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WatChe https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2752457
MusaPk https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3497031

It started from this topic https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5419242.msg61670232#msg61670232
@MusaPk claims that he copied WatChe Proof of Authentication but but there are many things in common between these two accounts.

MusaPk send his signature payment to 1BYVqQK2fNzpA7GcQyMNxPhstr1xrKSodW then to Binance
WatChe send his signature payment to 1E4VNemUFkGiYParRc99SETJZpDWQnNxvY then to Binance

Both are from the same local board.
The two have a similar writing style in referencing images, making some blot words.






More can be added. I know that people have the right to create several accounts, but is it allowed to join different signature campaigns using alt account? or Appling using more than one account?

Users can control 1000 accounts if they want, as long as none are banned. You cannot join the same sig campaign that you already have an account in. I would also be bold enough to say that applying to the same sig campaign with multiple accounts should be forbidden, but not all managers may agree on that.

They are both members of Pakistan Local Board, since they are members of the same board, the post quality may be somewhat similar, so it is not correct to call them each other's alts accounts. Also you can't complain about their alts as you didn't directly grab their wallet connect.The alts don't verify how they transferred their signature campaign promotion payments.

I went to their local board and noticed one thing that they used to post the signature campaign post on their Pakistan local language board. So it is important that all members of the community want to join the signature campaign at the same time. So their Proof of Authentication posts may have some similarities.

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The evidence you brought is not enough to prove alts.  Moreover, you have not been able to prove that there is a substantial connection between them. So don't spoil the image of repetition with all these trivial matters.

What's the relation between living in the same countries with post quality and writing style? Back on where I was still in school, when my teacher asked to his students to create an essay about a topic she choose. When everyone was done and I read about my friends' essay, it's completely different with my essay. The chance you will met someone which has same mind like you are really low!

Anyway @OP why you're not using your main account?

Funny you should say that, when it's clear you're an alt yourself and became famous for similar threads like this one:

Bitlucy withdrawal problem, does this acceptable? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5402179.msg60333717#msg60333717)

Don't take this the wrong way, eh. I think you are a great asset to the forum, but curious to say the least.

I really don't care what people do with their alts, as long as they don't break the rules.


I beg to differ, although I am not a manager and never will be. But if someone applies with two alts, as long as they don't finally join the campaign with both, I don't think it's wrong. I mean maybe he applies with both because he is not sure if he will be accepted, but let's imagine he is accepted with both alts. If he finally joins with only one he would not be breaking the rules, I understand.

There's no rule against having alt in as much that it's not from an already banned account, but what concerns me more about OP here is on what basis is he creating this thread, was it to inform us that the two accounts were alts or they were found cheating on something related to an offence if found doing, please let's try to understand the law or established the fact before laying allegations on people, at the end of it all they may not be alts as suspected by OP.

it's also possible that both accounts are indeed alt, but the OP doesn't present proper evidence. so nothing strengthens it.
as to the OP's motive for doing it, no one knows, because it could have come from revenge. but that's not important. the topic is OP making accusations against two accounts, and giving evidence that is not strong. and the community cannot judge either account until OP or another member may wish to investigate the accounts presenting additional damning evidence.

I quite often tell newbies who make accusations against someone, don't accuse other users/Alt based on (post, transaction, language, country), it is not legal proof to say someone blah, blah, blah and try to use main account when accusing, if the evidence is valid, reasonable and acceptable, all is well, fair to both accuser and accused.

Cheating in campaigns most managers forbid it, still managers need valid proof to mark them.

Pour it here, we want to see it, the best example is here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5394559.0, in cheating Alt actions in campaigns.

OP is a newbie and his first post is related to reporting alt accounts, First of I would like to ask OP which one is your alt account as it puts me in wonder that you are reporting 2 members from a local Community which truly means you are from Local community and to maintain your reputation in the local community you don't want to show up with your original account. (It's Just a case)

Anyway, as I am also a member of that local community, so dear this is my assumption that you are from my community and balming my community members haha quite funny as always. anyway if you get some proof then we might reconsider your thoughts.
That is my point of view it might be wrong but dear your shreds of evidence are not enough to prove them guilty.

