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/en/][banned mixer] (https://[banned mixer) is a reliable tool created to anonymize BTC. Intuitive interface with 3 mix modes, .Mixer, Precise, Max Anonymity. thanks to which you receive purified coins from various exchanges. We do not keep logs + provide letters of guarantee, so your level of anonymity is 100%.
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https://talkimg.com/images/2023/12/27/Ic16P.png	➥ No registration, no logs / all data is encoded. ➥ Immediate auto-delete of client data / data on requests for mixing gets erased in 168 hours. ➥ The only proof of cleaning in our service is a letter of guarantee, which stays with you.
https://talkimg.com/images/2023/12/27/Icjlc.png	After your coins arrive in our props, your coins are split into random parts and sent to the biggest stock exchanges. You receive back purified BTC (depending on the mix mode you chose). You receive either coins from our clients who took advantage of the “max anonymity” mode, or you receive bitcoins sent from exchanges. These coins are unlinkable and resistant to all deanonymization tools.
https://talkimg.com/images/2023/12/27/IccDj.png	➥ To start clearing, you need your incoming transaction to have 1 network confirmation. ➥ The timing depends on the mode you choose, but usually it takes from 2 to 6 hours. ➥ Incoming address is valid for 7 days (168 hours). All payments made after this time will be ignored.
https://talkimg.com/images/2023/12/27/IcLVq.png	➥ We charge from 1% to 5% of the amount + 0,0007 BTC ➥ The maximum amount varies depending on the mode you choose - 1 or 50 BTC. ➥ The minimum clearing amount is 0.001 BTC, all amounts below the minimum will be considered donations.
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It seems there are no interest so far, the April fool took (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5447104.msg62019779#msg62019779) all the spotlight LOL

Anyway, you need to come up with aggressive plan and solid marketing strategy.

1. Your ANN does not look attractive right now, sorry it's the truth. I see you have a copper membership which means I am assuming you are in the process of creating a nice ANN thread with graphics. It will create higher attention.

2. Mixer advertisement is highly dependable in marketing campaign the competition is high too. To cope with your competitions you need to plan for an advertising too. I can help you with this if you want. Feel free to check my service page. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5328445.0). I am helping some of the competitive mixers to build their brand awareness such as Sinbad (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5419242.0), Yo!mix (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5434037.0) and today we just relaunched Mixero (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5423833.0). Feel free to check their budget, brand awareness.

Depending on your budget I can present you a highly desirable campaign to stay out of the competition.

3. And lastly, a mixer means creating a solid trust in the community. We can discuss about it and set up a strategy to take the brand ahead.

Looking forward to have a discussion with you and work together to build the brand. I am sure with years of experience I have in the forum, will bring huge value to your brand.

Welcome to the forum by the way.
Cheers,

Yes, we are working on the design.
Thank you for noticing and taking the time.
We are now at the familiarization stage of this platform,
but in the short time we've been here, you must be the 20th person to offer development and advertising. I wonder if this is a forum about cryptocurrency or a forum about marketing.
In any case I am very pleased that you and your colleagues care so much about our prosperity. We will definitely listen to your advice and suggestions.

I'll tell you more than that. We want to win over the local inhabitant by not aggressive/pushy marketing. But with brevity and the highest quality of work and service. Well, we don't need fanfare and decorations for that).

Cheers

1. I see the telegram bot part, but when I open it, the language is in Russian

Are you trying to say the telegram bot is also a mixer of sorts?

2. This looks like a typo. You meant TOR, right?

It's hard to say whether it's good or bad that so many mixer services have popped up recently. On the one hand, it shows that there's a growing demand for privacy in the cryptocurrency world. On the other hand, it also means that there are more opportunities for scams and frauds to take advantage of people who are looking for anonymity in their transactions.

WEB503, I think a review campaign would definitely help you attract more users and build trust within the crypto community. You could ask existing forum users to make reviews of your service on the forum, and you could even offer incentives for leaving reviews. It would also allow you to gather feedback and make improvements if necessary.

Uh? hard to say whether it's good or bad?

More mixers we see, better it is, so [banned mixer] is more than welcome, as all others.
It would be very annoying and inefficient if we only had 1 or 2 services with a dominant position

And nope, there aren't "so many mixers" popping up lately. Actually only 2: [banned mixer] and Whirlwind.money.
It isn't what I could say so many.
Do not consider the signature campaigns actually running. Currently, all of them already exist, it's just that they are trying to absorb the market that Chipmixer left behind.

@WEB503
Welcome

Everything in the bot is in English, except for the description of the bot profile. Yes it is also a mixer.
Also, thanks for the typo.
Cheers

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I sincerely appreciate the friendly greeting.
I hope, almost certainly, that we will meet and even exceed everyone's expectations.

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Thanks for the interesting advice. We will definitely think about implementing it.

You registered and posted just recently in forum, your domain was registered just few months ago, service started working after that, and you are already calling your service ''best mixer''  ::)
I would be very careful with anyone claiming this, and I am generally very suspicious to any new bitcoin related service, even more when it is based on mixing.
Your offer with lowest fee is offering almost no anonymity based on this, and I noticed many spelling mistakes and mix of english and russian letters.

https://i.imgur.com/YVxuzTI.jpg

We would be grateful if you could point out any mistakes. We do have representatives from the Russian region in our service. So there may be some mistakes or misunderstandings. But we try to avoid them as much as possible.

As for the statement that the mixer is the best - before we started working, we studied the market, carried out test transactions, observed the quality of our "competitors". That's why we decided not to be modest in the title.
I am sure that you will soon be convinced of this.


We have been on the market for over two years for a little bit of other services. And on the forums of our specialty, for the peace of mind of mixer users, we have made a mandatory deposit multiplied by several times. Of course, this should not affect your opinion of our service in any way. But, perhaps, the positive impact that in a few years of work for us there was not a single complaint, what can boast of what not many.

I am just curious.

The idea could be good, but why the telegram bot, though?

Don't you think this can put you and the user privacy in great danger, knowing that telegram can submit whatever information they are required to any law enforcement folks?

Let's take a slightly broader look at the problem. As a rule, people who use Telegram use VPNs and disposable phone numbers. And many have an idea of how to take care of their own anonymity.
However, it is also worth noting how telegram has responded to requests from special services. I'll leave a footnote about that [1]*

And now let's have a closer look at our surroundings:

Yomix - Ddos-guard (waf and hosting), which is fully controlled by the special services of the Russian Federation and gives out all the information on the first request.
Sinbad - CloudFlare (waf leading logs of visits, ip addresses, fingerprint, where have gone to the site, etc.). All these statistics and logs are kindly shared with the US Secret Service.
bitcointalk also stands on Cloudflare....

Not to mention the fact that every internet and mobile operator will also provide any information on request.  I think that telegram is a much less dangerous place against this background.

[1]*
On March 20, 2018, the Russian Supreme Court ruled that the FSB's demand to provide keys to decrypt Telegram's correspondence was legal. On the same day, Roskomnadzor notified Telegram to comply with the law's requirements to provide information to the Federal Security Service of Russia. If Telegram fails to provide encryption keys to the FSS within 15 days, it may be blocked in Russia. The creator of the messenger stated his refusal to give encryption keys for Telegram correspondence to the FSB.

Why secret service though, is granpa Joe interested in mixers so much that his bodyguards gather intel about bitcoin mixers?😂.

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Other than the usual pay to post advertisers, I can provide a better solution/ strategy to achieve mass adoption, it's called "shilling" my fee is $500 per day. Ok I know $500 is too much, I can go down as much as $5 per day.
At least consider $1 per day? Ok I'm out no need to call the authorities.

