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Title: My experience with memorizing seed phrases
Post by: hatshepsut93 on May 13, 2023, 11:52:16 PM
First things first, I have pretty average memory, I don't forget important things too often, but I also can't instantly memorize things to the tiniest details like some gifted people can.

Around 5 years ago I decided to memorize my wallet seeds to have one extra backup method. My main backups are pieces of paper + a flash drive with wallet files.

I memorized all 4 wallet seeds (12 words each) that I have very quickly by rehearsing them from memory and checking with the written down seeds every day. For a long time, maybe 1-2 years I kept discipline and repeated the seeds every day, but eventually I started slipping and forgetting to do it, especially if I was busy with something. This affected my memory, and sometimes I forgot or wasn't sure about parts of a seed (2-4 words) so I had to look at it again and repeat it more often.

Interesting thing about memory, it's easier for me to repeat them in the sequence that I was always repeating (seed 1 -> seed 2 -> seed 3 -> seed 4) than to repeat only one seed that isn't the first. Also I can't repeat the words starting from non-first word or in an order that isn't original. So to me it's more like keeping in memory one big 48-word seed than having 4 seeds of 12 words each.

So in summary, I think memorizing a seed is easier than most people think, and there's no need to come up with songs or rhymes or other stuff, they can probably even make things worse. But in general memory is not reliable, even in long term, so this shouldn't be viewed as a reliable backup. It's just a nice extra layer of backup that doesn't require any complicated setup, and its strongest upside is that it's always with you (until your memory fails).


Title: Re: My experience with memorizing seed phrases
Post by: GreatArkansas on May 14, 2023, 12:01:04 AM
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So in summary, I think memorizing a seed is easier than most people think, and there's no need to come up with songs or rhymes or other stuff, they can probably even make things worse. But in general memory is not reliable, even in long term, so this shouldn't be viewed as a reliable backup. It's just a nice extra layer of backup that doesn't require any complicated setup, and its strongest upside is that it's always with you (until your memory fails).
Another thing also that will help you to memorize your seed phrases is called "mnemonics".

For example, using acronyms, where words or phrases are created using the first letters of several words.

Rhymes also could be helpful but as you said, you don't need it anymore. But this could be also helpful for other people who can easily memorize or recall words by just using rhymes.


Title: Re: My experience with memorizing seed phrases
Post by: Zaguru12 on May 14, 2023, 12:22:17 AM

I memorized all 4 wallet seeds (12 words each) that I have very quickly by rehearsing them from memory and checking with the written down seeds every day. For a long time, maybe 1-2 years I kept discipline and repeated the seeds every day, but eventually I started slipping and forgetting to do it, especially if I was busy with something. This affected my memory, and sometimes I forgot or wasn't sure about parts of a seed (2-4 words) so I had to look at it again and repeat it more often.

This is usually normal in every human it is called the decay theory or interference by medical professionals. Once a thing is memorized and it is not rehearsed regularly then the new informations take proceedings and with the limited ability of the brain to remember everything these old informations are either forgotten totally or mixed. But with constant rehearsals they remain fresh or at top. Also the interference is when similar things happen then this misses up the other and therefore causes one to miss up informations.

There are many people that usually finds it hard to memorize this words no matter how many the duration of time they take to memorize it. So they compose songs on it. The memorizing of seed Pharisees or keys aren’t bad but relying solely on it has the only backup for there storage is what is frowned at


Title: Re: My experience with memorizing seed phrases
Post by: Charles-Tim on May 14, 2023, 12:27:52 AM
It can be a backup, but should not be depended on. We may be normal and nothing happens to us, yet forget some of the words at anytime. That is how the brain works, especially if you think you have known the all words and not checking it again.


Title: Re: My experience with memorizing seed phrases
Post by: Hispo on May 14, 2023, 01:05:54 AM
Seeds are not difficult to memorize, in fact. Memorizing them can be a rather useful way to have an emergency backup in case the paper or steel seed gets lost or destroyed in a natural disaster.

The trick to memorize them is repetition and other techniques to make it easier. If you repeat in your mind the seed at least once a week, it gets more engraved in your memory.

The biggest threat about memorizing seed phrases is that if an attacker is aware of it, they could perform a physical attack on you in anytime or any location they feel to be convenient to extract the information out of you. So keeping the existence of the seed or even the fact one has memorize it is vital, otherwise, some criminal could take their chances and see how much Bitcoin you have got in your brain. :P



Title: Re: My experience with memorizing seed phrases
Post by: Hatchy on May 14, 2023, 01:31:48 AM
This is usually normal in every human it is called the decay theory or interference by medical professionals. Once a thing is memorized and it is not rehearsed regularly then the new informations take proceedings and with the limited ability of the brain to remember everything these old informations are either forgotten totally or mixed. But with constant rehearsals they remain fresh or at top. Also the interference is when similar things happen then this misses up the other and therefore causes one to miss up informations.

There are many people that usually finds it hard to memorize this words no matter how many the duration of time they take to memorize it. So they compose songs on it. The memorizing of seed Pharisees or keys aren’t bad but relying solely on it has the only backup for there storage is what is frowned at


The human brain, retains information a lot more than we can imagine. Storing information in the long term memory, require repeated rehearsals and will also depend on the length of the information you want to store.

For long, it has been advisable to store the seed phrase or any other private keys that have access to your wallets or funds in a safe place or location Like a hardwallet.The brain can be a safe place, but how long do you think it would last? How long can you continue rehearsing?  As time goes on, we tend to be busy with other important things and forget to rehearse.

Memories can be fallible and mistaken if this happens for instance,  and you type in a wrong word in your seed phrase, you may end up loosing your fund permanently.



The idea of composing songs with our seed phrase is not advisable too, it puts out funds at more risk. Let's just believe that everyone can store their seed phrase or keys in a way that best suits them and take full responsibility of any risk that they encounter.


Title: Re: My experience with memorizing seed phrases
Post by: dzungmobile on May 14, 2023, 02:25:55 AM
You remember it because your test it by yourself daily and many times. 4 years means about 1500 days and with 1500 repetitions, I am sure you can remember it very well.

The risk from now is not you forget about those seeds as it is recorded deeply in your memory already and with a condition that you will continue that practice daily. Risk is from accident that might cause to memory loss (of course I don't want it to happen to you, just want to discuss about one risk type). If it is what happens, you are no longer able to control your brain and memory.

Having your memory as one of backup methods is good but should never be your main backup.


Title: Re: My experience with memorizing seed phrases
Post by: hatshepsut93 on May 14, 2023, 02:42:42 AM
You remember it because your test it by yourself daily and many times. 4 years means about 1500 days and with 1500 repetitions, I am sure you can remember it very well.

I stopped doing it daily a long time ago, especially when I stopped looking at Bitcoin price and Bitcoin news all the time. These days I can go weeks without reciting my seed, and I still remember it, but this is dangerous, because if I'll go a few months without refershing my memory, I'll probably forget big chunks of it. That's why memorizing should be viewed as an optional bonus and not a part of overall seed storage.


