my studies, so i thought too much and chose studies over work even in the bad financial situation then i made a friend in uni and he helped me a lot in skills and making money online and boom, from then i am earning more than that job which i dropped in 2020. And i think luck was everything.

And at some point, you do realize that what if i rejected my uncle's offer, what if i stick to my plan of doing BSSE in a good university, What if i accepted that job offer (where there was no room to grow). Life is full of What if possibilities, and you chose only one, and it's up to us to choose the right way, and when you adopt the best honest policy door to success will open from sources that you can't even imagine.

So, i think you are wrong, our efforts determine our luck and even if we can't achieve success after efforts, we should pray to Allah and ask him to change luck because prayer can change luck.

Theyre just really that being that humble on which they might be saying that luck does play majorly in speaking about their success but actually its not really that solely depending on it. Of course it would really be
talking about their effort and the time that they had put in,specially if we are talking about physical or real world business on which it would really be needing up those kind of approach and not something that could really be relied on luck alone. They have given out their wise decisions and effort on which this is a great factor rather than on speaking about luck alone. It is really just that they are really that just lowkey
and telling up things about on how well successful they are. It just turns out that it is really that a common saying just to ease out really make themselves humble.

No business would turn out to be successful if there would be no time and effort on which been applied into it. Luck isnt really only a reason for you to rely when running a business.
You cant really be just that relying on that factor alone because it cant really be something that would give out result if there would be no effort to be made
and make wise decisions.

It really depends on your understanding as to what success means for you. It depends on a whole set of things falling in place of which hard work and luck are important factors. You need to have the right mindset, attitude, passion, skills to get successful because its as important as working hard with some luck by your side to keep you going from one steps to another. Also remember that its not that tough to get there but to maintain/sustain that position you need to be humble grateful for what you achieve.

I'm currently reading Zeland's book Reality Transurfing. 

The author argues that for success it is necessary to avoid the occurrence of excess potentials.  By the term excess potentials, he means great efforts to achieve the goal.  When a person makes great efforts to achieve a goal, he exaggerates the significance of this goal and thereby upsets the world balance of power. 

As a result, he begins to face strong obstacles on the way to the goal and it is not a fact that they can be overcome. 

By avoiding the emergence of high potentials, you can count on luck and achieve success much faster.

It is true that we cannot be lazy, not work hard and just wait for luck to come to us because there is no success without trade-offs. But to succeed beyond your best efforts, you need to have a little luck, or you will never succeed. When you start a business or do anything that always goes smoothly, that is also your luck. If luck is not needed to succeed, why do so many people work hard but never succeed? While many people don't spend too much time and effort to achieve success, it is quite common in our lives. I believe that luck plays an important role in everyone's success.

There is a saying "work smarter not harder" point. I know people who achieved success without appearing to work hard. They are in tiny minority but I will also tell that hard work is no guarantee of success. But at the end you need to be humble and grateful for what you achieve and maintaining the same attitude and love for what you do shall determine your future so they say its not one time accomplishment rather its a way of life your own journey.

The luck factor is a factor that no one can predict and this factor also very rarely comes twice to the same person in different ways. So the luck factor is another thing that you don't need to think about because the most important thing to think about is to keep trying as hard as possible to find better results and that must really be done regularly and very consistently as you say.

Besides that, success in any case will not come by itself if it is never picked up by trying hard because indeed everyone is always required to work hard at what they want. So it is clear in this case that success is not for the lazy because indeed success is for people who deserve it after trying through their respective hard work.

Although there are indeed many cases where people suddenly become rich and successful due to luck. But such cases are very rare and rarely encountered in everyday life. And I agree that in the end what can get us closer to the chances of success is Hard Work, Consistency, Discipline and never being lazy to learn and work more.

because in reality more successful people have life stories that they start with hard work and keep going without ever giving up even though they often experience failure. Because sometimes failure is a lesson and can also be said to be a delayed success.

Success in life requires luck and hard work. Those who have good luck, work on time and always take advantage of opportunities achieve success in life. 

There is a class of people who want to achieve success in life without any hard work and if they believe in their luck then success will come to them one day but this is not the case God has given everyone a good luck and asked everyone to change that luck through hard work now if we do any kind of hard work  If we don't just wait for luck then we will never be successful. To achieve success there is no substitute for hard work and determination.

I think, Good Recommendations also need from strong people, especially in business, meaning having a report card and work track record that has been tested so we are excited that we are capable too. Yes, it takes effort, focus, and the will to put yourself in the right position to connect with people and opportunities so as to increase your chances of success and attract luck.

In this life there are indeed many things that often make us think that all theories will certainly not match reality, I had a friend when he was at school he was a fool so that every day he was insulted by other friends, and finally he chose to leave school, but after a few years he looks successful because you can own a farm and livestock business and can pay around 20 people this proves that intelligence will not guarantee success or failure.

Work hard with all your might, and after that leave fate to the results. I don't think it's luck, because realistically and logically it has also been seen that someone who works hard and wholeheartedly in doing his job, will always be rewarded for his hard work. So actually what you are talking about is not just luck, because your parents and your uncle have worked hard at doing their jobs. So it is certain that the possibility of getting success is very high. And what I absorbed from the post you made, actually your argument or story seems to lead to a feeling of surrender when you have worked hard, and surrendered the results or not to those above and in my opinion that is not luck but resignation.

