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From my experience and observations, I noticed both Bitcoin mixing and online gambling using Bitcoin are mostly regarded as bad actors in Bitcoin despite both being the highest Bitcoin adopters and having the largest Bitcoin volume in transactions and services.
Secondly, if Gambling and Bitcoin mixing services are called bad actors, what about centralized exchanges are they also perceived as bad actors in Bitcoin?

I don't think that mixing falls into the category of bad actors in Bitcoin world. They are doing a great job for cleaning our of bitcoins and are increasing the privacy. The use case might make somewhat fall into the category of bad actors, however that doesn't makes them bad actor.

Gambling has always been called as a bad actor for the society either in Bitcoin world or in fiat world. The Gambling has caused some trouble for those drunkards who plays without any control over their emotions and lose everything in the game. Other than that general point of view the gambling in Bitcoin is also as harmless as other forms of gambling, but it depends on the one who is gambling.

Centralized exchanges are the best actors, calling them as bad actors is an insult to the whole crypto-community. It's because of those centralized exchanges that many new users have been able to start crypto trading. Those centralized exchanges are user-friendly and they are easy to work with for beginners. They offer so good service to the users and thus as a result the crypto users are getting hinger in number.

I think The reason why the mixing of Bitcoin and online gambling is often called bad actors in Bitcoin is because of the presumption that it is related to illegal activities such as money laundering and other illicit transactions. Additionally, Bitcoin's anonymity and decentralization make it an attractive option for those involved in such activities.

However, it is important to note that not all Bitcoin mixing services and online gambling are inherently bad, and many legitimate businesses operate in the industry and provide value to their users and As for centralized exchanges, they face scrutiny for example for issues like security breaches, market manipulation, and lack of transparency but it is also undeniable that they also play an important role in the Bitcoin ecosystem by providing liquidity and facilitating the buying and selling of cryptocurrencies.

different things for different reasons

gambling is trying to get wealthy via high risk

people entering bitcoin can do wiser things to increase their wealth. by hoarding bitcoin. but to then hand bitcoin to a service who in most cases has algos where "the house always wins" is not wealth creating. its the DREAM or the pursuit or the fantasy of wealth creating. where in over half of cases people lose. yep for each winner must be a loser. and the higher the multiplier win reward of gambling is, means the more losers are needed to fund the winner.

bitcoin is different. bitcoins risk management is different. avoid putting funds into third parties promising riches
i can guarantee you no one went from rags to lambos via gambling

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mixing is a fake promise made by criminals desparate to grab innocent peoples funds and palm off criminal gains on those innocent people. leaving the innocent people holding the bag of red flags that make services suspicious.
mixing DOES put people onto watch lists. its in regulations in services own polices. its not something you should ignore even though the criminals think its not a thing. all they care about is recruiting innocent people to hand over funds. they dont care about the innocent people after handing them ill gotten gains.

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cex's if regulated will pass on details if you are flagged for suspicious behaviours. this means if you stay clean "government" wont know about you. however CEx and any service can and does sell your information to other businesses, so read their policies to see what they do with your data. and if you dont like the terms. dont use them. especially the ones that mention things like "we can close your account for any reason without warning"

To me, Bitcoin gambling is largely neutral, as it's just another form of human entertainment, and I enjoy using BTC for occasional gambling and sports betting myself. It's indeed a good use case for Bitcoin, where it's treated as a currency rather than just as an investment. But mixing is another thing entirely, as it's not really a field in which Bitcoin is used. Instead, it's a tool used for Bitcoin, to make it 'clean', untraceable. The concept itself is very much like money laundering, which is why mixers are justifiably treated as 'bad actors, I believe, even though some may use them just for privacy reasons.
As for centralized exchanges, they can be legitimate businesses (like Binance) or something very risky and waiting to perform an exit scam. So exchanges are neutral actors.
Truly positive cases of using Bitcoin are when it's used for charities, for good causes.

You have a great point. But I would try to break it down for you the best way I can.

#Bitcoin gambling and bitcoin mixing: this are considered bad by people because of morals, this isn’t a concrete view because morals differs, gambling isn’t illegal (atleast in many countries) and people has different motive for using Bitcoin mixing higher reason is to protect their privacy (anonymous). Honestly if no one is hurt or any one funds stolen then there is nothing bad using any of the two.

#Centralized Exchanges: every strong bitcoin enthusiast would know that centralized exchange goes against the value of crypto-currency which is decentralization, there are dangers and live examples is the bankruptcy of FTX where many lost their funds, attacks on Trust Wallet where over $100,000 was stolen. Centralized exchange doesn’t give you that autonomy even over your own funds which is bad.

Did you say online gambling using Bitcoin? As if Bitcoin is the only currency you can use to gamble online, how about USD? If Bitcoin is bad because of gambling so is Fiat, and others, many people don't like gambling because the risk is the highest, it's on the same level with HYIP if you are familiar with it, gambling is gambling and most people don't like it, this has nothing to do with Bitcoin, some gamblers prefer to use Bitcoin as the currency for gambling if no casino is accepting Bitcoin no one will use Bitcoin for gambling.

Bitcoin mixers are for covering tracks when moving your Bitcoin but the government doesn't like this, they believe that bad actors, criminals, and drug dealers will be using mixers to move illegal funds around the globe and the money will be untraceable.

Mixers became a thing after Bitcoin was launched, bitcoin isn't to be blamed for this, mixer stands alone and gambling stands alone, if you don't like them then stay away, I have never used mixers for once because I don't need them but I do gamble responsibly, many people can't control their greed, such people should not get involved with gambling.

Do not mind the rubbish.

Gambling is not illegal, but you can see Muslims or some people that detest gambling because of their religion to call it illegal with passion.

Some people are not also using mixers only what they know is that mixers are used by bad actors, they do not know that banks and centralized exchanges too are used by some bad actors.

Let me answer your question.
Assuming I am into internet fraud, I scammed a white woman using western union or money gram, I successfully scammed the woman without trace. I can decide to use exchanges. There are some scammers that have been linked to exchanges. Not only that, there are some scammers that are using exchanges too to do their work, not all scam transactions can be known or investigated.

Life is scam if you can not avoid scam.

By bad actor terms means its a services often use by criminals to commit crime such as money laundering. It’s not literally the bad guy that committing the crime. Mixing and Online Gambling is commonly use for mixing purposes to commit money laundering because they offer an easy way to create privacy on someone coin especially if it was obtained through illegal activity.

Mixer and Gambling is not a bad services. Actually, It’s the industry that gives volume huge volume on Bitcoin. The problem are those bad people that using it to commit the crime which they can’t regulate because they promised privacy.