Title: Re: My experience with memorizing seed phrases
Post by: Poker Player on May 14, 2023, 04:29:38 AM
I don't see the point. Relying on your memory has big risks, and having your memory as a backup plan apart from having the seeds saved in another way has the problem you mentioned:

...because if I'll go a few months without refershing my memory, I'll probably forget big chunks of it. That's why memorizing should be viewed as an optional bonus and not a part of overall seed storage.

Either you have to be constantly refreshing or you will forget at least parts of it, so all the time and effort spent will be for nothing.


Title: Re: My experience with memorizing seed phrases
Post by: Lorence.xD on May 14, 2023, 04:47:54 AM
I don't see the point. Relying on your memory has big risks, and having your memory as a backup plan apart from having the seeds saved in another way has the problem you mentioned:

...because if I'll go a few months without refershing my memory, I'll probably forget big chunks of it. That's why memorizing should be viewed as an optional bonus and not a part of overall seed storage.

Either you have to be constantly refreshing or you will forget at least parts of it, so all the time and effort spent will be for nothing.

It would just help you to be familiarize to your seed phrase but eventually you would forget the main words so you would only think of words sound closer to your seed phrase. I've seen someone wrote song which the seed phrase as lyrics where I think it's possible to remember as long you always sing it. But I agree that its still risky because people doesn't have that storage to store all the memories we experience in life. So always have a backup plan in papers, notes and usb.


Title: Re: My experience with memorizing seed phrases
Post by: Despairo on May 14, 2023, 04:49:19 AM
It's like memorizing your username, email, password and phone number, of course you will still remember the first part even though you're not use it anymore in long time.

The problem to remember your seed phrases through song or rhyme is you will forgot which word is your seed phrase and which word isn't, but I believe remembering a song or rhyme is more easier than directly remember the seed phrase.



Title: Re: My experience with memorizing seed phrases
Post by: SamReomo on May 14, 2023, 05:31:50 AM
I think everyone's memory is a little different and the working mechanism of memory varies form human to human, but in my case I found that even after trying my best to remember anything I will have to listen that thing with the help of audio so I can memorize and remember it for long term.

The audio learning has been working very well for me and trust me I remember the most of the things that I learned with the help of repeated audio listening. For example, suppose if someone is trying to remember the 12 words seed phrase he/she has to record those words in a safe audio device and use earphones to listen to those words everyday. That way the thing will stick in the memory for long term.

I'm not sure about others, but this thing has saved me a lot of time, as with its help I can remember almost everything. But, be careful if you are recording the audio in a device that is connected to the internet than you will still be at risk because that device can be penetrated by hackers. That's why for this purpose I use a smartphone that is unable to connect to internet because of sim/data hardware problem. However, it fulfills my purpose so that's why it's a safe thing for me.


Title: Re: My experience with memorizing seed phrases
Post by: Flexystar on May 14, 2023, 05:40:46 AM
I feel like this is a horrible idea to remember your phrases. I would never depend on my memory even if it is sharper than Albert. The entire wallet depends on it and you never know how much bitcoins you may end up accumulating in it over the period of time.

Do we really need to risk it all with just memory cells and trust them to signal it when we recall it? This is definitely not the way to go with your phrases.

Pen and paper is still classic. It’s up to us how safe we can keep it. If we gonna stress about it’s safety all the time then I am sure we going to make mistake, forget it over the time, lose it with simple mistake and what not.

Better yet have physical copy stored safely in a locker. Have another copy on SSD or PD and then at the end believe on the memory cells. :)


Title: Re: My experience with memorizing seed phrases
Post by: davis196 on May 14, 2023, 05:48:59 AM
In my country, children are forced to memorize poems in elementary school. I still don't know what's the point of this, but who cares. ;D
I've always sucked at memorizing poems. I'm sure that memorizing a poem is way harder than trying to remember 12 words. ;D
I assume that your brain creates logical connections between those particular 12 words of the seed phrase. That's why it's easier to remember the phrase at the particular order and not just 12 random words.
Anyway, I wouldn't waste my time trying to remember the see phrase, because I know that I will always forget a word or two.


Title: Re: My experience with memorizing seed phrases
Post by: yudi09 on May 14, 2023, 05:58:48 AM
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So in summary, I think memorizing a seed is easier than most people think, and there's no need to come up with songs or rhymes or other stuff, they can probably even make things worse. But in general memory is not reliable, even in long term, so this shouldn't be viewed as a reliable backup. It's just a nice extra layer of backup that doesn't require any complicated setup, and its strongest upside is that it's always with you (until your memory fails).
Memorizing seeds can help, but you also don't rely 100% on memorizing seeds without any other place as a location for you to store seeds because most of us know that memory will definitely weaken at some point so that it will be difficult for us to recall word for word seed that has been we memorize.

Just as I can still recall the seed because I have memorized it and it is very helpful when experiencing an emergency situation, but I also save the seed well in another place which makes it easier when I need to see it.


Title: Re: My experience with memorizing seed phrases
Post by: YUriy1991 on May 14, 2023, 06:03:36 AM
So in summary, I think memorizing a seed is easier than most people think, and there's no need to come up with songs or rhymes or other stuff, they can probably even make things worse. But in general memory is not reliable, even in long term, so this shouldn't be viewed as a reliable backup. It's just a nice extra layer of backup that doesn't require any complicated setup, and its strongest upside is that it's always with you (until your memory fails).

I'm of the same opinion because human memory is at different levels although memorizing initial phrases can be a good backup option despite frequent practice but it shouldn't be relied on exclusively. I myself for effective backups especially those related to digital assets I usually keep in the form of notes even though there are other backup methods, such as storing flash drives or others I also do just in case.


Title: Re: My experience with memorizing seed phrases
Post by: Kryptowerk on May 14, 2023, 06:18:59 AM
First things first, I have pretty average memory, I don't forget important things too often, but I also can't instantly memorize things to the tiniest details like some gifted people can.

Around 5 years ago I decided to memorize my wallet seeds to have one extra backup method. My main backups are pieces of paper + a flash drive with wallet files.

I memorized all 4 wallet seeds (12 words each) that I have very quickly by rehearsing them from memory and checking with the written down seeds every day. For a long time, maybe 1-2 years I kept discipline and repeated the seeds every day, but eventually I started slipping and forgetting to do it, especially if I was busy with something. This affected my memory, and sometimes I forgot or wasn't sure about parts of a seed (2-4 words) so I had to look at it again and repeat it more often.

Interesting thing about memory, it's easier for me to repeat them in the sequence that I was always repeating (seed 1 -> seed 2 -> seed 3 -> seed 4) than to repeat only one seed that isn't the first. Also I can't repeat the words starting from non-first word or in an order that isn't original. So to me it's more like keeping in memory one big 48-word seed than having 4 seeds of 12 words each.

So in summary, I think memorizing a seed is easier than most people think, and there's no need to come up with songs or rhymes or other stuff, they can probably even make things worse. But in general memory is not reliable, even in long term, so this shouldn't be viewed as a reliable backup. It's just a nice extra layer of backup that doesn't require any complicated setup, and its strongest upside is that it's always with you (until your memory fails).