And in life having luck is indeed one of the important aspects, and is desired by many people. So if your uncle and all your brothers or relatives say so, it's true. But you explained all the stories and led to the attitude of working hard and leaving everything to fate.

2 things that can't be separated, how can anyone be successful without hard work? I think it will be achieved if we are born as rich people, or in other words we just have to continue our family business. and also hard work if not accompanied by luck I think it will also be difficult to be successful. But I am a person who believes that we can get luck with hard work and keep on praying. We as human beings can only try and pray, and when we have done that it will return to our destiny. And the truth is that destiny can be changed with hard work.

A very controversial statement! More precisely, from the region - you can do nothing, just buy a lottery ticket or place a bet in the casino :)

Firstly: yes, there are times when you just got lucky. But this is extremely rare and the exception rather than the rule.
Secondly, as reality shows, very often, those on whom wealth suddenly falls do not know how to manage it. Because there is no knowledge, no skills, no understanding of what money and wealth are.

Thirdly - ok, today you were lucky, and you "flew" 100,000 or 1,000,000 dollars. Question: how much is enough for you? What will happen next? Further wait for "manna from heaven"? :)

it really involves luck but those people that are working so hard but still not succeed is that they dont have a lot of opportunities meaning they are only working so hard like there is no tomorrow but  they missed other opportunities or lets say bad decisions. It has really luck involved to it because lets say while working someone noticed your hardworking and your capability which they will hire your or asked the CEO to increase your salary, there are really instances that we cant control which that is luck

There is no substitute for work to change fate or luck. Those who are working hard fate always with them. In some cases, something different can happen, but it will not be effective for everyone. If I talk about the owner of the FedEx, he was not just depend on the fate. He worked hard at first and he was almost fail at once but he did not give up. At one stage when he got some extra money through gambling by his luck, he gave that money again in his business and later he succeeded. The owner of the FedEx Smith not only rely on the fate, he had also hard work.

A person does not have many opportunities, which means they are not lucky enough. Luck appears a lot in our lives, and I believe it plays an important role, but many people deny it. If they don't have luck, then no matter how hard they try, they will never succeed. Honestly, I am where I am today because of luck. I used to be a worker and worked very hard, I never dared to think about big things like houses, cars, or real estate because I knew where I was in society. But luck came to me when a friend helped and recommended a job I had never known. Currently, my life is very well off and stable thanks to my job. Although I have worked hard, there is no denying that without luck, I would never have had the opportunity to do a job I know nothing about.

Well I don't believe something like success is determined by luck but luck is affecting our effort because luck won't appear if we don't do any effort, just like opportunities won't come if we only stay at home. Something like that will make some people who are unlucky give up quickly if they don't have good luck after a few tries since we know a lot of successful people out there become successful after a lot of tries and that is because they keep their effort going on.

Achieving success also has a hint of luck. Why? Because they had those big opportunities that changes their business and lives for the better. Not everyone can have the same opportunity so they're lucky to have those. But of course, it wouldn't just be a pure luck since they didn't let those opportunity to lose. They also worked hard for those opportunity to come and worked harder to not waste the opportunity. Also, they worked hard on maintaining the success they achieved so it's both a luck and effort.  That's why I also believe that we all have different opportunities, and it's up to us whether we'll take it or not. Cause those small and big opportunities can change our lives.

effort number 1, after that just luck.
Without trying luck will never come, you will not be successful by expecting luck without the support of effort. OK, I'm trying to understand the concept you're talking about about success by luck. Have you ever imagined that a lazy person can achieve success by hoping for luck alone? Obviously it's impossible, to achieve success there needs to be effort, without effort luck will never come.
Effort, intelligence in seeing opportunities and luck, these three elements are interconnected in achieving success.

plus. the pain of being someone who doesn't exist or has nothing is very painful to feel every day. this is what makes people successful because discipline tries hard to change a bitter life to be better than yesterday. This bitter life experience is often remembered as being a driver of rapid change so as not to be oppressed.

Fundamentally determined by luck? Bro sit down in your house and do nothing them, if you have a good lucky charm your money will find it's way to you, since you won't be needing any effort, I don't hate luck but I will never sit back and hope for some luck, if you don't invest money on Bitcoin you missed the chance, probably because we never thought that Bitcoin will be successful, how about Ethereum or BNB, or LTC?

Invest your money and maybe you will get lucky that the coin you choose do a 1000x, but not doing a thing? Things don't work that way. I wonder where my encouragement comes from, if all I believe in is luck, damn I wouldn't have taken any steps at all and my situation would have been much more worsen

Luck cannot make you successful without doing anything to get profit so I think luck and efforts both are compulsory elements for a successful destination. There are number of individuals who do not want to move their hands so they cannot achieve the desired goals because they think that success will achieved without doing anything.

I think one should work hard after that its his luck that what he get as a results of his efforts. I have experienced that all those individuals who worked hard in past have brighter luck in future because they work regularly to achieve the fruitful results.

If once you don't get the desired outcomes don't think that your luck is not good but try and try again one day you will achieved the best possible chance because of efforts as well as luck.

Success begins with effort, but luck only comes after effort. Very unsure that success is determined by luck without any effort although the success is not something that is guaranteed even though you have tried.

The flow might be like this: Attempt - success - luck.

I also believe that success is not luck because in essence it is not gambling, especially in business. You have to work on growing your business until you find it financially successful, so it's hard work that basically never makes sense to call it luck.

