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Title: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: Davidvictorson on May 03, 2023, 08:57:03 PM
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Congress has long-recognized the potential harms posed by sports betting to the integrity of sporting contests and the public confidence in these events.

This topic stems from the suspension of Jameson Williams for 6 games because he violated the gambling policy. I dug a little and found out the reason for the policy. My understanding of this is that there are two sides to sports betting, the gambler's side and then sports contest games. But this is the first time I am reading that sports betting can affect the game negatively and results in reduced public confidence. Does this apply to the NFL only? What about soccer and other sports? Are they exempted? Let's talk about this.


1. https://www.espn.com/chalk/story/_/id/23501236/supreme-court-strikes-federal-law-prohibiting-sports-gambling

2. https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10073237-lions-jameson-williams-among-nfl-players-suspended-for-violating-gambling-policy.amp.html


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: bittraffic on May 03, 2023, 11:17:42 PM
My guess is that they've affected the other teams moral and somehow lost thier appetite to win when they learned Jameson and the NFL gangs bet for the other team. They were like influencers that acted like a bookie who identifies which team could win.

I'm not sure if this is what the congress mean when they say potential harm posed sports betting. We all know there always is an underdog, the other team should just take it as challenge. Its sure the Congress means gambling addiction or kids exposure to gambling.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: qwertyup23 on May 03, 2023, 11:37:56 PM
My guess is that they've affected the other teams moral and somehow lost thier appetite to win when they learned Jameson and the NFL gangs bet for the other team. They were like influencers that acted like a bookie who identifies which team could win.

I'm not sure if this is what the congress mean when they say potential harm posed sports betting. We all know there always is an underdog, the other team should just take it as challenge. Its sure the Congress means gambling addiction or kids exposure to gambling.

I do think it is a factor when your team discovers that majority of the people betted against your team. Not only do you lose morale but you also have this urge to join the bet yourself, thereby losing games more for the sake of money. I guess this is what they call "game fixing" where players are also involved in the betting process and they intentionally lose or throw the game to win money on their gambling accounts.

This happens rarely but the potential of it from happening is possible. I remember, there was a basketball game hosted in the Philippines and you can see the players on one team throwing the game by missing all of the free shots and intentionally losing the game.

If you guys are interested in watching it, I will leave the link below:

Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qc9QCbO5Ph8&t=383s


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: PX-Z on May 03, 2023, 11:54:56 PM
I do think it is a factor when your team discovers that majority of the people betted against your team. Not only do you lose morale but you also have this urge to join the bet yourself, thereby losing games more for the sake of money. I guess this is what they call "game fixing" where players are also involved in the betting process and they intentionally lose or throw the game to win money on their gambling accounts.
Its becoming to be a rigged game not by someone huge to pay to certain player but an individual decision which is more scary than people think because its the player's decision and probably its a against their sport ethics, policy of its agency and by laws related to it.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: Rruchi man on May 03, 2023, 11:56:39 PM
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Congress has long-recognized the potential harms posed by sports betting to the integrity of sporting contests and the public confidence in these events.
These concerns are real, and it is not just singular to only football but any sporting contest that has a large audience of sport bettors. During the just concluded FIFA world cup, many people believed that the competition was manipulated and that big sports betting companies may have had an influence, although these were just mere talks that were not backed by any facts, it does not take away that possibility from the hearts and minds of people who will begin to question the integrity of this sporting contest and reduce people's confidence in it.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: Wexnident on May 04, 2023, 12:00:54 AM
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Congress has long-recognized the potential harms posed by sports betting to the integrity of sporting contests and the public confidence in these events.

This topic stems from the suspension of Jameson Williams for 6 games because he violated the gambling policy. I dug a little and found out the reason for the policy. My understanding of this is that there are two sides to sports betting, the gambler's side and then sports contest games. But this is the first time I am reading that sports betting can affect the game negatively and results in reduced public confidence. Does this apply to the NFL only? What about soccer and other sports? Are they exempted? Let's talk about this.


1. https://www.espn.com/chalk/story/_/id/23501236/supreme-court-strikes-federal-law-prohibiting-sports-gambling

2. https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10073237-lions-jameson-williams-among-nfl-players-suspended-for-violating-gambling-policy.amp.html

Isn't it because betting in their own games are frowned upon, if not downright illegal? Afaik it is illegal though. Regardless of the stance if the player, whether they bet on their win or loss, the fact that they gambled on their own game kind of splashes them with cold water which cools down their passion for the match. It's just that bad imo.

Let's not even mention it becoming a rigged game due to that, that may be the worst case scenario, but that's what all people should always assume imo.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: alegotardo on May 04, 2023, 01:10:16 AM
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Congress has long-recognized the potential harms posed by sports betting to the integrity of sporting contests and the public confidence in these events.

This topic stems from the suspension of Jameson Williams for 6 games because he violated the gambling policy. I dug a little and found out the reason for the policy. My understanding of this is that there are two sides to sports betting, the gambler's side and then sports contest games. But this is the first time I am reading that sports betting can affect the game negatively and results in reduced public confidence. Does this apply to the NFL only? What about soccer and other sports? Are they exempted? Let's talk about this.

This certainly applies to all sports.
In the past, we only saw this happen in boxing, because from the beginning it was a sport that attracted a lot of bets on who would win or win, until today we have plenty of examples of movies that portray this type of crime.

As sports betting has been taking the digital media and expanding to other sports, we have seen that the corruption of players and athletes is reaching the most diverse sports.
In higher level championships where players win "absurdly well" it is more difficult to see this occur, as the risk of manipulating a result is not worth it when you have a reputation to protect on the field, and losing that reputation will cost a lot. more expensive than the reward for manipulating the outcome of the game.

Anyway, this is indeed a dark side of gambling, which unfortunately has no turning back, but it is still a minority among many sports games that we have.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: Darker45 on May 04, 2023, 01:36:13 AM
Of course, this isn't a concern exclusive to NFL. This is a challenge to all sports including ESports.

A month or two ago, I shared that a neighbor was involved in game fixing. He's a professional DOTA II player who's already climbed through the ranks and was playing on the international stage. The talk is that a huge bet is involved and that they're all paid. They were found guilty and was banned by Valve.

Just very recently also, an investigation was started on game fixing allegations involving certain players of the largest basketball league here and a Singaporean businessman. The same businessman is also accused of the same in a basketball league in Thailand. Again, sports betting is also involved.

These are examples why public confidence of these leagues or contests is lost. The integrity of these games is lost. While many are still watching these games, it is undeniable that many also believe that there could be arrangements or negotiations behind.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: Mr.right85 on May 04, 2023, 02:19:45 AM
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Congress has long-recognized the potential harms posed by sports betting to the integrity of sporting contests and the public confidence in these events.

This topic stems from the suspension of Jameson Williams for 6 games because he violated the gambling policy. I dug a little and found out the reason for the policy. My understanding of this is that there are two sides to sports betting, the gambler's side and then sports contest games. But this is the first time I am reading that sports betting can affect the game negatively and results in reduced public confidence. Does this apply to the NFL only? What about soccer and other sports? Are they exempted? Let's talk about this.


1. https://www.espn.com/chalk/story/_/id/23501236/supreme-court-strikes-federal-law-prohibiting-sports-gambling

2. https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10073237-lions-jameson-williams-among-nfl-players-suspended-for-violating-gambling-policy.amp.html

It's not always a very smiled at act for participants of any sport, especially when there team is amongst the match fixtures to place bets either in favour or against a team.
It introduces bias as, these participants can go extra and unimaginable length to ensure there bets play out as predicted.
You can have a team putting in efforts to lose, scoring own goals or even taking hard drugs to increase performance in a game. These are just a list of possibilities and that's the part where the public won't be aware of and it would to a large extent hinder fair play. It's why it remains a frown at act and a practice that can't be allowed to linger in the sporting system.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: Yogee on May 04, 2023, 03:44:32 AM
[.....]But this is the first time I am reading that sports betting can affect the game negatively and results in reduced public confidence.
This is old news to me. I'm not bragging or anything but I've read quite enough cases of rigged games or match-fixing and all of them stems from sportsbetting. I'm pretty sure a lot of bettors are familiar with this as well. It's a huge business that's why I'm not surprised with court rulings that legalizes betting despite the potential impact on the integrity of the sports.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: danherbias07 on May 04, 2023, 03:56:01 AM
Quoting part of the shared link.
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Rapoport noted Williams and Berryhill's suspensions stemmed from betting on college games while they were at the Lions' team facilities; Moore, Cephus and Toney are believed to have bet on NFL games.

It is against the rule of most popular sports for the players to bet on games especially if it's in their specialty. In this case, American Football. Some bet on college games and others made a bet for the sport they are playing which violates their contract.
Regarding the question if this applies to other sports, yes and no.
In small leagues or local leagues, I don't think they have a contract clause about betting for the team. But when it comes to national leagues, I am sure it is added to their contract to prevent point shaving or other illegal things a quarterback will do or a team themselves.
Boxing, UFC, and other contact sports also have the same regulation about players and fighters betting for themselves or their opponents.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: davis196 on May 04, 2023, 06:04:17 AM
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Congress has long-recognized the potential harms posed by sports betting to the integrity of sporting contests and the public confidence in these events.

This topic stems from the suspension of Jameson Williams for 6 games because he violated the gambling policy. I dug a little and found out the reason for the policy. My understanding of this is that there are two sides to sports betting, the gambler's side and then sports contest games. But this is the first time I am reading that sports betting can affect the game negatively and results in reduced public confidence. Does this apply to the NFL only? What about soccer and other sports? Are they exempted? Let's talk about this.


1. https://www.espn.com/chalk/story/_/id/23501236/supreme-court-strikes-federal-law-prohibiting-sports-gambling

2. https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10073237-lions-jameson-williams-among-nfl-players-suspended-for-violating-gambling-policy.amp.html


Sports betting could negatively impact sports contests? Who would've thought of that earlier? I could never see this coming. ;D
I guess that you've never heard of rigged/fixed soccer games(replace soccer with any other popular sport).
My opinions is that sports betting slowly ruins almost all sports. In my country's soccer league all teams have sports betting companies as the main sponsors. This is quite suspicious, especially when certain games end with a weird result.
I don't know anything about the "Jameson Williams" court case and I don't care about American football, but I know that money and greed could ruin every sport.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: swogerino on May 04, 2023, 06:20:33 AM
Every sport is affected.Soccer even more and let me tell you a funny story of a fixed game here in the country where I reside,there was a team who needed to win the Championship here (now they have been banned 10 years from all competitions,international ones I mean) and that team came in the game against one team that needed critically the points to be safe from relegation.In this team that relegated only a few players were playing at maximum power and most of the players already knew or they were told by the team president to let this game and relegate,so those players were funny as they tried hard but they didn't know anything about the upper level management and this is a joke we fans keep telling from now and then every time our team loses a game.

Since gambling started in 1998 I have said several other times the number of surprise results in a league has increased in a really enormous way.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: ralle14 on May 04, 2023, 06:31:13 AM
The same thing should be applied for the other sports, it's not just the NFL. The reason why we're not hearing much about the others is because they're good at enforcing their rules or no one is getting caught doing it. I'm surprised that the article mentioned he wasn't punished because of what he did but specifically about where he did it. The place shouldn't matter when it's going to harm the NFL as a whole knowing there are other players than him possibly betting on their team and players.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: FatFork on May 04, 2023, 08:40:32 AM
It's definitely not just an issue in the NFL. Match-fixing scandals have rocked the soccer world in recent years, and it's a huge problem in many other sports too. The problem is that the money involved in professional sports is huge, and some people will do whatever it takes to make a buck. When players, coaches, or referees are involved in betting, it can easily lead to biased decisions and even outright cheating. And if the public loses faith in the fairness of the game, it can have serious consequences for the sport's reputation. It's hard to say how prevalent this problem is in the professional sports, but it certainly seems like there are more stories about match-fixing than there used to be.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: Crypt0Gore on May 04, 2023, 08:42:33 AM
 So till today this person is working free how can someone who did something like this work for you without facing the law or any punishment this is not fair this is why I have different set of feelings about gambling platforms you can never know if they are cheating or not and for the fact that gambling can be easily rigged by influencers or bad actors is why I dont always feel ease gambling with so much money

The best way to gamble safely is by using the exact amount of money that you are willing to lose for the time being and do not try to gamble again thinking that you will win because it is always the house that benefits not the gamblers.

imagine this type of situation that op is talking about, I am sure that some people must have used a big amount of money to place the bet and they will be shocked afterward if they know what really happen, some people can go any lent to win a game illegally all in the name of money.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: deepblue01 on May 04, 2023, 09:15:02 AM
Every sport is affected.Soccer even more and let me tell you a funny story of a fixed game here in the country where I reside,there was a team who needed to win the Championship here (now they have been banned 10 years from all competitions,international ones I mean) and that team came in the game against one team that needed critically the points to be safe from relegation.In this team that relegated only a few players were playing at maximum power and most of the players already knew or they were told by the team president to let this game and relegate,so those players were funny as they tried hard but they didn't know anything about the upper level management and this is a joke we fans keep telling from now and then every time our team loses a game.

Since gambling started in 1998 I have said several other times the number of surprise results in a league has increased in a really enormous way.
I used to be an athlete before, i knew there is another side and it's not a good story. At that time they offered me some money if I lost the game.
so i give up on purpose and i choose money over fame.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: Lucius on May 04, 2023, 09:44:28 AM
As others have already written, it is nothing new for athletes to turn to the "dark side", whether it is individual sports or team sports. This is especially pronounced in the lower leagues, where the players' incomes are lower, but even top sports are not immune to it, because some who earn a real fortune want even more and then accept bribes to influence the game.

Sometimes it's not just about money, but these people are blackmailed in such a way that they are threatened with revealing some secrets, or their family members are threatened. Sport has become a big business for a long time, and criminals want their share of the pie - that's why I think the laws should be much stricter, because punishing someone with not playing a few matches is not something that will discourage others from doing the same.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: ChuckBuck on May 04, 2023, 01:14:04 PM
But this is the first time I am reading that sports betting can affect the game negatively and results in reduced public confidence.
You may not think about it, but it is certainly a fact that no sport can avoid. For big matches, this is even more serious. You may think that the big matches will be fairer, but that is not necessarily true, if the betting size is large enough, the bookies can completely have enough money to manipulate it, even for sports betting e-sports.

Also, we can see a few conspiracy theories about the underground forces that control everything, you may not believe it, but who knows, this world is inherently operating under the control of the forces?


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: Plaguedeath on May 04, 2023, 01:29:14 PM
This is very bad, NFL seems to be a big league for Americans and this kind dirty activity happen.

But it's nothing new anymore there's a fixed match in sports, it's either the player, team, or even organizations behind this matter. Sadly, he's one of many players which get busted, there's should be an another player or team still involved in fixed match and not get caught until now.



Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: YOSHIE on May 04, 2023, 01:59:21 PM
Does this apply to the NFL only? What about soccer and other sports? Are they exempted? Let's talk about this.
As far as I know, NFL type sports betting is not the only type of sports game that is used as a sacrifice or negative business by many companies to make big money for them or the sports betting mafia.

America, England, Australia and many other countries, it is known that from ancient times the people there have implemented sports betting as a tradition that is often at stake, do not be surprised if in the betting process many negative things happen, for this reason, it's not surprising that we often see sports betting such as: Rugby, WWE, cricket, Boxing, UFC, Golf and many others, being found to violate some of the rules and policies that have been determined in gambling

Companies and mobsters who bet on sports betting as I mentioned, that they know there are billions of dollars to be made, are clearly violating, fraudulent effective ways to reach those billions of dollars. gambling used to legalize all means, negative action is a powerful way to take the coffers of $, for those who want to do it.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: aioc on May 04, 2023, 02:02:44 PM
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Congress has long-recognized the potential harms posed by sports betting to the integrity of sporting contests and the public confidence in these events.

 My understanding of this is that there are two sides to sports betting, the gambler's side and then sports contest games. But this is the first time I am reading that sports betting can affect the game negatively and results in reduced public confidence. Does this apply to the NFL only? What about soccer and other sports? Are they exempted? Let's talk about this.



Public perception is powerful sports organizations expect a high level of competition for the public to enjoy, if players are involved in sports betting, they will think that players are betting for the other teams, so while the players or fighters are still active, they should refrain from being involved in sports betting, it will corrode confidence in the whole sports organizations.
This is just right the sports organizations just want to protect their integrity, sports organizations will be ruin if there are reports of game fixing.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: monedauno on May 04, 2023, 02:18:11 PM
~~~
pjc50
It's a bit of a misnomer. The NFL doesn't have a ban on sports betting. In fact, it's an
exception to the U.S. Supreme Court's ruling in Citizens United v. Federal Election
Committee, which was struck down by the NFL.

------
dangrossman
I'm going to start by saying that I have no problem with sports betting. I've
already dealt with it a few times in the past, but I can't help but feel that
it's time to get serious about it.

I don't know how to play sports, but I do know that I'm not the only person who
wants to bet on sports. I've come
across a few that I feel are worth a shot.

I'd like to make a point of not having to worry about it at all. I'm not
entirely looking for a job, I'm just trying to get my head around the concept
of sports betting.

~~~
craigbass
> I've been to a few sports betting events and


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: Yatsan on May 04, 2023, 02:59:26 PM
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Congress has long-recognized the potential harms posed by sports betting to the integrity of sporting contests and the public confidence in these events.

This topic stems from the suspension of Jameson Williams for 6 games because he violated the gambling policy. I dug a little and found out the reason for the policy. My understanding of this is that there are two sides to sports betting, the gambler's side and then sports contest games. But this is the first time I am reading that sports betting can affect the game negatively and results in reduced public confidence. Does this apply to the NFL only? What about soccer and other sports? Are they exempted? Let's talk about this.


1. https://www.espn.com/chalk/story/_/id/23501236/supreme-court-strikes-federal-law-prohibiting-sports-gambling

2. https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10073237-lions-jameson-williams-among-nfl-players-suspended-for-violating-gambling-policy.amp.html

To all sports I guess but depends on each of the player whether they would be taking part of the gambling side. Quite related with fixed matches but sort of not. Simply shows how powerful money is which could even influence an industry. I'd say such thing is not new in any field of sport and is existing for years. As I've said, it does depend on the player or fighter whether he would choose to be bought. We all have our own reasons on doing things. Ofcourse what is ideal is for players to not be involved with such acts but things does not simply work that way. This is because factors are affecting ethics. What happened with jameson williams have been done by other fighters as well, but ofcourse proving such thing would be hard to achieve.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: uneng on May 04, 2023, 03:04:14 PM
America, England, Australia and many other countries, it is known that from ancient times the people there have implemented sports betting as a tradition that is often at stake, do not be surprised if in the betting process many negative things happen, for this reason, it's not surprising that we often see sports betting such as: Rugby, WWE, cricket, Boxing, UFC, Golf and many others, being found to violate some of the rules and policies that have been determined in gambling
That is correct, and it is also the reason why sports betting can't simply vanish from the daily life of those people. It's already part of their tradition and culture along several generations, therefore it's not easy to stop it from existing through a brand new created regulation. The negative side of betting on sports isn't enough to forbid it right now, because it's not something new in sports.

There have always been corrupt athletes, coaches, referees and leagues' officials who attempted to profit from betting by cheating on the results of the matches for all this time. But why to use this excuse only now to prevent people from betting? Isolated cheating attempts have never prevented sports betting from working and being successful with its public.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: Cling18 on May 04, 2023, 04:29:06 PM
America, England, Australia and many other countries, it is known that from ancient times the people there have implemented sports betting as a tradition that is often at stake, do not be surprised if in the betting process many negative things happen, for this reason, it's not surprising that we often see sports betting such as: Rugby, WWE, cricket, Boxing, UFC, Golf and many others, being found to violate some of the rules and policies that have been determined in gambling
That is correct, and it is also the reason why sports betting can't simply vanish from the daily life of those people. It's already part of their tradition and culture along several generations, therefore it's not easy to stop it from existing through a brand new created regulation. The negative side of betting on sports isn't enough to forbid it right now, because it's not something new in sports.

There have always been corrupt athletes, coaches, referees and leagues officials who attempted to profit from betting by cheating on the results of the matches for all this time. But why use this excuse only now to prevent people from betting? Isolated cheating attempts have never prevented sports betting from working and being successful with the public.

Gambling has been a part of most European country's culture and traditions and anywhere that gambling exists, cheating and corruption also exist simply because it is their way to make money. New regulation policies might exist each day but stopping people from gambling will always be a big challenge to them. Nowadays, they are also implementing and trying to apply different strategies to stop people from gambling but I don't think their strategies would last because no matter what they do, gamblers will always find ways to bet and gamble.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: deepblue01 on May 04, 2023, 05:26:10 PM
That is correct, and it is also the reason why sports betting can't simply vanish from the daily life of those people. It's already part of their tradition and culture along several generations, therefore it's not easy to stop it from existing through a brand new created regulation. The negative side of betting on sports isn't enough to forbid it right now, because it's not something new in sports.

There have always been corrupt athletes, coaches, referees and leagues' officials who attempted to profit from betting by cheating on the results of the matches for all this time. But why to use this excuse only now to prevent people from betting? Isolated cheating attempts have never prevented sports betting from working and being successful with its public.
well, you don't know how hard to be an athlete.
It's just like a job for you, especially the one who need money for living. The winning price is not much to sustain your living expenses.
they will cheers for you when you win and they leave you when you lose. Unless you have been bought and accepted the agreement.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: Silberman on May 04, 2023, 06:43:33 PM
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Congress has long-recognized the potential harms posed by sports betting to the integrity of sporting contests and the public confidence in these events.

This topic stems from the suspension of Jameson Williams for 6 games because he violated the gambling policy. I dug a little and found out the reason for the policy. My understanding of this is that there are two sides to sports betting, the gambler's side and then sports contest games. But this is the first time I am reading that sports betting can affect the game negatively and results in reduced public confidence. Does this apply to the NFL only? What about soccer and other sports? Are they exempted? Let's talk about this.


1. https://www.espn.com/chalk/story/_/id/23501236/supreme-court-strikes-federal-law-prohibiting-sports-gambling

2. https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10073237-lions-jameson-williams-among-nfl-players-suspended-for-violating-gambling-policy.amp.html

In almost every sport that I know there are regulations about the athletes making any bets on the games in which they are participating, and those regulations even extend up to their family members, some sports are even more strict and forbid any kind of gambling on their particularly league or even the whole sport, so if an athlete also enjoys gambling they can choose the gamble at casino games like poker or they can choose to gamble in a sport different than the one they play professionally, or they could suffer heavy repercussions by doing so.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: Casdinyard on May 04, 2023, 08:24:05 PM
I don't think sportsbetting is to be blamed here. This is clearly the fault of the player iteelf. Insider betting is a deliberate offense and an insult to the integrity of the game they undoubtedly invested years and years of professional training for. And it's not like he's jot getting paid well, from the looks of it the guy's a pretty well/known athlete in his sport and is probably getting paid more than enough to keep his business with the team running. This is just a classic case of suooting yourself in the foot. Also, it's not like there's no other way for him to bet. You can literally gamble with anything.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: sunsilk on May 04, 2023, 08:26:40 PM
If someone who's a professional player, there should be some contract that they're not allowed to gamble. They could be allowed to advertise or have a sponsor that's a bookie and have it as their icon somewhere on their jersey.

That's just about ethics of a professional player and they should know all about it. The thing is, we don't know if all of them are following that rule and just as Jameson.

The prohibition of them to get involved in gambling because that can affect their performances if they've got bets even if it's just a penny, it shouldn't be allowed.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: SFMHodler on May 04, 2023, 08:27:11 PM
I would not want to watch a rigged game. I remember a few years back there where a bunch on scandals in the german bundesliga, where a referee was working together with a bookie.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: alastantiger on May 05, 2023, 01:03:01 AM
I think other sports and soccer are not innocent of these. In soccer for instance, a particular player may be paid to commit a certain foul  that will make his team loose just because of money or the player him self placed a bet and by doing so it becomes a kind of fixed game just like the WWE game which the winner is already known befor the start of the game.
When the NFL's bet on a particular game, it drastically affects the player's performances know that they placed a bet on the game. Most sports game are been compromised because of money. I think is quit unfair to some other gamblers.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: wiss19 on May 05, 2023, 01:54:53 AM
This is the first time I'm hearing about something like that, I've never known that there are gambling policies that a player or a team needs to follow in a game of sport and if they violate them, they are suspended. However, I don't understand why this has anything to do with sports betting and how it is evil in the scene.

If there are policies that need to be followed, make the players or teams follow them, and if they fail, it's their fault and not the fault of sports betting. Everything in the world has a positive and a negative side, you can just shut down or close everything that exists.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: slapper on May 05, 2023, 05:55:49 AM
The honesty of competitions? Essential. Credibility with the general populace? Crucial. The example of Jameson Williams demonstrates how sports betting may rock that confidence. Let's take a step back, though. Putting all the blame on gambling on sports? Unfair. Bets have been placed for centuries. Sportsbooks, as well as office pools and fantasy leagues, have become commonplace.

Where did we go wrong? As of late, people seem to be really worried about the negative aspects of gambling. One possible explanation is the media's focus on high-profile instances, such as Jameson's. There is no denying the fact that sports betting is here to stay. What's the catch? The excitement of betting while maintaining the credibility of sports. Come on, then!


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: tusandii on May 05, 2023, 06:29:09 AM
In fact, betting behind a sporting event is something that has happened since ancient times and many people understand this. In fact, many people in the sports industry are also part of a group of bettors so that by betting on a sports match will not affect anything including public trust.
Whether this is only for the NFL or not, I don't know, but for sports like football and others, betting is a natural thing, and many gambling sites even sponsor and partner with them.
To be honest, I myself do not agree with this policy.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: coin-investor on May 05, 2023, 06:36:39 AM
This is the first time I'm hearing about something like that, I've never known that there are gambling policies that a player or a team needs to follow in a game of sport and if they violate them, they are suspended. However, I don't understand why this has anything to do with sports betting and how it is evil in the scene.

If there are policies that need to be followed, make the players or teams follow them, and if they fail, it's their fault and not the fault of sports betting. Everything in the world has a positive and a negative side, you can just shut down or close everything that exists.
I guess it has something to do with public perception and integrity, and it will convert to public support and eventually profit for all stakes holders, the last thing sports organizations want is to get involved or even get a buzz about game fixing so the rules may be harsh for any players but they have to follow these rules however rubbish it may seem.
Players have conduct and ethic to follow so whether they like it or not they have to do this, maybe when they are out of the sports they can bet all they want.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: Taskford on May 05, 2023, 10:37:27 AM
But this is the first time I am reading that sports betting can affect the game negatively and results in reduced public confidence.


It can somehow affect the integrity of the game since by having that we can possibly see a game fixing which is happening on other league. And it affect the public confidence especially when they see it happening since they would provably think that the game is cook already and there's someone fixing the game for the benefit of big bettor. But most of the time we can only see this happening on minor leagues only since on leagues there are to many eyes watching them and cameras are all over the place so its hard for them to execute this cheating.

Does this apply to the NFL only? What about soccer and other sports? Are they exempted?


This is not only happening on NFL but rather on other big sports but we can see it on minimal situation since we are now on digital days and everything can expose easily.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: deepblue01 on May 05, 2023, 11:37:09 AM
In fact, betting behind a sporting event is something that has happened since ancient times and many people understand this. In fact, many people in the sports industry are also part of a group of bettors so that by betting on a sports match will not affect anything including public trust.
Whether this is only for the NFL or not, I don't know, but for sports like football and others, betting is a natural thing, and many gambling sites even sponsor and partner with them.
To be honest, I myself do not agree with this policy.
we are talking about cheating. it reminds me of Luna and the true story behind it. what if someone in the top rank wanted that to happen?


This is not only happening on NFL but rather on other big sports but we can see it on minimal situation since we are now on digital days and everything can expose easily.
Thats true. It's very hard to cheat a big sport and it depends on the manager too.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: Silberman on May 07, 2023, 07:06:19 PM
This is the first time I'm hearing about something like that, I've never known that there are gambling policies that a player or a team needs to follow in a game of sport and if they violate them, they are suspended. However, I don't understand why this has anything to do with sports betting and how it is evil in the scene.

If there are policies that need to be followed, make the players or teams follow them, and if they fail, it's their fault and not the fault of sports betting. Everything in the world has a positive and a negative side, you can just shut down or close everything that exists.
I guess it has something to do with public perception and integrity, and it will convert to public support and eventually profit for all stakes holders, the last thing sports organizations want is to get involved or even get a buzz about game fixing so the rules may be harsh for any players but they have to follow these rules however rubbish it may seem.
Players have conduct and ethic to follow so whether they like it or not they have to do this, maybe when they are out of the sports they can bet all they want.
Correct, the sport entertainment industry is huge all around the world, however if the fans begin to question the integrity of the participants and they believe match fixing is taking place then this will take away a great deal of the legitimacy of the league or sport in question, as then there is no point for the fans to watch the matches as the winner has been decided already, I remember that during the 2012 Olympic games 8 players were disqualified at Badminton for losing games on purpose as this would give them access to an easier path to the final, and while what they did made sense for them, this was still a huge scandal as this is not what the spirit of any sport is about.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: mindrust on May 07, 2023, 08:08:17 PM
I am reading that sports betting can affect the game negatively and results in reduced public confidence.

Sports betting may affect the game negatively only if the player has also made bets on the game he is playing in and that's already forbidden. What if the player's distant relative made the bet though? That would complicate things. Stuff like that indeed happens and the public would indeed lose their confidence in the games because of those incidents.