Interesting topic. There is a lot of science based data on how to ideally memorize things, it's a multi-layered topic which for the best effect includes a combination of several methods.
I wrote some of this down a while ago, let me check and maybe I can post some info on it here.
One of these concepts is ORDER, so it makes total sense it was easier to remember all 4 phrases instead of one from the middle of the pack.

Regarding memorized seeds: Totally agree, don't solely rely on it - instead, if you can, use it as an additional way of "storing" your seed phrase.
The only viable method to solely rely on it would be short to medium term - for example to get funds out of an oppressive country without any hardware/solid (paper etc) evidence.


Title: Re: My experience with memorizing seed phrases
Post by: glendall on May 14, 2023, 07:50:19 AM
I have tried your way by memorizing 1-3 seeds in each memorization, it took me 2 years to be able to memorize my main wallet, but maybe because I think too much my memory sometimes forgets 1-2 seeds so I have to re-memorize, in this case memorizing seeds it must be repeated and tried if you only memorize one moment you will forget


Title: Re: My experience with memorizing seed phrases
Post by: kryptqnick on May 14, 2023, 08:01:32 AM
I suppose it depends on one's memory and dedication. My short-term memory is pretty good and accurate, but that's just for some very temporary things. Seeds require using long-term memory, obviously, and I'm not good at particular details over the years. I know the gist very well, I remember a lot of things from my area of research in general, even if I haven't done anything with it for a few years. But I can't remember exact phrases, it's just hard for me to keep such details in mind. I don't trust my memory with this, and I know it will bother me like an additional thing I have to worry about and dedicate time to. So I agree memory isn't reliable, and I think that since I surely won't trust myself to keep the seed phrase in my memory only, I don't want to bother with working on such a backup.


Title: Re: My experience with memorizing seed phrases
Post by: Crypt0Gore on May 14, 2023, 09:22:15 AM
How do you do it? This is impossible for now lol because I have too many things to memorize, my phone numbers, my car plate number, my accounts number and so on, having too mamy things memorized will interfere if you take some time off and focus on other things, it's very easier to mess everything up, there is no better solution with seed phrases than to write them down.

Sometimes, fate can make things happen to you, like an accident or memory losses, this happens to so many people and it's not as if they prayed for such, it just happened out of the blue, I am not saying such will happen to you but we humans, sleeping and waking up everyday is a risk.


Title: Re: My experience with memorizing seed phrases
Post by: ItsCrafty on May 14, 2023, 10:07:51 AM
I think memorizing a seed is easier than most people think, and there's no need to come up with songs or rhymes or other stuff, they can probably even make things worse. But in general memory is not reliable, even in long term, so this shouldn't be viewed as a reliable backup. It's just a nice extra layer of backup that doesn't require any complicated setup, and its strongest upside is that it's always with you (until your memory fails).

I think you can memorized your wallet seeds  this way too but this method cannot be adopted permanently,because with time our mental capacity weakens.This method may be very easy for you but for all people this method is not so easy.Not all people are mentally sharp enough to remember two or three wallet seeds along with the rest of their tasks.There are a lot of risks involved in this method because if you forget a single seed, you can lose your entire wallet.

According to my opinion, the seeds of your wallets should always be written on a paper and saved.Even if a seed comes out of your mind, you will not have any problem.I write down the seeds of my wallets on paper and get help from it when needed.This method is very easy for me.



Title: Re: My experience with memorizing seed phrases
Post by: Smartprofit on May 14, 2023, 10:32:09 AM
There is an excellent method for memorizing various textual information, which is shown in detail in the Sherlock Holmes series. 

This method is called Mind Halls. 

How can this be used to remember the seed phrase for a bitcoin wallet?  You create in your imagination a virtual room in which various objects lie.  Each such item corresponds to one word from the original phrase.  You can periodically walk through your Mind Halls - take these objects in your hands, examine them, touch them, smell them. 

As a result, in the future, you will always be able to mentally visit your Mind Halls and retrieve all the necessary information.  This is the best way to remember secret information.


Title: Re: My experience with memorizing seed phrases
Post by: Z-tight on May 14, 2023, 10:41:13 AM
Memorizing your seed phrase is not recommended, even if you have a good or average memory; do not use this method to store your seed phrase, there are many ways people think they can store their seed phrase, but the most recommended is just to write in on a paper and have two backups in different locations, many other methods are not recommended and even if they work for a short time, they cannot be reliable in the long run.

Your memory may be good, but what if you are hit with a stroke or any other brain disease; what if you get involved in an accident and sustain serious head injury which affects your memory, do not memorize your seed phrase, and don't even make it an additional backup, there are better recommended ways to do that, like engraving your seed phrase in a stainless steel as an additional backup to paper, etc.


Title: Re: My experience with memorizing seed phrases
Post by: Etranger on May 14, 2023, 11:05:11 AM
But in general memory is not reliable, even in long term, so this shouldn't be viewed as a reliable backup. It's just a nice extra layer of backup that doesn't require any complicated setup, and its strongest upside is that it's always with you (until your memory fails).

I myself on the contrary think that memory is a perfect way to secure your assets. Seed phrase written somewhere on a piece of paper is good, of course, especially in several copies, but it also becomes vulnerable spot, because it can be lost or stolen or destroyed or even faked by someone. In contrast to this memorising your secret phrase is more reliable, because your memory a storage where no one can ever get into. If you make sure you remembered the seed phrase correctly, which is not so difficult, as you said, than you will receive a much more reliable source of storage for their assets.


Title: Re: My experience with memorizing seed phrases
Post by: posi on May 14, 2023, 11:55:25 AM
I think memorizing a seed is easier than most people think, and there's no need to come up with songs or rhymes or other stuff, they can probably even make things worse. But in general memory is not reliable, even in long term, so this shouldn't be viewed as a reliable backup. It's just a nice extra layer of backup that doesn't require any complicated setup, and its strongest upside is that it's always with you (until your memory fails).

I think you can memorized your wallet seeds  this way too but this method cannot be adopted permanently,because with time our mental capacity weakens.This method may be very easy for you but for all people this method is not so easy.Not all people are mentally sharp enough to remember two or three wallet seeds along with the rest of their tasks.There are a lot of risks involved in this method because if you forget a single seed, you can lose your entire wallet.

According to my opinion, the seeds of your wallets should always be written on a paper and saved.Even if a seed comes out of your mind, you will not have any problem.I write down the seeds of my wallets on paper and get help from it when needed.This method is very easy for me.



Indeed, even with my own phone number, I am forgetful, so memorizing the seed phrase is a challenge not everyone can do. They are not too difficult to memorize, but remembering for a long time is not easy because our brains are not only used to memorize seed phrases. I see no safer and more convenient way than to write it down on paper and keep it where we think it is safest. In addition, do not forget to share it with the person we trust the most, in case we encounter unfortunate incidents.


Title: Re: My experience with memorizing seed phrases
Post by: traderethereum on May 14, 2023, 02:06:02 PM
Good job. Not many people can memorize their seed like you and do what you did.
But I am sure everyone with a bitcoin wallet will do something to protect their seed.
I prefer to make a file and save it on HDD or flash disk, write the seed in the paper, and keep it in a safe place.
But we can not depend on our memory for a long time because when we get old, our memory can be lost and we can not recover it.
We need to make a backup for the seed so that if something happens with one thing, we still have the other things to recover the wallet.