No matter how affluent and fortunate an individual may be, if he won't grind and work hard, all will still be wasted. In my opinion, dedication is the key to a successful life. If you refrain from trying, luck won't get you far in life.
I think there are some extremely lucky persons in some professions, but they undoubtedly worked hard to keep what good fortune had given them. There are also underprivileged individuals who were born into poverty but have elevated their lives through a desire to succeed.

Exactly, if you don't exert effort then the probability for you to success will be slim. Imagine you just wait for luck to happen without changing something in your life like your lifestyle. You're just waiting for miracle to happen everyday and not looking for opportunity to grow and learn. As we learn everyday it would have a great impact to us and will eventually pays off at the end of the day. Consistency of your hard work is also one of the factor for you to succeed in life.

How come anything is possible to achieve without doing any effort,  your achievements success totally depends on your efforts and hard work luck can be an additional factor in that but not fully depend on your luck.
Hard work makes everything possible and your success depends upon that.

Luck can play a role in success, it may present opportunities but it depends on the individuals to take advantage of them through their own efforts and persistence. But luck alone is not enough to guarantee success. Hard work, perseverance and other factors can also play significant role to attain success. Ultimately success is a combination of luck and effort. Success can be defined in many different ways and what may be considered lucky or successful for one person may not be the same for another.

That is why others will say, "Work hard, opportunity will come." This is like when you are finding a job, keep applying until you find one because you'll be lucky if you get hired, but still, it is your hard work, like you have those skills. Luck really involves anything, but if you ain't working or doing anything like you've said, even that opportunity that comes to your friend if you are lazy will still not work, and you don't own houses, cars, or real estate.

Success will never happen with just a glimpse of luck, there should be hard work and efforts put into it so you can achieve your desired goal. Though sometimes luck does not favor you and make you feel discouraged, but do not stop there. Life is not a matter of luck, but certainly it’s a matter of choice. Whatever you face right now, it’s the outcome of your choices, and not because you were not lucky enough to become successful. So work hard and be persistent on your goal, and let your luck do the rest.

well it's like 50:50 both are needed in the road to success. if you try but it fails because of misfortune it's like the thing that makes us disappointed. but this luck does not come from effort but from our supplication to god. Luck is invisible so we have to know when we should feel lucky when we shouldn't chase something if it becomes a failure in the future.

People who get success can sometimes have a distorted view of how they arrived there. They often overlook all the tried and failed attempts at business ideas, which many others would never even attempt. Luck can play a small part, but it's often a case of generating your own luck and that is the key difference. If you are pro-active, going out to seek new fortune, it is different than never attempting anything at all - hoping that it will fall into your lap. There is a big difference with many examples in business, like choosing to focus on one product or service while cutting loose the other less profitable ones, it's a small step but it is based on reasoned prior experience rather than some defined fate.

Agree that to get success, we need to work hard and try our best, there is no success without trade-offs. But luck also plays an important role, and I also believe that we cannot succeed without luck. Luck is an invisible thing, we won't be able to see it as our efforts, but if some people are observant or believe in spirituality, they will feel it. For those who always think that hard work will bring success, that is not wrong, but there is still an element of luck in it, they just don't want to believe it.

Of course this cannot be denied, in real life many successful people depend on luck not hard work, I often meet rich people and they don't graduate from elementary school, or vice versa the poor and unemployed but they come from the best university graduates, in my opinion for success the most important thing is mindset, people who don't go to school can be successful because they focus on the goal of being successful, of course they experience many failures but don't stop.

Oh I love this one. Because it's true what you say that at least between hard work and luck does have a 50:50 ratio. both are important in achieving success. and can not just with one of them. Well, we can also get luck when we are more diligent in praying to Allah SWT. I often do. Before starting anything, I always start by praying to Allah SWT so that every effort I make will be given good luck and smoothness. After that, I worked hard and enjoyed the process. And now I have achieved what I used to dream of, namely having an independent business. even though it's still small but this already makes me happy. Everything requires hard work and a lot of learning that we have to learn along the way. it's not easy at first but it gets easier once you get used to it. I thank Allah SWT for bringing me on the path that I am currently on. In fact, I am grateful to be in this forum because I can share stories with others and motivate and learn from fellow members of this forum.

luck will never come if we stay silent. Fishing for luck is also by trying your best. we can't force success based on what we want. it may fail. but trying your best is the way to have no regrets in the future.111

As your uncles are now successful businessmen now if you start a business you will get good support from them which is very much needed for the business to flourish. Those who don't have anyone to guide them in business understand basically how difficult it is for them to rise from zero and they have to face challenges every moment.  But you will get that direction from your uncles. And you will try to be less dependent on luck. You have to make your own luck. If you don't take any initiative and just wait for luck then is it possible to achieve success in your life at all. Along with luck, you have to try yourself, effort, hard work, luck, all these things come together to achieve success in life.

Luck comes after efforts and hard work  and success comes with your hardwork and determination so this concept is wrong your luck can't determine you or your success.  If you want to succeed in life you can't just sit idle and wait for luck to work for you instead of that you have to move and put effort in your work to get success.