Gambling and mixing services are often labeled as "bad actors" within the Bitcoin community due to several reasons. Firstly, gambling using Bitcoin raises concerns about the integrity and transparency of the platforms involved. Unregulated gambling sites can be prone to fraud, unfair practices, and lack of player protection. Additionally, the anonymity provided by Bitcoin can attract illicit activities and money laundering.

Bitcoin mixing, on the other hand, is perceived negatively because it allows users to obscure the transaction history and break the traceability of funds. While privacy is an important aspect of cryptocurrencies, mixing services can be exploited for illegal purposes, such as hiding the source of illicitly obtained funds or evading taxes.

These negative perceptions are not unfounded, as there have been instances of scams, fraud, and criminal activities associated with both gambling and mixing services. However, it's crucial to note that not all gambling platforms or mixing services are inherently bad. Regulated and licensed gambling operators and responsible mixing services exist, emphasizing transparency, fairness, and compliance with legal requirements.

Ultimately, the goal should be to promote responsible and secure use of Bitcoin, ensuring that gambling and mixing services operate within a regulated framework that safeguards users and prevents illicit activities.

I think it has to do with the connotation attached to gambling and gambling addiction plus Money laundering etc.   Bitcoin mixing and online gambling are often associated with illegal activities such as money laundering and gambling addiction, which is why they have a negative connotation in the Bitcoin community, even though not all Bitcoin mixing and online gambling services are used for illegal purposes.

As for exchanges, exchanges are not inherently considered bad actors in the Bitcoin community. though there have been instances of centralized exchanges being hacked or engaging in fraudulent activities, which has led to the loss of user funds. but inherently not considered bad actors. thanks

why is CEX considered a bad actor in Bitcoin? it is precisely because of CEX that crypto adoption is easier and crypto trading is more secure. even though there are several cases where CEX went bankrupt or took the money away, this is only natural, because that is the negative thing about CEX, but that doesn't make CEX a bad actor in Bitcoin, we have to see it in full, because there are still many other CEX platforms that run their services well.

Bitcoin's enemies will target any controversial link between Bitcoin and any activity that might be linked to crime. They know that not all gambling operations are bad actors, but the concentrate on the ones that are, because it suits their agenda.

The same goes for "Mixer" services.... not everyone that use mixer services ..are criminals. I use mixer services to break the link between my main hoard of bitcoins and the other wallets that I use to protect myself.... not for criminal reasons.  ::)

Gambling source is included in high risk money because not all countries are allow to gamble and some people who live in restricted jurisdiction can gamble as long as the casino doesn't restrict their jurisdiction. They also can use VPN despite their internet provider blocking the casino domain, usually the casino will ask to verify KYC to make sure the gambler not lying.

Mixing source is included in high risk because the government don't like privacy and want to control or monitor everything.

Both services are, from the viewpoint of the government, bad actors because they make it so much harder to pin out the money launderers and other undesirables, as the government would view them...

The Bitcoin community itself would not consider these services as bad actors unless they are scams. Ironically, unregistered/unlicensed gambling casinos as well as anonymous mixers can be considered shady because if they decide to scam their clients, there is nothing the clients can do since the services are out of the government's reach.

If you were to ask me, I would consider the government itself a bad actor (too much incompetence and corruption in politics), but a necessary one to keep such services in check.

They'll link to anything they want to just to give that bad impression for bitcoin. Look, they're already concluding that mixers and casinos are bad things but aren't they looking at the good side of it that it increases someone's privacy if he uses a mixer?
Whilst in gambling, is there any different from it as someone does bitcoin gambling and those that are gambling in the traditional casinos? I don't think that there's that much difference on it as it's just someone who gambles bitcoin as the currency and someone goes to the casinos that gambles with fiat, they're bias and simply hate bitcoin.

I don’t see anything bad in bitcoin mining and online gambling, the only reason why I think bitcoin mixer is tag as a bad actor is because they believe it’s used for illegal activities, they believe most stolen bitcoins is always sent to bitcoin mixer just to lose track of the bitcoin. Also they see online gambling as a bad actor because they believe it leads to gambling addiction. But most of them are wrong, not everyone that uses bitcoin mixer use it for illegal activities, some use it just for privacy sake and online casino those not leads to addiction, only if you choose to be addicted.

Firstly we must recognize that Bitcoin can achieve its goals and objectives without gambling and mixers. Bitcoin is a currency that is used for transactions and investments. Both gambling and mixers are services that adopted bitcoin or affiliated themselves with the coin.

We should also know that almost every good product or service can be misused by negative actors. Drugs are essential in the medical field but bad actors convert them to harmful substances. Guns are used for hunting and self-defense but criminals use them to commit atrocities. I can mention more examples. Using bitcoin for gambling is like using fiat for staking, it becomes a problem when it leads to addiction or is used for criminal activities like money laundering.

Mixers are wonderful services that promote privacy and I am a fan because it suits my way of life. I have never been engaged in any criminal activity but I like the mixing services. But it doesn't need that criminal elements will not take advantage of this great product. And the use of this service by criminals doesn't make the service bad.

Let's just be clear here, mixing is not that bad, perhaps there are bad actors (terrorists, drug dealers, hackers and others), that might take advantage of mixing services or tumblers. And that's where the whole notion that mixing service is really bad and just cater to this kind of individuals. However, I think majority are using mixing for their privacy and anonymity.

As for crypto based gambling, I don't see wrong with it, gambling is the first use case of bitcoin for all we know.

So that argument is very flaw in the beginning, maybe those who tell that mixing and gambling are bad are those who are anti-bitcoin.

I want to clarify the question back to you, are Bitcoin actors or individuals themselves abusing the power of decentralization?

Because basically it is impossible for us to generalize Bitcoin as a whole as the bad actor behind the ongoing action? have you ever heard of humanitarian donations in the form of Bitcoins? so we talk about actors, both individuals and specific groups. So it is difficult to find the background that a fully centralized exchange provides facilities or access to any crime. They have enforced KYC/AML, so neither CEX nor Bitcoin as an option can be assigned to any category of criminals , except users who must be prosecuted.

This is what has been said again. People accused or call it bad name because of their selfish interest. But I believe nobody that has come here in the forum will still have that mentality again. As it is now in the whole world, there are two major actors in economics perception. The pro-government and the pro bitcoin. The pro government are the people who see bitcoin as a bad actor while the pro bitcoin also see the government their enemy in progress. But the exchange are not bad actors but they are mediators between the government and the nbitcoiners.