Title: Re: My experience with memorizing seed phrases
Post by: demonica on May 14, 2023, 02:25:15 PM
To be honest, I never thought of memorizing my seedphrases cause I'll eventually forgot about it when I would stop trying to remember it. Just like what happened to you. You can remember it because you recite it on your head everyday but once you stopped doing that, you'll start forgetting about it again. And I wouldn't bother to memorize it since I have quite a few wallets so it'll be hard... It's amazing that you really exert an effort trying to memorize it cause I just rely on saving it.
There are things that when you memorized them, they'll stay in your memory even without thinking about it everyday. Like your phone number, birthdays, and such. They are important, and so does the seedphrase however, I don't think I still can memorize them by heart. Good for you though!


Title: Re: My experience with memorizing seed phrases
Post by: Mame89 on May 14, 2023, 02:38:57 PM
Memorizing seed phrases can be a backup that both senses are a little difficult to sustain for the next few years, relying on memorization alone is not enough, because the human brain can forget and experience errors. I don't think this is a very good idea for me personally, especially since I don't have time to memorize it every day with complicated random words (seed phrases).

It is true that information security is very important, especially in this digital era where cybercrimes are increasing. But choosing a storage method by rote (seed phrase) I think is not feasible for me to implement. there are still many other storages that are better and of course that can be relied on.

Of course I applaud your efforts to memorize seed phrases as your second backup, not everyone is able to memorize them well and recall them.


Title: Re: My experience with memorizing seed phrases
Post by: ololajulo on May 14, 2023, 02:48:55 PM
There's a well-known saying that a dull pencil is mightier than the sharpest mind. It highlights the importance of writing down ideas even if one is confident in their memory. Additionally, certain health conditions can adversely impact one's memory. Unless you commit to using a seed phrase every day for the remainder of your life, it's doubtful that you'll be able to keep the memory completely fresh for life.


Title: Re: My experience with memorizing seed phrases
Post by: Agbe on May 14, 2023, 03:05:38 PM
You were memorizing your seed phrase. Op you were just disturbing the brain for nothing. That means you can memorize your wallet address too. Funny you. I could remember last when I memorized five (5) pages of a book and that was in my primary school days (elementary school). And the English teacher was forcing us to read and memorized the English Reader Text Book. Even at that we could not memorized the book, it was only a fraction of a page we could memorized. What am I trying to say is that, to memorize a very long words is not easy. Late last year 2022 I was trying to memorize my seed phrase but I could not so I just leave the idea of doing that and just saved it in paper and flashdrive also also my PC and others.
Though there are some blessed memories in the world that can capture things easily and for a very long period. Some people have long term memory while some short term memory.


Title: Re: My experience with memorizing seed phrases
Post by: PX-Z on May 14, 2023, 03:18:17 PM
Memorizing these 24 words are the last thing i will do in my crypto-related stuffs, tbh. And that's the worst thing i can suggest to anyone to keep someone's keys for it to be safe because it is not. With a lot i think everyday as an adult to keep that memory in order is impossible. I will recommend to write it instead. Although, yes there are some gifted out there to do that  but i still wont it recommend to anyone.


Title: Re: My experience with memorizing seed phrases
Post by: Stable090 on May 14, 2023, 03:30:25 PM
Around 5 years ago I decided to memorize my wallet seeds to have one extra backup method. My main backups are pieces of paper + a flash drive with wallet files.
Backing up your private in a paper is nice idea, but we know paper can be easily destroyed, your kids can easily play with the paper and it will be destroyed, and if you secure your seed phrase in a flash drive, I believe it can easily get corrupt. It’s better you just carve your seed phrase on a steel, we all know it will be very difficult for steel to be destroyed. Incase if you think you can lost your steel, then you can carve it on multiple steels and hide it in different locations.

So in summary, I think memorizing a seed is easier than most people think, and there's no need to come up with songs or rhymes or other stuff, they can probably even make things worse. But in general memory is not reliable, even in long term, so this shouldn't be viewed as a reliable backup. It's just a nice extra layer of backup that doesn't require any complicated setup, and its strongest upside is that it's always with you (until your memory fails).
I just find it funny whenever I see people memorizing seed phrase, the only question I keep on asking myself is what if I wake up in a day and miss up everything, those that mean that all the coin in the wallet is gone, I don’t believe in memorizing your private key, the more we get old, the more we keep on losing our memories, we will forget things easily, then time will come you won’t be able to remember your seed phrase anymore and everything in the wallet is gone.


Title: Re: My experience with memorizing seed phrases
Post by: aoluain on May 14, 2023, 03:35:49 PM
How do you do it? This is impossible for now lol because I have too many things to memorize, my phone numbers, my car plate number, my accounts number and so on, having too mamy things memorized will interfere if you take some time off and focus on other things, it's very easier to mess everything up, there is no better solution with seed phrases than to write them down.

Sometimes, fate can make things happen to you, like an accident or memory losses, this happens to so many people and it's not as if they prayed for such, it just happened out of the blue, I am not saying such will happen to you but we humans, sleeping and waking up everyday is a risk.

Kts possible for sure to remember as much as you want, some people are better than
others and regular use/exercise is important/necessary.

Repetition, repetition, repetition as Zaguru12 points out and this is only an extra
backup, not the only way to store seed phrases.

I have never tried this although I have thought about, it cannot be that hard?
its just 12 words per wallet. There are people who can remember the players
for their winning world cup team of 2, 3 or 4 tournaments ago. If you prioritise memorising
and reciting the words it shouldnt be a problem.


Title: Re: My experience with memorizing seed phrases
Post by: bittraffic on May 14, 2023, 03:46:07 PM

Unfortunately, you may forget it especially if you are not rehearsing it every now and then. It is still safer for you to just keep a file in your safe drive in case you forget. You don't know when you gonna bump your head along the way home.

The only reason why I might just memorize a seed is probably if I cross the border and do not want the police to find a piece of paper in me. Memorizing the seed makes sense after all I am crossing a huge amount of money in BTC unlike having $10K which is really suspicious.


Title: Re: My experience with memorizing seed phrases
Post by: entebah on May 14, 2023, 03:52:29 PM
Around 5 years ago I decided to memorize my wallet seeds to have one extra backup method. My main backups are pieces of paper + a flash drive with wallet files.

So did you memorize your seed phrase for over 5 years already?
I even try to memorize my seed phrase for a week but sadly i already forget the words just in 2 days, so for me this option will make me lose my coins and i usually just put the seed words in my flashdisk or just print the words and put it in safe box.


Title: Re: My experience with memorizing seed phrases
Post by: serveria.com on May 14, 2023, 05:00:44 PM
First things first, I have pretty average memory, I don't forget important things too often, but I also can't instantly memorize things to the tiniest details like some gifted people can.

Around 5 years ago I decided to memorize my wallet seeds to have one extra backup method. My main backups are pieces of paper + a flash drive with wallet files.