There is no substitute for hard work. If one works hard then success can be a long way ahead and later luck will enable him to take it to the final stage quickly. But those who stick to it can definitely get good results. But those who rely only on luck without hard work they will not get the desired position. Sufficient experience is required to run a business. A businessperson must acquire all those skills otherwise have the possibility to lose in business.

everyone wants to be successful in running a business that they are currently developing, as you said that success is luck but we also need effort in carrying out a job don't rely too much on luck, many people are successful today thanks to their hard work ups and downs in facing every situation and for me only some get lucky for them without trying to be successful and usually there is a background that comes from people who are already capable.

If you are not lucky in life you have bad things happen all the time.

Last month an F2 tornado missed my house by 2500 feet.

I was lucky.

Please note F2 tornado in New Jersey is very rare.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3K51Rj59pjY

look at what it did to homes in my town.

Luck is why I did not suffer that to my home.


So being a success is work and luck combined.

All that worked hard to become successful and did succeed had luck and hard work in their favor.

What I know is that we have something called "Life is a Journey" and Life is a destiny" It seems like this is the belief of others that most poor people are born poor and die poor. Which is not me. believe that "Life is a destiny. Because we have a choice to get out of the poverty of the life we are in.

     And if you are the person who does not want to remain poor for the rest of your life, you will now find a way to get out and get the dream you want through the opportunities and systems you will apply. Now if you are a poor person and you bet on the lottery and suddenly you get the jackpot prize of let's say 1M$ it can be said to be luck because the only effort is to go to the lottery outlet and just to bet.

I agree with you, to achieve success in our life actually requires consistent effort and hard work. While luck can be an additional factor that helps, continued success rarely comes down to sheer luck. so, Hard work is the key factor to be able to make people successful.

For me Luck is where Preparedness meets Opportunity. So actually luck can be made and it can't suddenly come alone. Success requires long preparation, success is also not a gift, ability is defeated by will.
those who say "success is luck" only weaken competitors so as not to overtake those who are successful.

Honestly some individuals did absolutely all the needed requirement to become successful unfortunately luck wasn't on their side despite all their efforts which was in futile, meanwhile some did even lesser than those requirement fortunately they became successful thus it is an equal chance of becoming successful, though in some cases country of residence also determine success, for instance we can't compare success rate in a developed country with the success rate of a developing country due to disparities in amenities and infrastructures that will bring about success with a little luck those countries.

To what extent we strive then it will determine the level of success. The success of hard work is not luck, but the result of hard work. It is not a matter of gambling whose success is based on luck. Of course destiny will determine the result of hard work. Fate is different from luck. So it's not right to say fate or luck.

Your uncles might be trying to be humble may be so that you won't think they are proud, though I like the fact that you mentioned that are hard workers because luck will only work for you if you tread on that path. Some people just got lucky either to have rich parents or parents with connections but without these two you have to work for your luck to become successful

I study cryptocurrency trading and interesting statistic is that margin traders go bankrupt after a few months and inexperienced spot traders go bankrupt within a year. Probably everyone wants to get rich quick and do not want to spend a lot of time on training. If you can stay in the game for as long as possible, then you will make fewer mistakes and start earning. I think that the big risks that traders or businessmen take are the cause of many failures. Some of the people win, of course, but we must not forget that for one winner there are dozens of people who lose.

Most of the time when I hear people that depend on luck, they are a little lazy and lack effort in order to have better lives. Probably because whether they work hard or not, fate will determine their success, which is not a good mentality. Your uncles have the same mentality on luck but their stories are different, they work very hard which is commendable and they really deserved to be where they are now, successful businessmen.

For me, luck is like 50/50 so we better not depend on it. Let's say that a hard worker has much bad luck in life, he will continue to live normally or a little below that line compared to a lazy person with strings of bad luck in life.

Maybe it's true that luck is one of our indicators of success, but we can't stop trying and waiting for luck to come to us, and what's more important is how we use that luck as best we can.

And this could change the view of what OP had said about success as it was not purely luck but also hard work. Hardworking and patient people often gain success compared to impatient people. Because success won't come too easily and never comes to us if we don't chase it. Definitely, we need to find a way to reach it like we are climbing a mountain and then reaching the top as the finish point.
As we more determined to get our goal in life, it was not impossible to earn success but yes, it takes time and probably years.

The problem is, we don't know when luck will come. so there's no such thing as an ideal word for using luck as best you can, even that sounds a little biased. even so, we agree that success will not come if there is no action and effort. all of that, depending on ourselves.

I always believe, if luck and success go hand in hand. the two are related to one another. there is no luck without effort, let alone success. everything, has its way but it must be accompanied by effort, hard work, then let luck decide. we are very well aware, that luck is not always on our side even though we have tried as hard as possible. but that does not mean, success is determined by luck, especially without effort. yes, as the title of this thread. In essence, everyone has their own understanding of the definition of success. and everyone, has a way to achieve success even though the luck has not been with us. but one thing for sure, every process will never betray the result. similarly every effort will get results, but it all depends on how we go through the process.

From my perspective , success is basically determined by both combined ( Luck + Effort )  and undoubtedly there is a plenty of other important factors who could help you in order to get a short cut way to achieve goals such as intelligence, discipline, decisiveness, confidence and creativity.  In addition to that, I truly believe that  continuous  improvement  is one the main keys to achieve success. The condition always changes by time and the future is unfortunately not promised , you should adapt yourself in every new situation , fix mistakes and create opportunities , that’s how you can improve your productivity and efficiency.