Let's say I am the goalkeeper of Team A. In the last minute right before the game, my brother told me that he wagered on the Team B's win against my team. That might affect me in a negative way. It shouldn't normally but we are humans... When people learn about that story, they will question my professionalism righteously.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: deepblue01 on May 10, 2023, 06:15:19 PM
I am reading that sports betting can affect the game negatively and results in reduced public confidence.

Sports betting may affect the game negatively only if the player has also made bets on the game he is playing in and that's already forbidden. What if the player's distant relative made the bet though? That would complicate things. Stuff like that indeed happens and the public would indeed lose their confidence in the games because of those incidents.

Let's say I am the goalkeeper of Team A. In the last minute right before the game, my brother told me that he wagered on the Team B's win against my team. That might affect me in a negative way. It shouldn't normally but we are humans... When people learn about that story, they will question my professionalism righteously.
I think the International Sports Federation knows about that. As long as the price to win the game exceeds the risk&bet amount, there would be no point in worrying.
Everyone has their own number. if that is a big game, the players know it will cost their own carrier


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: iv4n on May 10, 2023, 06:39:48 PM
Is it about sports betting or people who tried to abuse sports betting and make a fortune by fixing games? Are they the first or the last? They are not, this is just on a higher level. I guess that the amount of money involved represents the level... When people are ready to abuse a few dollar bonuses we can imagine what some people are ready to do for some very high amounts.

Nothing new in this crazy world! :)


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: Fortify on May 10, 2023, 06:56:56 PM
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Congress has long-recognized the potential harms posed by sports betting to the integrity of sporting contests and the public confidence in these events.

This topic stems from the suspension of Jameson Williams for 6 games because he violated the gambling policy. I dug a little and found out the reason for the policy. My understanding of this is that there are two sides to sports betting, the gambler's side and then sports contest games. But this is the first time I am reading that sports betting can affect the game negatively and results in reduced public confidence. Does this apply to the NFL only? What about soccer and other sports? Are they exempted? Let's talk about this.

Any time bet rigging is found the consequences should be very severe (and often are) because it is such a devious way to defraud, but also very hard to gather evidence on. We only hear about the successful prosecutions, sometimes based on atrocious or completely unexpected playing patterns, but there will have been plenty of bet rigging involving sport participants that has gone undetected in the past. It can make all parties quite rich if done very subtly and often only betting companies see the major red flags but might still not have enough proof to escalate.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: Findingnemo on May 10, 2023, 06:57:54 PM
Fixing the game or cheating in your own team against least favourite for big chunk of money isn't new and many athletes lost their sports career after they found guilty of doing such immoral activities. But for someone who bet few dollars won't take it that much but there also players who bet in millions will take it seriously and turn their life upside down so never trust anything because nothing is 100% perfect.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: South Park on May 10, 2023, 07:39:42 PM
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Congress has long-recognized the potential harms posed by sports betting to the integrity of sporting contests and the public confidence in these events.

This topic stems from the suspension of Jameson Williams for 6 games because he violated the gambling policy. I dug a little and found out the reason for the policy. My understanding of this is that there are two sides to sports betting, the gambler's side and then sports contest games. But this is the first time I am reading that sports betting can affect the game negatively and results in reduced public confidence. Does this apply to the NFL only? What about soccer and other sports? Are they exempted? Let's talk about this.

Any time bet rigging is found the consequences should be very severe (and often are) because it is such a devious way to defraud, but also very hard to gather evidence on. We only hear about the successful prosecutions, sometimes based on atrocious or completely unexpected playing patterns, but there will have been plenty of bet rigging involving sport participants that has gone undetected in the past. It can make all parties quite rich if done very subtly and often only betting companies see the major red flags but might still not have enough proof to escalate.
This happens because many sport associations hide the majority of those cases as they do not want to gain a negative reputation, even when there is evidence which can be inferred from the results of the matches nothing is done, and example of this happens at Sumo, in that sport there are tournaments in which each fighter needs to fight 15 times, once each day, and if they have a winning record then they can escalate the rankings and earn more money, this means they need 8 victories to go up in the rankings or at least to remain where they are, and there is conclusive evidence the majority of the Sumo fighters cheat when one of them has already reached the 8 victories they need while they fight an opponent with 7 victories and defeats during the last match of the tournament, basically they let the fighter that needs that 8 victory win and then during the next tournament they get that win back, has something ever be done about this even when it is clear the majority of the Sumo fighters cheat? Not that I am aware.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: Pierre 2 on May 10, 2023, 09:10:25 PM
I think this sounds pretty normal. (I mean suspension of players who bet on their own games). They are part of that competition so they shouldn't be allowed to gamble in that tournament. Not only their matches even. There were claims of match-fixing in our local football league years ago. When players start to speak about it you see that how dirty it can become. For nfl I don't think its that much different.  Players probably benefit financially from gambling on. Its something shouldn't happen.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: AmoreJaz on May 10, 2023, 09:11:09 PM
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Congress has long-recognized the potential harms posed by sports betting to the integrity of sporting contests and the public confidence in these events.

This topic stems from the suspension of Jameson Williams for 6 games because he violated the gambling policy. I dug a little and found out the reason for the policy. My understanding of this is that there are two sides to sports betting, the gambler's side and then sports contest games. But this is the first time I am reading that sports betting can affect the game negatively and results in reduced public confidence. Does this apply to the NFL only? What about soccer and other sports? Are they exempted? Let's talk about this.

Any time bet rigging is found the consequences should be very severe (and often are) because it is such a devious way to defraud, but also very hard to gather evidence on. We only hear about the successful prosecutions, sometimes based on atrocious or completely unexpected playing patterns, but there will have been plenty of bet rigging involving sport participants that has gone undetected in the past. It can make all parties quite rich if done very subtly and often only betting companies see the major red flags but might still not have enough proof to escalate.

this kind of cheating can be found in almost all sports, however, as you said, most were undetected and people already moved on. i think this kind of act won't be totally eliminated as there are athletes that you can still bribe with tons of money or promoters accepting huge sum of money. we can't totally eradicate this practice. and for sure, there are a lot of these athletes who are also in sportsbetting. maybe betting not using their names but someone outside so as not to create red flags.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: passwordnow on May 10, 2023, 09:41:00 PM
This has long gone happened on the esports side. The integrity of some players has been wasted and gone when they've been caught betting particularly with their matches.
It's gonna cause them to either sell their game or not perform well because they've got a bet on their opponent's team for those matches. Until now, in some lower leagues and even some with close to the top tier online leagues, this does happen specifically on Dota 2. I know that there's no exemption on this one because we're aware that probably this is also being done in other sports. There's always been the dark side of gambling for these sports.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: DoublerHunter on May 10, 2023, 10:11:02 PM
Fixing the game or cheating in your own team against least favourite for big chunk of money isn't new and many athletes lost their sports career after they found guilty of doing such immoral activities. But for someone who bet few dollars won't take it that much but there also players who bet in millions will take it seriously and turn their life upside down so never trust anything because nothing is 100% perfect.
^ That is a serious offense that can have severe consequences for athletes and their careers. It is not just the large sums of money involved, but also the integrity of the sport itself that is at stake. Even for those who may only bet a few dollars, it is important to remember that every action has consequences, and there's always a risk of getting caught and facing serious penalties. We should always strive for honesty and fair play in all aspects of our lives, both on and off the field.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: dothebeats on May 10, 2023, 11:57:10 PM
This is why athletes, players, and team members aren't allowed to make bets on the sports that they are a part of themselves. It removes the integrity on the sport because they're making it look like they're profiting off of each other and the incentive isn't to get better at the game or entertain people but rather just for the monetary gains. It also removes the people's trust on the league that the sport belongs to, which will reduce viewership and will surely affect the league in a lot of ways = may affect the gambling aspect of the sport as well.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: cabron on May 11, 2023, 03:23:53 AM
This is why athletes, players, and team members aren't allowed to make bets on the sports that they are a part of themselves. It removes the integrity on the sport because they're making it look like they're profiting off of each other and the incentive isn't to get better at the game or entertain people but rather just for the monetary gains. It also removes the people's trust on the league that the sport belongs to, which will reduce viewership and will surely affect the league in a lot of ways = may affect the gambling aspect of the sport as well.

If rooting on their own team I think will not compromise the game. It will motivate them to win aggressively and do their best.
It is however going to be compromising when the athletes know they are not going to win against the other team. And when they have this feeling that they'd just be dominated, there will be a desire to bet for the other team.  

It could be the matchmaker's fault if it's a tournament like the NFL but in other sports like boxing, the promotions already have the idea of the odds.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: danherbias07 on May 11, 2023, 03:27:09 AM
This is why athletes, players, and team members aren't allowed to make bets on the sports that they are a part of themselves. It removes the integrity on the sport because they're making it look like they're profiting off of each other and the incentive isn't to get better at the game or entertain people but rather just for the monetary gains. It also removes the people's trust on the league that the sport belongs to, which will reduce viewership and will surely affect the league in a lot of ways = may affect the gambling aspect of the sport as well.
That's correct and it's actually a part of their contract so they have no valid reason to fight this in court or wherever he finds he can win it because he agreed to the said contract. This is the problem with players that are also gamblers, and most of the time they are doing it for profits and not for other good reasons like supporting the gambling site.
There are a lot of games they could play and gamble, why pick the ones you are a part of? I am sure they didn't forget about it, it's just greed that took over. They are just making a big mistake in ruining their career, especially those players who are making millions of dollars every year.
Casino games are wide open, they should forget about sports betting unless they are retired.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: Weawant on May 11, 2023, 06:38:08 AM
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Congress has long-recognized the potential harms posed by sports betting to the integrity of sporting contests and the public confidence in these events.

This topic stems from the suspension of Jameson Williams for 6 games because he violated the gambling policy. I dug a little and found out the reason for the policy. My understanding of this is that there are two sides to sports betting, the gambler's side and then sports contest games. But this is the first time I am reading that sports betting can affect the game negatively and results in reduced public confidence. Does this apply to the NFL only? What about soccer and other sports? Are they exempted? Let's talk about this.

It doesn't apply to only the NFL, we can see this happening in soccer as well. It mightn't happen to the professional league but the minor league get affected easily since things can be done in those league and be gotten away with like match fixing and other illegal officiating.

I think anyone who's caught for match fixing in any of the sports should be punished severely so others can learn. Match fixing takes out the integrity of the game and also reduced fans attendance which makes the clubs lose money.

This is also the reason it's prohibited for those involved with sports to place bets. Imagine if a coach bets on his side to lose and the payout would be big. He'll intentionally sabotage the game with wrong tactics so it goes in his favor and he wins.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: swogerino on May 11, 2023, 06:43:23 AM
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Congress has long-recognized the potential harms posed by sports betting to the integrity of sporting contests and the public confidence in these events.

This topic stems from the suspension of Jameson Williams for 6 games because he violated the gambling policy. I dug a little and found out the reason for the policy. My understanding of this is that there are two sides to sports betting, the gambler's side and then sports contest games. But this is the first time I am reading that sports betting can affect the game negatively and results in reduced public confidence. Does this apply to the NFL only? What about soccer and other sports? Are they exempted? Let's talk about this.

It doesn't apply to only the NFL, we can see this happening in soccer as well. It mightn't happen to the professional league but the minor league get affected easily since things can be done in those league and be gotten away with like match fixing and other illegal officiating.

I think anyone who's caught for match fixing in any of the sports should be punished severely so others can learn. Match fixing takes out the integrity of the game and also reduced fans attendance which makes the clubs lose money.

This is also the reason it's prohibited for those involved with sports to place bets. Imagine if a coach bets on his side to lose and the payout would be big. He'll intentionally sabotage the game with wrong tactics so it goes in his favor and he wins.

I strongly agree for the minor leagues,especially from what I have read in the past and even seen one of such thing first hand is that Denmark lowest divisions together with Norway who has a lot of lower divisions can easily be fixed as no one cares for what is going on there from UEFA/FIFA I believe.Funny how such games are rarely up for betting in the reputable casinos but in the shady ones who can as well not pay you at all these are all there.

I saw a person playing a correct exact score on Denmark 7th division in a local lotto club many years ago and that game ended exactly with that result,I don't know if it were fixed but surely raised a lot of doubts in my head.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: tusandii on May 11, 2023, 08:34:44 AM
This is why athletes, players, and team members aren't allowed to make bets on the sports that they are a part of themselves. It removes the integrity on the sport because they're making it look like they're profiting off of each other and the incentive isn't to get better at the game or entertain people but rather just for the monetary gains. It also removes the people's trust on the league that the sport belongs to, which will reduce viewership and will surely affect the league in a lot of ways = may affect the gambling aspect of the sport as well.
But I believe that in reality many athletes, players and members of sports teams also participate in several bets because there are several cases that we can see about winning or losing bets made by players or team members in the sports industry even they will definitely bet on the team themselves if it is seen from the start they will win the game, it's just that the bets they make are hidden.
Betting cannot be avoided by anyone even though there are restrictions that regulate it.
Actually this can have a negative impact but somehow they want big money so the bet is still made.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: Apocollapse on May 11, 2023, 08:57:45 AM
But I believe that in reality many athletes, players and members of sports teams also participate in several bets because there are several cases that we can see about winning or losing bets made by players or team members in the sports industry even they will definitely bet on the team themselves if it is seen from the start they will win the game, it's just that the bets they make are hidden.
Betting cannot be avoided by anyone even though there are restrictions that regulate it.
Actually this can have a negative impact but somehow they want big money so the bet is still made.
It will not last long, you forget if casino is a centralized site and they will collect your information.

If the athlete, player or team participate in gambling, they will be monitored and the casino would report them if they're able to identify it. Yeah they can ask their friends or someone that willing to place bet for them, but sooner or later they will get busted due to transaction history and anything else connected.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: wiss19 on May 11, 2023, 12:44:00 PM
Sports betting may affect the game negatively only if the player has also made bets on the game he is playing in and that's already forbidden. What if the player's distant relative made the bet though? That would complicate things. Stuff like that indeed happens and the public would indeed lose their confidence in the games because of those incidents.

Let's say I am the goalkeeper of Team A. In the last minute right before the game, my brother told me that he wagered on the Team B's win against my team. That might affect me in a negative way. It shouldn't normally but we are humans... When people learn about that story, they will question my professionalism righteously.
I think the International Sports Federation knows about that. As long as the price to win the game exceeds the risk&bet amount, there would be no point in worrying.
Everyone has their own number. if that is a big game, the players know it will cost their own carrier
Most of the time, fixers pay way more than the winning amount or the match fees to a certain player that they want to involve in match-fixing, and though some of them refuse and don't take the risk of losing their career and deceiving their team and the nation if it's an international match, some actually take the risk and the money.