The one who accuses mixing and gambling as "bad actors" is simply someone who dislikes Bitcoin.

The mixing service is actually very useful for people to remain anonymous regarding their ownership of crypto assets. It makes it untraceable, thus ensuring that one's personal assets are safer from both cyber threats and serious physical threats. In my opinion, the government will be disadvantaged by the existence of Bitcoin mixing because they cannot accurately trace the assets of their citizens. Unhealthy competition is beginning to arise, as the government uses its power to try and dismantle the mixing industry by framing it in popular media.

Meanwhile, I find that gambling with Bitcoin is more comfortable than gambling in person at a casino. Perhaps the gambling industry feels threatened and is also framing the use of Bitcoin for gambling as "bad actors."

This is simply a question of morality and not legality. For gambling yes in the distant past it was perceived by different jurisdiction to be an activity for people who are not able to find jobs to engage themselves, feed their families. It was peculiar classification of unemployed people, better definition for laziness and those looking for easy virtue. Back then the above description is the way African society see gambling and gamblers, a terrain for unsuccessful people, drunks and unuseful hands.

Also, you already understand what bitcoin mixer is. When a mixer company receive bitcoin from different people and utters or mixes them so that the original traceable identity will be lost and you can't trace the wallet where it was sent out from or whatever quantity sent or to be delivered afterwards. You see by simple understanding, it appears as if it is an illicit act but the debate about mixers is on the intent but not really on the process, the intent of which is to maintain the decentralized operations of bitcoin. So you now see different understanding and government alleging money laundering, drug paddling and other nefarious activities against bitcoin mixing. This is the background understanding of the reason associated with gambling and bitcoin mixing as bad actors but IMO, it all depends on the intent for mixing which I believe is for freedom exclusion of third party and the reason for gambling rate apart from fun is decrease in access to job.

So if you agree with this mundane analysis, you would understand why they are being associated as bad actors because if you look through the mirror of morality then you could see those vices.


Exchanges scamming investors who innocently hodl coins with them should be considered as such. They are bad actors because they discourage people from investing and growing bitcoin. The law should be implemented against them however, it is better to invest wisely, not your key not your coins.

I think it's because perhaps, some bad actors use bitcoins to launder their money in casinos so they are not detected in doing money laundering. After all, when they buy bitcoins on the black market, they transfer the money to the seller and the seller either sends the bitcoins to another wallet or sends them directly to a bitcoin mixer. So perhaps, that's why bitcoin mixers are often seen as providing money laundering services when they are not.

Bitcoin mixing is like a double-edged sword that can be used for good and bad, depending on the person using it. So actually, what to chase are bad people who use bitcoin mixing for bad things but it won't be easy to trace them because they are also smart in hiding everything.

This can of mindset is rubbish and should be discarded just as you rightly said,  gambling and mixing services are the biggest adoptors and that is correct, and you have made the right choice to ask thos questions for clarification and with the numerous replies you got from this thread you should be ok with them already.

But just to serve as a head up for your ops, you shouldn't worry about what is called bad actors or not but in due time you will realize that the gambling industry most especially is the biggest adopter of Bitcoin and also Bitcoin mixing is one of the most used for mixing services.

It is kind of a mixture of hypocrisy and the stigma which is left from the earlier days of Bitcoin, when it was regarded as a tool which was only useful for criminals and money launderers.

The fact is that Bitcoin and the people behind this new kind of money did not invent either gambling or money fungibility. Gambling is almost as old as humanity itself and if someone tells you that Bitcoin gambling is bad, then you should ask them back what they think of casinos in real life and whether if they are against people having freedom on what to do with their own hard-earned money.

On mixing, one must wonder if every time to go to the store to buy a candy and pay with a bill, the vendor would ask you about the entire history of the bill from its printing years ago until the day you got it to pay for candy. Even though you are not a criminal but rather the most honest person in your city  ::)

They are trying to associate Bitcoin to alleged problems which already were around before computers were even conceived.

Gambling and crypto mixing are constantly considered bad actors in the crypto space because of there disadvantages that most people focus on and the historical aspect of what has happened which is associated with gambling and crypto mixing with illegal or unethical activities.
From my own understanding, gambling is not considered a bad actor only in the crypto space it was also considered a bad actor in real life due to religion believe, people's personal understanding, and experience. Nevertheless, the bad actor of gambling mostly occurs through abuse and uncontrol of buzz which usually lead to addiction, debt, and possible fraud problem. It is also possible for gamblers to misuse their fiat or cryptocurrency to trigger their addiction which will technically lead to significant financial losses.

Crypto mixing or tumbling is something that involves the provision of privacy in the cryptocurrency space and the FinCen recognized and welcomes it (https://www.fincen.gov/sites/default/files/2019-05/FinCEN%20Guidance%20CVC%20FINAL%20508.pdf). However, people see it as a bad actor due to some people use it to facilitate money laundering and other illegal activities.

Everyone has their own perspective on the use of Bitcoin mixers and gambling. While some law enforcement agencies dislike mixers as they can be used by money launderers and hackers, many people also have a negative view of gambling due to its addictive nature. It's relatively easy for gamblers to use Bitcoin to gamble, which is why Bitcoin gambling is often associated with bad actors. However, even if Bitcoin gambling didn't exist, there are plenty of fiat payment systems that gamblers could use, so it's not fair to attribute all bad behavior to Bitcoin gambling alone.

one person gone from money worth buying a shirt(around $25) to buying a lambo, through his discipline.
first he losed most of his saving gambling emotionally  then figured out a way to profit from it, simple strategy make reasonable amount in a day and end the gambling session on losing day.
but to do that need discipline to stop.

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maybe small or new exchanges can be bad actors,
but exchanges are very helpful to buy bitcoin and they have high liquidity. keeping crypto on exchanges for long time is not good.

Mixing is not an "adopter". It's an activity done to hide the trail of transactions. Yes gambling can be told as number 1 activity done using bitcoin and it's bad because of general nature of gambling itself, it has nothing to do with bitcoin specifically. Talking about centralized exchanges, the difference is that centralized exchanges are not created for the sole purpose of mixing Bitcoins, also i believe they keep a complete trail of how money is moving around, so traceability is obviously not erased in such cases. I assume the mixers delete this history as well.

You are taking the point of view of the governments and not the one from the community, casinos and exchanges are widely regarded as two of the most important industries on this market, and as long as they have their papers in order I do not think there is any kind of controversy when it comes to their services, mixers on the other hand provoke different reactions, with some being in favor of them as they increase our privacy while some may be against them as they could help some criminals to get away with their crimes.

