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I have noticed that my sub-board's moderator is inactive (mitzie (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=210680)) nearly two months now. Recently the Greek board experienced a sort of spam tornado in this thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5437269.0), which intrudes the forum rules[1], and I don't believe there's any staff member who would notice my report (there aren't lots who speak Greek to begin with, let alone to moderate the board).

I have also dedicated a decent part of my time in bitcointalk. I registered in March 2020, close to 3 years, and I haven't stopped being active for more than 3 days for once. For those reasons, I want to apply for the moderator position in my local board as I believe I am the most suited.

[1] Trolling, spamming, zero value posts, and among all that, it's off-topic as well.

How much active the board is? Unless the board is huge active and generating a lot of spam, I don't think theymos is going to add a moderator for that board.
And you also know what rules of considering yourself as a moderator, to report more and more. I'm sure you did that.

Two months? It will be hard to convince theymos for this I think.

Good luck with your application.

You would make an excellent moderator. Good luck with your application buddy.  :)

If the current moderator is indeed inactive, I really hope @theymos will consider your application as soon as possible.

In the meantime, it would be awesome if another moderator could take care of the reported posts on the Greek board. Bitcointalk doesn't need another local section which becomes a spamfest tbh.

Greek board is pretty small. If you report posts Global Moderators can handle them. There are a lot of local boards that don't have a dedicated moderator. Even big boards like Politics & Society and Beginners & Help don't have a dedicated moderator for a long time but Global Moderators do great job there. So I don't think theymos will add new moderators unless hundreds of new reports come from those local boards.

I think above members misunderstood BlackHatCoiner request. He requested a new moderator for his local board but did not say he applied for that position.

I know he is one of best candidates for that position but if anything happens to find a new moderator for that local board, theymos will create a community vote before a final decision is out.

It is a formal procedure afaik.

New moderator needed (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1764772.0) (Korean)
Who is able and willing to moderate the Politics & Society section? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3292413.0)

The board isn't very active.

Maybe. But, current moderator being inactive isn't the only reason I apply. I've been the most active user whose mother tongue is Greek, and on top of that, I'm willing to help anybody who joins the sub-board.

I'm genuinely curious to see how a person who doesn't speak Greek can verify that my report is accurate.

No, I do want to be the moderator, indeed. I acknowledge the responsibility, but as I said, I recognize myself as the most suited for that position.

Want or not and apply for that position or not, if theymos want to find a new moderator for that board, he will make a community vote and do his checking before you get his assignment. Maybe I could be wrong and missed moderator assignment cases in the past without community vote.

theymos is so careful with his decisions which are made after in-depth consideration and investigation.

Good luck with your application :D

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Funny thinking but it can be a bond between being a moderator and become a Chipmixer member OR being a Chipmixer member and become a moderator (maybe you will be a first case but well deserved I think).

With the experience in Bitcointalk and observing everything closely I am afraid you will have some people who will criticize your wish. If you have decent number of haters then it will continue pages after pages.

This type of wish is better to express in PM to either theymos or Cyrus. Just my 2 cents.

Bitcointalk have long years of history, active for three years may not be the only criteria for selecting a moderator. If there are others who are worthy to mention then you can talk to them too. All of you can work together to have the best one for your local board while we have two global moderators can help you sometimes. Increase the number of reports and let them do their work while you are working on growing some attention for the application.

Mods don't have to speak your language in order to moderate your board and remove spam (I guess they use Google translate). It won't be perfect of course and it would be much better if you have their own board, but if you report those posts, mods will most likely remove/merge as it is a blatant breaking of forum rules. For example, Croatian local board doesn't have own moderators for the last few years ever since Lauda was removed so now we depend on the global mod sorting our reports. Earlier today I reported spam topic in our board and it was deleted in a matter of few hours.

https://i.postimg.cc/XYSNQ0N2/Screenshot-2023-01-31-at-15-35-24-Your-reports.png


Anyway, good luck with your request and I do hope that you get local mod appointed. We asked for the same few years ago but so far we didn't get any reply yet, maybe because our local board is pretty clean and doesn't have too much spam. I personally think that every local board should have their own mod and that role could be much more than just being a police but I guess those in charge don't agree.