And when that happens, it sometimes doesn't get caught and the players get away with it so do the fixers, but, sometimes they are caught and the careers of the players involved get over right at that time. It's basically a very big gamble and isn't worth taking.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: piebeyb on May 11, 2023, 01:11:10 PM
This is why athletes, players, and team members aren't allowed to make bets on the sports that they are a part of themselves. It removes the integrity on the sport because they're making it look like they're profiting off of each other and the incentive isn't to get better at the game or entertain people but rather just for the monetary gains. It also removes the people's trust on the league that the sport belongs to, which will reduce viewership and will surely affect the league in a lot of ways = may affect the gambling aspect of the sport as well.
Are you sure about not allowing athletes and players, let alone team members, to be prohibited from betting, whereas they can do that by asking their family or friends to bet on it, after all, dirty methods like this are mostly practiced in sports gambling and we cannot avoid it because everything returns to its purpose. respectively, namely money, sometimes money will be the main factor for people to cheat.

I never thought this was anything out of the ordinary because even consciously we all know that any practice of cheating in sports betting is not a figment of the imagination and it has been happening for a long time it's just not too widely publicized, moreover there is this thread to discuss it too


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: Taskford on May 11, 2023, 01:59:17 PM
This is why athletes, players, and team members aren't allowed to make bets on the sports that they are a part of themselves. It removes the integrity on the sport because they're making it look like they're profiting off of each other and the incentive isn't to get better at the game or entertain people but rather just for the monetary gains. It also removes the people's trust on the league that the sport belongs to, which will reduce viewership and will surely affect the league in a lot of ways = may affect the gambling aspect of the sport as well.
But I believe that in reality many athletes, players and members of sports teams also participate in several bets because there are several cases that we can see about winning or losing bets made by players or team members in the sports industry even they will definitely bet on the team themselves if it is seen from the start they will win the game, it's just that the bets they make are hidden.
Betting cannot be avoided by anyone even though there are restrictions that regulate it.
Actually this can have a negative impact but somehow they want big money so the bet is still made.

Hard to get a proof regarding on this claims since in first place they are paid huge just to play the sport so provably participating on this kind of betting is not part of their concern. Maybe there are insiders are part of this and they give tips regarding on issues that's why other take this as good indicator to place their bets or not. Overall its hard to say that your claim is true but let see if there's a case like this will be expose since thi is really a big story revealed on the league.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: Aikidoka on May 11, 2023, 02:11:53 PM
I believe that sports game odds can have an impact on teams and players at some point, especially when they realize that the bets are against them to win the game. This could slightly affect their performance, which is not a good thing, but it is an unavoidable aspect of sports betting since its inception.

Unfortunately, in some low-divisions and unknown football leagues, there are cases where teams and players are involved in match-fixing. I mean when the odds are quite tempting they sell the game and involve themselves in the gambling procedure, using various weird tactics to win or lose the game and make a lot of money through betting. These are commonly known as fixed matches.

These fixed correct score games are sold for a lot of money on the dark web, and people can place maximum bets and win a lot of money. This kind of behavior is unfair and significantly reduces the integrity and fairness of the game.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: Gozie51 on May 11, 2023, 02:28:33 PM
But this is the first time I am reading that sports betting can affect the game negatively and results in reduced public confidence. Does this apply to the NFL only? What about soccer and other sports? Are they exempted? Let's talk about this.



Such act for a player to embark on betting on themselves or their team is going to have an effect on the performance at the end of it all because there will be a level of biase to the activity of the players and those who are influenced. Some team have it as a rule not to do that and there are penalties for that if caught.

This should not surprise you and it is not only NFL that is involved in this kind of policy. The league actually started investigating the allegation a month before finally coming to the conclusion and suspending 5 players which include:
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Sources: NFL suspended 5 players, including #Lions WR Jameson Williams, for violations of NFL gambling policy. #Lions’ CJ Moore & Quintez Cephus, plus #Commanders' Shaka Toney, are suspended indefinitely (at least 1 year). Williams & DET’s Stanley Berryhill are suspended 6 games.
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This is also part of the regulation that some casinos or gambling companies stipulate for their employees not to embark on betting for themselves but only to focus on staking or betting done by customers. Most times, if the employees are found to be violating such conditions, they are sacked instantly. This is happening in gambling companies in Nigeria.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: Findingnemo on May 11, 2023, 02:55:11 PM
Fixing the game or cheating in your own team against least favourite for big chunk of money isn't new and many athletes lost their sports career after they found guilty of doing such immoral activities. But for someone who bet few dollars won't take it that much but there also players who bet in millions will take it seriously and turn their life upside down so never trust anything because nothing is 100% perfect.
^ That is a serious offense that can have severe consequences for athletes and their careers. It is not just the large sums of money involved, but also the integrity of the sport itself that is at stake. Even for those who may only bet a few dollars, it is important to remember that every action has consequences, and there's always a risk of getting caught and facing serious penalties. We should always strive for honesty and fair play in all aspects of our lives, both on and off the field.
But "We can't say that everything is happening fairly in any sport because it has become a money-making business in the 21st century. Therefore, even those who are conducting the game, such as the sports board along with sponsors, may take it in the direction of making money, and do anything for it to happen.

This is one of the reasons why I don't get much involved in sports betting and I have also started to lose interest in my favorite sports. I'm not sure if this is happening only to me or if there are others too."


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: maydna on May 11, 2023, 03:36:31 PM
This is why athletes, players, and team members aren't allowed to make bets on the sports that they are a part of themselves. It removes the integrity on the sport because they're making it look like they're profiting off of each other and the incentive isn't to get better at the game or entertain people but rather just for the monetary gains. It also removes the people's trust on the league that the sport belongs to, which will reduce viewership and will surely affect the league in a lot of ways = may affect the gambling aspect of the sport as well.
Are you sure about not allowing athletes and players, let alone team members, to be prohibited from betting, whereas they can do that by asking their family or friends to bet on it, after all, dirty methods like this are mostly practiced in sports gambling and we cannot avoid it because everything returns to its purpose. respectively, namely money, sometimes money will be the main factor for people to cheat.

I never thought this was anything out of the ordinary because even consciously we all know that any practice of cheating in sports betting is not a figment of the imagination and it has been happening for a long time it's just not too widely publicized, moreover there is this thread to discuss it too
Perhaps, the player won't be betting on the sports that the player is a part of, but they can give clues to those closest to them to bet on the team that has a chance of winning. And those closest to him can follow the lead because they think he is an experienced athlete who can tell which team has a higher chance of winning than the other team. And money is a tool to do that because people are very interested and want to know how to make money from gambling. And perhaps, it wasn't cheating because the player was able to prove that he doesn't bet on the sport he is a part of. Meanwhile, if the people closest to him win, the player can get money too.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: Slow death on May 11, 2023, 05:21:17 PM
in my opinion players of any sport should not be prevented from placing sports bets, I say this because technology is currently very advanced to the point where one or two or even people do it on purpose and manipulate the result during the game just because they bet on it same game, the teams fight to win the games because with that they have more media attention and with more media attention they manage to sell more their right to broadcast, they manage to have more sponsors which would make them much more money than going to play a fixed game mainly because in casinos there are betting limits, it doesn't even make sense for teams to play fixed games nowadays

That's why, in my opinion, players should have the right to place sports bets, and we must not forget that sports betting or any game of chance can be harmful if it is exaggerated, if it is played with the objective of obtaining profits, the person can become become addicted, you may lack concentration and attention during the game in the real world, that's a fact, but you can't generalize and think that it will happen to everyone and that for that reason it has to be forbidden for players to somehow sports make sports betting, I think this is not the path that should be followed


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: retreat on May 11, 2023, 05:45:32 PM
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But this is the first time I am reading that sports betting can affect the game negatively and results in reduced public confidence. Does this apply to the NFL only? What about soccer and other sports? Are they exempted? Let's talk about this.
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This is very true in the football industry, due to the large influence of gambling platforms, many people are skeptical and think that some of the games are regulated by gambling platforms. We cannot say that all gambling platforms are like that, but big players usually intervene in games and this has often happened in my country where many football clubs here have stumbled on bribery cases involving gambling platforms. Regulation and supervision also don't seem to apply to this, because we know how big the influence of gambling platforms is, especially in important matches, they certainly don't want to lose.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: Silberman on May 11, 2023, 05:59:34 PM
in my opinion players of any sport should not be prevented from placing sports bets, I say this because technology is currently very advanced to the point where one or two or even people do it on purpose and manipulate the result during the game just because they bet on it same game, the teams fight to win the games because with that they have more media attention and with more media attention they manage to sell more their right to broadcast, they manage to have more sponsors which would make them much more money than going to play a fixed game mainly because in casinos there are betting limits, it doesn't even make sense for teams to play fixed games nowadays

That's why, in my opinion, players should have the right to place sports bets, and we must not forget that sports betting or any game of chance can be harmful if it is exaggerated, if it is played with the objective of obtaining profits, the person can become become addicted, you may lack concentration and attention during the game in the real world, that's a fact, but you can't generalize and think that it will happen to everyone and that for that reason it has to be forbidden for players to somehow sports make sports betting, I think this is not the path that should be followed
I think most leagues do not care if their players make some sport bets on a sport different than the one they compete, however as soon as they make some bets on the same games or the same league then this can affect the confidence of the fans on the games, and without that trust then the whole thing comes crashing down, so in my opinion it makes sense that leagues around the world are at least very strict when it comes to any behavior which may incite any form of match fixing among their players.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: nara1892 on May 11, 2023, 06:02:30 PM
This is why athletes, players, and team members aren't allowed to make bets on the sports that they are a part of themselves. It removes the integrity on the sport because they're making it look like they're profiting off of each other and the incentive isn't to get better at the game or entertain people but rather just for the monetary gains. It also removes the people's trust on the league that the sport belongs to, which will reduce viewership and will surely affect the league in a lot of ways = may affect the gambling aspect of the sport as well.
Are you sure about not allowing athletes and players, let alone team members, to be prohibited from betting, whereas they can do that by asking their family or friends to bet on it, after all, dirty methods like this are mostly practiced in sports gambling and we cannot avoid it because everything returns to its purpose. respectively, namely money, sometimes money will be the main factor for people to cheat.
Even though such a thing is likely to happen and is like an open secret, on the other hand, when an athlete who is directly involved seems to have a bigger influence in terms of integrity.
Actually betting by the athlete himself or maybe his family is not much different, the problem is when something like this happens and then it is published, so this allows for image and performance. Even though the goal, as you said, is only money, but when athletes are involved themselves and are not in a condition to use a third person, such as family or friends, this might be another consideration.

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I never thought this was anything out of the ordinary because even consciously we all know that any practice of cheating in sports betting is not a figment of the imagination and it has been happening for a long time it's just not too widely publicized, moreover there is this thread to discuss it too
Agree with this because indeed conditions like this are still very common to be carried out especially in gambling even though it is not published but something like this definitely exists and it is sometimes seen especially for some matches where the caste are not very well known.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: wiss19 on May 12, 2023, 08:52:24 PM
But "We can't say that everything is happening fairly in any sport because it has become a money-making business in the 21st century. Therefore, even those who are conducting the game, such as the sports board along with sponsors, may take it in the direction of making money, and do anything for it to happen.

This is one of the reasons why I don't get much involved in sports betting and I have also started to lose interest in my favorite sports. I'm not sure if this is happening only to me or if there are others too."
Well, nothing always happens fairly in any sport or even outside sports, in any sector or industry, there will always be some people who would do almost anything for money, and even if that makes a bad name about the sport or whatever they are involved in, it isn't necessary for us to blame the whole department just because of some people.

Cricket is my favorite sport, and though I know that there can be people who fix matches or take the money and agree to do anything even cheat their own team, that doesn't make me hate the sport itself, I will hate those people for doing such things.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: Johnyz on May 12, 2023, 09:23:26 PM
This is why athletes, players, and team members aren't allowed to make bets on the sports that they are a part of themselves. It removes the integrity on the sport because they're making it look like they're profiting off of each other and the incentive isn't to get better at the game or entertain people but rather just for the monetary gains. It also removes the people's trust on the league that the sport belongs to, which will reduce viewership and will surely affect the league in a lot of ways = may affect the gambling aspect of the sport as well.
Definitely right, they should be strictly prohibited because they are part of the team and this can affect the integrity of the sports, and if this will expose I’m sure that team and that player will not be on a good position. Though the gambling site should already have the restrictions with regards to this one, the problem here is that if you are a real gambler I’m sure you will let someone place a bet for you just to avoid this restrictions.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: livingfree on May 12, 2023, 09:37:09 PM
Definitely right, they should be strictly prohibited because they are part of the team and this can affect the integrity of the sports, and if this will expose I’m sure that team and that player will not be on a good position. Though the gambling site should already have the restrictions with regards to this one, the problem here is that if you are a real gambler I’m sure you will let someone place a bet for you just to avoid this restrictions.
I am not sure if there's a contract written that they should avoid gambling as well related to their sports or they're not allowed to gamble no matter what type of games they do.

But in order for them to protect their integrity, this is a good rule that should be apply to all the professional athletes as most of their games can be found in sportsbook.

Let the gamble happen on the fans and not with these professionals that do cast their bets on their own.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: goaldigger on May 12, 2023, 09:43:41 PM
Definitely right, they should be strictly prohibited because they are part of the team and this can affect the integrity of the sports, and if this will expose I’m sure that team and that player will not be on a good position. Though the gambling site should already have the restrictions with regards to this one, the problem here is that if you are a real gambler I’m sure you will let someone place a bet for you just to avoid this restrictions.
I am not sure if there's a contract written that they should avoid gambling as well related to their sports or they're not allowed to gamble no matter what type of games they do.

But in order for them to protect their integrity, this is a good rule that should be apply to all the professional athletes as most of their games can be found in sportsbook.

Let the gamble happen on the fans and not with these professionals that do cast their bets on their own.
This is the practice already where the players are not allowed to take participate on any bet in relation to their sports and to the team, but some are still ignoring the rules and now they have to pay for the price of it especially if they will be caught in action. Betting on your own team or sports might already kill the integrity of the players, as a player you should avoid doing this. I’m pretty sure they are not restricted to gamble at all, but there are limitations.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: livingfree on May 12, 2023, 10:43:21 PM
I am not sure if there's a contract written that they should avoid gambling as well related to their sports or they're not allowed to gamble no matter what type of games they do.

But in order for them to protect their integrity, this is a good rule that should be apply to all the professional athletes as most of their games can be found in sportsbook.

Let the gamble happen on the fans and not with these professionals that do cast their bets on their own.
This is the practice already where the players are not allowed to take participate on any bet in relation to their sports and to the team, but some are still ignoring the rules and now they have to pay for the price of it especially if they will be caught in action. Betting on your own team or sports might already kill the integrity of the players, as a player you should avoid doing this. I’m pretty sure they are not restricted to gamble at all, but there are limitations.
Those athletes that don't know how to honor their contracts or sporting rules that they're part of should learn the hardest way.

Those fines that shall be imposed on them should be a lot of money for them to never do that again and will start honoring their contract and rules that's being placed upon each of them.