Bitcoin mixing and online gambling have been given the stink eye in the crypto 'hood. True, they've got ties to shady dealings and sketchy conduct, but I'd argue it's mostly 'cause peeps lack the information on these services. Take Bitcoin mixing, a wicked tool for upping privacy and security in cyberspace. Scrambling transactions and making the blockchain go incognito, mixers thwart Big Brother and cyber baddies, adding a shield against their prying eyes.

And let's gab about online gambling, a legit, wicked fun way to blow off steam, if you play it cool and use a safety net. Plus, it's a boss force for spreading Bitcoin love and keeping the dough flowing in the ecosystem. So, I get why peeps might give 'em the side-eye, but we need to dial up the nuance and knowledge. By recognizing the pros and cons, we can have a smarter chitchat about their place in the Bitcoin universe. Suit up!

again as said in many topics about mixing. people forget that regulations are real ,. READ THEM and learn

its not about the fud of simple buy a candy bar and be treated as a criminal if you cant prove provenance of funds

its about a % risk where there are thresholds

if a kid handed a $100 for a 99cent candy bar asking for $99.01 in change THEN the store would question the $100 bank note and double check its not a counterfeit
if the kid handed a $1 bill the cashier wont care and just give the kid the candy and 1 cent without thinking twice about it

and yes in drug infested cities of street dealing kids, candy stores do raise their eyebrows when they see gold bling wearing teens hand out $100 bill like confetti
and thats even for candy stores not regulated to KYC customers. shop keepers till get suspicious. they accept it but they do get suspicious about the $100 bank notes and the shop keeper then keeps an eye on that customer if they are a regular and start to ask about their life because its out of the ordinary

i do laugh that the quoted person wanted to compare mixers to candy stores... but oh well

with exchanges its the same your given a risk rating.
if all your deposits are all mixed sourced then you have a higher risk rating than someone that does not use a mixer
meet a threshold and they start to look closer at you

deposit $10. dont worry.. however deposit $1k-$10k-$100k, then expect to be on a watch list with more involved investigation reporting the higher the risk/amount is
government, regulators and authorities dont chase after criminals or suspects over $1-$10. they want the big fish

Just because the transaction can't be traced people term it to be bad. Mixing service were used for illegal transaction and for tax evasion and other benefits. This could give a negative impression over bitcoin and not everyone have such thoughts. These are people who already have negative thinking over bitcoin as a bad thing.

When it comes to gambling, there is a misunderstanding bitcoin is developed for gambling and for illegal needs. In the early days the gambling platforms have helped much in the growth of bitcoin. Now scenario is different and people use for different needs. Even now relating it with gambling is not fair. People should understand how big is the market and what part gambling holds.

Even on fiat world on which gambling does really have that bad image and this would pertains or in connection with addiction which is something that been highly frowned upon which it isnt something new nor shocking.
As for mixing then expect that government would be always focusing about that money laundering thing which its no surprise but if we do look up closely on what are the things around then fiat is mainly been used
with these transactions and they are really just diverting the attention just because they do simply hate it on the first place.This is why as an enthusiast then you would be calling these things as bullshit reasoning
without even trying out to focus on what they are gonna supposed to do and minding their own business. No matter how bad it would be looking but still people on the community and its supporters do really look the
opposite and this is why we do see on how it did able to sustain after a decades time. This is why government is really that too negative and keeps on sharing up that bad image about it.

they dont though
by simply using mixers. gets you highlighted

real the regulations and polices of financial businesses. realise mixers dont hide you but get you put into the sights of overwatch

ok imagine this simple thing
imagine a busy street with people walking up and down sidewalks going about with their day. then there are 2 guys with suitcases.
one guy just goes about his business as usual another guy has been instructed to run behind bushes, stay in the shadows. duck behind cars.

now guess what.. everyone on same sidewalk will think thats silly movement is the odd behaviour
yep the one trying to hide is the one that stands out

now the guy trying to hide has many people looking at him wondering what peculiar movements he is doing. now they are curious wondering what he is upto

yep by actually trying to hide gets you noticed.

understand that fact of life.

putting aside the other silly bad PR campaigns of mixers. and whos pushing them hard. just using a mixer creates a red flag when using financial services.

Lucky me, I never heard that both as bad actors. Until today, I just heard that Bitcoin is very useful to hide your privacy and wealth from curious people, so that situation that makes your life is saved from criminals who want to know how much your treasure is. So, maybe because you know that both from the forum or social media only who always spread FUD everywhere. because when you know how helpful Bitcoin safe your privacy and wealth than another platform like a bank, I really sure you will exchange all your investments to bitcoin.

what I see here is depending on whom who are looking and calling it such ,

There are reputation about Mixing site that had been questioned as they are being used to be a cause of money laundering , but that is the other part and what we are not discussing about how the mixing site helping us to be safer as we are not being exposed .

so all in all? it is not about being bad actor but about the good one.


also in Gambling site , it has been an old call because now? each site required their players to wager first and some are even bigger that the launderer will consider this as risk ,
so the winner will be the site than that who wanted to launder .

I would say this that the CEX are crypto regulatory   arm of  government and the government discreetly use it to get at individuals and government officials who goes against her policies. Centralized exchange as the name implies only shows you that they are the government puppets to fight against perceived  oppositions into cryptocurrency. The centralized exchange steal your identity to supply  the government upon any request  and possible placement.

Using Bitcoin is frowned upon, so we are all bad actors! it's just a circumstantial fact.

Even till today gamblers are still classified as irresponsible people in parts of the society where materialism is looked down on. But for those who make money their god, they have soft spot for gamblers and give the excuse that they do it because they are unemployed since government can not provide jobs for everybody. That excuse should not be accepted because there are unemployed people who also see gambling as evil, it is not about religiosity but of morality like you mentioned. Mixers are seen as more of aiding money laundering than a legal business and that is why they are often chased and harassed by government. You are correct in all you pointed out.

Everyone has a different point of view, but I don't consider Bitcoin Mixers and Gambling to be bad acts because of privacy and passion.
People gamble for fun, while others gamble for a high return in a short period of time, taking a very high risk in the process.
While people use mixers to get fully secured, mixers also provide us with privacy, and according to the Bitcoin rule of anonymity, mixers are excellent tools to use in order to achieve that anonymity in Bitcoin.


Well yes! Because we do reveal our privacy in form of KYC for centralized exchanges which is very wrong.


