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Title: 120$ Loan defaulted by [Supreemo]
Post by: shasan on May 26, 2023, 11:20:13 AM
What happened:: Took a loan of 100$ and wanted to repay 110$ by 11th may 2023. On the 11th May ask extension for a week via private message. And from then there is no contact though I tried to reach him/her several times. And the user logged into the account after getting my message but no response.

Scammers Profile Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=988763

Reference Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5030169.msg62077076#msg62077076
Amount Scammed: 120$
Payment Method: USDT
Proof of Payment: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5030169.msg62077119#msg62077119

Flag: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=3169


Title: Re: 120$ Loan defaulted by [Supreemo]
Post by: shasan on May 26, 2023, 11:20:31 AM
Reserve


Title: Re: 120$ Loan defaulted by [Supreemo]
Post by: Oshosondy on May 26, 2023, 11:41:46 AM
This is Supreemo profile: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=988763

I can see that he is in Sinbad.

I checked Sinbad signature campaign to check the spreadsheet of users in the campaign but I did not see anything. Or you can point me to a link that I can see Sinbad campaign participants.

Is Supreemo actually in a campaign? Or he only wear Sinbad signature inorder to scam.


Title: Re: 120$ Loan defaulted by [Supreemo]
Post by: shasan on May 26, 2023, 11:46:08 AM
This is Supreemo profile: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=988763

I can see that he is in Sinbad.

I checked Sinbad signature campaign to check the spreadsheet of users in the campaign but I did not see anything. Or you can point me to a link that I can see Sinbad campaign participants.

Is Supreemo actually in a campaign?
Supreemo was in the campaign while I accepted the loan request of Supreemo. But probably on 11th May Supreemo has been removed for a low number of posts or low-quality posts. I think Supreemo has alternative accounts and does not worry about the account also s/he thinks s/he might not be accepted on any other campaign and that's why s/he defaulted on the loan. But I do not think any wise full member should do like this.


Title: Re: 120$ Loan defaulted by [Supreemo]
Post by: Oshosondy on May 26, 2023, 11:59:46 AM
Sorry about the loan, it is disappointing.

According to what I found out, his account was registered on April 22, 2017. He has only earned 10 merits seven times before. Definitely he woke up not quite long ago.

The first merit he received was on 27th March, 2023 and the remaining 9 merits in April (the last on April 11th). He requested for a loan on April 12th.

This makes me think that he did this intentionally to scam.

I am surprised that Royse777 even accepted him into Sinbad in the first place. But that is not the problem because campaign managers can accept who ever they want.

Sorry to say this, that he is not worthy to be borrowed money. He still do not have the kind of activeness and merits that supposed to let you borrow him money. Try to do more research before borrowing people money.

Sorry. I hope other DT members will give him negative trust too.


Title: Re: 120$ Loan defaulted by [Supreemo]
Post by: Awaklara on May 26, 2023, 12:34:50 PM
Supreemo was indeed in the Sinbad campaign when he made the loan. but it wasn't for long, only had about 5 weeks he was in the campaign before being kicked out.
if he had good intentions, he should be able to give some of what he earned from the signature campaign to repay the loan. instead of just asking for a longer payout time. and maybe now he has no face to appear on forums. except as you said, he's still hanging around with his alt account.

I will tag and support the flag. but let's hope there is a better solution when he comes and completes his responsibilities.


Title: Re: 120$ Loan defaulted by [Supreemo]
Post by: logfiles on May 26, 2023, 12:47:58 PM
I think Supreemo has alternative accounts and does not worry about the account also s/he thinks s/he might not be accepted on any other campaign and that's why s/he defaulted on the loan. But I do not think any wise full member should do like this.
Damn right, you are!