They'll never stop and learn until there's a big chunk of money deducted on their salaries and contracts, that will make them meek and obedient.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: Mauser on May 13, 2023, 06:58:32 AM

This topic stems from the suspension of Jameson Williams for 6 games because he violated the gambling policy. I dug a little and found out the reason for the policy. My understanding of this is that there are two sides to sports betting, the gambler's side and then sports contest games. But this is the first time I am reading that sports betting can affect the game negatively and results in reduced public confidence. Does this apply to the NFL only? What about soccer and other sports? Are they exempted? Let's talk about this.


Also the first time I am reading about people complaining about the integrity of the sport itself due to gambling. Usually the critics of sports betting and gambling in general see a risk for the public due to gambling addiction and not for morally corrupting the players. In my opinion this is not really the case as most of the top athletes would never risk their job for gambling on their own matches. If you already have a contract to earn millions by playing the game, why would you risk it all for some small profit? It's also surprising that something like that would happen in NFL, where you have so many players per team that the impact of one individual is much smaller. The same goes for football, there are so many viewers and cameras covering the match that it's hard to deliberate throw a game in your favour. It's common that in all competitive sports the players are not allowed to bet on their own matches and I would expect to most player follow that rule. 


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: fullhdpixel on May 13, 2023, 07:46:04 AM
This is why athletes, players, and team members aren't allowed to make bets on the sports that they are a part of themselves. It removes the integrity on the sport because they're making it look like they're profiting off of each other and the incentive isn't to get better at the game or entertain people but rather just for the monetary gains. It also removes the people's trust on the league that the sport belongs to, which will reduce viewership and will surely affect the league in a lot of ways = may affect the gambling aspect of the sport as well.
Are you sure about not allowing athletes and players, let alone team members, to be prohibited from betting, whereas they can do that by asking their family or friends to bet on it, after all, dirty methods like this are mostly practiced in sports gambling and we cannot avoid it because everything returns to its purpose. respectively, namely money, sometimes money will be the main factor for people to cheat.

I never thought this was anything out of the ordinary because even consciously we all know that any practice of cheating in sports betting is not a figment of the imagination and it has been happening for a long time it's just not too widely publicized, moreover there is this thread to discuss it too
If they do that, they only prove that they can't follow a simple instruction. Their morals are already destroyed but it's not a problem if they already did it before. There is a big chance that who does this are also involved in a match-fixing.

There is a way to avoid it if we knew it will happen because it affects our betting experience but if you are also dishonest like the players and you know if which team will win, you will be glad to ride it. Topics like this are regularly being discussed in this board but people can easily moved on. We don't focus on it because we know that there are still lots of positive side of sports betting and they are more worthy to talk about.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: dezoel on May 13, 2023, 09:45:59 AM
I think most leagues do not care if their players make some sport bets on a sport different than the one they compete, however as soon as they make some bets on the same games or the same league then this can affect the confidence of the fans on the games, and without that trust then the whole thing comes crashing down, so in my opinion it makes sense that leagues around the world are at least very strict when it comes to any behavior which may incite any form of match fixing among their players.
I wonder how would team management know if a player has actually placed a bet on the match they are participating in since they can always do it anonymously, especially in such times when many cryptocurrency sports betting platforms let you place bets without any inquiries if the bet amount isn't too high and some even allow bigger bets since they don't ask for KYC.

And they would obviously not care if a player is generally gambling and placing bets on another sport or even on the same sport but on a different team, that shouldn't be a violation since they cannot have any influence on those matches.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: Silberman on May 14, 2023, 06:50:28 PM
I think most leagues do not care if their players make some sport bets on a sport different than the one they compete, however as soon as they make some bets on the same games or the same league then this can affect the confidence of the fans on the games, and without that trust then the whole thing comes crashing down, so in my opinion it makes sense that leagues around the world are at least very strict when it comes to any behavior which may incite any form of match fixing among their players.
I wonder how would team management know if a player has actually placed a bet on the match they are participating in since they can always do it anonymously, especially in such times when many cryptocurrency sports betting platforms let you place bets without any inquiries if the bet amount isn't too high and some even allow bigger bets since they don't ask for KYC.

And they would obviously not care if a player is generally gambling and placing bets on another sport or even on the same sport but on a different team, that shouldn't be a violation since they cannot have any influence on those matches.
It is known that a great deal of the criminals end up outing themselves as they like to brag about what they did, so while you are right and some of those players could remain anonymous by gambling with cryptocurrencies on matches in which they participate, they will eventually tell someone, which in turn will tell to someone else, until all the team knows what they are up to and eventually someone which is willing to do something about it finds out and then those players receive the sanctions they deserve.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: TimeTeller on May 14, 2023, 07:53:03 PM
I think most leagues do not care if their players make some sport bets on a sport different than the one they compete, however as soon as they make some bets on the same games or the same league then this can affect the confidence of the fans on the games, and without that trust then the whole thing comes crashing down, so in my opinion it makes sense that leagues around the world are at least very strict when it comes to any behavior which may incite any form of match fixing among their players.
I wonder how would team management know if a player has actually placed a bet on the match they are participating in since they can always do it anonymously, especially in such times when many cryptocurrency sports betting platforms let you place bets without any inquiries if the bet amount isn't too high and some even allow bigger bets since they don't ask for KYC.

And they would obviously not care if a player is generally gambling and placing bets on another sport or even on the same sport but on a different team, that shouldn't be a violation since they cannot have any influence on those matches.

I believe that's already happening. If the athlete is very discreet with his gambling activities.
We can't say that they are not totally participating as we don't know them what they are doing 24/7.
They can easily place bets by letting his friends, family or other close friends to do such betting for them.
So we can't say they are not doing it because there are so many options how to execute it silently.
So long they are not fixing the game to favor their bets, and just let the game flow in natural way, I think there won't be any problem.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: peter0425 on May 15, 2023, 07:30:29 AM
I am reading that sports betting can affect the game negatively and results in reduced public confidence.

Sports betting may affect the game negatively only if the player has also made bets on the game he is playing in and that's already forbidden. What if the player's distant relative made the bet though? That would complicate things. Stuff like that indeed happens and the public would indeed lose their confidence in the games because of those incidents.

Let's say I am the goalkeeper of Team A. In the last minute right before the game, my brother told me that he wagered on the Team B's win against my team. That might affect me in a negative way. It shouldn't normally but we are humans... When people learn about that story, they will question my professionalism righteously.
I think the International Sports Federation knows about that. As long as the price to win the game exceeds the risk&bet amount, there would be no point in worrying.
Everyone has their own number. if that is a big game, the players know it will cost their own carrier

Players that willing to be part of rigging doesn't really care about that though indeed that it is their career that will be burn yet it is about how much they can get before the burning .
so caring is not the first priority but how much is involved.
lesson here is never bet in a game that is prone to being rigged and there are rumors that Basketball and boxing is mostly affected by this but of course there are other sports that has this now.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: South Park on May 17, 2023, 07:07:07 PM
Players that willing to be part of rigging doesn't really care about that though indeed that it is their career that will be burn yet it is about how much they can get before the burning .
so caring is not the first priority but how much is involved.
lesson here is never bet in a game that is prone to being rigged and there are rumors that Basketball and boxing is mostly affected by this but of course there are other sports that has this now.
Unfortunately you cannot know which matches are rigged or not beforehand, there are some boxing matches in which it has been quite obvious the judges were favoring one of the fighters, and yet despite the fact the whole world watched one fighter win the match the judges give the match to the other fighter, and while sometimes the argument about the fans not being very knowledgeable about the sport may make some sense, there have been many instances in which even the experts complain about it, showing very clearly those judges were bought before the fight and as such the whole thing was rigged.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: madnessteat on May 17, 2023, 07:16:38 PM
^

In any area where there is a lot of money, and sports betting is just one of those areas, there will always be people seeking every possible way to cheat the system and make money on it. So just build into your analytics some probability that any match can be fixed. Understanding this is not so disappointing when the team that was supposed to win suddenly los


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: Sandra_hakeem on May 17, 2023, 09:32:49 PM
It's applied in every league...
But why would they create a diversified betting strategy and still say the game is fair enough?? Wouldn't that mean they already know what the game will end as, so for that reason, a ban is placed against the players themselves??...
I don't even know how the terms of operation looks like, but I do know that shit's happening in smaller league of the European football game and they admins do alot to cover 'em Traces... Even if I Begin to gamble today, I can't bet on smaller games.

Sandra 🧑‍🦰


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: arwin100 on May 17, 2023, 10:27:02 PM
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In any area where there is a lot of money, and sports betting is just one of those areas, there will always be people seeking every possible way to cheat the system and make money on it. So just build into your analytics some probability that any match can be fixed. Understanding this is not so disappointing when the team that was supposed to win suddenly los

Most of the time we can see the game fixing on important games like playoffs since businessman want to stretch up the series since they want to get more ticket sales and earn from sponsorship so we also need to watch that since giving out a win to favor on a team is really happening. And we also need to look at this scenario since this is happening on sports, to many manipulation happen since there's huge money involve and some want to take advantage on big games since this could generate them more profits.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: harapan on May 17, 2023, 11:10:35 PM
Sports betting affects the game,  and anything that affects the game, affects both ways, both positively and Negatively.
Sports Gambling can be regulated, instead of out rightly banning it.
It affects the game when players of that particular sport also gambling. Players, owners of clubs, coaches, technical crew and every other people involve in a particular sports should not gamble in that particular sport. This way, they wont have any ulterior motive to affect the game.
In soccer there are strict penalties for involving in gambling as a player.
There may still be match fixing and all but it is very reduced to the lowest part of the spot where there is no much scrutiny.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: Pierre 2 on May 18, 2023, 10:39:41 AM
It's applied in every league...
But why would they create a diversified betting strategy and still say the game is fair enough?? Wouldn't that mean they already know what the game will end as, so for that reason, a ban is placed against the players themselves??...
I don't even know how the terms of operation looks like, but I do know that shit's happening in smaller league of the European football game and they admins do alot to cover 'em Traces... Even if I Begin to gamble today, I can't bet on smaller games.

Sandra 🧑‍🦰
I agree with you. I think match fixing tend to happen in lower leagues. I guess people who operate such kind of rings like to be undercover. Who would watch a match in like 3rd league of some eastern European country? Probably noone. Anyways, its definitely strange to observe a player gambling himself/herself. I wish influence of gambling on our lives was far lowered so we could both have fair sports games and fair gambling. Its obvious that gambling's mere existence effects everything.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: Yamifoud on May 18, 2023, 12:19:32 PM
Sports betting affects the game,  and anything that affects the game, affects both ways, both positively and Negatively.
Sports Gambling can be regulated, instead of out rightly banning it.
It affects the game when players of that particular sport also gambling. Players, owners of clubs, coaches, technical crew and every other people involve in a particular sports should not gamble in that particular sport. This way, they wont have any ulterior motive to affect the game.
In soccer there are strict penalties for involving in gambling as a player.
There may still be match fixing and all but it is very reduced to the lowest part of the spot where there is no much scrutiny.

What you've mentioned are likely existing rules in certain leagues. Players and coaches should not be allowed to gamble on their own games because it would raise suspicions among fans that they might be involved in manipulating game outcomes. Considering the enormous size of the sports betting industry, which is worth billions of dollars, there is a risk that a player could place a large bet against themselves or their team and deliberately lose in order to make easy money without being detected. Such actions would greatly undermine the credibility of the league as a whole, and that's something we definitely want to avoid.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: Weawant on May 18, 2023, 12:54:50 PM
Sports betting affects the game,  and anything that affects the game, affects both ways, both positively and Negatively.
Sports Gambling can be regulated, instead of out rightly banning it.
It affects the game when players of that particular sport also gambling. Players, owners of clubs, coaches, technical crew and every other people involve in a particular sports should not gamble in that particular sport. This way, they wont have any ulterior motive to affect the game.

Soccer has betting regulations yet we still have the players that are defaulting, all players, coach and other coaching staff should be banned from gambling. They should only be allowed to bet when they have retired officially from the sport they're involved in.

Fans should be allowed to bet as it bring entertainment for some fans and also gives them an opportunity to earn money for their knowledge on their favorite sports. Betting should only be banned for those that can influence the results of the game

If sport betting were to be banned it means many sportsbook will run out of business and many clubs both those in soccer and other sports will lose a lot of money. They'll lose sponsorship and partnership and that'll make clubs run ot of money to manage the clubs.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: maydna on May 18, 2023, 03:42:06 PM
Sports betting affects the game,  and anything that affects the game, affects both ways, both positively and Negatively.
Sports Gambling can be regulated, instead of out rightly banning it.
It affects the game when players of that particular sport also gambling. Players, owners of clubs, coaches, technical crew and every other people involve in a particular sports should not gamble in that particular sport. This way, they wont have any ulterior motive to affect the game.
In soccer there are strict penalties for involving in gambling as a player.
There may still be match fixing and all but it is very reduced to the lowest part of the spot where there is no much scrutiny.