No mate, he clearly stated in the OP which you may have missed.


It's not a good option but global moderator is always moderating all the local threads. For example, our local thread- Bengali. I think they depend on automated translator + reporting history maybe. Well, Xandry has even posted in our local thread. Don't know how he landed there lol but through the help of automated translator, he has helped someone.

I always have thought you are from Russia, can't remember how I started thinking it lol.

OP, I think there are lot of board currently moderated by global mod including local board, Begginers and Help and other languages. But it never hurts to apply to be moderator as long as you believe your local board needs one, but I guess admin have their way before deciding who is best suited for the task.

It's good idea to keep reporting ^{[''Trolling, spamming, zero value posts, and among all that, it's off-topic as well'']} to mods so they realize your local board needs proper moderation. I think there's little chance of you getting promoted as mod by applying, but who knows - maybe you just might get lucky with this app. Good luck to you.

There must be some moderator who is responsible for your local board, maybe it's Cyrus or someone else.
All you can do is report spam posts and to active local community to be more active.... and from Rikafip monthly reports, Greek board is mostly at bottom for activity.

Good luck with that request, and be ready to grow old waiting  :D
Croatian local board had moderator long time ago, than he was removed and theymos asked us to choose new moderator, but that never happened.
We tried to raise this question several times and I think we asked theymos again with PM but he didn't reply anything... I don't know why.

Moderation in local boards seem to be difficult question. There is few local boards which are more active than Greek and don't have their moderator. Croatia or India for example. And I don't know reason behind it. Maybe theymos see tha these boards don't have activity to have dedicated mod and global mod is enough. But IMO, it's better to have dedicated mod who knows that language, even if that board isn't very active. Especially if there is suitable person for that job. Maybe it's question of trust for theymos.

Google Translate is doing it's job quite well nowadays, it's not same terrible thing with nonsense translations as 10 years ago. But offcourse, it can't replace native speaker.

at first i seen this and though oh no blackhat wants to be another achowe wannabe clone moderating with personal bias.
but then i thought maybe a little responsibility might snap blackhat out of his personal prospectives, to think outside the box, outside the social club houses he belongs to. to keep moderation responsibility separate from his personal ideals

maybe if blackhat can moderate without a slant leaning of favouring certain topics over others or users over others due to some social drama he has occupied. he might learn what responsibility is. plus maybe challenge himself to not fall into the social club biases he fell into before.

EG will he be a moderator that deletes posts because someone is just stating the obvious which goes against his personal beliefs, thus retaining confirmation bias by deleting anything that goes against his beliefs. or because he is sticking to what the forum rules say is allowable or not. because the 2 concepts are very different things

i do hope blackhat does not go the achowe route
and instead accepts the challenge to take on some responsibility, which may help him grow and be inspired to see things from a broader landscape.

so because that subcategory is already set to have moderator, yet lacks an active one. maybe give blackhatcoiner a chance and see if he can moderate respectfully rather than with bias.
we might even see a better blackhat come out from the experience

I believe relying on a machine translator isn't better practice than having a native speaker of that language as moderator.

I don't have a firsthand experience with the Croatian board, maybe there is a global moderator who knows Croatian, or maybe it's sufficient for a global moderator to translate using a machine translator for the Croatian board. I'm not 100% sure, I just make my observations, one of which is: if you've found a somewhat established, trustworthy, active forum user who's been accurate on reporting posts elsewhere and who natively speaks the local board's language, then it's more appropriate to have him moderate the board than a global moderator who's more prone to failure.

As far as I know, the only Greek moderator is mitzie.

Maybe theymos or a global moderator can enlighten us.

Try translating the posts from the thread I linked, and tell me if you can verify that it's off-topic, zero value, trolling and spamming. I'll wait.

Rules above personal interests. That is taken for granted.

Afaik no global mods speaks Croatian and they probably rely on Google translate to moderate ours. Its pretty much the same thing for "Other languages/locations" as all of them, are moderated by Cyrus and i doubt he speaks all those languages there.