He has so many alts around
And he is found of meriting his alts

https://talkimg.com/images/2023/05/26/2023-05-26_15-23aa1092cb3cddee72.png

karmamiu (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=963528) is also his alt account and it's currently participating in coinslotty campaign

According to wallet explorer (https://www.walletexplorer.com/wallet/9144feeb041e58d2/addresses) bc1qexulsxaeumzzt4ncaynltagrduuay3tf9vm4uv which is karmamiu's address co-spent funds with bc1qc9gh4e28rhv9fy82ueh6lsge9hacaf8ekjqz65 which is Supreemo's address

Bitcointalk Profile Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=988763;sa=summary
Current amount of posts: 260
EARNED merit in the last 120 days: 1
bech32 BTC Address for payouts: bc1qc9gh4e28rhv9fy82ueh6lsge9hacaf8ekjqz65

Current amount of posts: 773 including this one
EARNED merit in the last 120 days: 86
BTC Address for payouts: bc1qexulsxaeumzzt4ncaynltagrduuay3tf9vm4uv
Native German speaker: No

Just trying my luck here  ;)



More alts

Deposit address: https://mempool.space/address/3Kp1SUjdiHTe4ZJwzmrB8Rg8HvcJSJ9dpj

The address is used by karmamiu and evilgreed (https://ninjastic.space/addresses?address=3Kp1SUjdiHTe4ZJwzmrB8Rg8HvcJSJ9dpj) in several occasions

I would love to participate on the review campaign. Hopefully my application will be considered.

Bitcointalk Profile Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=963528;sa=summary
Bitcointalk Rank: Senior Member
BTC address for Payouts: 3Kp1SUjdiHTe4ZJwzmrB8Rg8HvcJSJ9dpj

https://talkimg.com/images/2023/05/26/2023-05-26_15-4015b954d9dcdb2a9b.png
Now has been edited: original - https://ninjastic.space/post/53962463, edited - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5227812.msg53962463#msg53962463

Evilgreed (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=958996) is part of another group of accounts that was busted (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2544574.msg57354362#msg57354362) by lovesmayfamilis

4 Accounts Connected
Accounts Connected: (Note: Banned shown in red / red‚Äčtag  Blue)

1.evilgreed (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=958996)
2.Vatimins (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=792677)
3.Similificator (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=989056)
4.redhondaxrm125 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1160657)

Proof:

https://ninjastic.space/addresses?address=0xEBE8703DaA2254339bb99c44b76eA9c9EbB17561

BSC address:0xEBE8703DaA2254339bb99c44b76eA9c9EbB17561
[ archive (https://loyce.club/archive/posts/5719/57196873.html) ]

BEP-20 wallet address: 0xEBE8703DaA2254339bb99c44b76eA9c9EbB17561
[ archive (https://loyce.club/archive/posts/5735/57353428.html) ]

https://ninjastic.space/addresses?address=0x8c461D9e1b54cBa03928A720c9AA0Af3F7d30F60

ETH wallet [Address Must be from MetaMask wallet]: 0x8c461D9e1b54cBa03928A720c9AA0Af3F7d30F60
[ archive (https://loyce.club/archive/posts/5719/57196479.html) ]

Erc20 address: 0x8c461D9e1b54cBa03928A720c9AA0Af3F7d30F60
[ archive (https://loyce.club/archive/posts/5686/56867045.html) ]

Username : @hawthelend35
Share link : https://mobile.twitter.com/hawthelegend35/status/951896129343406080
Original post link : https://mobile.twitter.com/hawthelegend35/status/951896778885836801
[ archive (https://web.archive.org/web/20210630141005/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2718221.msg28002946) ]

twitter user URL: https://twitter.com/hawthelegend35
[ archive (https://loyce.club/archive/oldposts/362/362142xx.html#msg36214281) ]

Link to twitter: https://twitter.com/hawthelegend35
[ archive (https://loyce.club/archive/oldposts/404/404841xx.html#msg40484194) ]

Related Addresses:
Code:
BEP-20 wallet address: 0xEBE8703DaA2254339bb99c44b76eA9c9EbB17561
Erc20 address: 0x8c461D9e1b54cBa03928A720c9AA0Af3F7d30F60
Link to twitter: https://twitter.com/hawthelegend35

Miscellaneous:

Transferring merit to your alternate account.