I'm sorry. That's what U.S. special services translated by an online translator. Special services refers to various government legal regulators. :P

This is the first time is have seen such mixer company in the forum. It's like, because you have not made some advertisement in the forum like others does. And I was also trying to see your site how it is but the site is not working. And this is how it is👇
https://i.imgur.com/FkcrNRE.png
And the final out come is like This 👇
https://i.imgur.com/iUVLogX.png
So there is no way to see what is inside the mixer site.

Thank you for pointing this out.
I'm certainly sorry that you had to deal with this, but at the moment there is technical work to improve the service.

Welcome! (Don't mind my signature).

I should point out, that you can achieve a similar level of robustness by using a Tor onionsite. That way, you don't have to rely on Cloudflare, ddos-guard, or whatever.

Hello.
Right. We also have a Tor domain for people who care about their security.

But still, it would be better for this type of service not to use third-party services. You're a mixer, so it's reasonable to assume that most of your customers care about their privacy. I hope you know that there are many other methods to protect against DDoS attacks on the clearnet besides Cloudflare.

Of course.
But let me ask you to show me an effective protection against ddos that does not leak data.
And as I said earlier, we use our own SSL certificate to protect the client in the clearnet. For those who are extremely skeptical, there is a tor version of the site.

In the meantime I would like to note that we have resumed the work of the site and bots and you can actually see the quality.

you decided on the worst solution, the design of your ANN post consists of 20 gif files, some of which are over 2.5MB in size. at least the few that I looked at. in total it is 40-50MB.
no forum user will choose animation instead of page loading speed, no matter how interesting it seems.

I saw on your website also on the first screen, those things (fee info, mixing time etc...) are quite small, and there are plenty of them. for those of us who see a little less well, it seems tiring.

About service in itself, I prefer the possibility to determine the fee amount myself.

I don't really understand your frustration with the weight of the gif. Do you have a limited internet connection?  If this is the case and it is a problem, I will reconsider in favor of a less resource-intensive image.

Regarding the size on the site, I sincerely appreciate it. I didn't think about the visually impaired at all. Will definitely take action soon!

As for the service, our commission is rounded, so like users, and there is nothing better than a random )

How can you guarantee that coins coming out from Webmixer will have that AML score, and what websites/tools are you using to confirm that.
I personally think that all AML scores are bias crap, but sadly more and more people are trusting what some random websites are telling them.

You didn't answer my question, and how the heck can using low fees someone get ''0-25%AML pure crypto'' when there is almost no anonymity (1 star) according to you?

Bitcointalk forum is not a mixer and we don't have onion domain like you.

Try to calm down. It's okay.

For starters, we have several modes, the 1-star mode does not offer clean coins. It offers to get "other coins".  Modes with 5 stars offer output of crypto with AML up to 25%. You can check it wherever you want. In case of discrepancy, we will refund your commission, be sure to keep the letter of guarantee.

For checking I can suggest services: Coinfirm, Neutrino, Chainalysi, Elliptic, Bitfury Crystal and other...
We check on AML-Bot more often.

I am perfectly calm, thank you for your concern.

You should clarify that on your website and say that low AML score can be achieved only when five stars is used.
Refund won't be possible if other services confiscate ''other'' coins, and I don't consider this coins to be mixed at all.

Everything is clearly stated in the "How does it work?" section.
Exactly as it is, so it is described.
Yes, it's not mixed, users always get other people's coins. 
The "mixer" mode users get the coins of the other modes users.
Users of modes "exact payment" and "total anonymity" get coins of our sponsors, from foreign exchanges.

Dear users, please keep your letters of guarantee until you receive your money.
In case of an emergency, it will be much easier for us to help you if you have the letter of guarantee.
If you have not saved it for any reason, please contact Technical Support at the contact information and let us know. Technical support will follow up on your request. And make sure you get your money.
Regards Webmixer. Gesundheit.

We would like to help local users learn about the quality of our work.
To do this, we have implemented a free test !
In "full anonymity" mode you can launder 0.001 BTC for free and see the quality and purity of your coins.
Legendary users who are ready to leave their comments about our quality, we suggest to contact technical support of the mixer and get those 0.001BTC for the test. At no cost to you.
That's right, we will give 0.001BTC to legendary users so they can test our quality and tell other users about it in this thread... 
In addition, the number of coins issued for the test is limited. I hope no one will be offended.

Please be as patient as possible when contacting support for the amount. Because our support team is working at the limit of their abilities. And there are a lot of applicants.

Respectfully to you "Webmixer" The best mixer, for the best percentage.

I see this post did not catch the eyes of many members. I suggest you just open a simple review campaign and post it in the services board. Your budget does not have to be so big. Just do within your means

It will help create awareness
 
Anyone sensible enough would not be offended

Remember, there are so many cheats around. How do you tell if the person contacted support is actually a legendary member and not some newbie masquerading as a legendary member.

I sincerely appreciate your time.
Yes my proposal obviously did not get a great demand on the forum.
But judging by the receipts of funds in the system of our mixer, many people have tried at their own expense and started to work actively with our mixer, without leaving feedback.

As for how to understand whether a legendary user writes to me or not - you can understand by verifying the agreed comment )

Have a good day.
I hope you have already checked the quality of our mixer)

I just checked your mixer and try to mix, but the button "download a letter guarantee" doesn't work (unclickable), (or I missing something) I tried using 3 browsers: Chrome, Opera, and TOR Browser with Onion link. So, is your site is still under maintenance?.

I think that letter guarantee is very important for us because that would be proof if we did your service if have mixing problem.

I can confirm this

- Mixer mode - Letter of guarantee button is inactive for both Clearnet and Tor
- Precise payment mode - The site does not even show the mixing order page. Instead, there is just an error

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/07/27/QVR8m.png

- Full Anonymity mode - Letter of guarantee is downloadable on the Clearnet site, but the button is inactive in the Tor mirror

Good afternoon and thank you for your time.
We have double-checked the information and it has not been confirmed.

Please check your browser settings to see if it allows you pop-ups and downloads.
I would also like to point out that the basic settings of TOR browser just by means of a pop-up window warns you before downloading files!

If this problem is repeated - please inform me again.
At the moment we do not observe such a problem.

What do you mean? I checked, and still "download a letter guarantee" it doesn't work.
And, I have a problem also when trying to mix "Precise payment" I got: "An error occurred while creating a request for mixing" on the next page after clicking the mix button.

"Download a letter guarantee" it doesn't work also when I try to mix it with the "full anonymity" option

Seem your website is not ready to use. better to close it and maintain it again.

Thank you so much again.
We were able to find all the problems you mentioned,
some of them were related to the English version of the site, some of them were related to the screen extension. But all of them have been solved !
You can clear your browser cache and try to use the site again.
We will be glad if you become one of our customers.
Have a nice day.

Good afternoon, now you don't have any problem in using our mixer ?

Advertising creates awareness. I agree here.

@WEB503, I can help you if you want to get your brand in front of the forum members eyes to get traction. You are welcome to check my service (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5328445.0) and open for a discussion.

Thank you, we will contact you if we have such a need.  ;)

Before starting any advertising campaign I'd like to suggest making sure your website, UI and logo looks really nice. Honestly, as a potential customer the current design doesn't meet my expectations. I like your domain but please improve the design of your website.

Don't be upset with me. Please consider this constructive criticism. :P

Thanks for the advice. In fact, we are seriously looking at the possibility of changing the design and the structure of our site.

Literally today I spoke about this with a person who is engaged in such things.  8)

???But where can I find some services(trmlabs,Coinfirm,Neutrino,Chainalysis,Elliptic,Bitfury Crystal)
to check the cleanliness of the address
I do not trust AMLBot

Have you forgotten how to google?

Define "cleanliness of the address"  ::)

If you are using a bitcoin mixer to enhance your transaction privacy, then what is your business dealing with a centralized exchange that chooses what to call a clean address and a dirty address?