Both luck and efforts play significant roles to success. When you’re lucky, you get vast opportunities in life  which will be life changing for you. But that won’t ends there. You need to put an action in every opportunity that comes, and take calculated risks so you can make the most of it. Endless efforts should be made at least so that success will be a guaranteed one along with your patience and perseverance in everything that you do.

luck not only plays a part in our success, but in my opinion, it also plays an important role in our success.  if we are unlucky, opportunities will never come our way, that's why there are still many people who work hard but fail because they don't meet or seize any opportunities. but when there is an opportunity, we must work for it to succeed, we will not succeed if we do nothing.  You are right, luck and effort are necessary and sufficient conditions for a person to be successful.

I respect your opinion of or viewpoint on your uncles, but I am confident that their success was not solely due to luck; rather, it was their hard work and good judgment, and luck was simply a bonus. For instance, you might claim that they got a big client because of pure luck, but the truth is that they did so because they worked so hard beforehand and those clients had recommended them. Although you still stated that you would make an effort and attempt to make luck work in your favor, I don't see anything wrong with you, so just keep working hard and making an effort regardless of what you think about luck.

I understand that success is often influenced by many factors such as effort, perseverance, skill and even luck. Effort and perseverance make it possible for people to achieve their goals, create opportunities and exploit the unexpected to make their work more efficient. However, luck and external factors can play an important role in success. Therefore, we should not view success as simply luck or just overcoming effort. Instead, to achieve success, we need to combine effort and perseverance with taking advantage of opportunities and being willing to accept luck and other external factors to achieve our goals.

I think that luck is the thing which creates billionaires. As for people who achieved financial stability and some grade of prosperity, this is more about dedication and being smart (as you correctly mentioned). Making efforts is, I think, enough to have a good, or even really high income, luck is the main factor in billionaire-scale earnings.

Billionares are created by hardworking people who are genious and who make use of every opportunity given to them,  who have good leadership qualities who know how to make use people potential.
Luck can be a factor in success but that's secondary , primary thing is your efforts and determination.

Success can never happen when there’s no luck and efforts put together. Luck alone is not sustainable, much more on efforts as everything should be work out so that a desired goal will be reached. That’s why in order to be successful in life, one must attract luck and efforts altogether. You must be lucky and optimistic to see life’s opportunities, and then take advantage of them while opportunities are still within your control.

No one says you depend on or rely on luck for success. First, you need to work and try your best, and if fate gives you the opportunity plus tireless efforts, you will succeed. Luck is just one of many factors that help us succeed, it is not the key to our success.
People who get a large amount of money through luck, like winning the lottery, and if they don't work hard, they will also become poor quickly.

“Luck is just one of many factors that help us succeed, it is not the key to our success.” On the contrary, luck is the key to our success although there are many factors that contribute to success. Anything that is successfully done can be copied except luck. I believe you are quite a hard worker but what you may lack is just luck. Speaking of your winning a lottery case and losing money quickly if mishandled, that’s a perfect example for what comes around goes around, it has nothing to do with “success” or “hard work”.

You know you can’t tell that those who have been working for long and succeed in their businesses are only dependent on their hard work and efforts. For sure they also prayed for luck that will favor whatever their decisions they made in their business. And when both luck and efforts are combined, that will attract more positive vibes so that success could easily come in. I guess that’s why Chinese businessmen are very successful when it comes to business because they always let their luck and efforts work together to create high chances for success.

Usually luck comes unexpectedly, although everyone should always try their best to see the potential results of the work they have done. Because the luck factor is something that absolutely cannot be reached or guessed by anyone even though he has worked as hard as possible in his life. Luck does exist, but you can't realize when it will come to us, so there is also truth in what you said, that everyone should not stop trying and hope for good results for themselves.

Yes, it is true but until people can't put effort they will not able to get success in life only luck can't work. Luck gives us  success directly but hard work lessons us success with lots of experience, skills and some time failure lesson too. Both are important and hard work often plays a more important role over time so, we must balanced both to get successful.

There are some people that become successful because of luck maybe a few percent, but not only luck that bring them to successful life but also they are smart, and they work hard for it. I think no one will become successful if they don't have a brain to run a business and no one will become successful if they don't work hard, working hard with smart mind together with luck is maybe the key to successful business not just luck.

Well, in this case, conditions like that can still happen, but on the other hand, talking about looking for opportunities beforehand, I might focus on this because of course we also have to be aware that I won't mention that it was luck, but the result of the hard work that he had previously built.
You said that your brother has a high spirit of hard work and when he gets a big project and succeeds there it is not luck but the result he has learned from previous hard work.
I was often told by my parents "what you plant is what you pick" in this case I actually think that is what was meant. when you are lazy then indeed success will not come by itself, even though it may exist but the ratio is very small and it can only be counted on fingers. but it's different from us looking for and taking advantage of all the momentum with continuous effort, so indirectly we go straight to the success that comes our way.

In the past I would have opposed the OP's idea but having been in the business world long enough and gotten the opportunity to interact with multimillionaires I agree with your argument. One of the richest men in my country came from a generation of industrialist who thrived on monopoly. They lobby the government and crush whatever competition they face. He is rich in billions of dollars and luck played a role. How? First, he came from a very wealthy family which served to position him to achieve success in business. Second, he is lucky to always have the government on his side against competitions.