https://bpip.org/Profile?p=evilgreed
https://i.ibb.co/z8Y4vxS/Screenshot-1.png (https://ibb.co/RhmDwbC)

https://bpip.org/smerit.aspx?from=Vatimins&to=Similificator
https://i.ibb.co/xh57yHS/Screenshot-1.png (https://ibb.co/tBCJSXM)

https://bpip.org/smerit.aspx?to=Similificator&from=evilgreed
https://i.ibb.co/8Bxbcq4/Screenshot-1.png (https://ibb.co/hMdcfb1)

https://bpip.org/smerit.aspx?from=redhondaxrm125&to=Vatimins
https://i.ibb.co/fG156kM/Screenshot-1.png (https://ibb.co/2YnQVvq)



I am quite certain there are more alts. Let me first go run some errands and then get back. I will hunt down, tag and flag all the alts connected to Supreemo. From today, he will regret why he defaulted a $120 loan



Title: Re: 120$ Loan defaulted by [Supreemo]
Post by: shasan on May 26, 2023, 12:59:24 PM
Sorry to say this, that he is not worthy to be borrowed money. He still do not have the kind of activeness and merits that supposed to let you borrow him money. Try to do more research before borrowing people money.
You are right but while there is about 40$ earned per week who cares about 100$ loan? And that's the mistake of me. I rely on the signature campaign though there is no warranty/guaranty on how long the campaign will remain active. Also, you know higher-ranked profiles can be banned so it might be a loss too. We have to take this type of loan as we have no alternative to knowing who is legit or not.


Title: Re: 120$ Loan defaulted by [Supreemo]
Post by: Aanuoluwatofunmi on May 26, 2023, 01:08:15 PM
This is Supreemo profile: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=988763

I can see that he is in Sinbad.

I checked Sinbad signature campaign to check the spreadsheet of users in the campaign but I did not see anything. Or you can point me to a link that I can see Sinbad campaign participants.

Is Supreemo actually in a campaign? Or he only wear Sinbad signature inorder to scam.

I doubted if the user is on Sinbad signature campaign, from what i can see on his profile, he was last active on the 22nd of May, no regular campaign participant would afford to miss more than to days being inactive on the forum, and though he's putting on Sinbad signature campaign and Avatar but people can not be trusted, may might have been an ex participant or not to have participated in the campaign before only to use that as a distraction that he's in a campaign, i will advise that the lender should always very members active enrollment on a signature campaign before awarding them a loan, you can't predict the extent to which how people can go just to achieve their aims.


Title: Re: 120$ Loan defaulted by [Supreemo]
Post by: Learn Bitcoin on May 26, 2023, 01:40:43 PM
I won't blame him for having multiple accounts if he does not violate any forum rules, including ban evading. But if he chooses to default on the loan, it proves he is a scammer. I don't see any reason for anyone to ruin their reputation just for 100 bucks! He could have quickly earned over $200 monthly from a signature campaign. Maybe he thought we would run away with $100 because he has a few more accounts, and he can earn more than $40 a week from other campaigns using a high-rank account. So, he left his low-ranked account, hoping to make more with his high-rank account. Good catch, logfiles! If you tag them all, and he gets kicked from all the campaigns, he will pop up and apologize for his mistakes.

Hey Supreemo!
That was a wrong choice. Come out from your Cave and apologize.


Title: Re: 120$ Loan defaulted by [Supreemo]
Post by: shasan on May 26, 2023, 02:14:25 PM
I am quite certain there are more alts. Let me first go run some errands and then get back. I will hunt down, tag and flag all the alts connected to Supreemo. From today, he will regret why he defaulted a $120 loan

Nice catch. I have already tagged all the connected accounts. Now s/he will be able to learn a good lesson.

I won't blame him for having multiple accounts if he does not violate any forum rules, including ban evading. But if he chooses to default on the loan, it proves he is a scammer. I don't see any reason for anyone to ruin their reputation just for 100 bucks! He could have quickly earned over $200 monthly from a signature campaign. Maybe he thought we would run away with $100 because he has a few more accounts, and he can earn more than $40 a week from other campaigns using a high-rank account. So, he left his low-ranked account, hoping to make more with his high-rank account. Good catch, logfiles! If you tag them all, and he gets kicked from all the campaigns, he will pop up and apologize for his mistakes.