Centralized exchanges are very useful, especially when purchasing Bitcoin if you are unable to obtain it through peer-to-peer trading, and it also increases the rate of Bitcoin adoption in some parts of the world because some people find out about Bitcoin through CEX.
The main risk is leaving your Bitcoin in their custody; you should move your Bitcoin to personal wallets rather than leaving them in the exchange.

What makes both seem bad is the abuse of privacy and betting, otherwise both (privacy and betting) are good if not abused/misused.
Luckily Bitcoin users can choose to avoid or reject coins they found to be mixed or from gambling... unless the coins are from responsible mixing or betting sites. And by responsible mixing/betting sites, I mean sites that prevent or discourage crime money or gamblers from going through them.
In regards to Centralized Exchanges, you could consider them bad if they are not regulated properly by governments and depending on how far they deviate from the Bitcoin Principles.

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Unlike fiat system, Bitcoin is public and transparent enough for all to see and decide whether to accept or reject coins linked to good or evil works.

Due to the drawbacks that the majority of people focus on and the historical component of what has occurred, which links gambling and crypto mixing with illegal or immoral acts, these activities are constantly viewed as bad actors in the cryptocurrency sector.
My sense is that gambling is not just viewed negatively in the crypto realm; it is also negatively viewed in real life owing to religious beliefs, people's personal experiences, and other factors.
However, the bad actors in gambling are usually those who abuse and lose control of the buzz, which typically results in addiction, debt, and even potential fraud issues. Additionally, gamblers have the potential to abuse fiat currency or cryptocurrencies to start their addiction, which would theoretically result in sizable financial losses.

The irresponsible gamblers are the bad actors giving Bitcoin a general bad look from those who don't understand Bitcoin and that's because those gamblers don't know how to manage risks when gambling, Bitcoin is not to be accused of gambling. After all, gamblers can use local currencies to gamble too.

A person becoming addicted to gambling has nothing to do with Bitcoin, Bitcoin was created as a decentralized digital currency, and itblame. Casino owners are aware of this, and they accept Bitcoin payments.

Bitcoin was never a gambler's currency, it was not created as a gambling currency, people lack the knowledge that's why they put all blames om Bitcoin, if they can at least try to learn they will know they've wrongly accused Bitcoin.

In my opinion, it is not the same for several reasons.
Firstly, since exchanges go and will continue to go with automated software to check the blockchain path of the deposits, they can adjust their filters to check on deposits as small as they consider to be necessary. Unlike cash.

I can go with a 100$ bill to buy anything and that is okey, it may be different on exchanges.

Also, if I was a drug lord and I deposited 20$ to Binance I could get flagged, if the funds came from the bulk of the illegally obtained satoshis, on the other hand in the same situation, I could take a 20$ from the mountain of dirty money in my narco bunker and buy something with it and no reasonable human being would check for the bill serial number in a data base before selling me a pizza.

 :P

It all boils down to scam accusations and allegations of tolerating hackers.

Looking at the signature campaign I represent (a mixing website), I think I have all the rights to put out my two cents in the issue.

The main reason why Mixing is getting hate nowadays is due to the media sensationalizing Cryptocurrency Mixers, and due to allegations in the past of hackers turning to Mixers to wash off their stolen bitcoins. Which happened sparingly in the past don't get me wrong, but nowadays don't happen as much, especially since mixers are becoming more and more intelligent by the day, and most cryptocurrencies are stolen in exchanges, which they themselves employ contingencies for large-scale hackings.

As for the cryptocurrency gambling industry being hated on, I have very little idea. But I can infer that it may have something to do with some sites, especially ones that are irreputable committing fraud against their customers by not paying them their correct wins or locking their cryptos in their gambling accounts and then closing them without notice.

Things are bad only when you use it for a bad purpose. Nothing is bad unless it is used in such a way that to people it seems bad. Same could be said about all mentioned things in this OP.  
Mixing is a way to preserve your privacy and to keep yourself safe. But when you combine that with criminal acts, it becomes bad. Same thing with gambling. As long as it doesn't become an addiction, it's all fun and game.
Now to think that if centralized exchanges are as bad as those two examples. It is possible, because as I said before, when you use it for a bad cause, it is bad. And to think it in other way, bitcoin is decentralized and should not be kept in centralized exchanges. Bitcoin looses its whole purpose, and are you really hodling your BTC when you keep them in CEX? It is not your coin until you withdraw it in a personal decentralized wallet.

Where did you get the idea that they are considered "bad actors" and "in Bitcoin"? Bitcoin community certainly views them favorably. I can only think of the regulated exchanges that are avoiding transactions from these services because of potential troubles with the law - unlicensed casinos could be used for money laundering, and mixing is used by criminals to obscure their tracks.

do take note that one of the old use cases of crypto or btc in particular is in the field of gambling business. just look at primedice, freebitco and other old gambling sites. i guess some of the old time crypto users have gone into crypto owed to these gambling sites.
also do remember that gambling even without crypto exist long time ago. so this is just another facet of crypto usage.

Granted you're mixing your coins for actual privacy and not concealment of a crime, then even the heightened scrutiny/overwatch from regulators don't mean anything. And that's if they care enough to actually track your coins. Use a half decent mixer and you can achieve reasonable privacy. If international law enforcement is after you, mixing your coins won't do anything. There is no escaping their grip.

Mixers do get a bad rep, there's nothing inherently wrong with them and I'd encourage people to use them if they actually care about true privacy. Bitcoin is closer to anonymous than the traditional banking system even though the addresses can personify someone if you allow it to, it's just not enough. If I could go back and ask for something different about the BTC protocol, it'd be more anonymity like Monero does it.

Gambling is not liked in every country in the world. It is not specific to bitcoin. In some countries, gambling is completely forbidden. In my country for example, only the games provided by the government is allowed. Bitcoin is opening up a great opportunity to the people that don't want to get robbed by the government. I said this before, bitcoin's best use case is probably gambling. Because of that reason, it will never die.

Mixing coins on the other hand is a gray area. You may want to stay anonymous and there is nothing wrong with that. However, other people that use these mixing services might not be that innocent. And you don't know if you are getting their dirty coins or not. I am not really a fan of them.

That is a common thing in regular casinos as well, that is why it is not easy to get in and just give cash and take chips. There are even casinos that do not take cash as well, just for this purpose alone and I feel like that's an important thing.

I understand the need and protection about it, what if I go to a casino with a million dollars, gamble a bit, and then take it out? I could literally cause a trouble with it and then I could end up with a laundered money. By that time when I withdraw if anyone asks where I found it, I could just say I won it at a casino. This is why laundering on gambling is common and it is easy, and that is why most casinos started to ask for KYC as well, it is doing fine and should not be shocked at all.