Considering how things work on bitcointalk, do you really believe that an average member (who is usually hiding the fact that he has more accounts in signature campaigns) would join with one account only while being accepted with more? Honor system doesn't work around here and everything that can be abused for financial gain, will be.



None of this doesn't matter really as there is nothing wrong with creating an alt account. What it matters though is whether OP provided evidence strong enough to prove those two accounts are indeed connected. So far he failed at that and unless he can find address connections, it will probably stay that way as similar posting style usually isn't enough for a tag.

Both WatChe and MusaPk may be alts of each other, or they may not be, but the evidence provided here in your post is not enough to proof them that they are alts.
Sending payments to binance is not an issue as many people would be doing the same and we could not say that all of them are connected. Having them belonging to the same local board is also a vague argument. Finally, by comparing the writing styles in his manner seems like you wish them to be declare them alts while they are not.

Better come up with more solid evidence and do not create account for the purpose of damaging anyone's reputation.

In other words, we convict someone before he commits the crime?

If you refer to the average member as someone who does not care about anything to get money, scumbag-naim027 style, yes, but if he has some brains, if he is good enough to be accepted with both accounts in a campaign, he can join with only one and continue appying with the other to other campaigns and make everything legal, so he avoids a hypothetical future in which it is discovered that he is owner of both accounts and has been cheating, so he loses the possibility of earning money with both.

In other words, I believe (based on what I've seen so far) that main reason why someone would apply with multiple accounts in the same signature campaign is to join with all of them, and not just to increase chances of being accepted and then join with only one account and withdraw the rest.

If members generally don't have intention to break campaign rules and they just want to join different signature campaigns on different accounts, why its so rare to see someone making it public that he has another account and that he joins other signature campaigns with it? There might be more, but I know about only 2 cases of that.

OP, from my understanding how the forum operates,you don't have a concrete evidence to prove this accusation on both accounts. However,forum members can have more than one account which is not against the forum rules and regulations. It is when the user abuses the accounts by using them for merit farming or joining the same signature campaign with the two accounts, that might be a problem because if you read the rules of most signature campaign, you will see that it is written.

Coming from the same locality doesn't matter at all,and also sending their btc to Binance isn't any evidence because most people trade on Binance, since it is the biggest exchange. You should come up with a solid evidence before your accusation on WaCthe and Muskp can be investigated.




 

A person can show such logic when they have a brain but full of garbage.

If someone has two accounts and if they apply to two different campaigns then I am okay with it.
But if they apply in the same campaign with both accounts then I am not fine with it, however if I know their accounts then I will accept one for the same campaign.
If I don't know that two accounts were owned by the same user but later found they were accepted in the same campaign and they did not let me know even in PM to keep it private, I will tag both accounts.

I hope I made my stand clear for joining multi account in the same campaign.

For your information, the forum allows anyone to have unlimited accounts.

Speaking of joining a signature campaign using multiple accounts. A couple of weeks back I noticed that some of your signature campaign threads had no clause stating that "Joining or enrolling multiple accounts is not allowed" or perhaps I missed seeing it.

Someone can easily take advantage of that, join using multiple accounts, and argue out that they didn't see any rule prohibiting them from enrolling multiple accounts.
Perhaps you could do some update on the campaign thread OPS.

I just checked all my active campaigns and found none have any clause about multi account LOL. It's a so common practice on the forum that I never thought to put something about it before, but now I see there is a need or people will use it as a hole. I took a note for myself to add the clause from the next payday of the campaigns. Thanks for pointing it.

Cheers,

It should really be something that doesn't need said, but as long as I've been at this I know that users(especially those that don't care) have to have everything spelled out for them. Cheaters are still going to cheat no matter what rule is in place, but managers have protected themselves from the drama if the rule is added.