What you've mentioned are likely existing rules in certain leagues. Players and coaches should not be allowed to gamble on their own games because it would raise suspicions among fans that they might be involved in manipulating game outcomes. Considering the enormous size of the sports betting industry, which is worth billions of dollars, there is a risk that a player could place a large bet against themselves or their team and deliberately lose in order to make easy money without being detected. Such actions would greatly undermine the credibility of the league as a whole, and that's something we definitely want to avoid.
But there may still be some betting from those players and coaches, especially if the match is not in their region and a different league. Especially if the match comes from another country, it is unlikely that they will know the final result, which a group of people may arrange. And as long as the surveillance isn't too strict, they can still bet and will stop when the surveillance starts again, so they won't be able to be tracked by the regulatory agency. But I don't know, we don't know or it's hard to know the truth, and we can only guess.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: Silberman on May 18, 2023, 07:59:48 PM
What you've mentioned are likely existing rules in certain leagues. Players and coaches should not be allowed to gamble on their own games because it would raise suspicions among fans that they might be involved in manipulating game outcomes. Considering the enormous size of the sports betting industry, which is worth billions of dollars, there is a risk that a player could place a large bet against themselves or their team and deliberately lose in order to make easy money without being detected. Such actions would greatly undermine the credibility of the league as a whole, and that's something we definitely want to avoid.
But there may still be some betting from those players and coaches, especially if the match is not in their region and a different league. Especially if the match comes from another country, it is unlikely that they will know the final result, which a group of people may arrange. And as long as the surveillance isn't too strict, they can still bet and will stop when the surveillance starts again, so they won't be able to be tracked by the regulatory agency. But I don't know, we don't know or it's hard to know the truth, and we can only guess.
There is no doubt in my mind that this is already happening, what we do not know is the extent of this practice, if we are talking about only a few people doing this then that is within the acceptable limits, as it is probable those which are doing that are players which are not the very best and as such their influence over important games is limited, however if this practice is widespread then this could spell doom to any sport, as the moment this was revealed fans will become incredibly disappointed this was the case, and some of them may give up on the sport for good.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: maydna on May 19, 2023, 01:16:50 PM
What you've mentioned are likely existing rules in certain leagues. Players and coaches should not be allowed to gamble on their own games because it would raise suspicions among fans that they might be involved in manipulating game outcomes. Considering the enormous size of the sports betting industry, which is worth billions of dollars, there is a risk that a player could place a large bet against themselves or their team and deliberately lose in order to make easy money without being detected. Such actions would greatly undermine the credibility of the league as a whole, and that's something we definitely want to avoid.
But there may still be some betting from those players and coaches, especially if the match is not in their region and a different league. Especially if the match comes from another country, it is unlikely that they will know the final result, which a group of people may arrange. And as long as the surveillance isn't too strict, they can still bet and will stop when the surveillance starts again, so they won't be able to be tracked by the regulatory agency. But I don't know, we don't know or it's hard to know the truth, and we can only guess.
There is no doubt in my mind that this is already happening, what we do not know is the extent of this practice, if we are talking about only a few people doing this then that is within the acceptable limits, as it is probable those which are doing that are players which are not the very best and as such their influence over important games is limited, however if this practice is widespread then this could spell doom to any sport, as the moment this was revealed fans will become incredibly disappointed this was the case, and some of them may give up on the sport for good.
I think this practice has been around for a long time, and not many people know about it, so it makes people who do it feel safe. After all, activities like this may have gotten bigger because there is no strict supervision from the authorities, so they can still do it outside their league. And it's true that if this gets out and the public finds out about it, there will be a huge wave of demonstrations demanding that those involved with the activity be punished. But let's hope that doesn't happen in the sports leagues in our country so that none of the fans will be disappointed after knowing about it.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: SirLancelot on May 19, 2023, 06:53:45 PM
I think the International Sports Federation knows about that. As long as the price to win the game exceeds the risk&bet amount, there would be no point in worrying.
Everyone has their own number. if that is a big game, the players know it will cost their own carrier
Players that willing to be part of rigging doesn't really care about that though indeed that it is their career that will be burn yet it is about how much they can get before the burning .
so caring is not the first priority but how much is involved.
lesson here is never bet in a game that is prone to being rigged and there are rumors that Basketball and boxing is mostly affected by this but of course there are other sports that has this now.
Almost every single sport is prone to match-fixing as such people will do it everywhere to fill their pockets. Football is the biggest sport in the world, and if things like these can happen in football, you can imagine that they can happen in any sport out there, it is just that some of it is done on a lower level while some is done on a bigger scale.

If you are a sports bettor, you can't just ignore all the sports that you have experienced since that will leave you with no option at all, so you are basically compelled to make bets and since you can't know about such things beforehand, you might face losses sometimes due to this.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: kamvreto on May 19, 2023, 07:53:53 PM

I think this practice has been around for a long time, and not many people know about it, so it makes people who do it feel safe. After all, activities like this may have gotten bigger because there is no strict supervision from the authorities, so they can still do it outside their league. And it's true that if this gets out and the public finds out about it, there will be a huge wave of demonstrations demanding that those involved with the activity be punished. But let's hope that doesn't happen in the sports leagues in our country so that none of the fans will be disappointed after knowing about it.

Shut up money for bets like this will also be bigger and there will be no one to carry out checks regarding player and coach bets. The turnover of money may be quite large and behind big bets there are several players who provide this capital. But that is the world of gambling, and anyone can do it without their real identity.
Big matches are of course the main target as bigger stakes. Somehow the authorities will overcome this kind of betting problem, because the flow of funds is also large and increasingly strong to take shelter and stay safe.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: maydna on May 20, 2023, 01:24:08 PM

I think this practice has been around for a long time, and not many people know about it, so it makes people who do it feel safe. After all, activities like this may have gotten bigger because there is no strict supervision from the authorities, so they can still do it outside their league. And it's true that if this gets out and the public finds out about it, there will be a huge wave of demonstrations demanding that those involved with the activity be punished. But let's hope that doesn't happen in the sports leagues in our country so that none of the fans will be disappointed after knowing about it.

Shut up money for bets like this will also be bigger and there will be no one to carry out checks regarding player and coach bets. The turnover of money may be quite large and behind big bets there are several players who provide this capital. But that is the world of gambling, and anyone can do it without their real identity.
Big matches are of course the main target as bigger stakes. Somehow the authorities will overcome this kind of betting problem, because the flow of funds is also large and increasingly strong to take shelter and stay safe.
Especially if many people are involved in such practices, they would cover it up tightly and not let anyone else know about it. The checks carried out may only be for formality so that the public knows that the officers involved have checked everything and made sure everything is safe. Maybe big fights are the main target, but they will involve a lot of people in it, and if it gets caught by the public, it could cause the public's trust to drop drastically, and they won't give their support anymore.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: boyptc on May 20, 2023, 06:03:46 PM
Almost every single sport is prone to match-fixing as such people will do it everywhere to fill their pockets. Football is the biggest sport in the world, and if things like these can happen in football, you can imagine that they can happen in any sport out there, it is just that some of it is done on a lower level while some is done on a bigger scale.

If you are a sports bettor, you can't just ignore all the sports that you have experienced since that will leave you with no option at all, so you are basically compelled to make bets and since you can't know about such things beforehand, you might face losses sometimes due to this.
Those footballers that are going to recklessly destroy their career just because of betting, they are not thinking correctly. How much bet will it take for them to throw a game and sell it?

I don't think it's the wisest thing to do and these people should learn that there's so much more on the pro scene and look at those richest footballers that have been protecting their reputation.

That's what they should think of and not all about gambling and throwing games for quick money, it's unethical and will be forever engraved to their names if they've been caught to be part of it.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: kamvreto on May 20, 2023, 11:33:25 PM
Especially if many people are involved in such practices, they would cover it up tightly and not let anyone else know about it. The checks carried out may only be for formality so that the public knows that the officers involved have checked everything and made sure everything is safe. Maybe big fights are the main target, but they will involve a lot of people in it, and if it gets caught by the public, it could cause the public's trust to drop drastically, and they won't give their support anymore.

that's the risk, but we can see that at the moment there is no news whatsoever about insider betting news. It is indeed completely private and only a few people know about it, and many money transactions are carried out. this could be a side practice of some other player or staff, a behind the scenes practice completely protected from the outside world.
inspection is only a formality, but in reality all rottenness is properly covered up. Nowadays platforms for betting are easier to access, easier to do without a trace.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: maydna on May 21, 2023, 12:33:10 PM
Especially if many people are involved in such practices, they would cover it up tightly and not let anyone else know about it. The checks carried out may only be for formality so that the public knows that the officers involved have checked everything and made sure everything is safe. Maybe big fights are the main target, but they will involve a lot of people in it, and if it gets caught by the public, it could cause the public's trust to drop drastically, and they won't give their support anymore.

that's the risk, but we can see that at the moment there is no news whatsoever about insider betting news. It is indeed completely private and only a few people know about it, and many money transactions are carried out. this could be a side practice of some other player or staff, a behind the scenes practice completely protected from the outside world.
inspection is only a formality, but in reality all rottenness is properly covered up. Nowadays platforms for betting are easier to access, easier to do without a trace.
And that is why we will never know about insider betting news. Everything can be found if someone is caught in a secret operation by officers looking for insider bets and cleaning up everything from the frauds they are doing. But it will all depend on how secret the operation info is so that no one will leak it. It's like an insider looking for faults where the people know each other and have worked together for several years. And knowing that or tracking it has never been easier.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: tusandii on May 21, 2023, 01:15:22 PM
And that is why we will never know about insider betting news. Everything can be found if someone is caught in a secret operation by officers looking for insider bets and cleaning up everything from the frauds they are doing. But it will all depend on how secret the operation info is so that no one will leak it. It's like an insider looking for faults where the people know each other and have worked together for several years. And knowing that or tracking it has never been easier.
What you are saying will actually just be a chain that rotates in a gambling because the insiders who participate in betting also use larger amounts of money so there will be no possible operation that will succeed because everything will return to the money where when there is money in huge amount no one can stop it.
Actually this is very detrimental for us because it can change the results that should already be obvious.
But it's also those with the bigger bucks who will reign supreme in sports betting.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: piebeyb on May 21, 2023, 01:34:52 PM
And that is why we will never know about insider betting news. Everything can be found if someone is caught in a secret operation by officers looking for insider bets and cleaning up everything from the frauds they are doing. But it will all depend on how secret the operation info is so that no one will leak it. It's like an insider looking for faults where the people know each other and have worked together for several years. And knowing that or tracking it has never been easier.
What you are saying will actually just be a chain that rotates in a gambling because the insiders who participate in betting also use larger amounts of money so there will be no possible operation that will succeed because everything will return to the money where when there is money in huge amount no one can stop it.
Actually this is very detrimental for us because it can change the results that should already be obvious.
But it's also those with the bigger bucks who will reign supreme in sports betting.
There are many cases in sports betting and especially in football, sometimes there is fixing the score in every game so that we can lose because we chose the wrong club with the seed, that's why I'm more interested in sports betting in the big league and never betting on the minor leagues because it usually happens a lot. fraud in it and many people who do business like that.

I've heard of cheating cases like this in football, where insiders already know the results so they can bet big money to get big wins too in the stakes.  :D


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: Helena Yu on May 21, 2023, 01:43:31 PM
I think scripted match is nothing new, there has been many cases founded since long time ago. It's already become hard because the government are tightening rule and identity verification, so they can see the money flowing, who's send to who, how much they send etc.

I've heard of cheating cases like this in football, where insiders already know the results so they can bet big money to get big wins too in the stakes.  :D
Maybe the Liverpool vs Manchester United match where Liverpool scored 7 goals was a scripted match? :D

No one was expect Liverpool can score 7 goals when they were playing very bad at that time.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: Fesatmas on May 21, 2023, 01:49:27 PM
And that is why we will never know about insider betting news. Everything can be found if someone is caught in a secret operation by officers looking for insider bets and cleaning up everything from the frauds they are doing. But it will all depend on how secret the operation info is so that no one will leak it. It's like an insider looking for faults where the people know each other and have worked together for several years. And knowing that or tracking it has never been easier.
What you are saying will actually just be a chain that rotates in a gambling because the insiders who participate in betting also use larger amounts of money so there will be no possible operation that will succeed because everything will return to the money where when there is money in huge amount no one can stop it.
Actually this is very detrimental for us because it can change the results that should already be obvious.
But it's also those with the bigger bucks who will reign supreme in sports betting.
Of course this scenario is like this is very detrimental and becomes an unfair gamble for us who are generally following the gamble in one of the teams that should have won but are required to lose, this is the dark side of the soccer or other sports gains and seems to be easily in manipulation among insiders.
No matter how much the money used by people inside to manipulate this, of course it is not a fair thing and is very detrimental to many parties who should benefit from their betting. But indeed things like this are very difficult for us to detect it because in cases like this the game is very neat. Because of that I am one of the people who rarely do sports gambling.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: klidex on May 21, 2023, 02:15:30 PM
And that is why we will never know about insider betting news. Everything can be found if someone is caught in a secret operation by officers looking for insider bets and cleaning up everything from the frauds they are doing. But it will all depend on how secret the operation info is so that no one will leak it. It's like an insider looking for faults where the people know each other and have worked together for several years. And knowing that or tracking it has never been easier.
As long as the insider relationship is good, I don't think anyone will leak the information.
Actually, insider bets will only be known between one dealer and another, only 2 people or three people, and as long as the dealer is fair in distributing the results of the money, of course they always work well together without divulging any information.
Because if one leaks insider betting information, of course he will also reveal all information related to one another that has deceived many people.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: Silberman on May 22, 2023, 06:22:26 AM
There are many cases in sports betting and especially in football, sometimes there is fixing the score in every game so that we can lose because we chose the wrong club with the seed, that's why I'm more interested in sports betting in the big league and never betting on the minor leagues because it usually happens a lot. fraud in it and many people who do business like that.

I've heard of cheating cases like this in football, where insiders already know the results so they can bet big money to get big wins too in the stakes.  :D
Fixing games without a doubt is way more common on leagues which are not really popular, as not only a lot of money is moving on the more popular leagues and as such it is more difficult to bribe the players as they will not want to take the risk to lose it all for a single time payment, but also the fact the fans watch those matches makes way more difficult to hide the fact there was some cheating involved, however on those unpopular leagues this is easier to do and even if the fans realize what is happening, most of the time nothing really happens, so the incentive to fix games and cheat is way higher there.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: dezoel on May 22, 2023, 01:56:11 PM
Especially if many people are involved in such practices, they would cover it up tightly and not let anyone else know about it. The checks carried out may only be for formality so that the public knows that the officers involved have checked everything and made sure everything is safe. Maybe big fights are the main target, but they will involve a lot of people in it, and if it gets caught by the public, it could cause the public's trust to drop drastically, and they won't give their support anymore.
that's the risk, but we can see that at the moment there is no news whatsoever about insider betting news. It is indeed completely private and only a few people know about it, and many money transactions are carried out. this could be a side practice of some other player or staff, a behind the scenes practice completely protected from the outside world.
inspection is only a formality, but in reality all rottenness is properly covered up. Nowadays platforms for betting are easier to access, easier to do without a trace.
With cryptocurrency casinos available all around the world, it is not a matter anymore to place bets on sports events from anywhere, so if an insider wants to place bets, they can easily do it with a cryptocurrency casino without anyone noticing or having any doubt unless the person who makes the bets gets caught because of his mobile being examined which is not a very likely scenario.

So with the advent of online casinos, it has become very easy for insiders in sports to cheat and win a lot of money by placing bets on teams they know will win their sources are never wrong, and no one can really stop all this.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: maydna on May 22, 2023, 03:52:59 PM
~snip~
What you are saying will actually just be a chain that rotates in a gambling because the insiders who participate in betting also use larger amounts of money so there will be no possible operation that will succeed because everything will return to the money where when there is money in huge amount no one can stop it.
Actually this is very detrimental for us because it can change the results that should already be obvious.
But it's also those with the bigger bucks who will reign supreme in sports betting.
And they can also use money from corruption which is then used for betting, and we know that is part of laundering money from the proceeds of illegal activities. And when it is money from money laundering, the amount will be huge, and we will not be able to imagine it. We can only go with the flow and hope we get lucky and win with them. After all, if we win, it's a great result for us. But if they can change the match's outcome, we have nothing to do and can only accept their loss.

~snip~
As long as the insider relationship is good, I don't think anyone will leak the information.
Actually, insider bets will only be known between one dealer and another, only 2 people or three people, and as long as the dealer is fair in distributing the results of the money, of course they always work well together without divulging any information.
Because if one leaks insider betting information, of course he will also reveal all information related to one another that has deceived many people.
No one will leak it if those involved in the bet have agreed beforehand and can take care of each other. And that seems to have happened where they can bet and benefit from it. They are the ones who will win a lot of money because they can find out more detailed information, while outsiders won't know and will experience defeat if they don't follow the dealer.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: BitcoinPanther on May 22, 2023, 05:05:00 PM
There are many cases in sports betting and especially in football, sometimes there is fixing the score in every game so that we can lose because we chose the wrong club with the seed, that's why I'm more interested in sports betting in the big league and never betting on the minor leagues because it usually happens a lot. fraud in it and many people who do business like that.