Bitcoin decentralized network makes it difficult for governments to trace the owner of transactions that is carried out. So many investors who are into illegal activities has used this opportunity to carry out the illegal activities through gambling and mixers,this doesn't mean that this line of businesses are bad actors.  We shouldn't use the sin of one man to condemn everyone because they are still many honest and upright bitcoin investors who gamble with Bitcoin and also secure their bitcoin transaction privacy with a mixer. There are also many bad actors who uses fiat for money laundering and drug trafficking, who haven't been caught by the government or are backed up by the government. It is not bitcoin that is the problem but the individuals that are involved in these illegal activities. As long as we are human,illegal activities is a most,due to greed and the eagerness to get fast money.

Broadly speaking, it's not just bitcoin or crypto, but it's bad for every financial-related market they get into. I see a lot of people condemning this issue while fiat is where they operate in greater volume ( I also want to mention activities like prostitution and drugs ) . More precisely the bad sides in society will still exist in their own way and the means are made to make it easy, so don't look at one negative side and forget about the other side.

In my opinion, Mixing, on the other hand, is a technique used to obfuscate the source of funds, which goes against the principles of transparency and traceability within the Bitcoin network. While these activities are not inherently bad, they are often associated with criminal behavior and can tarnish Bitcoin's reputation as a legitimate asset.

Mixers are considered bad because it makes it difficult for governments and legislatures to track bitcoin accounts, so they won't like them and find a way to destroy them. But for those who value privacy, it's a favorite tool of theirs.
As for gambling, it has never had a good reputation because it causes more crimes than benefits society, even in my country, gambling is completely banned. But some people hate bitcoin, and they have taken advantage of this to smear, and spread false information to inhibit the development of bitcoin.

heres what most people dont know

when using a mixer yes you are flagged but its not a yes/no flag. its a number/%.. they are not interested in getting a human involved to do an investigation at business(CEX) level unless said number/% reaches a threshold. but they do put you on a certain level of evolved algos to monitor different thresholds more. monitor customers more as each threshold passes
up to a point where thresholds reach a certain level where they would then try to gain more info about you

for instance it costs a bit of money to buy data from other partners/businesses they know/associate with. so they wont waste money buying all details of everyone(unless they are bulk data dealers)

so if your just depositing $10 they wont waste $1 trying to find if you have other accounts on other CEX and your flag rating on those services. however the more you do the more thresholds you reach the more intensive their scrutiny becomes

so someone that is high percentage normal coin movements small percentage mixed several taints back is a lower risk threshold than someone who puts all their funds through a mixer before then depositing into an exchange

and if the value of highly mixed deposits is high enough to breach tax thresholds and border crossing thresholds then they start to gather more information and do investigations. and if in those investigations they see some criminal tracings of funds they report it to authorities
they wont reveal all the thresholds of each level but atleast knowing that they dont investigate everyone is obvious because to watch everyone takes many many people and most businesses and authorities do not have enough personnel to watch everyone

meaning that "government" dont see or watch or receive data about everyone. just the interesting highly suspect stuff that reached a certain threshold that has met some standards regulators require

and regulators in formal legislation DO class using mixers as a red flag. meaning the more you use it the higher the intensity is of being on watch lists where actual humans start investigating. compared to someone just depositing $100 or $10 a week into an exchange from their own employment income accounts

Actually, that depends on your understanding, so I agree with what you are saying, it is negative for you, but for others it is a good way. That's why we don't have the same opinion because we have our own beliefs that are right or wrong that we can agree with or disagree with other people, especially maybe in this matter that you are talking about now. Just like for me bitcoin mixing is good if I am one of the bitcoin holders at this thing also doing some other bitcoin holders as well for sure.

I don't like to say that these two services are actors who tarnish the good name of bitcoin, but both of these services can be abused by bitcoin users. The real actors are bitcoin users who intend to carry out illegal transactions by utilizing the two services above, so the two services cannot be blamed entirely.

Governments and people who hate bitcoin are of course taking advantage of this situation to their advantage and rule. But nevertheless I think it is their right regardless if the plan works or not. I honestly don't hate the government if its goal is to prevent abuse, but underneath it all I think they are just plotting something to hurt bitcoin and its users financially.

from where did you get this views mate? are your friends acting and telling you? or this is just your own belief from your small understanding?

first , being a bad actor meaning that Gambling and Mixer should or must be shut down by the government long time ago but why they are still existing?
though there are some who had been shut down yet they are just few of many.


I should call them more on Bad actor if that is what you wanted to impose here comparing to gambling and mixers .

I am a gambler and also a mixer users and I am not being bias here instead this is what I have seen from my experiences .

Basically, they are linked to practices that may be against the law(not all), unethical, or detrimental to the larger community. If you can lookup on the internet about incidents related to these "bad actors", you will see tons of them and that's why a lot of people are against it.
They are undesirable due to their links to illicit activity and potential legal and reputational risks.

Normally, so many cultures and governments prohabit gambling as it is regarded as a societal menace which has led some youths astray and they became nuisance to the society.
Another reason is some non KYC and even KYCed gambling platform allows deposit and withdrawal even when you don't wager or bet. This means that a cyber criminal can use such gambling sites as a medium to transfer money and conceal their identities.

For mixers, even if the purpose is for privacy, but me and you know too well that people have abused mixers in several times by using it to conceal crime rather than for privacy issues.

Most centralized exchanges if not all do KYC and they work with government as they are willing anytime to give out your data and also confiscate your coins.

Listen mate, everything is all about perspective. For some people these actions are considered as wrong, whereas for some this isn’t bad at all. I mean there are nothing wrong with Gambling and Mixing, but people have different opinions and choice, and they have their moral values and hence they treat this as bad activities. Now both gambling and mixing of coins are legal, but if it is done with wrong intention then only it will be frowned upon by other people.

It's just how you feel because you've read so much negative news spread by governments. I have been in the market for over 6 years, and I have no problem with gambling and mixers. Gambling existed before bitcoin was created, and why don't you think about this? As for the mixer, just because it doesn't benefit the government or benefit you, doesn't mean it's bad or bad.

Bitcoin mixer enhances privacy and resists attacks.
It is up to the laws of each country to determine if gambling is illegal.
Bitcoin in the case of gambling is also just a means to satisfy the desire to gamble and make money. Bitcoin in this case is not considered bad as the dollar or any FIAT is being used for gambling all over the world.