The way to success is hard working you can just sit for house and be successful is not possible, hard working and luck walk together, the reason why I'm saying this, is because lazy person can never have an opportunity to success manner can never fall from heaven, the most hardest work is humble and obedience, if like be the smartest person on earth if you don't have obedient and loyalty, that smartness is vain, because people will not talk good about you, even if a chance come in, when some people want to give you, some will say no we can't give this chance that disrespectful boy/girl, successful is hard working.

Anyone who had succeed out specially into those casual physical offline or physical business then it does really indeed able to require that soo much hardwork and effort that had been made.Yes,it could really be mixed up with some luck but its not only the main factor which would really be able to make you a successful businessman/entrepreneur or whatever you've been dealing with if you arent really that wise on making decisions.It just turns out that there are people who do just keeping on saying that default thing that they were lucky.

Yes, there's a point into that but those are just sliding up the conversation because once people would usually be speaking into this kind of topic, they do usually be ending up on asking on how they have
done it literally or simply be asking on what are the methods or ways they have done which are supposed to be private or some sort. Therefore, it do really ends up on speaking about
being lucky because they do assume out on where this talks would usually be falling on and for sure it would really be falling down into the situation that i had mentioned above.

So from that it would be very funny if indeed this was only considered as luck which was the biggest factor but forgetting the conditions in which they worked very hard before.
Things like this do depend on how one's attitude is, but for me appreciating hard work from the start is also very important because even though luck in exploiting momentum is also very important, in this case we are of course aware that we are actually doing business with careful planning and on the basis that we have it with the belief that it will get better, not like gambling, which is done only hoping for luck to come.

Yes you have  point there are some people who jnherit success like money and bank balances they don't have to work hard for that and life is a piece of cake fir them. They are born with a silver spoon in their mouth but there are few people who have to earn everything on their own they are self-made people who works hard to achieve everything in life .
So both the cases exists in our world and we experience many cases but they question Is who are the good ones those who got everything in their plates or those who worked hard for everything?

Success is not just hard work but working smartly with some atom of luck to trigger it up to an extend where it will be more conducive for one to reach the height that had been set. Apart from working smartly it is also very good when we create rapport with people around us so when opportunity comes we could be considered because we had created a strong bond around the society and people around us.

 Having a good connection is what usually attract opportunity to us that would boost our skills that we had gain to explore. Smart work with rapport with people around us brings opportunity to us. Then we can proceed to getting work we want to a greater height.

I think they are both needed. how do you know your luck if you don't try it. but if it fails learn to be patient and don't give up. that no luck comes from a lack of effort. it all starts with effort and hard work. we will be able to see in the future when we have put out the maximum effort. if luck can be reached without effort, I think the world is unfair, but those who are lucky must also experience bitterness as long as they try to succeed.

they both are in line. you will get luck when you try. if you just keep silent luck will never come. and if you just think it will only make you stay in place without doing anything to pick up luck. I'm sure every desire there must be success, don't give up easily, you will get luck at the right time.

lol. How can you assume like that, until the end of the world you will never be able to feel success if you just hope for luck without any effort. Luck is in the last part after Effort, Creativity and patience in pursuing Business.
For me, luck is a bonus from the hard work done so far. People always wish for good luck after years of trying to achieve success.

I also don't completely agree with the OP's point in saying that success is all about luck, not effort. But it is also undeniable that, without luck, our efforts can hardly bring success. For me, when the opportunity comes is called luck, it is not necessarily created from effort, and taking advantage of the opportunity to achieve success is due to our efforts. Every successful person needs these 2 factors, I don't believe anyone can achieve success without luck, although effort is more appreciated and vice versa. No one can succeed without trade-offs or without effort.

......And sometimes what you might plant might not even get picked in the end and it just goes -poof- gone. Same goes for some other people's dreams that they dreamed the most. You just gotta suck it up that everything will not always go your way.
Your race, your birth place, your luck overall will affect on the probability of you getting what you wanted. It's just the broken reality there, bud. I can recall some seniors in my workplace being praised while just sitting their ass off without doing anything for 9 hours almost.

You bring opportunities by doing hardwork and your luck decides whether you truly deserve that kind of success. It's just the same thing for everybody. If you were born in a rich family, you would have it easy meanwhile being a poor family would still go long ways just to even start your career.

There is a reason why the government is always on his side against the competition.  Obviously, the government doesn't just appear and say they favor that guy against the competitor.  There should be underhand tactics in there.  There is an effort made so that these officials will side on that person.  Not because we don't understand how things is done, it can be called luck.  I may say luck probably stroke the guy once but the effort that person made created a stream of possibilities for his business to flourish.  You cannot just wait for luck to happen in order for your business to be successful.  

At most of consideration for luck, I can say it is the combination of both but at the bare minimum, I can say effort does the trick.


Well said, I also think luck is created by effort.  In business no effort = no profit.  Business does not thrive on luck but on endless hard works and efforts done by the owner.

The question of what drives success is indeed an ongoing debate, and various perspectives exist based on individual experience of life. Therefore, It is challenging to reach a definitive conclusion that either luck or effort is sole determinant of success. However, drawing from my extensive life experience,  I personnel believe that luck opens the doors of opportunities and effort play important role in capitalizing on and materializing the advantages associated with those opportunities.

all of that is true but know that everything is in line and the beginning is effort, if there is no effort how could there be chance and luck.
I don't believe in any of that, I believe in myself, when I want and get up to start trying then opportunity and luck will accompany it.
get up and try if you want to be successful, don't ever expect anything if you don't create it yourself.