Hi all! We just updated the OP!  ;)

Thanks for letting me know, although you forgot to mention that the whole design will change again very soon.  :D

This is a translation into Russian
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5468461.msg62915845#msg62915845

Please explain these phrases so that I can correct the translation:

"We do not keep logs or provide letters of guarantee" and  "The only proof of cleaning in our service is a letter of guarantee"

I don't understand how to work with this contradiction.

Further
"You receive either coins from our clients who took advantage of the “max anonymity” "

What if the clients’ coins are “dirty”?

Must be a translation problem.
We delete the data immediately and the application information after 168 hours. I.e. within 168 hours we can help to solve the problem situation if it occurs, if you have a letter of guarantee. And yes, we provide a letter of guarantee !

As for the fact that the client of the mode "Mixer" receives funds of clients from anonymous modes we are notified, and what quality of the client in this mode will receive coins - we do not know. He may be lucky and get the purest, or unlucky and get dirt. At least with his coins he cuts off the tails.  If you want to not only cut off the tails but also get clean coins, use the modes "Full anonymity" and "exact payment".

Guys welcome to bitcoin talk if you need Indonesia translation just PM me  :-*

oк, corrections have been made to the my translation.

When I started exploring your service, the first thing that caught my eye was the topic title on this forum. The title mentions the fee rate as 1 - 5 permille. It looks very attractive, but in the first message, it becomes clear that the actual fees are an order of magnitude higher: not 1 - 5 permille but 1 - 5 percent (+70,000 satoshis). Such a typo in the title may appear misleading. Someone might even think that you intentionally made it for the sake of increasing the topic's views. I think it makes sense to correct this typo.

I tried [banned mixer] yesterday and received a fee of between 39K satoshi.
I think It also depends on how much BTC you have to mix, the more BTC, the bigger the fee you receive. because the site used percent, and it seemed like gambling for how much % between 1 and 1,5 % (when use basic methods-mixer)

I'm just wondering when use [banned mixer], this mixer that looks different with other mixer, I can't track my mixing after used. On another mixer, I can track and bookmark the site when I want to check my transation was proccessed or not. But so far, it's not a problem, my transaction is going smoothly and received successful on my wallet.

You can see transaction confirmations when your funds arrive in our accounts.
 About the receipt of funds to you - by tracking transactions received to the account you specified.
We do not store any information about you. As a result, you will not be able to track this information through our website.
I hope this does not harm the quality of service in any way.
We are trying for you!

“Coins from exchanges” must be an attractive service. Many people prefer to avoid opening accounts on CEXes and complete identity verifications there. But some of these people want to possess coins which look absolutely safe, and coins which come directly from exchanges are exactly the thing they need.

On your website, you say that you have high customer satisfaction since 2016 but how is that when your website was created some months ago? Definitely that's not a typo.
By the way, what happens if I use your Full Anonimity mixing service and top exchanges like Binance and Coinbase still tag my account for using bitcoin mixer or something like that? I mean, do you guarantee that our funds are safe and there will be no mistake?

By the way, it's not blockchain.info but blockchain.com, officially.

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I don't know how important is that for you but when I click on inspect element on your website, language selector, telegram bot and bitcoin mixer section moves behind mix bar. There might be some problem about responsiveness for some users.

Thank you for your consideration.
The site has a few errors, typos, bugs.
At the moment it is not expedient to fix them, as we are preparing an updated site design and will soon present it to you.

In "full anonymity" mode we give you coins from foreign exchanges, if Binance or Coinbase decide that they are not satisfied with these coins - it will be very strange. But we will refund you the commission you paid. However, it should be noted that such cases have not happened yet.

I'm not sure it's the clearest, you will return the fee, but what will happen to the deposit? Who bears the risk if Coinbase decides to hold the transaction under any pretext?

Otherwise, I am now looking at the fee for full anonymity mixing, 4-5% + 0,0007 BTC sounds quite expensive. With the new design, will there be changes in the commission fee structure?

We have no plans to revise the fees. Because it is unlikely that we can find a way to make this process cheaper.

As for Coinbase and Binance, I see no reason why they won't accept coins from other foreign exchanges..... And if they do, it's unlikely to be our fault. In any case, if after the mix there is such a problem - write. We will try to help solve the situation!

yeah, it's not annoying me, because I can track the transaction using Bitcoin Explorer. And, I hope in the future, [banned mixer] make the fee lower than other mixers, because competition is getting tougher, and the customer will choose a mixer with a low fee there.

1 thing that makes me confused is what is different between precise payment and full anonymity, because when I look it carefully, there's not that much difference between the service.

Lowering the commission can only result in a loss of quality/anonymity. We approach this issue carefully and have selected the MOST optimal criteria that allow our users to get really clean coins, cut off the tails and at the same time do it all automated and without maintaining databases....  That guarantees all our users anonymity not only here and now but also in the potential future.
 
Regarding the difference between "exact payment" and "full anonymity", you are right, there is no difference. But this method - "exact payment" is very useful for those who make, for example, payment for someone else's services or accept someone else's payment. It is useful for those who resell services or those who maintain a number of wallets and likes accuracy, as well as many other aspects where it is useful to specify the exact amount to receive, without calculating how much will reach minus the commission and not trying to adjust it to the desired parameters of the user, given that the commission we have partly random in the specified range.

In any case, we listen to the opinions of our users and take steps to improve the quality of our work whenever possible.
Thank you for choosing us.

Actually, they can do this. When I found this option (coins from exchanges) on [banned mixer], I started to investigate whether there are similar offers from other mixers. I found one more service, and I also found a story that Binance blocked an account of its customer after receiving such a transaction. The transaction was from Binance to Binance, but Binance managed to find something suspicious in it. The problem was solved when the sender of this transaction opened a ticket in Binance and asked why the funds he sent were blocked at the recipient’s side.

WEB503, can your senders, in case of problems, open such tickets in the exchanges from which they send coins?

If necessary, this is possible, and it is in the interest not only of the end user but also of our investor. But I repeat, so far there have been no such cases.

Hello Webmixer Team,

I have created an annoucement thread in German, here is the link to the German translation.

[ANN & Anleitung] [banned mixer] - Maximale Anonymität 📌 Gebühren 1 - 5‰ (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5470535.0)

As soon as the new page is ready, I will create a simple guide for using the mixer in German.

While it is great to know that WEB503 has this situation covered as well, I still don't understand why such situations should occur. What I mean here is that I don't understand why people still use centralized exchanges. Are they really so naive about the huge risks they put into by using such exchanges? Can it be that people still don't know that if they don't possess their private keys they also do not possess their coins? People still do not comprehend that  the State, the banks, the hackers or even the exchanges can steal their money (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5310500.0)? Is everybody still unaware that by passing through KYC they are jeopardizing their identities and lives (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5221497)?

It really baffles me to see that years pass and users still did not learn anything from the past (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5090869.0)...

Friends, I want to inform you that the rebranding of the site is already at the final stage. But nevertheless we are faced with a dilemma! We like both versions of one of the main blocks and would like to hear your opinion (which option do you like better). Any opinion is greatly appreciated!  :)

What's the difference here, it's very small and I can't clearly recognize the text (without straining my eyes), except for the background image.
If that's the only difference, the right side one is more acceptable to me. I would always choose images with less emphasized details for the background. It should not distract or have an impact on the main content block.

I would choose the image from the left side. I like it more. (An alternative solution would be to alternate these images once per week or once per month, if it is possible).

I like the left picture more, because it looks higher quality and better made. The image on the right is blurry and unclear, although I assume that's how it was intended. A more detailed picture distracts attention, I agree with examplens here. But if we take into account the fact that the main functional tools of the mixer do not take up too much space and are not too sophisticated to attract all the use`s attention, then the details in the left picture are appropriate, in my opinion. I vote for the left option.