Probably if someone has two alts that he has not made explicit, and applies to the same campaign without the intention of cheating, but trying to see if he can get one accepted, the best course of action would be to send a PM to the manager before the acceptances are made public, as my friend  ;D has pointed out above.

I disagree, there are many members saying when two or more accounts joining in the same campaign is fine as long as there's no rule about multiple accounts usage. Because this forum doesn't have a rule about multiple accounts usage in signature campaign, but it's the rule of the campaign manager. That's why I always search multiple accounts connections when the campaign have a rule about multiple accounts, if not my work become useless.

It would be interesting to see if there's an user leave the campaign after Royse777 announce this rule ::)

Who are these users? So far I have seen 1 who shares your opinion. I'm not saying there are only 2 of you who feel this way, but I think it kinda depends on the user. Those that run multiple accounts on this forum probably agree with you, those that live in underdeveloped areas of the world will likely agree with you, but those who operate a single account, or those who are decent managers will likely disagree with your opinion.

Regardless, I imagine you will now see that rule become implemented in some campaigns so that users such as you cannot make the claim of there is no such rule.

I, too, when looking for cheating, always pay attention to the conditions of the manager.  In fact, there are quite a few alternative accounts that take advantage of the absence of this rule, but I pass by, realizing that if the manager allows participation, then this is normal.
In addition, accounts with a negative tag also take advantage of the absence of a no-participation rule with a red tag, and this has been brought up many times in Murat's threads. For normal participants in bounty companies, the rule, even if it is not announced, goes without saying, but for cheaters, this is a green light.

Did it ever happened to you, someone applying with two different accounts and then sending you a PM after he got accepted with both?

@yahoo62278 since you are also active in this topic, did the above scenario ever happened to you?

For a bounty I would not be so strict. Users are being paid with worthless tokens most times.


Noone has ever confessed to me that they were in the campaign with multiple accounts. I remember back in the Bitsler campaign I had invited a member to fill an open spot. Come to find out he was already in with another account. It did not end well for him when he got exposed. Had he informed me he was already in with another account I would have asked him to choose which to stay in the campaign with and please leave with his other account. Being as I invited him, I would not have tagged him for what I feel is cheating.

It's getting to where you need a rule for damn near everything these days. Otherwise, everyone is just going to look for a way out of a cheating accusation. People should have some common sense but that's too much to ask. I 100% understand that everyone does not have the same circumstances or opinion as me, but to me enrolling with multiple accounts is just cheating. Using the excuse that you applied with multiple accounts not knowing which would be accepted is just plain crazy. Apply and if rejected try with another, then it's ok. What happens when you get accepted with 2 or more accounts? I do not for a minute believe anyone will pm a manager and say hey I own both of those accounts. They're gonna stay in til they get caught.

I secretly hoped that you will prove me wrong and say "yes, people contacted me as they were honest and didn't want to abuse campaign rules" but yeah, I expected that answer and I would be really surprised if any manager actually experienced that.


Exactly. There's a reason why signature campaign farmers don't make their alts publicly known because that gives them opportunity to join good signature campaign with more accounts and we've seen only a handful of members willing to do that because they have no ulterior motive to milk as much as possible from signature campaigns.

It is understood that Multi accounts are not allowed in any campaign whether you write it in the rules explicitly or not. However, having written in the rules gives the manager an edge as the applicant can't challenge that there was no such rule in the campaigns and therefore, they enroll their alt accounts.


Yes, this is exactly what i was saying above. No written rule about multi account can be used as an excuse by the cheaters (applicants) and sometime may even save them from getting tagged.

Not withstanding the above discussion (which is more the pros and cons of who can apply for a SigComp rather than the scant meat on the brittle bones of the OP's ONE and only post), the OP doesn't tie the UID's together with shared use of wallet addresses/social media profiles/merit or DT self scratching - the list goes on.

Just another throw away newbie alt account or someone with sour grapes who was probably rejected from the aforementioned signature campaign and instead of standing tall with their accusations comes slithering in here with their mud slinging hoping it lands in the right direction.

Rinse and repeat.