I memorized all 4 wallet seeds (12 words each) that I have very quickly by rehearsing them from memory and checking with the written down seeds every day. For a long time, maybe 1-2 years I kept discipline and repeated the seeds every day, but eventually I started slipping and forgetting to do it, especially if I was busy with something. This affected my memory, and sometimes I forgot or wasn't sure about parts of a seed (2-4 words) so I had to look at it again and repeat it more often.

Interesting thing about memory, it's easier for me to repeat them in the sequence that I was always repeating (seed 1 -> seed 2 -> seed 3 -> seed 4) than to repeat only one seed that isn't the first. Also I can't repeat the words starting from non-first word or in an order that isn't original. So to me it's more like keeping in memory one big 48-word seed than having 4 seeds of 12 words each.

So in summary, I think memorizing a seed is easier than most people think, and there's no need to come up with songs or rhymes or other stuff, they can probably even make things worse. But in general memory is not reliable, even in long term, so this shouldn't be viewed as a reliable backup. It's just a nice extra layer of backup that doesn't require any complicated setup, and its strongest upside is that it's always with you (until your memory fails).

Wow I never knew one could memorize the entire 4 wallet seeds. That's impressive. But then again, the effort you have put into this is incredible. I wouldn't manage to rehearse the seed words every day for several years. The only downside - you now know the seed, you keep it in your brain so in case you will be say kidnapped and tortured ($5 wrench attack) there's a possibility you'll give it out to the bad guys.


Title: Re: My experience with memorizing seed phrases
Post by: Z-tight on May 14, 2023, 07:19:54 PM
The only downside - you now know the seed, you keep it in your brain so in case you will be say kidnapped and tortured ($5 wrench attack) there's a possibility you'll give it out to the bad guys.
That is not the downside of storing your seed phrase in your memory, if you are kidnapped or a victim of a $5 dollar wrench attack, your attackers will surely not know that you have your seed phrase stored in your head, the downside of this is forgetting your seed phrase or the correct sequence, there's also the risk of brain disease or head injury.
i usually just put the seed words in my wallet or just print the words and put it in safe box.
How do you put your seed phrase in your wallet, it is your wallet that generates your seed phrase and also has it stored in the software, but you are to make additional backups of your seed phrase and store it in a very secure location. Ensure there is not a single point of failure as you store your seed phrase, so have it in two different locations.


Title: Re: My experience with memorizing seed phrases
Post by: Adbitco on May 14, 2023, 07:25:51 PM
What we need is time to create out chance in memorizing seed phrase maybe it could be more easier for a single man or lady with no family load or problems surrounding them. Lest say instance as a worker who goes in and out every morning and night may not have this spare time to face his seed phrase to memorized them, the last time i tried doing that only just a cry of our baby i was distracted and i couldn't able to further with what i was doing. I tried so hard but finally what came into my mind was to back it up several place that is not being accessed by anyone apart from me alone. This is the hardest thing to do and can easily be distracted whenever you couldn't be able to follow them in sequence as its originally created, that is the most problem we have with trying store something very important in our upstairs.


Title: Re: My experience with memorizing seed phrases
Post by: entebah on May 14, 2023, 07:57:35 PM
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i usually just put the seed words in my wallet or just print the words and put it in safe box.
How do you put your seed phrase in your wallet, it is your wallet that generates your seed phrase and also has it stored in the software, but you are to make additional backups of your seed phrase and store it in a very secure location. Ensure there is not a single point of failure as you store your seed phrase, so have it in two different locations.

I.means in my hard disk/flashdisk not physical wallet, just like you said i make sure to put my seed phrase on 3 different location first on my hard disk, flashdisk and print the seed phrase then put it on my safety box.


Title: Re: My experience with memorizing seed phrases
Post by: Synchronice on May 14, 2023, 08:08:42 PM
First things first, I have pretty average memory, I don't forget important things too often, but I also can't instantly memorize things to the tiniest details like some gifted people can.

Around 5 years ago I decided to memorize my wallet seeds to have one extra backup method. My main backups are pieces of paper + a flash drive with wallet files.

I memorized all 4 wallet seeds (12 words each) that I have very quickly by rehearsing them from memory and checking with the written down seeds every day. For a long time, maybe 1-2 years I kept discipline and repeated the seeds every day, but eventually I started slipping and forgetting to do it, especially if I was busy with something. This affected my memory, and sometimes I forgot or wasn't sure about parts of a seed (2-4 words) so I had to look at it again and repeat it more often.

Interesting thing about memory, it's easier for me to repeat them in the sequence that I was always repeating (seed 1 -> seed 2 -> seed 3 -> seed 4) than to repeat only one seed that isn't the first. Also I can't repeat the words starting from non-first word or in an order that isn't original. So to me it's more like keeping in memory one big 48-word seed than having 4 seeds of 12 words each.

So in summary, I think memorizing a seed is easier than most people think, and there's no need to come up with songs or rhymes or other stuff, they can probably even make things worse. But in general memory is not reliable, even in long term, so this shouldn't be viewed as a reliable backup. It's just a nice extra layer of backup that doesn't require any complicated setup, and its strongest upside is that it's always with you (until your memory fails).
This is something I frequently talk about, memorizing of seed phrases to my mind is the best deal out there but there are a lot of people who disagree with me and say that many people can't remember 12 words seed phrase or they'll forget it. But if one memorizes those words every day for months, he will succeed. I think it offers the ultimate security in sense of you don't need to write down seed phrases somewhere and you don't have to worry about where to save it or who will find it, it's sealed in your brain. But I feel a little bit strange about your case. If you try to simultaneously remember 4 seeds of 12 words, you'll fail. Over 2-4 years, you will succeed but just why do you need 4 wallet? Narrow your focus, it's better for you, you can't handle that much.


Title: Re: My experience with memorizing seed phrases
Post by: BitDane on May 14, 2023, 09:18:41 PM
Interesting thing about memory, it's easier for me to repeat them in the sequence that I was always repeating (seed 1 -> seed 2 -> seed 3 -> seed 4) than to repeat only one seed that isn't the first. Also I can't repeat the words starting from non-first word or in an order that isn't original. So to me it's more like keeping in memory one big 48-word seed than having 4 seeds of 12 words each.

This is because our brain can easily recognize patterns.  The way the seedphrase is memorized and practiced, our brain conceive it as a pattern so when we try to make it in random, the pattern in our brain is broken thus we have hard time remembering the next word.

So in summary, I think memorizing a seed is easier than most people think, and there's no need to come up with songs or rhymes or other stuff, they can probably even make things worse. But in general memory is not reliable, even in long term, so this shouldn't be viewed as a reliable backup. It's just a nice extra layer of backup that doesn't require any complicated setup, and its strongest upside is that it's always with you (until your memory fails).

I agree, if our brain develop a pattern on the seed pharse it is much easier to remember because it all needs is the initial string and the next will automatically follow.  But obviously people brain has limit.  Memorizing is good for those who have high retentivity but bad to those who are not.  There are also cases where the brains deteriorates and start forgetting things.  This is disastrous to those who rely on their memories for important things.  So to be sure about not forgetting things, a more reliable back up is needed.