I 100% agree with you that it would make more sense to have a native speaker moderating local board than relying on Google translate, but unfortunately we weren't lucky in our request, even though at the time we asked for one we were among the most active local boards and we never even got a reply. I wish you luck though and hopefully you get some answer.


Have you reported those spam posts? Imho its worth a try.

And I'm sure there would be more efficient and effective moderation if for each topic there was an established, trustworthy and active user as moderator, who speaks the language better than anyone.

I reported the entire thread yesterday. It's unhandled.

Would you do it for free? I assume you are already a merit source, right? If you are not and your local board also needs a source, again are you willing to do it for free?

Warning this post is a trap, either yes or no answers will get you in trouble.!!!

I'm willing to do it for free, unless I must hold a responsibility that I'm not aware of. If the administrator is interested in me moderating the sub-board, I expect a list of duties that I must fulfill. The answer to this question, while likely free, is dependent on the duties.

Yes, I'm already a merit source, but I don't understand how's this related.

Of course it would be more efficient, but since moderators are paid I don't think that's going to happen. With that being said, I think that there's enough active people who would do the job for free like they are doing on many other forums but for that the whole system would have to be changed and each and every child board should have their own moderator (so they can manage the workload) and that kind of change is again not likely to happen.

Well, he is a merit source ( already established and trusted ), their board has no active moderator ( inactivity should at least be more than 3, 6 month to consider a mod replacement for a  small local forum ), if [ emphasize on if ] he is willing to help out as he already is doing, maybe giving him a temporary moderation position is not a bad idea.  Doing it for free doesn't mean you are not contributing, it's the contrary. However theymos is not the kind of a person to take advantage of people, if it's needed he will do it and would give you a salary. Since staff salary is based on the number of reports being handled, you'd get not much anyways, hence doing it free or not is a contribution to the community.

Note, my words around these woods hold a negative weight, so....

As I understand, he posted this stuff in marketplace and he isn't buying or selling something. So, first of all it's off-topic and at the same time zero value, trolling and spamming. I guess that when global moderator don't know that language, he just don't have other choice than using Google translate. But I have no idea why your reports is still unhandled.
As I said somewhere already, it would be perfect to have dedicated mod for every board, but as we know, things aren't always going perfectly as we would want.

Bump.

Our moderator is offline 106 days now.

I hope he's not dead... ::)

Our moderator was removed and self-banned from forum and we are waiting for years to get a new one from theymos, so you better prepare to wait a bit more :D

LOL, what's up with theymos?

He doesn't seem very active either. ???

https://i.imgur.com/zNtQMdV.jpg
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=35

I meant posting-wise...

He must be busy with writing the April fools' code.  :P

I think the hatted coiner is in need of a chance to try; he ain't requesting for someone else's concern to curb the mismanagement and incessant trolling... afterall, if anyone saw the need to have done that, it would be long settled.
THEYMOS, on his own part isn't that quick -to-do kinda human, AFAIK. he has some specific schedule to follow suit, until everything is done properly... secondly, I read a post from Cyrus as an indication for interest to anyone that wants the moderating position,.. that happened years before I got registered -- I mean, peeps just came around and showed up Thier interest, but to his criterias, no one was valid... It maybe the same way moderators are being selected., Or Maybe through voting? I can't tell, but that's what it looks to me like.

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recently blackhat tested his own moderation ethics.. and failed shamefully

a discussion topic he created as self moderated was discussing the legality of mixing services

he personally did not quote or reference or talk about law regulations nor use information gleaned from regulators. instead he tried to brush under the carpet any risks and ignore risks and just wanted to praise and hype up and promote mixing services (dumbing recruits to sleep so he can shamelessly use them for his personal "privacy")

i then was telling readers how mixing is a risk and puts people on watchlists thus undoing the advertised purpose(to not be watched) of using a mixer

he did not like the fact that i said this and didnt like that i was telling readers to actually go read regulations and the real world definitions and guidance.
he did not like that i was debunking his sponsored ideologies/allegiances of what he wants to promote even when what he wants to promote puts other people at risk.. and so instead of staying unbiased. he chose to delete posts and want me banned from making more posts in the area he had moderation control over

its like tax avoidance.
to differentiate between being a tax evader(different type) vs to be a legal tax avoider... you first need to learn the laws you wish to navigate through to learn how to find the loopholes to legally avoid tax.
 