It sounds like you have learned a lot from your uncles and their stories of success. I agree that luck plays a role in life, but I also think that hard work and perseverance are essential to create and seize opportunities.

I also agree with what you are saying, because it is clear that luck can be expected after maximum effort. This means that hard work in achieving something you want is the main thing that must exist even though the level of luck cannot be estimated precisely by those who are trying. But it's true that luck will never come to those who just wait without having any effort from themselves, so it's clear in this case that effort is the main route to success in the hope of getting a greater level of luck.

Trying something by never giving up because bitterness is part of effort and also part of patience in facing every challenge. And from the many examples that many people can see, those who have been successful are those who always start their business with struggles and never complain about bitter conditions. Because they know that success will never come when someone is sitting still doing nothing, which is why I say effort is the main thing that must exist if you want to achieve success in life.

Come from a wealthy family, that's called luck, and they are more likely to succeed thanks to a solid foundation from the beginning. Indeed, luck plays an extremely important role in anyone's career success, but many people always think that is not true, and they consider themselves talented. I am sure that without luck no one will succeed. But successful people are like that, always conceited and arrogant, always thinking they are good without anyone's help, and do not believe in luck.

It's a reality and almost 75% of people born into wealthy families who own businesses will pass it on. I mean they have much greater luck compared to people who are born from poor families, most children of rich people must be taught to take control of their father's business and from a young age they have been forged and directed for that.

Although in general not all children born to wealthy business owners will be as successful as following their fathers, in reality almost 75% of them follow their father's success. Having opportunities and having everything is the way to achieve success whereas people who have nothing have to struggle hard to achieve all of that.

Luck is also based on hard work, but talking about opportunity is the same as comparing a child born to a business family with a child born to a poor family. Different parenting styles and family education will give birth to different thoughts, the value of arrogance also refers to the upbringing of their parents, but we also often find poor people who become rich are far more arrogant than children born in business families.

Nope

all the effort creativity and patience in the world only will work if luck allows it.


Now you still need effort creativity and patience but bad luck will always be able to stop that.

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Edit a good example of why luck is a number 1 factor

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last month tornados hit my area I had good luck.

https://abc7ny.com/new-jersey-storm-damage-nj-howell-township-jackson/13076577/

No one was hurt from the damage and there was lots of it.

So the luck was good that no one died.

BTW NJ, USA is not a tornado state we go years with out them.

Weather can drill you if it does not good luck
Earthquakes can drill you if it does not good luck.

In Aug 1986 I went to San Franciso for my honeymoon.
In Oct 1989 it was hit by an Earth Quake

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4LFu91Xrw0

We went over the bridge that collapsed and killed people.

We went under the overpassed that collapsed and killed people.

But our luck was good  we were at the wrong place but we were there at a good time.

So luck is why I am typing this. Not hard work and good deeds.

BTW there was a small earthquake last night in New York


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2023/05/19/earthquake-new-york-westchester-county/70234927007/


So I am fine not by any effort but by luck it was small.

Luck can be a factor in your success but hard work matters alot in your life , if you don't work hard for anything how can you expect to get anything even success.
Yes generation wise success is a fact that you get from your forefathers but still I will stand with hardworking people who are self-made.
The people who are born with silver spoons in their mouth don't know the value of success or anything .

Before a success can emerge, it has to be a dependent on this one her factors which are luck and hardworks, in being a hard-working man, you also need luck, which will be a proof to your hardworks, it makes one not to struggles continually in life, luck can be use in place of being favoured, though sometimes it's not also by hardworks but by mercy, but for every committed and serious persons in life, they will definitely come across one these at some point in life, the time frame of each individual may vary from the other to be successful in life, and lastly opportunity is what capped them all, being poor is missing opportunities repeatedly in life.

Like I said, I have not seen anyone succeed without trade-offs, if someone gets rich without effort, they will have to trade with all they have. Success and wealth don't just fall from the sky. And I agree with you, if we want to achieve something, we need to stand up and work hard to get there.
But if you say you don't believe in anything but yourself, I disagree. I don't believe anyone can succeed without anyone's help. No one can be alone, go to success alone, and stand on top of glory without help. When you succeed, there will always be someone to accompany you.

It is one of the other possibilities but in this case when talking about success there must be a lot of obstacles there regardless of anything something like that will definitely happen because indeed when we do everything other than there are obstacles in the process there will definitely be competitors so in this is as much as possible relationships are also needed and I think when the performance we do is good regardless of cheating or not in the end I don't think it will betray the results to be obtained.
When you talk about race or whatever it is that is related to discrimination you should be aware of the environment because of course walking in an unhealthy environment then we will not be healthy forever, right? When your performance is good then the relationship will exist and the choice is yours. You work with people who do nothing and get praised. You have to see whether your environment is healthy or not because in such conditions you also have to rack your brains to survive.

I too always think that usually the thing that makes many successful are always luck, like many have mentioned coming from a rich family is a blessing on its own and it doesn't just mean you gonna have smoother journey in building your business financially but also you will have more solid foundation and good connection to the important people than every one else, and being lucky enough to come from such family of course everyone would say that's some massive luck right there.
the media always shows us the successful people out there that successfully building their business from scratch but never mentioned their lucky moments, it also gives illusion that there are many people out there compared with the failed ones meanwhile i'm sure there are so many failed people that have tried their best yet still unsuccessful anyway.