Hey Supreemo!
That was a wrong choice. Come out from your Cave and apologize.
Multiple accounts are allowed until there is no violation/abuse. But the user abuses the lending section by defaulting on a loan. Defaulting a loan from one account means s/he is a scammer. And all the account of that user should be marked as scammers too.


Title: Re: 120$ Loan defaulted by [Supreemo]
Post by: Trofo on May 26, 2023, 03:35:41 PM
karmamiu (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=963528) is also his alt account and it's currently participating in coinslotty campaign
We feel that evidence presented here is enough to take actions. User karmamiu has been removed from coinslotty campaign and sent a notice over pm.

I guess it had to happen in one of campaigns sooner or latter. I still remember that guy that held 3 positions inside ChipMixer campaign.


@logfiles
Thank you for bringing this to our attention. As per our rules for minimizing the spam on the forum and keeping it as clean as possible you are entitled to 100$ finders fee. Please send me your BTC address trough PM and you will get the money with next campaign payment on Sunday evening.


Title: Re: 120$ Loan defaulted by [Supreemo]
Post by: CryptSafe on May 26, 2023, 06:31:26 PM
I checked the Sinbad campaign sheet I can not find his name there which means that he wore the avatar and signature to trick shasan to accepting his loan request and without any delay he got it. What a cunning man he is.
I  suggest shasan should take note of this aspect if any borrower is requesting a loan with a campaign avatar and signature, there should be a proper verification with the campaign manager as to know the genuinety of the identity of the borrower as regards the campaign they are involved with. This can be able to reveal if the borrower is still working with the campaign manager or not as to know if truly he or she could be able to pay back at the appropriate time as specified.



Title: Re: 120$ Loan defaulted by [Supreemo]
Post by: notblox1 on May 26, 2023, 06:41:27 PM
What happened:: Took a loan of 100$ and wanted to repay 110$ by 11th may 2023. On the 11th May ask extension for a week via private message. And from then there is no contact though I tried to reach him/her several times. And the user logged into the account after getting my message but no response.
I supported the flag against him.
Ruining account for $120 is very stupid and it will cost him much more.
This is not the first time you are reporting members like this, you should make a blacklist if you already dont have one.

He has so many alts around
And he is found of meriting his alts
Great investigation find.
He or they probably have more accounts coming from the same farm.

As per our rules for minimizing the spam on the forum and keeping it as clean as possible you are entitled to 100$ finders fee. Please send me your BTC address trough PM and you will get the money with next campaign payment on Sunday evening.
Very nice gesture Trofo!
Is this reward valid for all campaigns you are managing if we find more cheaters?


Title: Re: 120$ Loan defaulted by [Supreemo]
Post by: PX-Z on May 26, 2023, 07:42:39 PM
It really is too risky lending money without any collateral just a little assurance because of the campaign he is in. Now he is in trouble for getting caught with his other account, what a waste of time ranking just to getting rekt by wrong doings.
Kudos to @logfiles and still the community owes you @shasan for helping people lending money even tho its too risky and the chance of getting scammed is too high.


Title: Re: 120$ Loan defaulted by [Supreemo]
Post by: _BlackStar on May 26, 2023, 08:10:04 PM
In addition to supporting the flags, I also complete it by tagging users with negative tags for Loan defaulted.

Too much risk on your part these days and it seems to be a new pattern of some scammers to get easy money from you by selling their account reputation. At least I've seen you create several flags on several different accounts throughout 2023, so is your business still profitable, shasan? But maybe - it's more than just business.


Title: Re: 120$ Loan defaulted by [Supreemo]
Post by: khaled0111 on May 26, 2023, 08:45:17 PM
Flag supported, plus, I left him a negative feedback.
shasan, as far as I can see, this is not the first person who took a loan from you and didn't repay you! You need to be more careful and don't trust members just because of their ranks or the campaigns their are part of.
Being removed from sindbad campaign is not an excuse not to repay the loan. Any honest member will do whatever he can to repay what he is due or at least contact you and explain the situation.