Both are refreshed designs compared to the current one but the problem is that the images you posted are blurred especially when I try to zoom in for a clear view so it's hard to choose between the two.
Maybe you could try uploading the images of the two versions individually. But i like the general outlook of the new design.

But what is the difference between sending your coins to mixers and sending them to CEXes? Both types of services act as custodians while the time period when they hold the coins. So, people who doesn’t trust any CEX, should neither trust mixers. It means that the audience of mixers and of exchanges may be similar in some way.

Ok, but from my point of view:

The risks of using a mixer: losing some satoshis

The risks of using a CEX: losing some satoshis + your personal data (KYC/SoF) (+ potential legal/tax problems)

I'd rather take a risk to improve my privacy than take one to potentially ruin it.

In addition to the above statement, I will emphasize on the fact that working with CEXs expose you to many more other risks, including jeopardizing your life. All in all these are most important risks you have to take into consideration:



@international: did you read the above mentioned topics? Meaning 12 years later and people still don't know to use Bitcoin nor what it's good for (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5310500.0) and Why KYC is extremely dangerous – and useless (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5221497).

Buchi Sorry, I missed your post. I just updated the OP and replied to your thread.  ::)

I will continue this discussion here so that we don't go off-topic in another thread.
yes, it is a good idea in the prevention of phishing to have some kind of ticker on the site with unique information that will be updated and linked to a certain post in the ANN thread on Bitcointalk. Some kind of additional verification that it is your official site.

I have read the second one. I’ll read the first one today. It looks promising, thank you for the link.

I am not afraid of my personal data leak. I explained my opinion in Russian local some years ago, here is the translation:


I do understand people’s considerations about their personal data incase they have a lot of money. I also understand why people who have many bitcoins may need coins from the exchanges. And I really think that Webmixer’s service fits such people perfectly.

Thank you for sharing these. However, I can not agree with almost anything from what is stated there. It's simply an ill state of mind of seeing things that way and I will explain why.


Many think the same about Bitcoin, saying to themselves (for years) that it's too late for them to "jump on Bitcoin train". This is simply not true. Best moment to "enter Bitcoin" is now and this was true since Jan 3rd, 2009. Similar, although you revealed your personal information, you can still do some efforts for gaining back your privacy. GDPR is also very useful. Plus the Right to be Forgotten (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_be_forgotten). You may not be able to delete your personal information from all the websites where you exposed it with naivete, but you can try though.


That was your unique selling point, which does not mean that it was also the only one. In a web of trust, as it was envisioned by Tim May (https://www.activism.net/cypherpunk/crypto-anarchy.html) more than three decades ago, you don't need to expose yourself for being trusted, but to build a reputation inside a web of trust. Such web of trust exists right here, on this forum. If you build a good reputation here and you receive positive feedbacks for successful deals, nobody will question who you are and -- be sure of that -- you will make deals way more / faster / better than anyone else coming back with his ID and saying he wants to make a deal. You can read more about reputation on the free market here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5228347).


That does not mean, for sure, that someone presenting with his real name can not make frauds. Should I remember, as example, the name Mark Karpelès (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-33745611)?


There was no "returning to privacy", as nobody lost interest in privacy online in the past 5-7 decades (explained below).


It is as foolish as locking your door. After all, who would ever rob you, right? Or like using an antivirus.


Quite the contrary: in years 2000 we were in full-period of crypto wars (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5255623). NSA, on one side, and Cypherpunks, on the other side. First outlawed free access to cryptography and export of cryptography outside US border, while the lattest did their best for offering people free access to cryptography, private comunications and software which rendered Big Brother obsolete.

However, these wars were nothing new. Look, for example, at the work of Dr. David Chaum and see when those manuscripts were published: "Untraceable Electronic Mail, Return Addresses, and Digital Pseudonyms (https://nakamotoinstitute.org/static/docs/untraceable-electronic-mail.pdf)", "Blind Signatures for Untraceable Payments (https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-1-4757-0602-4_18)" or "Security without Identification Card Computers to make Big Brother Obsolete (https://www.cs.ru.nl/~jhh/pub/secsem/chaum1985bigbrother.pdf)".

The battle for free access to cryptography started in fact during Cold War and since then various tech-savvies fought hard for helping people in not being surveilled anymore, in having a peaceful life while having the benefit of privacy and of private communications. These lasted until NSA capitulated, at the end of 2000 decade, realizing that cryptography can not be stopped anymore. Julian Assange and Edward Snowden also gave huge hands of help on this matter.

So what you are saying -- "I remembered that there was no real privacy and anonymity on the internet as early as 2002" -- it's pure non-sense. People started fighting for their privacy since early years of cryptography, when it was banned in US to regular people.


This is true also if you are not rich. Once your personal information is exposed, you can't know what lunatic shows up at your door and tries to steal anything you have inside the house.


I can understand that only if we talk about anonymous, decentralized exchanges.

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Tl; dr: doctors tell you what to do, in order to be healthy, but it's only up to you if you want to live healthy or die at 40 years because of a stroke. Similar, it's safe to lock your door, especially at night. In crypto, it's recommended to not expose your personal information. But it's only up to you if you want to risk your money, your wealth, your house and, eventually, your life as well.

It would be more correct to say that only some people have chosen and continue to choose this fighting path. And the majority do not care about this issue at all. They joyfully and enthusiastically disclose and give away their personal data to global corporations, whose main activity and income consists precisely in such collection and further sale to the intelligence services of different states and other global corporations that make money from targeting and using personal information to manage public opinions . And if you talk about this with such masses, they don’t seem to perceive all this as a secret or news, but they don’t care, because it’s convenient, and the other side of the issue doesn’t bother them too much. For now, at least. So far this has not affected them personally.

Well... I said something similar :)


Not everybody can be a hero. And, sadly, we can't have a nation of Cypherpunks. So yes, only some people did (and do) all these efforts and, based on their work, we can now access cyprography for free and we can also communicate in a private manner.


I believe this also happens because people are not educate to understand how valuable their personal information is. But some of them have the chance to read these posts and, maybe, a part of them open their eyes.


Yes, this is the same idea like "no house is robbed... until it is robbed for the first time". The principle "it can't happen to me" is correct until something happens to that person. The bad part is that some open their eyes only after an unfortunate incident. The good part is that some learn from others' mistakes and apply another principle -- "better safe than sorry" :)

Actually, the worst part is that a lot of people don't open their eyes even after an unfortunate or even dangerous incident, even happened directly with them. That is why they never learn even from their own mistakes, not to say from mistakes of the others, which could have prevented those incidents. Hence sometimes I think that here, on the forum, there is a tendency to communicate with people, who already know those things, and can potentially help each other to develop more sophisticated approaches and tools to safe themselves. But there is much weaker tendency to actually teach someone who had no idea about those things before and who will make some useful conclusions.

Locking your door is not foolish. It just makes no sense in most cases.

In 2010, I met an American professor in Venice, who told me that in his neighborhood, it was not customary to lock the doors of houses. Even when he went to a conference in Europe, he left his door unlocked. According to him, the absence of locks fosters a sense of trust in the world, which ultimately contributes to inner peace more than a locked door.

I liked his idea, and I also stopped locking the door. At first, I noticed that it was convenient because it took less time for entering and exiting. Then I noticed another advantage: guests could wait for me in warmth and comfort if I was late.

I started locking the door again in 2017 after a drunken neighbor mistakenly entered our apartment one night and woke us up. But this habit didn't last very long. In the last two years, I've been living in a place where everyone knows each other, and no one locks their doors. I don't lock mine either.

Living with this approach is much more peaceful than constantly fearing that robbers will take something from your home. By the way, a door lock won't stop robbers.