Title: Re: My experience with memorizing seed phrases
Post by: Yatsan on May 14, 2023, 09:37:38 PM
It can be put in memory indeed by memorizing. I do get the idea which is to avoid writing it up on a piece of paper and minimizing the risk of other people getting access into it but still, I'd suggest having a physical copy of it even in code, just to be sure 'coz human mind is limited and there will always be that risk of forgetting things out of some uncontrollable reason. Another factor I guess is that, not all investors here are logging out their wallet in their device which makes sense to say that not all investors are accessing their funds with the use of seed phrase. Given that it won't or is not in a daily routine, then that supports the idea of eventually forgetting.


Title: Re: My experience with memorizing seed phrases
Post by: hatshepsut93 on May 14, 2023, 11:40:01 PM
Wow I never knew one could memorize the entire 4 wallet seeds. That's impressive. But then again, the effort you have put into this is incredible. I wouldn't manage to rehearse the seed words every day for several years. The only downside - you now know the seed, you keep it in your brain so in case you will be say kidnapped and tortured ($5 wrench attack) there's a possibility you'll give it out to the bad guys.

If a kidnapping happens, the attackers will likely get what they want anyway. Plus they have to know what to look for, and keeping seed in memory is pretty uncommon.

The best way to deal with kidnapping is to keep low profile and have good physical security. There is no storage method that is immune from such attack.


Title: Re: My experience with memorizing seed phrases
Post by: dzungmobile on May 15, 2023, 05:46:13 AM
I stopped doing it daily a long time ago, especially when I stopped looking at Bitcoin price and Bitcoin news all the time. These days I can go weeks without reciting my seed, and I still remember it, but this is dangerous, because if I'll go a few months without refershing my memory, I'll probably forget big chunks of it. That's why memorizing should be viewed as an optional bonus and not a part of overall seed storage.
Your thinking about risk is true.

Our memory will become less effective if we stop practicing for a while. As normal people, with normal brains, we are not like genius guys so we will lose our memory if we don't touch it after a few weeks or months.

It must be warned with accidents like I discussed as well.

Another Bitcointalk member uses his brain to remember seeds.
  • Bitcoiners with Alzheimer's. How do you work it out? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5439600.msg61751848#msg61751848)


Title: Re: My experience with memorizing seed phrases
Post by: Smack That Ace on May 15, 2023, 06:09:39 AM
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This is something I frequently talk about, memorizing of seed phrases to my mind is the best deal out there but there are a lot of people who disagree with me and say that many people can't remember 12 words seed phrase or they'll forget it. But if one memorizes those words every day for months, he will succeed. I think it offers the ultimate security in sense of you don't need to write down seed phrases somewhere and you don't have to worry about where to save it or who will find it, it's sealed in your brain. But I feel a little bit strange about your case. If you try to simultaneously remember 4 seeds of 12 words, you'll fail. Over 2-4 years, you will succeed but just why do you need 4 wallet? Narrow your focus, it's better for you, you can't handle that much.

Memorizing phrases with our brain is really convenient for us because we will have access to our bitcoins anytime and anywhere when we need them, and we don't have to think about finding a safe place to store phrases. But to say that it is the method that brings maximum safety is not necessarily correct. You have not considered the cases when the unexpected happens to you, many accidents cause you to lose your memory temporarily, and that is the limit when it comes to using your brain to remember. There is no single method that is absolutely safe, and that is why there are many methods or products created to provide an alternative. I have no problem using my brain to memorize phrases, but we still make another backup for ourselves.


Title: Re: My experience with memorizing seed phrases
Post by: Mpamaegbu on May 15, 2023, 08:05:44 AM
but eventually I started slipping and forgetting to do it, especially if I was busy with something.
It was obvious you had enough idle time then and that was why you could attempt it. Otherwise, I would think it's a fruitless venture trying to memorize seed phrases. I hardly take note of what constitutes my seed phrases once I've them written out on paper. I'm not that paranoid about stuff like that because I believe one can't be too careful in life. I've seen those who guarded theirs meticulously but still misplaced them or got hacked.

What we need is time to create out chance in memorizing seed phrase maybe it could be more easier for a single man or lady with no family load or problems surrounding them.
Now, you speak from experience! You didn't lie on this. Family distractions are even enough to  discourage one from going into another unsolicited brain tasking adventure in the first place when paper work can easily save the day.


Title: Re: My experience with memorizing seed phrases
Post by: boyptc on May 15, 2023, 08:18:15 AM
IIRC, someone has already suggested this in the forum and that was like a year or two ago. I can't really remember but I have seen it here.

I wouldn't do it and that's why I admire those that have a great brain and memory that can do such but still, do some backups as you'll never know what will happen tomorrow if you'll get knocked or what but hopefully, nothing fatal will happen to those people that does this.

As I get older, my memory is becoming weaker so this option is a no for me but those that can really do it, don't forget to strengthen your memory through eating foods that benefits your brain with.


Title: Re: My experience with memorizing seed phrases
Post by: Adbitco on May 15, 2023, 08:53:53 AM
What we need is time to create out chance in memorizing seed phrase maybe it could be more easier for a single man or lady with no family load or problems surrounding them.
Now, you speak from experience! You didn't lie on this. Family distractions are even enough to  discourage one from going into another unsolicited brain tasking adventure in the first place when paper work can easily save the day.

Although there are some people who had family but can still devote out time to memorize seed phrase, meaning if they're not that attached with their families or possibly they live elsewhere without having pressure from their children they can still do that but isn't that encouraging for one to memorize anything up there because whatever that affects the brain all the stress may turned out to be worthless.


Title: Re: My experience with memorizing seed phrases
Post by: LastKiss on May 15, 2023, 09:03:03 AM
~snip~

So in summary, I think memorizing a seed is easier than most people think, and there's no need to come up with songs or rhymes or other stuff, they can probably even make things worse. But in general memory is not reliable, even in long term, so this shouldn't be viewed as a reliable backup. It's just a nice extra layer of backup that doesn't require any complicated setup, and its strongest upside is that it's always with you (until your memory fails).

Never thought to memorize seed phrases wallet since it's really random so it's hard for me to remember, usually, I save my wallet seed phrases on a flash disk or saving as an image and I put them somewhere safe. Since my memory is not good when trying to memorize random and I rarely use my wallet since I hold it for the long term I will easily forget my seed phrases in the future.


Title: Re: My experience with memorizing seed phrases
Post by: Mpamaegbu on May 15, 2023, 11:57:45 AM
~snipped~
Although there are some people who had family but can still devote out time to memorize seed phrase, meaning if they're not that attached with their families or possibly they live elsewhere without having pressure from their children they can still do that but isn't that encouraging for one to memorize anything up there because whatever that affects the brain all the stress may turned out to be worthless.
I know we're just making discussions around family life, away from the kernel of discussion, I had to put that hypothetical area of your comment in bold to highlight something. The point of my concern there is this – married people with children still get burdened by parental responsibility whether their children are physically present with them or not. Only those who aren't responsible see their absence from their children as relief. Family life isn't piece meal. However, I still reason with the perspective you've shared.