Bitcoin is only used as a tool for gambling and is not directly involved with the gambling industry.
Bitcoin is still Bitcoin, not regulated by anyone. it's just a payment option that is easier and more private.
Gambling sites that support Bitcoin are also increasingly appearing.

and about Bitcoin mixing, the last few months have been quite excited when Chipmixer was shut down because it was involved in money laundering crimes.
No wonder they are thirsty to be shut down, because they facilitate criminal acts.
Not all Bitcoin mixing sites do this practice, Many mixing sites still survive today.

Well, I admit it makes sense they would not waste human resources in getting any mixed deposit manually reviewed. Actually, I did think that the review process of a mixed coin being deposited in a centralized exchange was of the binary thing, as you mentioned. So I guess I learnt something new today.  :P

That would explain why depositing small quantities which passed through a mixer does not trigger an investigation and the men in black in the front door.

Thanks for the explanation, I guess.

Bad actors depend largely on individuals and their perceptions because we still have some religion that sees gambling as haram, such liken the Muslims but we also have some from that same religion that sees gambling differently and do not see anything wrong in gambling.

I have seen even some pastors from church preaching to members to repent from gambling that it's a seen but I always tell myself in my inner mind that the religious leaders are just making a misunderstanding statement, no doubt that gambling is linked with so many bad events one of which is addictions but then we must place priority on everything and what we don't know os more than us so to those who know how to gamble currently with accurate time and resources management,  I see nothing wrong in that but if you think you can't Control the impact of. Gambling, you will have to avoid gambling totally.

Even banks that are well-known for their centralized systems can still be used by someone for illegal transactions. Banks can still receive someone's gambling winnings even if the user is under a jurisdiction that does not legalize gambling, even the bank does not know that there are many non-legal transactions occurring in one or two customer accounts from the sale of prohibited goods or other illegal actions.

All services can be abused, will the government close the bank too because people always can use it for illegal things? I don't think so, it's because the government doesn't hate banks.

This point is very true, gambling and BTC should not be put together because before there was BTC, gambling had also become a habit for the people
sometimes I can't believe people always associate btc with gambling and crime

BTC could really be connected or would really be associated since its the main tool or currency on which people been making use on the time that they would really be engaging on these things.
Yes, it do really sucks when government and media do really make out some focus about these things which the fact that fiat is been used for how many millenia when it comes to these kind of
dealings where it is really just that a tool.This do only shows on how much they do hate up Bitcoin in the first place on where they would be always be having the reason for them to
focus on negative things and trying out as much as they can on pushing that it is really that a bad thing.

For those who doesnt have that much information or idea about on what Bitcoin is, then they would be easily be getting to believe on what these f*ckers been saying
which it is really just that sad.

Same as we have got Swiss banks these mixing services help in having our holdings unknown. With the KYC requirement it is possible to have the transactions being tracked and know the end users. For this purpose there existed the mixing service for some cost. Whether you need this to be used or not is upto the person who wants complete privacy.

When it comes to gambling, bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies gives the ease of gambling and the same lets them use it much against the fiat. Some believe the purpose of bitcoin is for gambling. Such thoughts needs to change, only then the real purpose for which bitcoin is being developed will be understood.

The rate at which some religion detest against gambling is something not encouraging, but may like to draw little attention about gambling.

From my own point of reasoning I don't see gambling to be bad act or because even as a man we lived a life filled with gambling and it has been existing since the origin of man why then talk against gambling or seeing mixers being used as bad actors or criminals.

Yes, bitcoin is a currency, a payment method, casinos have the right to add it to their form of payment, no one can ban them, and it has nothing to do with gambling.

As for mixers, you are right, not all mixers cater to criminals, what is going viral out there is just because bitcoin haters are spreading false information. Bitcoin gives privacy, and mixers make us more private.

Let me share my perception. first, Not of all bitcoin mixing is literally illegal activity,  some time people need to clear their bitcoin historical just for privacy reasons that do not contain any crime. So we can not generally blame all of bitcoin mixing activities are bad actors in bitcoin / crypto sphere. Second, bitcoin gambling may be restricted in some countries, and that is why it is called illegal activity. But as far as bitcoin gamblings do not harm to the others, better we do not call it as bad actors.
But that is my perception, every one has their own mindset regarding this case.

using a mixer is not illegal. but for those shouting "privacy" forget it. you are highlighted by using a mixer
finance/currency has never been private. currency/finance legislation has existed far far before bitcoin existed

bitcoin originally 2009-2013 was not treated as currency thus escaped such legislation, and was treated as private property. but those lobbying for currency recognition 'coz mainstream' caused finance/currency legislation to apply

it does not hide you. it reveals you
even if your funding was not criminal sourced meaning no fear of prison. the privacy aspect is that your flagged and your thresholds determine how much your watched by businesses sharing data. and if highly using mixing to a suspect triggering amount to require a investigation to check if its criminal funded sources or not gets deeper

mixers do not make you invisible/ignored. mixers get you seen as something to take notice of by businesses and thus if hitting triggers possible governments

your noticeability/highlighted factor by using a mixer is higher just by using a mixer compared to bitcoiners that do not use mixers

I understand that the main actor is some bitcoin user and, more precisely human behavior. But we also must admit that these services attract more users with evil behavior than others. Gambling is for fun, but very few people understand that, and most abuse gambling and give it a bad reputation. So it wouldn't be strange for it to be seen as the bad actor who has tarnished bitcoin.

The government's duty is to stop the criminals, what they do is right, but because they also don't like bitcoin, they abuse their power to find a way to bring bitcoin down.

Haha, who said that to you, I use to condemn Gambling weather its in Bitcoin or in any form because it destroys the soul of a person and is morally incorrect + from my religious point of view it's prohibited. Because gambling makes a person addicted to easy money and I have not seen a single gambling success story, because it's impossible gambling just destroys the motivation and spirit of a person to work hard to get money. A maximum of Gambling addicts destroy their financial future. 

Mixing is a habit if it is taken with good intentions it can also be misused, but I would recommend the users who care a lot abut their privacy must use mixers for their own protection. A few weeks ago in the trading section, there was a thread abut mixing and a maximum of the feedback on the asked question for Mxiing after buying exchanges was in the favor of the mixing because centralized exchanges hold the user's personal information. If a person doesn't use Mixer then his total activity can be tracked which is not good in my views and all this is due to the (Highest Transparency feature of the Blockchain network). Mxing is not itself wron but people use it in wrong way as money abuse haha a new term, Money Lundring.

both are called bad actors because of money laundering problems, but there are many more interesting positive things about the world of bitcoin that they have not discovered and are very much different from the gambling factor, so this depends on the assessment of each of us but there are some things that are considered negative about the use bitcoin but this is not a crime that violates the law in a country, and we all know there are many transactions that continue to occur every day in conflict and have been supported by the government so bitcoin actors are not evil which will harm individuals or many people, unless they are already misusing bitcoins.