I've heard of cheating cases like this in football, where insiders already know the results so they can bet big money to get big wins too in the stakes.  :D
Fixing games without a doubt is way more common on leagues which are not really popular, as not only a lot of money is moving on the more popular leagues and as such it is more difficult to bribe the players as they will not want to take the risk to lose it all for a single time payment, but also the fact the fans watch those matches makes way more difficult to hide the fact there was some cheating involved, however on those unpopular leagues this is easier to do and even if the fans realize what is happening, most of the time nothing really happens, so the incentive to fix games and cheat is way higher there.

I think match fixing is more common in boxing.  We often see unfair judging and referee intervention to change the course of the match, it happens plenty in the history of boxing.  The stated scenario that recently happen are the match of Devin Haney and Lomachenco getting a controversial decision, and Tony Weeks making a controversial stoppage in the fight between Romero and Barroso.  Relating these controversial event to spots betting, isn't it possible that these accused of fixing the match is somehow made a bet and made a decision that will secure themselves of winning?



Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: Z390 on May 22, 2023, 05:43:15 PM
Imagine placing a bet on the fastest runner, which looks like a sure win to you and the runner decides to pretend to be weak and give the 1st position to another runner, the truth is you will never know if the runner took a bribe to lose the game intentionally, this is one of the ugly sides of placing bets that gamblers have no control over.

Scripted matches can be planned so neat that no one will ever know about, some people are saying that such things don't happen with popular sports but I doubt it, because this is money we are talking about here, powerful enough for some group of people to make a decision that will change the entire future of a sport match.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: Fivestar4everMVP on May 22, 2023, 05:54:38 PM
Imagine placing a bet on the fastest runner, which looks like a sure win to you and the runner decides to pretend to be weak and give the 1st position to another runner, the truth is you will never know if the runner took a bribe to lose the game intentionally, this is one of the ugly sides of placing bets that gamblers have no control over.

Scripted matches can be planned so neat that no one will ever know about, some people are saying that such things don't happen with popular sports but I doubt it, because this is money we are talking about here, powerful enough for some group of people to make a decision that will change the entire future of a sport match.
Very well said, I think based on experience, I've reached the level where I no longer say or believe that something is impossible, most especially, when it has to do with something like what is being discussed here.

Fixed games, or scripted matches rather, is very possible, as long as money is involved, money changes gives everything except life, and to see how power money is, it can save lives.

It's just like the last game Arsenal played against Brighton, many believed that Arsenal sold that game to Brighton, cus they can't believe how it became possible for Brighton  to beat Arsenal with 3 goals to nothing, typical example of what a scripted match feels like.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: TheGreatPython on May 23, 2023, 11:15:00 AM
What you are saying will actually just be a chain that rotates in a gambling because the insiders who participate in betting also use larger amounts of money so there will be no possible operation that will succeed because everything will return to the money where when there is money in huge amount no one can stop it.
Actually this is very detrimental for us because it can change the results that should already be obvious.
But it's also those with the bigger bucks who will reign supreme in sports betting.
There are many cases in sports betting and especially in football, sometimes there is fixing the score in every game so that we can lose because we chose the wrong club with the seed, that's why I'm more interested in sports betting in the big league and never betting on the minor leagues because it usually happens a lot. fraud in it and many people who do business like that.

I've heard of cheating cases like this in football, where insiders already know the results so they can bet big money to get big wins too in the stakes.  :D
Do you really think that no fixing happens in the big leagues? If you think so, you are wrong. Fixing or cheating is done even in the big leagues and tournaments but it is done on a lower scale and done very secretly so that the news about such things never surpasses, even if the management comes to know about it, they would never disclose it knowing it will ruin the reputation of the team.

And about insiders, yes, it happens a lot of times when insiders know the results in advance, and they sometimes manage to place bets based on that and win a lot of money but sometimes they are not allowed to do so.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: Silberman on May 25, 2023, 07:19:18 PM
Fixing games without a doubt is way more common on leagues which are not really popular, as not only a lot of money is moving on the more popular leagues and as such it is more difficult to bribe the players as they will not want to take the risk to lose it all for a single time payment, but also the fact the fans watch those matches makes way more difficult to hide the fact there was some cheating involved, however on those unpopular leagues this is easier to do and even if the fans realize what is happening, most of the time nothing really happens, so the incentive to fix games and cheat is way higher there.

I think match fixing is more common in boxing.  We often see unfair judging and referee intervention to change the course of the match, it happens plenty in the history of boxing.  The stated scenario that recently happen are the match of Devin Haney and Lomachenco getting a controversial decision, and Tony Weeks making a controversial stoppage in the fight between Romero and Barroso.  Relating these controversial event to spots betting, isn't it possible that these accused of fixing the match is somehow made a bet and made a decision that will secure themselves of winning?


Fixing games is also more common in sports of appreciation, so in a sport like soccer even if it possible to also fix games there, this is way more difficult due to the number of players on the field and the fact that one team could still overcome doubtful decisions with their brilliant performance, but as you can see fixing a match is easier on boxing, and there have been many instances in which everyone saw a a fighter win and the judges gave the fight to his opponent.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: madnessteat on May 25, 2023, 07:38:47 PM
Imagine placing a bet on the fastest runner, which looks like a sure win to you and the runner decides to pretend to be weak and give the 1st position to another runner, the truth is you will never know if the runner took a bribe to lose the game intentionally, this is one of the ugly sides of placing bets that gamblers have no control over.

Scripted matches can be planned so neat that no one will ever know about, some people are saying that such things don't happen with popular sports but I doubt it, because this is money we are talking about here, powerful enough for some group of people to make a decision that will change the entire future of a sport match.
Very well said, I think based on experience, I've reached the level where I no longer say or believe that something is impossible, most especially, when it has to do with something like what is being discussed here.

Fixed games, or scripted matches rather, is very possible, as long as money is involved, money changes gives everything except life, and to see how power money is, it can save lives.

It's just like the last game Arsenal played against Brighton, many believed that Arsenal sold that game to Brighton, cus they can't believe how it became possible for Brighton  to beat Arsenal with 3 goals to nothing, typical example of what a scripted match feels like.


I absolutely agree with you. Fixed matches will continue to happen until there is greater oversight of athletes, coaches and clubs and stiffer penalties for those whose guilt is proven.

But in general I don't believe that fixed matches will ever be completely eliminated, that's why I think it's better to bet on several matches than on one single match.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: Fortify on May 25, 2023, 08:39:41 PM
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Congress has long-recognized the potential harms posed by sports betting to the integrity of sporting contests and the public confidence in these events.

This topic stems from the suspension of Jameson Williams for 6 games because he violated the gambling policy. I dug a little and found out the reason for the policy. My understanding of this is that there are two sides to sports betting, the gambler's side and then sports contest games. But this is the first time I am reading that sports betting can affect the game negatively and results in reduced public confidence. Does this apply to the NFL only? What about soccer and other sports? Are they exempted? Let's talk about this.

If you think about how much these sporting superstars get paid, then it is not too much to ask of them that they do not place any bets on related sports events. Conflict of interests can be very serious and there are plenty of opportunities to gamble on unrelated sports or in casinos, so you have to assume that they are engaged in malicious activity if they do this. I'm sure sports betting companies are often looking out for dangerous and suspicious patterns in their customers behavior, but rigging can be very difficult to spot if done in a low key manner. That's why the penalties should be so high and whistleblowers should be well compensated (maybe from a fund set up by gambling companies which would save them money in the long term)


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: Wakate on May 25, 2023, 08:55:29 PM
Imagine placing a bet on the fastest runner, which looks like a sure win to you and the runner decides to pretend to be weak and give the 1st position to another runner, the truth is you will never know if the runner took a bribe to lose the game intentionally, this is one of the ugly sides of placing bets that gamblers have no control over.

Scripted matches can be planned so neat that no one will ever know about, some people are saying that such things don't happen with popular sports but I doubt it, because this is money we are talking about here, powerful enough for some group of people to make a decision that will change the entire future of a sport match.
So many things are really happening in gambling so that is why there are always complain where you will see gamblers complaining about casinos not giving them what they deserves. A lot of fraud is happening and we should not surprised about many of these techniques that casinos are using to deprive us of some certain benefits.

Scripted matches do happen even in other sport bets especially in wrestling and others. This is one of the ways these people do make money from gamblers without us knowing how it was planned.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: Silberman on May 28, 2023, 08:19:30 PM
I absolutely agree with you. Fixed matches will continue to happen until there is greater oversight of athletes, coaches and clubs and stiffer penalties for those whose guilt is proven.

But in general I don't believe that fixed matches will ever be completely eliminated, that's why I think it's better to bet on several matches than on one single match.
Since the incentives to cheat will away be there then it is easy to speculate that fixed matches will never disappear, but at least an effort should be made to curb this behavior, I really think that the different sports and leagues around the world are afraid that if they made a real effort to crack down on those cheaters they will find out that a great deal of their teams and players were in it, and they will suffer huge repercussions if this was ever found out by the public.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: LUCKMCFLY on June 04, 2023, 02:19:28 AM
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In any area where there is a lot of money, and sports betting is just one of those areas, there will always be people seeking every possible way to cheat the system and make money on it. So just build into your analytics some probability that any match can be fixed. Understanding this is not so disappointing when the team that was supposed to win suddenly los

I agree with this motion, that's why casinos, betting houses should always have a very big vision about what their security can be, apart from this it could be said that casinos do not do things to reward those who manage to have or discover a vulnerability, and for this reason it is that they always exploit, so it is something that casinos have not yet taken into consideration to do and for their own security, so it is good that casinos invest a lot in their security as well There are reward programs for those who manage to get a vulnerability fixed.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: Solosanz on June 04, 2023, 02:25:58 PM
I absolutely agree with you. Fixed matches will continue to happen until there is greater oversight of athletes, coaches and clubs and stiffer penalties for those whose guilt is proven.

But in general I don't believe that fixed matches will ever be completely eliminated, that's why I think it's better to bet on several matches than on one single match.
Betting on one single match is fine as long as you bet on an important match e.g. final match in international event or top 2 fighters fight for legacy. It's quite impossible if those critical match is scripted because many players or fighters want to achieve something in their career, not just to earn huge amount of money.

But the most important thing is only bet what you can afford to lose.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: LUCKMCFLY on June 11, 2023, 02:33:45 PM
I absolutely agree with you. Fixed matches will continue to happen until there is greater oversight of athletes, coaches and clubs and stiffer penalties for those whose guilt is proven.

But in general I don't believe that fixed matches will ever be completely eliminated, that's why I think it's better to bet on several matches than on one single match.
Since the incentives to cheat will away be there then it is easy to speculate that fixed matches will never disappear, but at least an effort should be made to curb this behavior, I really think that the different sports and leagues around the world are afraid that if they made a real effort to crack down on those cheaters they will find out that a great deal of their teams and players were in it, and they will suffer huge repercussions if this was ever found out by the public.

It is true, no matter how much effort is successful, the trap will always succeed, and it is somewhat sad, it should not exist, personally, I do not think things are here with sports, sports betting should not have any kind of repercussion with sports, but Apparently this has affected football, because here with the simple fact of seeing that the VAR and the arbitration shortlist can have their secrets is something that they fought so that they would not have more access to the audios and what is discussed in the VAR, something that seemed very bad to me and one of the main things so that they can continue doing the tricks.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: Jody.Drummer on June 11, 2023, 04:45:22 PM
I absolutely agree with you. Fixed matches will continue to happen until there is greater oversight of athletes, coaches and clubs and stiffer penalties for those whose guilt is proven.

But in general I don't believe that fixed matches will ever be completely eliminated, that's why I think it's better to bet on several matches than on one single match.
Since the incentives to cheat will away be there then it is easy to speculate that fixed matches will never disappear, but at least an effort should be made to curb this behavior, I really think that the different sports and leagues around the world are afraid that if they made a real effort to crack down on those cheaters they will find out that a great deal of their teams and players were in it, and they will suffer huge repercussions if this was ever found out by the public.

It is true, no matter how much effort is successful, the trap will always succeed, and it is somewhat sad, it should not exist, personally, I do not think things are here with sports, sports betting should not have any kind of repercussion with sports, but Apparently this has affected football, because here with the simple fact of seeing that the VAR and the arbitration shortlist can have their secrets is something that they fought so that they would not have more access to the audios and what is discussed in the VAR, something that seemed very bad to me and one of the main things so that they can continue doing the tricks.

We know that in gambling there will be money, unfortunately the numbers are fantastic, and as we also know money is one of the things that will make something that is impossible possible. Here is how the ingenuity of a bookie or what we often call "mafia" in sports will move. Yes they have a lot of access to influence important people who are closely related to the sport with some money.
Things like this are indeed very difficult to express, because every time they are detected, they will dare to sacrifice people to become scapegoats, and keep their main mastermind safe.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: Josefjix on June 14, 2023, 04:32:42 AM
Betting on one single match is fine as long as you bet on an important match e.g. final match in international event or top 2 fighters fight for legacy. It's quite impossible if those critical match is scripted because many players or fighters want to achieve something in their career, not just to earn huge amount of money.

But the most important thing is only bet what you can afford to lose.
Single games are the best and easiest to predict because one can focus on a single game and always have an 80% probability of winning. Betting is all about being confidence in one's prediction, whether it will result in profits or loses at the end of the game. We have no idea how these the exterior fights will end, which is why it's called a bet, because we have no idea what will happen, but with my betting confidence and accurate prediction, we might come out on top. I always bet what I can afford to lose because I don't want to get into a scenario where I have to bet more than my projected budget.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: Doan9269 on June 14, 2023, 04:42:15 AM
I absolutely agree with you. Fixed matches will continue to happen until there is greater oversight of athletes, coaches and clubs and stiffer penalties for those whose guilt is proven.

But in general I don't believe that fixed matches will ever be completely eliminated, that's why I think it's better to bet on several matches than on one single match.
Betting on one single match is fine as long as you bet on an important match e.g. final match in international event or top 2 fighters fight for legacy. It's quite impossible if those critical match is scripted because many players or fighters want to achieve something in their career, not just to earn huge amount of money.

But the most important thing is only bet what you can afford to lose.

Gambling can be as dynamic as we have been seing in many of the cases whereby you discover that some matches are fix, some are not, but as a gambler, we can decide on the match we want to go for to bet, it perfectly work for some to engaged more than two matches whe gambling because they under the way to run th altogether while some only partake i single match play because that's how and where they can perform best.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: ethereumhunter on June 14, 2023, 08:11:05 AM
Betting on one single match is fine as long as you bet on an important match e.g. final match in international event or top 2 fighters fight for legacy. It's quite impossible if those critical match is scripted because many players or fighters want to achieve something in their career, not just to earn huge amount of money.