Title: Re: My experience with memorizing seed phrases
Post by: sokani on May 15, 2023, 06:46:56 PM
So in summary, I think memorizing a seed is easier than most people think, and there's no need to come up with songs or rhymes or other stuff, they can probably even make things worse. But in general memory is not reliable, even in long term, so this shouldn't be viewed as a reliable backup. It's just a nice extra layer of backup that doesn't require any complicated setup, and its strongest upside is that it's always with you (until your memory fails).
I totally agree with what Charles-Tim said, one shouldn't rely on the human brain to store our seed phrase but rather it should be used as a back up method. You would agree with me that not everyone have the same comprehensive and retentive abilities like you, some persons are slow in assimilation and retention. Moreover, there are instances where the memory may fail someone like the the case of amnesia (loss of memory), so I wouldn't advise anyone to memorize his/her seed phrase.


Title: Re: My experience with memorizing seed phrases
Post by: Fivestar4everMVP on May 15, 2023, 06:59:26 PM
It's just a nice extra layer of backup that doesn't require any complicated setup, and its strongest upside is that it's always with you (until your memory fails).
Thank you very much, but I would still prefer to stick to the traditional way of storing my seed phrase than try to memorize it, I have a pretty good memory that if I decide to memorize my seed phrase, I definitely can, but the problem is, I have too many wallets, and even though I could possibly memorize all of their seed phrases which would take a long time anyway, keeping in memory, the seed which belongs to which wallet can become really hard, most especially, when I eventually stopped looking at the piece of paper and set my memory to other important stuffs, so for this reason, I would never bother myself trying to memorize my seed phrase, I will just keep writing them down.


Title: Re: My experience with memorizing seed phrases
Post by: Franctoshi on May 15, 2023, 07:31:36 PM
Nice try, This must have been a very difficult stuff to start at the beginning and you must have faced challenges missing up the seed phrases with other at some point. But 1-2 years period is a very long time for me to capture it all, if I'm able to pay attention to this every day for 6 months, I think I will get it done.
I will try this very approach in order to see if will be able to get it stored right in my memory. I have tried several times in the past to see if memorizing my seed phrase will be something possible but have felt reluntant at some point due to my head is filled reasoning a lot of stuffs.But this post has really inspired me to give it a try once again.


Title: Re: My experience with memorizing seed phrases
Post by: The Cryptovator on May 15, 2023, 08:15:41 PM
Since childhood, I have struggled with memorization, whether it be poems or any other information. Instead of relying on memory, I often grasp the theme and answer questions based on my own understanding. Consequently, memorizing a wallet seed phrase is undoubtedly challenging for me, though not entirely impossible. However, I am uncertain of the amount of time it would require, as my memory does not readily retain information.


Title: Re: My experience with memorizing seed phrases
Post by: panganib999 on May 15, 2023, 08:26:02 PM
First things first, I have pretty average memory, I don't forget important things too often, but I also can't instantly memorize things to the tiniest details like some gifted people can.

Around 5 years ago I decided to memorize my wallet seeds to have one extra backup method. My main backups are pieces of paper + a flash drive with wallet files.

I memorized all 4 wallet seeds (12 words each) that I have very quickly by rehearsing them from memory and checking with the written down seeds every day. For a long time, maybe 1-2 years I kept discipline and repeated the seeds every day, but eventually I started slipping and forgetting to do it, especially if I was busy with something. This affected my memory, and sometimes I forgot or wasn't sure about parts of a seed (2-4 words) so I had to look at it again and repeat it more often.

Interesting thing about memory, it's easier for me to repeat them in the sequence that I was always repeating (seed 1 -> seed 2 -> seed 3 -> seed 4) than to repeat only one seed that isn't the first. Also I can't repeat the words starting from non-first word or in an order that isn't original. So to me it's more like keeping in memory one big 48-word seed than having 4 seeds of 12 words each.

So in summary, I think memorizing a seed is easier than most people think, and there's no need to come up with songs or rhymes or other stuff, they can probably even make things worse. But in general memory is not reliable, even in long term, so this shouldn't be viewed as a reliable backup. It's just a nice extra layer of backup that doesn't require any complicated setup, and its strongest upside is that it's always with you (until your memory fails).
Neuroplasticity basically. If you keep firing up the same nerve connection (which in this case is memorizing the same 4 seed phrases again and again over extended periods of time), you'd find that it gets easier every time. Plus there are patterns and tricks you should employ whenever you are memorizing something. You just did one of them. Congratulations! I personally wouldn't bother doing that because I have a lot of electronics in my person every second of my waking life. Electronics that I can use to put notes at and ensure that even if I forget it, as long as I have it with me I'm not gonna lose my assets. I feel like that's a much better plan and more foolproof too, but hey, no shame in memorizing stuff, that's even applaudable if I do say so myself.


Title: Re: My experience with memorizing seed phrases
Post by: AmoreJaz on May 15, 2023, 08:33:53 PM
Nice try, This must have been a very difficult stuff to start at the beginning and you must have faced challenges missing up the seed phrases with other at some point. But 1-2 years period is a very long time for me to capture it all, if I'm able to pay attention to this every day for 6 months, I think I will get it done.
I will try this very approach in order to see if will be able to get it stored right in my memory. I have tried several times in the past to see if memorizing my seed phrase will be something possible but have felt reluntant at some point due to my head is filled reasoning a lot of stuffs.But this post has really inspired me to give it a try once again.

it is quite risky if you will rely on your memory to story your seed phrases. though we can do that but with all the other things that we have in mind, there's possibility that we will miss one or two words from those phrases. so before you regret that you can't totally store your seed phrases at longer period of time, better find another route to store your those seed phrases. nothing wrong if we admit that we can't assure ourselves that we can secure our seed phrases just by using our memory.


Title: Re: My experience with memorizing seed phrases
Post by: JoyMarsha on May 15, 2023, 10:43:59 PM
Your crypto assets seed phrase is something that will be stored on file for a very long time. is not something you can memorize repeatedly without growing weary of it or losing it since the seed phrase is not something that someone will use constantly, such as typing it as a password before using his wallet address.

As time proceeds in successfully memorizing your seed phrase, there will be a time you will have no zeal to keep memorizing it all the time as before because you are doing that all the time

Pen and paper is still classic. It’s up to us how safe we can keep it. If we gonna stress about it’s safety all the time then I am sure we going to make mistake, forget it over the time, lose it with simple mistake and what not.
The best way to protect your seed phrase is not only classic but also time-tested. Because of this, it was suggested that we write it down on a piece of paper rather than memorizing it.



Title: Re: My experience with memorizing seed phrases
Post by: Fatunad on May 15, 2023, 10:57:53 PM
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This is something I frequently talk about, memorizing of seed phrases to my mind is the best deal out there but there are a lot of people who disagree with me and say that many people can't remember 12 words seed phrase or they'll forget it. But if one memorizes those words every day for months, he will succeed. I think it offers the ultimate security in sense of you don't need to write down seed phrases somewhere and you don't have to worry about where to save it or who will find it, it's sealed in your brain. But I feel a little bit strange about your case. If you try to simultaneously remember 4 seeds of 12 words, you'll fail. Over 2-4 years, you will succeed but just why do you need 4 wallet? Narrow your focus, it's better for you, you can't handle that much.