Hmm… Very interesting. WebMixer provides its customers with coins from centralized exchanges, and there is a justified demand for coins sent from such exchanges. But why may people need to swap their coins to the ones coming from DEXs? What is the benefit?

It depends where you live, and try telling that to people who live in high crime areas.
Try first not locking your car or bike when you get anywhere and see how it goes first, but I suspect you won't have them anymore soon after you start doing that.

Door has a lock, that is meant to be used and not for decoration purpose.
Some people can be paranoid about locking everything all the time, but once you get robbed you quickly change your mindset.
Lock wont protect from pro-robbers, but it will protect your from regular junky looking for a few bucks for his next fix.

I wrote the about saying as a metaphor. internetional takes part of crypto while having a philosophy of sharing his personal information with everyone and promoting trusted third parties. I tried to explain him some risks associated with disclosing personal information and I also reminded him (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5310500.msg63097602#msg63097602) what was the meaning of Bitcoin, based on Satoshi's philosophy.

As he kept acting like "nothing bad can happen to me", I told him that such an approach is like saying "why would I need an antivirus? No virus would harm my PC" and, from here, the saying that "no house is robbed until is robbed for the first time". If he prefers to live like this I have nothing against it -- each one has a life and each of us chooses to what risks he can expose.

I recently read an article about why the White Paper was published on the same date as Halloween.

It said that Satoshi deliberately chose this date because on this day Martin Luther announced his ideas that questioned the power of the Vatican. And it seemed interesting to me to do some kind of competition dedicated to some memorable date (unfortunately, Halloween has already passed).  Any ideas on this?

Next halving in April 2024 could be a good opportunity. I think for example, if you organize things like a physical wallet raffle (like Mixtum or Unijoin, or krogoth ones), it can be nice to fund the wallet with a tx included in the last block before halving  :D But yeah, still have to wait 170 days until halving..


Otherwise, you can scroll this link, it provides a lot of important dates related to BTC history : https://trustmachines.co/bitcoin-history/

Thank you! We just added a link to your topic in the OP.  :D

Perhaps we'll never know for sure what was inside Satoshi's mind, but it's certain that there are many subtleties present thorough his work. For example, Satoshi never talked about politics per se. Yet the message included in Genesis block says a lot about his libertarian and anarchic view. He did not use that article from Times only to prove the date of Genesis block, but he also expressed that he was against this bailout for the banks.

We can also remember some of his old emails (https://www.metzdowd.com/pipermail/cryptography/2008-November/014853.html), which also express his political view: "It's very attractive to the libertarian viewpoint if we can explain it properly. I'm better with code than with words though."

So yes, it could be that Satoshi chose on purpose the date for releasing the white paper...

There is a good Bitcoin calendar here: https://old.21ideas.org/bitcoin-calendar/ Unfortunately, it is in Russian only, but there are many memorable dates. For instance, Nov-28 was the day when bitcoin price surpassed the $1,000 mark for the first time, in 2013. The tenth anniversary of this achievement could be a reason for a contest related to the number 1000 or for a contest with a prize fund of $1000.

We need some advice. Is it allowed according to the forum rules to ask someone else to make a local translation of a thread if a translation already exists? The problem is that the user who translated the thread into Russian did not update the informative links in the Russian-language OP, although our manager reminded him of this. Looking into the future, we would prefer to choose someone who is more outgoing.

In many threads dedicated to various services, the initial message contains outdated information. This is almost always the case if the thread is opened not by a representative of the discussed service. I believe there's nothing wrong with that. Personally, I tend to read the latest messages in a thread rather than the first ones. I assume I'm not alone in this.

As for the rules, it's better to clarify in the Meta (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=24.0) section. Duplicate messages are prohibited, but if it involves translating a text modified beyond recognition, it's unlikely that the translation can be considered a duplication of the original text.

Yes, this can be done and it would not break forum rules.

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There is no rule (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0) for a duplicate translation :)

The only rule stating anything about duplicate posts states, in fact, that translations are permitted:

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Other than that, I would also want to inform WEB503 that I'll make a Romanian translation of this thread.

I'm not sure that some of the administrators won't see it as plagiarism. I have seen some bizarre examples of users being banned because they "plagiarized themselves" by reposting their own posts.

@WEB503 I think you should do some kind of quote with additions, be sure to provide a reference to the first posted translated thread, along with the necessary explanations with possible changes.

From that rule I can draw a conclusion, that the translation is permitted indeed, however, it can be assumed that we are talking here about the first ever translation, not the next versions of that translation into the language, into which some translation was previously made. That is what internetional meant, as far as I can see. And in this case it would be better to modify the OP in the translation that already exists, rather that create another one. Or simply add updates in the translation thread making a new post.

If you read carefully WEB503's post, you can see that the author of the current translation is not receptive. As a result, updating the current translation can not be done.

The second translation will not look precisely as the first one, therefore it can not be considered a duplicate. A duplicate would be a copy-paste of the first one.

In my experience I was once contacted by a Nigerian user which wanted to translate a topic of mine from those which I listed here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5379715.0). I explained to him to make sure he follows my stated rules or else I will not take his translation in consideration. He agreed. One of the rules was to send me a preview before publishing the translation and wait for my approval. As I expected (he had a low rank), he made a mess of a translation. And he also published it without my consent.

So I rejected the existence of that translation. Later, it was translated by someone else and the new user made a good translation thus I allowed him to publish it. That means that in Nigerian local board there are 2 translations for that topic of mine. One is a mess and one is good. Nobody suffered any punishment for publishing the second translation.

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Other than that, WEB403 please din here the Romanian translation of your topic: 📌 [banned mixer] - Anonimitate Maximă 🤖 Comision 1 - 5‰ (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5474018).

@WEB503 , here is the French translation of your ANN :

📌 [banned mixer] - Anonymat Maximum 🤖 Frais de 1 à 5‰ (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5474064.msg63158155#msg63158155)

I've already added the link of the Romanian version in the translation.

Please let me know if there's anything you don't agree with!

iwantmyhomepaidwithbtc2, GazetaBitcoin Thank you very much for taking the time to localize our thread!

I hope the threads you translated will be no less active than our main thread!  :)

I would send you a like (merit), but unfortunately I don’t know how often I can do this since at the moment I see “0” .

Thank you.

Yes, I'd like that too, at least more users will potentially hear about Webmixer  :)


You need to earn 2 merits to be able to send 1.

So if you already sent your 12 smerits, you cannot indeed send more for now.  :)

You are very welcome! It was a pleasure to do the translation.


Let's hope so! Oh and about your request (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5474018.msg63167647#msg63167647) from the translated topic, I already replied you there: there is a link toward your original thread (and also one nominating you as the author) :) Please look again.


Don't worry about that :) You'll can do it after you'll receive more merits.

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I also take this opportunity to let you know about 3 small typos I notices inside the original Webmixer thread:

1. Topic title indicates an incorrect fee: 📌 [banned mixer] - Maximum Anonymity 🤖 Fees 1 - 5‰
The fee is 1-5%, not 1 - 5‰. It should look like this: 📌 [banned mixer] - Maximum Anonymity 🤖 Fees 1 - 5%

2. This part contains 2 small typos: "[...] or you receive Bitcoins sent from exchanges. This coins is unlinkable [...]"

- it should be "bitcoins" instead of "Bitcoins" (when you refer to the currency "bitcoin" term should be used; "Bitcoin" is used for when referring to the network)
- "This coins is" should be changed with "These coins are"

I hope this helps.

This is not actually a typo. In the section in which our thread is located, there are many other threads whose names contain unusual Unicode characters. And we just wanted to find some kind of non-repeating symbol for the thread that would convey the essence and look quite unusual. I don’t think that anyone in real life constantly encounters this symbol (thousandths of a percent), so we considered it reasonable to add it to the name of the thread.