Problem about gambling and mixing called as bad actors in Bitcoin because both of them is the way of money laundering progress, last month have one bigger of mixing project close with indicated as place for money laundering happening from scammer or hacker fund cases and laundering with that website how they are mixing for bitcoin fund. I am little disagree with gambling called as bad actor in Bitcoin because fiat has possibilities with money laundering and not only for Bitcoin. All mixing of Bitcoin have been clear right now to know their costumer fund source and have been transparent if not becoming bad actor in Bitcoin.

It’s just a myth of this phenomenon,because it’s few people opinion and not all the people opinion.The reason is some gaming websites was used by money laundering people to launder money.The money laundering people also using the mixer to launder their money for their laundering.For this reason,the money laundering was the most criticised one in bitcoin history.But we can’t blame only for some disadvantages,it had lot of advantages among the youngsters.Many people earning some money for their college fees using the bitcoin.

And since then casinos have taken measures to avoid this from happening, so it surprises me the OP tries to put them on the same light when casinos cannot be used as mixers anymore, now casinos have their own reputation problems as some people do not like that there are some gamblers out there which cannot control themselves and lose a lot of money on their pursuit of their hobby, but that is a completely different topic than the one we are discussing right now.

Both Bitcoin mixing and online gambling using Bitcoin are popular and widely used within the Bitcoin ecosystem. Some people may see Bitcoin gambling as a form of entertainment and a good use case for the cryptocurrency as a currency, while others may view it more critically due to concerns around the potential for illicit activities. However, putting these two things aside, let's look at bitcoin in a positive light, such as charitable donations and other good causes, and it's important to recognize that there are different perspectives on the use of bitcoin for gambling, mixing, and other activities.

Mixing is considered as a bad actor for crypto because it is also being used by illegal activities, like money laundering.
While gambling, I think we all know why it is considered as bad actor for crypto, but like OP has mention this 2 played a huge part for cryptocurrency adaptation, I think there are tons of crypto investor or user because of those two.

What do you mean by all mixing of Bitcoin have been cleared? That's not true, if mixing have any clearance of doubt then it's no more a mixer, this will kill the privacy feature of been a mixer, there is no way a mixer service can be transparent, the SEC or the government will keep hunting mixers and this will keep going on and on, mixer projects are the ones to upgrade themselves and make sure that there is no way the government can come after them, if they are rendering privacy services to the world, they should be able to protect themselves also.

Very funny set of persons will call this things bad actors of bitcoin  because they are actually  playing  the major role of bitcoin  which is helping  in securing our privacy.
I think Bitcoin  mixing is also helping  to keep all of our transactions anonymous  which the government bos trying so hard to fight against and bridge the purpose of bitcoin  privacy  and as for gambling,  I think there are already alot of policies  governing  the gambling  industry  and I don't think it will be easy to carry out any fraudulent activity  on gambling  platforms, so I don't see any reasons why we should see them as bad actors of bitcoin  but I think the title  will suit centralized exchanges because they are already bridged the purpose  of bitcoin privacy  and hence already have access to one's possession  and can easily  make amendments at any pint in time.

^Definitely right.
Mixing services are often associated with illegal activities the same gambling as well, such as money laundering, and as a result, they have gained a reputation as a bad actor in cryptocurrency. Governments and regulatory bodies are understandably concerned about the potential for these services to facilitate criminal activities, and this has led to increased regulation of the crypto industry until now.
The same as gambling has long been viewed as a risky and potentially harmful activity, with many governments restricting or outright banning certain forms of gambling. The association between gambling and crypto can also make the industry seem untrustworthy or unreliable to some investors who don't understand it.

Money laundering in cryptocurrencies can be done in many ways and not just through gambling and mixers.

Generally speaking, gambling is considered bad as it makes you lose money quickly. People become addicted to gambling and have seen ruin their lives. Also, there is some religious aspect too where gambling is considered as a sin in many religions.

Mixers are directly linked with money laundering or hiding the tracing of black money. Although mixers are made with good intentions, but people usually only see the negative usage of mixers.

These practices are reprehensible in life in general and are not primarily related to the field of bitcoin or crypto in general. And to be precise, some of the practices in those sectors are what makes them have such a bad reputation, since gambling is forbidden according to many popular customs, and mixing is linked in the minds of the majority to money laundering or concealing suspicious activities.
What really surprised me is the groups that condemn these areas, although they are integrated in one way or another. For example, there are Muslim members who promote gambling platforms in signature campaigns in which they participate in return for a weekly wage, and at the same time they hold anti-gambling positions and consider it a forbidden activity that God will punish them for.

If fiat also has the ability to launder money, neither gambling nor mixers can be called bad. Because they are not made for use by criminals, gambling is for fun, mixers for cleaning bitcoins, ensuring privacy. But because of the behavior of criminals, they are called bad is not correct. If criminals use your business' products, you can't call your business bad.

Those who wanted to blame mixers and casinos for laundering are those wanted to bring crypto down , so mostly they are from banks and government ,

 because the true essence of gambling is to have fun and if there are someone who abuses this system then that is not the casinos fault though now they give wager requirements and something related to hinder those who wanted to use this abuse.

mixers having the same faith but remember that most of us wanted to be kept anonymous and mixers give them this freedom.

It can be said that products such as gambling or mixers are created for the purpose of entertainment and privacy for users. Most have a good purpose and provide for human needs. But they become ugly because some people use them for the wrong purposes, and rather it is human behavior, not to blame those products. And the fact that they are constantly accused of abetting criminals is just the opinion of some people who hate them. It is the people who hate bitcoin, they are willing to blame anything related to bitcoin.

As long as we know what's good and bad for us, we shouldn't mind some people's opinions. There is no proof that what they say is true, feel for yourself, we are living for ourselves, not for others.

To be fair, Mixers and Gambling is being used for mixer in reality. But those blame doesn't need to point directly to the services because it is not designed to cater money laundering. The real culprit is launderer that using the services for their own good without even considering the effect of their action towards the service.

The government has every right to do what’s necessary since its thir job to catch launderer because it's a crime. Currently, mixers is on gray area on how they continue their services without the presence of launderers abusing their services. Gambling is already have a KYC but this method is directly counter to the mixing purposes.

Mixers shoild develop a system to denied all attempts of mixing from a Bitcoin wallet address that is connected to a flagged account for malicious doing.