Memorizing phrases with our brain is really convenient for us because we will have access to our bitcoins anytime and anywhere when we need them, and we don't have to think about finding a safe place to store phrases. But to say that it is the method that brings maximum safety is not necessarily correct. You have not considered the cases when the unexpected happens to you, many accidents cause you to lose your memory temporarily, and that is the limit when it comes to using your brain to remember. There is no single method that is absolutely safe, and that is why there are many methods or products created to provide an alternative. I have no problem using my brain to memorize phrases, but we still make another backup for ourselves.
Yes, its good to make it memorize and at the same time you are really that saving up those phrases on a paper or some cold storages on which you could assure that complete security. If you do consider on solely memorizing it then i could say that it is really that more prone for your wallet to be forgotten. Why? not all people does have that kind of memory which they could really be able to 100% remember all of those words.
Come to mind that we are keeping these coins for longer years to come, not all the time you would be able to remember on the time that you would be needing to access into it. So i dont really that recommend at all but if you are really that confident that you could remember those phrases or someone does have that photographic memory then its up to you which you could really take this kind of option.
If you do find and feel off that this is more secure then go ahead and do it but i would say that having multiple back up plans is much more preferred than on single one.


Title: Re: My experience with memorizing seed phrases
Post by: tread93 on May 16, 2023, 02:27:01 AM
First things first, I have pretty average memory, I don't forget important things too often, but I also can't instantly memorize things to the tiniest details like some gifted people can.

Around 5 years ago I decided to memorize my wallet seeds to have one extra backup method. My main backups are pieces of paper + a flash drive with wallet files.

I memorized all 4 wallet seeds (12 words each) that I have very quickly by rehearsing them from memory and checking with the written down seeds every day. For a long time, maybe 1-2 years I kept discipline and repeated the seeds every day, but eventually I started slipping and forgetting to do it, especially if I was busy with something. This affected my memory, and sometimes I forgot or wasn't sure about parts of a seed (2-4 words) so I had to look at it again and repeat it more often.

Interesting thing about memory, it's easier for me to repeat them in the sequence that I was always repeating (seed 1 -> seed 2 -> seed 3 -> seed 4) than to repeat only one seed that isn't the first. Also I can't repeat the words starting from non-first word or in an order that isn't original. So to me it's more like keeping in memory one big 48-word seed than having 4 seeds of 12 words each.

So in summary, I think memorizing a seed is easier than most people think, and there's no need to come up with songs or rhymes or other stuff, they can probably even make things worse. But in general memory is not reliable, even in long term, so this shouldn't be viewed as a reliable backup. It's just a nice extra layer of backup that doesn't require any complicated setup, and its strongest upside is that it's always with you (until your memory fails).

I think this is great that you had it memorized just in case of emergency but beware! I just saw the other day in some headline that scientists have found a way to read someones mind by reading their brain waves (this was placing a subject in their own little head gear connected with chords to a giant computer or something). I didn't look to far into this or read too much but at the rate that tech is expanding and getting so advanced so rapidly I don't think its farfetched to think that 10-20 years from now they have a device that can read your mind wirelessly. It sounds so nuts but honestly maybe something like that isn't far off. Could tech that could be intrusive to ones thoughts, memories, and brain one day exist? Maybe. Does that sound freaky? Yes, yes it does. Honestly though I do think that it is smart to have it memorized. Now if one day they do have that tech we just gotta come up with a thoughts and memory brain shield helmet or something, man that sounds so whack lmao


Title: Re: My experience with memorizing seed phrases
Post by: BALIK on May 16, 2023, 02:58:06 AM
First things first, I have pretty average memory, I don't forget important things too often, but I also can't instantly memorize things to the tiniest details like some gifted people can.

Around 5 years ago I decided to memorize my wallet seeds to have one extra backup method. My main backups are pieces of paper + a flash drive with wallet files.

I memorized all 4 wallet seeds (12 words each) that I have very quickly by rehearsing them from memory and checking with the written down seeds every day. For a long time, maybe 1-2 years I kept discipline and repeated the seeds every day, but eventually I started slipping and forgetting to do it, especially if I was busy with something. This affected my memory, and sometimes I forgot or wasn't sure about parts of a seed (2-4 words) so I had to look at it again and repeat it more often.

Interesting thing about memory, it's easier for me to repeat them in the sequence that I was always repeating (seed 1 -> seed 2 -> seed 3 -> seed 4) than to repeat only one seed that isn't the first. Also I can't repeat the words starting from non-first word or in an order that isn't original. So to me it's more like keeping in memory one big 48-word seed than having 4 seeds of 12 words each.

So in summary, I think memorizing a seed is easier than most people think, and there's no need to come up with songs or rhymes or other stuff, they can probably even make things worse. But in general memory is not reliable, even in long term, so this shouldn't be viewed as a reliable backup. It's just a nice extra layer of backup that doesn't require any complicated setup, and its strongest upside is that it's always with you (until your memory fails).

I think this is great that you had it memorized just in case of emergency but beware! I just saw the other day in some headline that scientists have found a way to read someones mind by reading their brain waves (this was placing a subject in their own little head gear connected with chords to a giant computer or something). I didn't look to far into this or read too much but at the rate that tech is expanding and getting so advanced so rapidly I don't think its farfetched to think that 10-20 years from now they have a device that can read your mind wirelessly. It sounds so nuts but honestly maybe something like that isn't far off. Could tech that could be intrusive to ones thoughts, memories, and brain one day exist? Maybe. Does that sound freaky? Yes, yes it does. Honestly though I do think that it is smart to have it memorized. Now if one day they do have that tech we just gotta come up with a thoughts and memory brain shield helmet or something, man that sounds so whack lmao

Even if that technology is successfully developed, I don't think it will be widely used, that would violate the principle of humanities in science. If we can build that machine, it will only be used in the military or to interrogate prisoners, it will only be used in certain fields. So forget it, those are far-fetched things. But I also find it quite risky to use my brain to store seed phrases and not have any other backups. Nothing is entirely safe without risk, so no matter how you store it, we should have 2 or 3 backup plans.


Title: Re: My experience with memorizing seed phrases
Post by: Faisal2202 on May 16, 2023, 10:21:22 AM
First things first, I have pretty average memory, I don't forget important things too often, but I also can't instantly memorize things to the tiniest details like some gifted people can.
Around 5 years ago I decided to memorize my wallet seeds to have one extra backup method. My main backups are pieces of paper + a flash drive with wallet files.
I am just amazed after reading about your experience, more likely confused too. Because you need no to remember them, there are plenty of ways to keep your phrase safe and disconnected from the digital world. But you still tried to memorize it and from so long years. No wonder, if someone keeps repeating the same phrase for over 5 years he will definitely memorize it. But as i said, it's an unnecessary task.

Well, if you really want to safe your key phrases safe for a longer period of time like for 100 of years, then you should buy a DNA storage kit and store your keys in it, I think you can't do it manually you have to take help from experts to convert your data into DNA storage strands. Well, this method is more reliable than other ones because it can last for thousands of years, Who knows in 3023, one of your generations might find that key phrase.

I suggest you, do not put too much weight on your mind to force it to remember keys, But on the other hand, i think it's also a good practice to keep your memory sharp and active instead of making it dull over time.