Thanks, this has been fixed.  :)

Glad I could help here :)


I understand that you looked for an out-of-ordinary symbol but, at same time, take into consideration that "‰", just like "%", is a mathematical symbol. Practically, in your topic title you are stating that you are charging fees 100 times smaller than in reality.

Then afterwards, within the thread, you are stating fees 100 times higher than those mentioned in topic title:


1-5% is 100 times greater than 1-5‰ and this may raise some (unpleasant) discussion at some point. My friendly recommendation is to forget about the "fanciness" of "‰" and use the correct symbol representing your fees, which is "%". This may be a long shot, but I've seen users tagged on this forum for far less that that. You never know who will read this and see that topic title states something then below other amounts are stated and from this someone could leave you an unpleasant feedback...

It's up to you how you'll proceed, I just gave you my two cents.

1-5% is 100 times greater than 1-5‰ and this may raise some (unpleasant) discussion at some point. My friendly recommendation is to forget about the "fanciness" of "‰" and use the correct symbol representing your fees, which is "%". This may be a long shot, but I've seen users tagged on this forum for far less that that. You never know who will read this and see that topic title states something then below other amounts are stated and from this someone could leave you an unpleasant feedback...

It's up to you how you'll proceed, I just gave you my two cents.
[/quote]I think it's unlikely that this would be a reason for a tag, especially given our intentions.

But still, we decided to listen to your advice and renamed the thread.  :)

WEB503, you know the saying -- better safe than sorry :) I salute your decision and I inform you that I also operated this change in the Romanian translation of the topic.

I also recommend you to contact French and German translators (iwantmyhomepaidwithbtc2 and Buchi-88) to perform this change as well. The other translations are not ready yet, so the translators will see the change when they'll do their translations...

Other than that, perhaps you can also eliminate the Russian translation from OP, since it's outdated and a new translation will be performed in Russian...? (If you want I can talk to a Russian native speaker and kindly ask if he wants to make a new translation in Russian language).

French translation is now updated

I'll talk to Klarki because I think he's the best candidate.  :)

Good day WEB503 and Icopress,

I translated your ANN thread in our Local Pilipinas

You can check it out here. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5474661.0

Thank you.

Thank you very much! We just edited the first page of the thread and added a link to the Philippine thread.  :)

WEB503, this is a heads-up regarding Romanian translation (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5474018) of your topic: I am happy to announce you that the pictograms from OP are now localized in Romanian!

Please take a look and see if they look good :)

Any news about this? Have you already finished the rebranding?

I started testing webmixer service but than I saw that rebranding is underway and I think that is a good idea.
After searching for a way to contact their support I saw that only way of contacting them is with Jabber and Telegram.
I tried contacting them but I never received any answer from them, so they really need to improve that.
Add email support and better be responsive when users are contacting you.

Jabber? It looks so out-of-date! It's interesting to know how popular this communication method is among Webmixer’s clients. It certainly seems more anonymous than Telegram. But do many people remember how to set it up at all?

You could suggest something more modern, like SimpleX Chat or 0xChat, for instance. The latter operates based on Nostr, which is quite similar to Bitcoin. Anyone who mastered Bitcoin would easily navigate Nostr as well.

I have to confess that I still use Jabber on a daily basis lol

However, I was also surprised to read that the support is available on Jabber, which I think is good, because unlike Telegram, Jabber gives you much more control over your data.

+1 for SimpleX, which would be a great addition!

If you take a look at BitcoinTalk's fields for instant messengers you'd say that Jabber is rocket science. The forum has fields for AIM, ICQ, MSN or Yahoo Messenger O0


SimpleX seems to offer full anonymity. It has open source code and its code was recently audited. As a plus, it requires no email, no phone number. For example, it is used also by eXch (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=577207.0), which are very focused on anonymity and privacy.

I have to confess that I have never heard about Jabber before 

Maybe it is really out-of-date, from those times when I didn't use any messenger since my parents didn't allow me to own gadgets ;D

But I will pay my attention to it, since telegram is far from anonymity and privacy.

It turns out that even bitcoins coming from an exchange can be flagged as dirty. Yesterday, my wife sent bitcoins from her account on kraken.com to my account on bitpapa.com. My Bitpapa account was blocked, and Bitpapa wrote:
If bitcoins from exchanges are no longer considered inherently clean, the purpose of exchanging non-exchange coins for exchange ones becomes obsolete.

Or maybe there's no “dirty” or “clean” bitcoin at all. Bitcoin is just Bitcoin but law enforcement and these centralized exchanges are trying so hard to make us think that our Bitcoin have to be “clean” if the source is anonymous, then they are not clean. Also, they are trying to force us into abandoning to use Bitcoins for daily activities for the fear of the bitcoins you own being tagged as “dirty”
Let's be honest, have you ever had anything like Clean dollars and dirty dollars? Should we say that the USD has never been used for Money Laundering or Financing terrorism?

If this trend continues, in a few years 90% of all Bitcoins will be "dirty".
In fact, We will return to the division of services that require KYC and proof of origin for each transaction and services that do not require it.

Nothing strange there, this can always happen on most centralized services and exchanges.
There are many reports of customers account getting frozen without explanation, and they can make up any story about this.
Even the tools they are using to say if specific bitcoin is ''clean'' or not is full of flaws and it was never known to be accurate.
You are lucky that coins will be returned to sender's wallet address.

I created this topic a while ago, in which you will find all the discussions related to Risk/AML score (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5471598.msg63051823#msg63051823)
These tools are not accurate and give results to the point that they cannot be relied upon as evidence in court and even Chainalysis failed to prove the accuracy of their results when there was an investigation.

The data showed that the volume of illegal transactions:

source https://amlcrypto.io

If the data is correct and compared to trading volumes and there is no regulated market, the percentage is very low.

Haha, are you amazed that coins coming from a legit exchange are flagged as dirty? That's how blockchain analysis works. All these AML scores and tags are bullshit, their algorithm doesn't work and I have a doubt that they tag transactions randomly to make it appear like their algorithm works and when you give them proof that your funds are clean and come from a legit source, they apologize and say that it was a false positive.

It's very bad that they represent bitcoin that way. First of all, if you are a victim of scam, that's not the fault of bitcoin. If you are a victim of theft, that's not the fault of bitcoin because you control your funds and if you lost them, search problem in yourself. I also think that they should put USD data next to Bitcoin to make things more clear.

I've actually encountered something similar. I provided evidence that my bitcoins came from an exchange, and the recipient (the P2P exchange platform Bitpapa) apologized for the misunderstanding and accepted the bitcoins by transferring them from the deposit address to their storage address. This surprised me, as it either meant that the AML tag was removed, or Bitpapa 'stained' their storage. Today, it became clear that the tag was unlikely removed. When I tried to transfer bitcoins from the Bybit exchange to Bitpapa's address, Bybit's compliance department warned of a high-risk level for that address, and attempting further transfers to any addresses of the same entity could result in a ban. Moreover, the Kraken exchange, from which my initial flagged transfer was made, seems to be facing a surge in complaints. Previously, their support responded within minutes, but now the response time has increased, and a query from December 11 remains unanswered.

Overall, I'm concerned that if Webmixer and other mixers openly claim to facilitate withdrawals from exchange addresses, AML services may be forced to deem all exchange addresses as high-risk.

Since the guys from Webmixer recently published a new version of their website, I would like to say a few words about my experience and impressions of interacting with this wonderful privacy tool, as well as about how Webmixer helps protect your privacy and anonymity of your financial transactions.

- As of today, Webmixer is a single-page application in which all interactions with the end user occuring without him having to jump and click through lots of pages. This not only helps to ensure a minimalistic, responsive and user-friendly design, but also helps users focus on the most important thing - ensuring their privacy with the help of transaction mixing tools.