But the most important thing is only bet what you can afford to lose.
Single games are the best and easiest to predict because one can focus on a single game and always have an 80% probability of winning. Betting is all about being confidence in one's prediction, whether it will result in profits or loses at the end of the game. We have no idea how these the exterior fights will end, which is why it's called a bet, because we have no idea what will happen, but with my betting confidence and accurate prediction, we might come out on top. I always bet what I can afford to lose because I don't want to get into a scenario where I have to bet more than my projected budget.
By betting on what we can afford to lose, we won't regret it too much if our bet loses because that can happen in gambling. We don't know whether the fight was written or not written in the scenario because the important thing is we know what we are doing and which one we are betting on. And whatever happens with that match, whether written or not, we don't need to think about it and can only enjoy the match and see if our bet wins or loses. We only need to risk what we can afford and forget after we see the results so we don't get too sad if we lose.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: Weawant on June 14, 2023, 09:52:20 AM
There are many cases in sports betting and especially in football, sometimes there is fixing the score in every game so that we can lose because we chose the wrong club with the seed, that's why I'm more interested in sports betting in the big league and never betting on the minor leagues because it usually happens a lot. fraud in it and many people who do business like that.

Also in the big league, there is match fixing but it's not as common as we have in smaller league that isn't getting much attention therefore the officials can decide to do anything they like and won't get punished. In some games you'll notice how poor the players play.

Those type of game always ends in a draw but one of the teams should have been the favorite as they're stronger and more in form than the other team although since they shared point, the both teams don't lose and they're comfortable with the way the match ended.

Match fixing is a problem in sport all over the world and while some are very obvious others are done in a way it'll be very hard to noticed that the game was already fixed to be draw so both teams can shared the point to get an advantage over other teams in the league or tournament.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: danherbias07 on June 14, 2023, 11:52:51 AM
Betting on one single match is fine as long as you bet on an important match e.g. final match in international event or top 2 fighters fight for legacy. It's quite impossible if those critical match is scripted because many players or fighters want to achieve something in their career, not just to earn huge amount of money.

But the most important thing is only bet what you can afford to lose.
Single games are the best and easiest to predict because one can focus on a single game and always have an 80% probability of winning. Betting is all about being confidence in one's prediction, whether it will result in profits or loses at the end of the game. We have no idea how these the exterior fights will end, which is why it's called a bet, because we have no idea what will happen, but with my betting confidence and accurate prediction, we might come out on top. I always bet what I can afford to lose because I don't want to get into a scenario where I have to bet more than my projected budget.
I disagree with the 80% probability. It had always been a 50/50 chance when it comes to sports betting. That's why they put the handicap there to increase the chance to win or lower the handicap if you want some risk involved. Go to 30% and below but with higher profits afterward.

We can just predict but don't know where it will end up. Even with all the analysis we make, at the end of the day, it could always go the other way.
This is why even underdogs have their chances now, and it makes it more inviting to those who like taking high-risk who will favor them in exchange for the jackpot prize.
And because of that, even players put their eyes on the gambling industry if they know they can win the game or shave points to hit their own bet. That's why it is wrong for players to participate in such things. There will be instances when they could control the game in their own favor. It will be unfair to those who put their heart into trying to analyze the game as deep as they could just to increase their winning chances.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: rendravolt on June 14, 2023, 01:40:10 PM
Gambling can be as dynamic as we have been seing in many of the cases whereby you discover that some matches are fix, some are not, but as a gambler, we can decide on the match we want to go for to bet, it perfectly work for some to engaged more than two matches whe gambling because they under the way to run th altogether while some only partake i single match play because that's how and where they can perform best.
This all really depends on how we can place ourselves into bets that are very possible to win and make money. I think this is very reasonable because each bettor has his own betting style to maximize the results obtained and both single bets and multiple bets are still quite safe as long as we can know what we are betting on. Maybe in addition, if single bets allow a higher win ratio then it's better not to do multibet bets because it's quite risky to lose money if we don't do it often.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: dezoel on June 14, 2023, 08:18:11 PM
Also in the big league, there is match fixing but it's not as common as we have in smaller league that isn't getting much attention therefore the officials can decide to do anything they like and won't get punished. In some games you'll notice how poor the players play.

Those type of game always ends in a draw but one of the teams should have been the favorite as they're stronger and more in form than the other team although since they shared point, the both teams don't lose and they're comfortable with the way the match ended.

Match fixing is a problem in sport all over the world and while some are very obvious others are done in a way it'll be very hard to noticed that the game was already fixed to be draw so both teams can shared the point to get an advantage over other teams in the league or tournament.
Well, you are right that it's done almost everywhere, whether it's a small league or big, whether it's done on an international level or in local tournaments, the difference comes only from how it's planned out. People who do it on a bigger scale tend to plan things in a way that no one even suspects that there is something wrong in the match which has actually been fixed, while those doing it on a lower scale don't care much about all that.

That is the reason why fixings that are mostly found and players being accused are from lower levels and those who do it in international leagues and tournaments barely get caught or suspected but easily get away with it and also earn a lot of money.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: lizarder on June 14, 2023, 09:03:07 PM
This topic stems from the suspension of Jameson Williams for 6 games because he violated the gambling policy. I dug a little and found out the reason for the policy. My understanding of this is that there are two sides to sports betting, the gambler's side and then sports contest games. But this is the first time I am reading that sports betting can affect the game negatively and results in reduced public confidence. Does this apply to the NFL only? What about soccer and other sports? Are they exempted? Let's talk about this.
This is often the case in single sports such as boxing and tennis as some can have a negative impact on the game when they find out that a bet was placed on a certain candidate during a match. Despite the fact that not all bets will end like that and even if they are not proven. Usually at the end of the football season there is some sort of deal going on for the teams that have to fight in the relegation zone and they will try to influence the game by getting wins to avoid relegation.

It does not rule out the possibility that this happens in football, although sometimes it cannot be proven to the public and there are many cases that have occurred in the Serie A League, although the method is different from this discussion. But the point is that in every sport there is always the potential for cheating to influence the public and I quite believe that.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: indah rezqi on June 14, 2023, 09:09:21 PM
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This is often the case in single sports such as boxing and tennis as some can have a negative impact on the game when they find out that a bet was placed on a certain candidate during a match. Despite the fact that not all bets will end like that and even if they are not proven. Usually at the end of the football season there is some sort of deal going on for the teams that have to fight in the relegation zone and they will try to influence the game by getting wins to avoid relegation.

It does not rule out the possibility that this happens in football, although sometimes it cannot be proven to the public and there are many cases that have occurred in the Serie A League, although the method is different from this discussion. But the point is that in every sport there is always the potential for cheating to influence the public and I quite believe that.
Cheating in the world of sports is always there, it involves quite a lot of money under the table. It's no exception that football is also dragged into it even if it's the top league in European countries. La Liga and Serie A get the most attention about this cheating, but it can also happen in other top leagues such as the Premier League, Bundesliga and Ligue 1.

In the last year Barcelona in La Liga have been faced with accusations of bribing referees, Manchester City has also been accused of committing an offense which made him have to deal with FFP. But I think a lot of other clubs are also involved but they can pretty much cover up his moves even if they're dirty.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: lizarder on June 15, 2023, 04:33:18 PM
Cheating in the world of sports is always there, it involves quite a lot of money under the table. It's no exception that football is also dragged into it even if it's the top league in European countries. La Liga and Serie A get the most attention about this cheating, but it can also happen in other top leagues such as the Premier League, Bundesliga and Ligue 1.

In the last year Barcelona in La Liga have been faced with accusations of bribing referees, Manchester City has also been accused of committing an offense which made him have to deal with FFP. But I think a lot of other clubs are also involved but they can pretty much cover up his moves even if they're dirty.
Nothing is clean in the world of sport and there is always cheating that is played by people who have influence and money is one medium that can influence this cheating but maybe people are seeing more and more cheating in football in Serie A. Several recent cases in Serie A, La Liga and the Premier League illustrate how many fraudulent games have been exploited in sports by using power, so that we realize that there is no such thing as clean in the world of any sport.

The problem is sometimes when they file an appeal, actually regardless of the problem being accused and we never know whether it's a game or indeed it can't be proven with data. It is not surprising because sports are closely related to gambling which involves a lot of money in it and is able to affect anything for those who have an interest in destroying the existing system.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: LUCKMCFLY on June 25, 2023, 03:36:54 AM
I absolutely agree with you. Fixed matches will continue to happen until there is greater oversight of athletes, coaches and clubs and stiffer penalties for those whose guilt is proven.

But in general I don't believe that fixed matches will ever be completely eliminated, that's why I think it's better to bet on several matches than on one single match.
Since the incentives to cheat will away be there then it is easy to speculate that fixed matches will never disappear, but at least an effort should be made to curb this behavior, I really think that the different sports and leagues around the world are afraid that if they made a real effort to crack down on those cheaters they will find out that a great deal of their teams and players were in it, and they will suffer huge repercussions if this was ever found out by the public.

It is true, no matter how much effort is successful, the trap will always succeed, and it is somewhat sad, it should not exist, personally, I do not think things are here with sports, sports betting should not have any kind of repercussion with sports, but Apparently this has affected football, because here with the simple fact of seeing that the VAR and the arbitration shortlist can have their secrets is something that they fought so that they would not have more access to the audios and what is discussed in the VAR, something that seemed very bad to me and one of the main things so that they can continue doing the tricks.

We know that in gambling there will be money, unfortunately the numbers are fantastic, and as we also know money is one of the things that will make something that is impossible possible. Here is how the ingenuity of a bookie or what we often call "mafia" in sports will move. Yes they have a lot of access to influence important people who are closely related to the sport with some money.
Things like this are indeed very difficult to express, because every time they are detected, they will dare to sacrifice people to become scapegoats, and keep their main mastermind safe.
Well yes, that is where the term that everyone talks about being rigged games comes from, in some cases, in casinos that are physical where their owners manage the machines, it could be said that they have access to many things , and between them they can do that he has Put his machines in his favor, this is not a lie, things can always be Manipulated, now what I like about online casinos is that since they are programmed in the blockchain it can be that audits are constant and that they can occur more ways to make it more legal , that's why I trust crypto casinos, of course the reputable and most reliable casinos.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: len01 on June 25, 2023, 05:11:28 PM
Cheating in the world of sports is always there, it involves quite a lot of money under the table. It's no exception that football is also dragged into it even if it's the top league in European countries. La Liga and Serie A get the most attention about this cheating, but it can also happen in other top leagues such as the Premier League, Bundesliga and Ligue 1.

In the last year Barcelona in La Liga have been faced with accusations of bribing referees, Manchester City has also been accused of committing an offense which made him have to deal with FFP. But I think a lot of other clubs are also involved but they can pretty much cover up his moves even if they're dirty.
well, this does happen frequently and this cheating problem has existed for a long time and will never go away. but I think for champions league and UEL it seems very rare to cheat like this because it is one of the big leagues and any team is hard to cheat.

It seems that in the case of Barcelona and Man City this is just an accusation without any evidence but I don't know if this problem is not seen because there is bribery behind the table.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: slapper on June 25, 2023, 08:51:25 PM
Cheating in the world of sports is always there, it involves quite a lot of money under the table. It's no exception that football is also dragged into it even if it's the top league in European countries. La Liga and Serie A get the most attention about this cheating, but it can also happen in other top leagues such as the Premier League, Bundesliga and Ligue 1.

In the last year Barcelona in La Liga have been faced with accusations of bribing referees, Manchester City has also been accused of committing an offense which made him have to deal with FFP. But I think a lot of other clubs are also involved but they can pretty much cover up his moves even if they're dirty.
Nothing is clean in the world of sport and there is always cheating that is played by people who have influence and money is one medium that can influence this cheating but maybe people are seeing more and more cheating in football in Serie A. Several recent cases in Serie A, La Liga and the Premier League illustrate how many fraudulent games have been exploited in sports by using power, so that we realize that there is no such thing as clean in the world of any sport.

The problem is sometimes when they file an appeal, actually regardless of the problem being accused and we never know whether it's a game or indeed it can't be proven with data. It is not surprising because sports are closely related to gambling which involves a lot of money in it and is able to affect anything for those who have an interest in destroying the existing system.
Truly, the monetary side of sports, especially betting, can usher in fraudulent activities. Yet, let's be cautious not to mix up every dubious decision with conscious dishonesty. The boundary between oversight and manipulation often blurs in high-stakes scenarios.

Let's stand against wrongdoing, while saluting the multitude of sports practitioners who epitomize hard work, talent, and sportsmanship daily.


Title: Re: Another side of Sports betting you may not know about
Post by: LUCKMCFLY on June 27, 2023, 02:26:38 PM
I absolutely agree with you. Fixed matches will continue to happen until there is greater oversight of athletes, coaches and clubs and stiffer penalties for those whose guilt is proven.

But in general I don't believe that fixed matches will ever be completely eliminated, that's why I think it's better to bet on several matches than on one single match.
Since the incentives to cheat will away be there then it is easy to speculate that fixed matches will never disappear, but at least an effort should be made to curb this behavior, I really think that the different sports and leagues around the world are afraid that if they made a real effort to crack down on those cheaters they will find out that a great deal of their teams and players were in it, and they will suffer huge repercussions if this was ever found out by the public.

It is true, no matter how much effort is successful, the trap will always succeed, and it is somewhat sad, it should not exist, personally, I do not think things are here with sports, sports betting should not have any kind of repercussion with sports, but Apparently this has affected football, because here with the simple fact of seeing that the VAR and the arbitration shortlist can have their secrets is something that they fought so that they would not have more access to the audios and what is discussed in the VAR, something that seemed very bad to me and one of the main things so that they can continue doing the tricks.

We know that in gambling there will be money, unfortunately the numbers are fantastic, and as we also know money is one of the things that will make something that is impossible possible. Here is how the ingenuity of a bookie or what we often call "mafia" in sports will move. Yes they have a lot of access to influence important people who are closely related to the sport with some money.
Things like this are indeed very difficult to express, because every time they are detected, they will dare to sacrifice people to become scapegoats, and keep their main mastermind safe.

Yes, and it is quite curious because I have seen cases like this in the movies, but apparently things can happen as they are shown there, I am not one of those who believe that there will always be people behind a referee or a person who is a judge of any sport, because this is something that can influence any area, I don't know about internal casinos, but I think that cheating is not possible, unless a person has or discovers a vulnerability and exploits it whenever they want, that It is something else, when we see this type of case, the casinos usually realize it quickly and correct it, sometimes it causes annoyance for the players because they have played and won, and if they have won and they do not let them withdraw their winnings, that is something that bothers Much more, it usually happens in slots and they make the report, so the supplier of the slots proceeds to correct the error.