simply ignoring the law and thinking it doesnt apply and telling people to just keep doing things without care. harms other people and makes them tax evaders(which comes with consequences).

its always best to read the laws that apply to help you navigate them. rather then be an idiot that just wants to lull people into sleepy dreams of "freedom" just so you can promote a service that takes peoples freedoms away

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saying something that opposes a malicious promoter is not trolling. its actually a form of criticism and scrutiny and risk awareness.. something people should be allowed to do to ensure users dont end up getting caught/getting in trouble due to malicious users promoting things that can harm their users

blackhats personal allegiance to certain sponsored businesses outweigh his morals and ethics even to a point of wanting people banned and posts deleted if those people and posts oppose his allegiances.


and so i therefore withdraw my earlier opinion that blackhatcoiner should be given a chance  because, i thought he was able to grow up and put his personal allegiances aside.
i therefore withdraw my earlier opinion that blackhatcoiner should be given a chance to be a moderator of a whole category because he shamelessly cares more about promoting risky services rather than allowing people to discuss ACTUAL risks that are actually mentioned in regulators guidance.
he moderates out any scrutiny and instead keeps the malicious risky promotional stuff

also because blackhatcoiner loves to support mixers and theymos doesnt want moderators supporting mixers. he definitely wont get far. especially if his request for an unpaid job(moderating) means he can no longer receive income from his paid job(advertising mixers)

im guessing he will be fast now to revoke his own request to be a moderator, if moderators cant promote risky services

I have made my excuse here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5446635.msg62005797#msg62005797).

I'll have to ask franky1 to not derail this particular thread with mixers as it's completely irrelevant. If he didn't like my behavior, he can open up a new thread and complain there.

I'm not fueling the fire or something but I just wanna say something about this. Mixers are not officially illegal, but the way how the government see it as a method to do something illegal is of course something that cannot be brushed aside. As long as the government views it that way, confiscating ang seizing those mixers will always be there. We all get the point and understand that mixers are only providing services for their customers, but the government doesn't care even if you are innocently running these business as long as it against their belief, it will always be illegal to them.

In regards of requesting moderator in Greek board, It feels like it has slowly transformed into politics. Not that I complain about that coz it has nothing to do with me, I just felt that it has slowly turned into a different story.

What do you mean?

Honestly speaking any locale board needs moderator, it also give me a much concern on seing several spams on boards not being regulated by moderators, in this case, i will advise you first give a PM to the inactive moderator to hear from his side of view if he can give a reply on it, am sure his email address will notify him or the telegram bot on that, but if no response within a month to sum it altogether three months of no moderation on Greek board then your request on voluntary service should be a well and considerable action.

Bump.

Our moderator is offline 132 days now.

Does mitzie even has moderator status anymore? I am asking because when I check his profile he doesn't has "Staff" under his position, like its the case with other mods.

Not quite sure. He did have the mod status in August. He may have quit, maybe some administrator can enlighten us.

Did he announced something before not being active for that long?

Maybe you guys have an urgent matter that needs to be resolved by the moderator or maybe the global moderators can handle those? I know for sure that a lot staff has already noticed this thread and some have already replied maybe it is not that urgent for you to have another mod? No offense it's just what I have noticed.

Your question doesn't make any sense at all because if he publicly announced something than we wouldn't guess here and speculate what actually happened.

No. In his last post, he was just suggesting to continue the discussion to the Mining Discussion board.

Unless there is a global moderator who speaks Greek, then as I've already said, there is minimum content they can moderate properly. Their best course is to ask the opinion of trustworthy users from that board, which brings me to the question as to why not granting such user the local mod position in the first place.

There isn't an urgent matter, it's just sad. If we're going to have a local board, at least have someone liable for it. At the moment, someone can create an account, start shilling shit in every non-self-moderated corner of the board, and the best thing we can do is to post a red feedback.