- A combination of red, black and white colors of the light mode of the interface (the one that I personally prefer) impoves reading comprehension, motivating you to read all the FAQs present on the website very carefully to ensure the smooth interaction during mixing process.

- Needless to say that Webmixer website does not spy on you and does not analyze your activity by employing different trackers, you can check it for yourself by visiting this link: https://themarkup.org/blacklight?url=[banned mixer]&device=mobile&location=us

- As far as I understand, it also is not running any Javasctipt code on their website, at least enabling browser extensions like NoScript doesn't break its functionality.

- Based on the above observations, I can say with confidence that by interacting with this website you do not risk revealing your identity to third parties, which is a key factor when using such a tool.

- Moreover, Webmixer claims that all service information is wiped after 24 hours and that they doesn't keep any logs, which is also very good for keeping your privacy untouched, but unfortunately I dont't think it is possible to verify these claims.

- As for mixing process itself, it just works and works flawlessly: you can be sure that your deposit will have zero connections with your withdrawal.

I published an review in Portuguese (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5470410.0) before WebMixer changed their site design. Here's my experience:

Of the 3 ways to mix your bitcoins (Basic Anonymity, Precise Payment and Full Anonymity) I chose the first option that has the lowest fee (1-1,5%+0,00035 BTC) and got my bitcoins within the given mixing time (0-2 hours).

Although it says 'basic anonymity', I believe it would be very difficult (if not impossible) for someone to link my deposit and withdrawal addresses. So I'm happy with the results.

For a non-regular mixer user, all I can say is that I had a smooth experience using WebMixer.

I also tried the Webmixer's Telegram bot. It's an interesting service, but the Letter of Guarantee is written in Russian.. Maybe you can change it to English.

Still regarding the Letter of Guarantee, it's very hard to verify if it's genuine as I didn't find the key on the website.

About the Webmixer's new website design, it's clean and easy to use.. can't be better than that.. I loved the dark theme, btw.

1. Advertising/Promotional materials are in black/purple, but the website UI is white/red? It would make more sense to use white/purple for light mode. I can see how this can confuse some people thinking "Am I on the right website?".

2. Re: Source of coins: I assume "CLIENTS" meant other WebMixer users; but what is "STOCK EXCHANGES"?

3. Probably use periods(.) than commas(,) when doing decimals as the former is more widely adopted as far as I know(Correct me if I'm wrong).

4. Downloaded letter of guarantee file: assuming you're expecting your users to want to use your service multiple times, it's better to add a date and timestamp on the .txt file's file name rather than just using "LetterGuarantee.txt"

5. Grammatical issues in general. Hire a proofreader as wrong grammar can look scammy.

6. (Using the default English page): Under PRECISE PAYMENT, the How does it work? link is in Russian. Under MAX ANONYMITY,  Mixing Time is in Russian. Keep things consistent.

These might look too 'minimal' in some sense, but everything adds up for the entirety of the user experience.

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I am currently waiting to receive my mixed funds, but so far the experience has been smooth.

On another note: Precise Payment and Max Anonymity having 4-5% + 00007 BTC commission is quite expensive. This should be lowered if possible.

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EDIT: The "errors" I mentioned in this post wasn't necessarily grammatically "wrong", but they are worded in a way that they could give a different meaning.

• Innovative mixing technology brings anonymity to everyone. Innovative mixing technology that brings anonymity to everyone.
• You are not required to use any other cryptocurrencies Zero need to use other cryptocurrencies.
• The exact amount will be sent to the first address and the rest to the second The exact amount will be sent to the first address, then the rest to the second.
• Specify BTC addresses to receive coins Specify your BTC addresses that will receive the coins.
• The leading-edge anonymization algorithm in the "Complete anonymity" mode. The best there is. Our leading-edge anonymization algorithm guarantees complete anonymity.
• Immediate auto-deletion of data. Data on requests for mixing gets erased in 168 hr 168 hrs.
• YOUR RELIABLE SAFETY Just say 100% reliability

On the first attempt accessing the website, it keeps loading on Cloudflare checking I'm stuck there until I disable the desktop mode now I can access the site.

The design looks fine to me it was a dark version before and now it's a light version but you can switch to dark mode if you want under the menu or top-right corner.

All buttons are functional and fast same goes for the Tor browser all of them are functional. The page size is 80kb according to some checkers and the performance of the sites is great.

About "LetterGuarantee.txt" it shows the date, deposit/your BTC address, service fee, PGP fingerprint/signature, and warnings. The format is just the same as other mixers out there.

The mixing process on basic anonymity is smooth after waiting for a few hours it takes hours for me to receive BTC but I think the issue is due to network(transaction fee) spikes recently. Other options are a bit expensive so I can't afford to test them.

The only downside of this it uses a cloud flare which we know records the IP address of their customers/visitors. So I'm not sure but since you said you don't keep logs how about the Cloud flare? So I think better bring your customers to Tor link instead to avoid this.

Another thing is there are some issues with the website related to accessibility you need to fix them look at this link below.

- https://pagespeed.web.dev/analysis/https-webmixer-io/20r3dwjxjt?form_factor=mobile

I had the opportunity to finally test Web Mixer and my experience was pleasant for the most part but improvement is possible in my opinion.

Found it kind of annoying that for sums over 1 Bitcoin I am being forced to pay maximum Commission, which is 4 to 5 percent of the sum PLUS 0.0007 Bitcoin.  By the way I think there is a typo and the page says Comission instead of Commission.

The text you first see on the page is pretty confusing for me.  Maybe I am too tired.  But what does 'You are not required to use any other cryptocurrencies' mean?  I would remove that text honestly.  I never even thought this Mixer had any thing to do with other Cryptocurrencies.

Another confusing thing.  What is the 'STOCK EXCHANGES' source really?  Is it Centralized Exchanges?

If you go to Max Anonymity you are required to paste two Bitcoin Addresses even if the FAQ says it is not a requirement.  You can paste the same Address in both text fields but it is confusing.

This is a very small detail but I find it annoying that Basic Anonymity and Max Anonymity shows a completely different informative text above the text fields.

I would change it to as follows,

Or something like that.

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Both for your business and for clients it would be better in my opinion if the bigger Commission was for smaller Transactions and the other way around.  This way you make your clients choose to Mix more for less while you earn more on the long run.

Think about it.  I have to mix 5 Bitcoin.  This means I have to pay between 0.2007 and 0.2507 Bitcoin!  I would honestly rather choose to Basic Mix 1 Bitcoin five times and pay 0.05175 total Commission instead.  Even if the Outputs come from other clients instead of Stock Exchanges.  From me you would earn much less in consequence as I would prioritize not having to pay around 30 THOUSAND Dollars for every 10 Bitcoin I choose to Mix.  But maybe that is just me.

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I find it concerning that for Max Anonymity the page says

I wonder how difficult it is to link non Mixed Coins to Outputs, even if the Output Addresses receive Bitcoin from 'Stock Exchanges'.

I will give a hypothetical case.

I send 25.00000000 Bitcoin plus Fees to the Mixing Address.  I give you only one Output Address and you send me the Coins in a single Transaction.  First of all the Commission would be INSANE.  It is between ONE whole Bitcoin and 1.25 Bitcoin PLUS 0.0007!

The Transaction time is between instant and six hours.

For a Blockchain Analysis is this not an easy job to de anonymize or link as a Mixer using a very basic analysis program or something?  Some body sent 25.00000000 Bitcoin and in the next six hours some body else receives an amount between 23.74930000 and 23.99930000 Bitcoin from a Centralized Exchange.  Since you are not required to paste multiple Output Addresses you can send the total sum in multiple Transactions, it still is in my opinion an event pretty easy to link.