I also prefer to settle down, mingle and struggle with hardworking people who never complain because they have been educated independently by their own family environment since birth. But I also don't blame those who are born with a silver spoon in their mouth, because that belongs to their parents and they don't know anything about life either. So it's also important not to blame those who are born with luxury as long as they are not self-aware to fight in their lives as their own parents did in the past or before they were born.

The wise generation is the generation that is able to succeed without expecting an inheritance from their own parents even though the treasure is worthy and he has the right to be expected. But I will appreciate those who are successful independently with their own efforts without expecting help from their own parents even though their parents also have the right to help their children become successful. Because basically every parent does not have the heart to see their child miserable in life.

Luck is also important along with the hard work and smart work. In my personal experience when we go with our hardwork and smartwork we will be able to be rich and turn successful in life and profession. This takes time, but the luckiest will be able to achieve what we've achieved in a short time period. This is simple as a hero's son getting an opportunity to act in a movie and a common man getting opportunity to act in a movie. The common man need to be lucky or else he should work hard for years and later he can be seen on movies.

This is not entirely true, I would say it depends on the personality of each person. There are rich people who are very arrogant and extravagant because they always think they have a rich background, even if they fail, they still have another way to get rich quickly. But there are also people who succeed from poverty and are very understanding because they have gone through a lot of suffering and difficulties in life to get where they are today. Therefore, they will always know how to treat others and their subordinates with humility. They understand that scorning and belittling others does not make them more respected.

for us human beings who are religious, success cannot be separated from effort and prayer. after we work hard and smart then the final result will be decisive, beyond our strength. often people do business and plans that have been well laid out, but in the end things don't go according to what was planned. with prayer can make our psychology more stable, so this will provide more optimal work. it's the same with trading, we do everything to be able to control our emotions so we can think healthy

You don't have to be prepared to jam luck, the luck can in addition help your weakness to make you sufficient for the task ahead. I would not support as the Op's makes title the heading look but the information contained is good. Luck can not be the fundamental, effort should be, but the luck can be added to it. You can not be a useless and think luck will just work for you like that. You have to get prepared and know what to do when you are offered a task. This is where you get prepared and let the opportunity and luck do the rest.

Those how think it is about working all the time in the hard way that success is made may want to rethink, success can come through any means and you may be less qualified but luck will help out.

In the previous post I said that it depends on their family's upbringing and most of them will end up with a parenting style that is fully provided by their parents and this parenting style is what makes them understand how to respect others and not be arrogant. Of course it does not guarantee that everyone can behave well for those who are born in rich families or those who struggle to earn wealth with their efforts and hard work. Education is important so that they are able to respect everyone, both employees and anyone with whom they have a relationship.

The last point you mentioned about the rich thinking that even if they fail they have a chance to struggle again because their parents had a lot of capital will also end up failing, the concept is not how much capital they have but how they can thrive. Without a vision and mission, any business that they develop will end in failure, because they do not have a concept in developing the business they are living.

Back to the upbringing factor and indeed not everyone is the same, both rich people who are inherited by their parents and rich people who struggle with their hard work, are arrogant and like to belittle other people are a form of disrespect for oneself and because of this this is the factor that will destroy them. The point is I see how someone has ethics, empathy and mutual respect for one another, when the parenting they receive is good then I'm sure they will behave well to everyone.

I disagree.

It's the combination of both actually. You cannot be lucky most of the time, so you still need effort. For example, you cannot make your business big if what you're doing always is just sleeping and not planning anything, you need to put some effort to make a plan, financial management, and of course hiring suitable employees.

If you're going to make luck as your everyday excuse, then you're not going anywhere.

Indeed, the factor (luck) has a key role, they were born destined that way, maybe everyone's skill, skill, big name can do it, but it's the luck factor that makes the difference. However, don't rely too much on luck saying ah he got lucky, I didn't. luck is indeed possible but once in a while successful people don't just rely on luck, but definitely through planning, must have extraordinary skills and have a very extraordinary vision and mission for the future.

As with successful people like Steve Job and Warren Buffet, they said in one of their interviews that success is due to luck. Actually they say that because they just want to humble themselves, basically because they have above average skills and have a vision and mission.

I disagree, in my own opinion hardwork and effort is the key to success. It just so happen that some people that you call them lucky is that is their season of winning, I believe that everyone of us has its own timeline and season what works for them sometimes doesn't work for us or sometimes it helps other people but not us. Maybe luck could be applied to gambling but in overall success, I did not agree.

Its actually both and basing on my own opinion then it would be having that partition of 90% hardwork and 10% luck if we do speak about mixing it up which it would really be still having that
possible outcome but mostly it would really be pertaining about hard work because everything couldnt really be ending up successful if you arent really that wise on how to handle up your business.
You cant totally rely in speaking about business or other similar venture on which you would really be just depending on how lucky you are.This isnt really a gambling game on which you do
put up some money and just let the  rest works for you which we know that it cant be that possible or something a realistic approach. For those people who do say that they are just
that lucky then dont believe it, it is really just that this one shows that you have done the best thing for you to reach out that success on what  you are dealing with.

Are you talking about jackpot winners of lottery or other gambling-related activities?


I think the other way around.  The hero's son is lucky because he got the backup of his father's influence while the common man needs to work hard and do more effort to be recognized by the talent manager.

Regardless success is always determined by the effort made and not by the so-called luck factor because in the business world, luck can't produce goods or services, only hard effort do.