I believe it would provide more Privacy if there was an option to include more Output Addresses and each Address receives random sums until the entire Mixed Balance is returned to the client.

Today the blockchain fees were not too high, and I had a chance to try [banned mixer], too. I want to say that I really liked the concept of the site. The previous mixer I used before Webmixer was [banned mixer], and I couldn't even successfully order a service on it from the first attempt. It had so many sliders and settings that not every browser could handle them correctly. In contrast, Webmixer has everything designed to be as simple as possible. There's only one input field, prominently displayed. You enter your address, press the 'start cleaning' button, and that's it—nothing else is needed. It's impossible to get confused.

I only tried the interface in Russian, and the constant mention of 'cleaning' there puzzled me. The site clearly wants to demonstrate that its target audience is people who have bitcoins labeled as 'dirty.' Therefore, ordering the cheapest option, where it states that coins will come from Webmixer clients, is scary. I immediately started thinking that the coins I receive will likely be 'dirty.' If this is a marketing tactic aimed at motivating site visitors to order a more expensive service, then okay. If it happened accidentally, I recommend the mixer to find another word instead of 'cleaning' (for example, 'mixing'). Otherwise, they are discouraging customers who are not willing to pay 4-5% for anonymization.

The mixing itself went smoothly, as expected. There were only two points to note. Firstly, the service does not support P2TR addresses (it says 'BTC address error'). Secondly, if you press the 'Back' button in the browser to return to the screen where the address to send the coins is indicated, the address will no longer be the one initially shown. This can lead to problems. For example:
- the client ordered the service,
- the client saw the address, downloaded the guarantee letter,
- then the client somehow switched to another page (for example, by mistake),
- then the client returned back to copy the address,
- copied it,
- sent bitcoins there,
- encountered some difficulty,
- and then found out that the guarantee letter was for a completely different address (because pressing the 'back' button changed the address).
I don't know what can be done about this. Perhaps it makes sense to somehow warn about it.

Otherwise, everything is fine. The mixer works, and it mixes the coins as claimed.

I've been waiting for the new version to do a quick review, so let's go!  :)

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On the subject of aesthetics and the UI, I really like the fact that you've integrated a dark mode, it is always more than welcome.
Overall, I find the site beautiful, and very visually pleasing. I have nothing to say about that, everything is straight forward, intuitive. I think that having a simple navigation (especially compared to other more 'complex' mixers UI) is a safe bet, straight to the point. A lot of users prefer minimalist/simple interfaces.

At first, I tried to access Webmixer from Firefox with my usual VPN. But unfortunately I couldn't get past Cloudflare (I don't usually have this problem). I was stuck with CF loading again and again, same issue after deleting cookies or refreshing tab.
By changing servers I was also able to access the site with my VPN. Cloudflare isn't ideal in terms of privacy, but if I understand correctly, it seems difficult to find an equivalent as effective, so I understand. The vast majority of other mixers also use CF and not for nothing, so I guess we can't complain too much against CF usage..
No problem when using Tor, I can access the site. The site is very responsive overall, even the .onion is reactive, it's pleasant to use.

For the record, I use Firefox 121.0 on Debian and Android with Firefox Focus 119.0. I use the latest version of Tor browser.

I had already done a test with the "Basic" mixing mode and I was satisfied. The fee is low, and I had nothing in particular to say about it.
It's true that with "Precise" mode (which I used for my recent test) and "Max anonymity" mode the fee is 4 to 5 times higher, but personally, I'm not the kind of user who really wants to keep his fees as low as possible. For me, privacy comes at a price, and I'm ok to pay 5% if the service is reliable and efficient.
So I won't criticise you for the price of the service, but I do think that you could maybe increase the minimum deposit for 'Max' mode:

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I reckon that 0.003 BTC minus (4-5% + 0.0007 BTC) can lead to unhappy begginer/new users, so why not set the minimum at 0.01 like for the "Precise" mode?
It's like with my coinjoin wallet, I know that below about 0.01, the operation isn't really profitable in any way.

Otherwise, I've tried to find the origin of the coins I've received back from the mixer, and I haven't been able to. I'm not a specialist in blockchain analysis, but I've tried several tools and explorers, and nothing has allowed me to trace my funds.

I've used several services and bots to try and check the origin of the funds (I know we shouldn't put too much trust in these services, but knowing that the big groups use them, I always find it interesting to see the results), everything seems to be fine. At least, nothing unusual:

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Talking about your FAQ:

I'm not sure it's wise to recommend this google search to novice users. When I do the search myself, the first result is ViaBTC so that's ok, but the others are all either scams or excessively expensive. The number of scams relating to transaction accelerators is huge. Maybe you could redirect your users directly to ViaBTC to avoid a potential scam? or tell them to "DYOR".

I like the fact that we can contact you on Jabber. SimpleX could be a good way to communicate with your users, maybe more popular?

Last suggestion: perhaps you could consider registering your service on kycnot.me?  :)

Next time, I will test your Telegram Bot (and give you a feedback on another platform)

I would like to share my experience with this mixer. I've already used it 2 or 3 times.


NEW WEBSITE
The previous version was very dark and gave the impression of something very dark, and a recondite location hidden on the internet. A very hardcore look. The new site is already different, in addition to having a light option, the dark version is less hardcore and has a fresher look and not so dark. I liked it, congratulations on the improvement.

In turn, the dark mode, much more beautiful than the light mode. The light mode is very simple and basic, with a white background and then the rest of the site's elements, nothing special. I believe they could try to work on the light mode a little more, to make it equally beautiful.

I liked seeing that in dark mode, they use a background image of a street at night, which looks really good. Maybe they could take that image and put it in light mode, the street during the day. Here's a suggestion.

Otherwise, my experience using the site itself was pleasant, in the clearnet version (the only one I used).
It should also be mentioned that throughout my visit to the site and the time I was on it, I was asked to validate on Cloudflare several times. I noticed that this happened because sometimes I spent some time without clicking anywhere on the website. But this type of website takes some time without moving around. Therefore, perhaps it would be good to try to reduce validation time.


MIXING
Regarding the mixing process, I found it simple and practical to use. Getting more intuitive with this new design.

In this experience in this new version, I used the "Max Anonymity" option, but it seems that it had similar behavior to "Precise Payment". This is because in the end I received a certain amount at the first address and the remaining amount at the second address. This is because in the end I received a certain amount at the first address and the remaining amount at the second address. I don't know if it was just pure coincidence, based on the value being mixed. But, I think it would make more sense for both addresses to receive values that are not so certain. Anyway, it's nothing serious, just something I noticed.

The entire mixing process went normally and as expected. There is just one detail that I didn't appreciate. When you go to the page where the deposit address is indicated, it appears in capslock letters and in white (in dark mode - the one used):
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Since I'm used to seeing the address written in a mixture of capslock and lowercase letters, it seems that I have more difficulty in being able to validate that I am carrying out the transaction to the correct address. Maybe this is just a prayer on my part, but I think they should use a mix of capslock and lowercase letters to write this address. And in dark mode, they should use a color other than white, like red.

Other than that, I think everything went well, and it was a good experience. Continuation of a good work.

The mixers (weblinks) are unfortunately forbidden in the future but a small overview of the new design of Webmixer. And a short guide on how to use the mixer.

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I like the new design in any case once good, there are then also two settings light or dark design, is a matter of taste.

To use it, simply select the desired anonymity and enter the Bitcoin receiving address. The different anonymity levels naturally have different fees.

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If you send more than one Bitcoin, the highest anonymity level is automatically selected, send the Bitcoin to the specified address and don't forget to download the letter of guarantee and wait until the new Bitcoin arrives at the desired address.

Easy to use, perfect for privacy.