Title: Re: 120$ Loan defaulted by [Supreemo]
Post by: albon on May 26, 2023, 11:07:57 PM
I am quite certain there are more alts. Let me first go run some errands and then get back. I will hunt down, tag and flag all the alts connected to Supreemo. From today, he will regret why he defaulted a $120 loan
This is a great catch, really he deserves it; if this person had paid the loan of $120 on time, he would have won the trust and respect of the community, but whoever steals people's money unlawfully should definitely fall into the evil of his deeds, what this scammer did is not shashan's reward by providing such a good service as a help to him and the rest of the members here, I really do not know how these scammers sleep in the peace of mind while they stole and deceived innocent people and did not fulfill their agreements with them. I believe that the scammer's loss now exceeds the amount of the loan he did not pay, and this is what comforted my heart. Flag supported  :)


Title: Re: 120$ Loan defaulted by [Supreemo]
Post by: rby on May 26, 2023, 11:17:13 PM

Supreemo was in the campaign while I accepted the loan request of Supreemo. But probably on 11th May Supreemo has been removed for a low number of posts or low-quality posts. I think Supreemo has alternative accounts and does not worry about the account also s/he thinks s/he might not be accepted on any other campaign and that's why s/he defaulted on the loan. But I do not think any wise full member should do like this.

Honestly, Supreemo is very much unwise. For him to be accepted at first in sinbad signature campaign means he has quality, although his quality might not be consistent. All he needed was just a little more efforts in his post quality.

Then, not reminding him of the act of selling accounts. It would have been better he sold the account and pay you with the money from the account sales.

X
You are right but while there is about 40$ earned per week who cares about 100$ loan? And that's the mistake of me. I rely on the signature campaign though there is no warranty/guaranty on how long the campaign will remain active. Also, you know higher-ranked profiles can be banned so it might be a loss too. We have to take this type of loan as we have no alternative to knowing who is legit or not.


Shasan, how about you only give loan to lower-ranked members who are in the long lasting campaigns. Such as the ones controlled by Hhampuz.
Sorry to say, some of the participants of sinbad aren't sure of their slots as Royse777 opens the campaign on weekly bases. Only the green zone and some good posters are sure of their slots while others whose post quality are below the manager's expectations are replaced. It will be nice you put this into consideration for subsequent loan decisions.


Title: Re: 120$ Loan defaulted by [Supreemo]
Post by: logfiles on May 26, 2023, 11:58:13 PM
Shasan, how about you only give loan to lower-ranked members who are in the long lasting campaigns. Such as the ones controlled by Hhampuz.
Sinbad looks like one of those campaigns that is long term, but the scammer got booted out due to poor posting quality. Either way, the scammer was not willing to pay the loan, as his other alt account has been in another well paying signature campaign.


Title: Re: 120$ Loan defaulted by [Supreemo]
Post by: Gladitorcomeback on May 27, 2023, 12:44:59 AM
Flag supported, I don't understand his stupidity that he ruined his career for just 120$. he was accepted in Sinbad with this account and he could be accepted in other compaigns also but i think greed forced him to take a short cut. Now his both accounts tagged and he might learned lesson well. With karmamiu he could earned 120$ in two weeks.

What will happen if this user now apologize and and repay the loan , will Negative change to neutrel (asking just for learning purpose)?



Sorry to say, some of the participants of sinbad aren't sure of their slots as Royse777 opens the campaign on weekly bases. Only the green zone and some good posters are sure of their slots while others whose post quality are below the manager's expectations are replaced. It will be nice you put this into consideration for subsequent loan decisions.

The loan was not big and if he was honest then it was not a difficult task for him repay on time but unfortunately he already planned to cheat. I think it will be much better to ask for trusted collateral for all those members who are not active for years.


Title: Re: 120$ Loan defaulted by [Supreemo]
Post by: Latviand on May 27, 2023, 01:53:46 AM
Flag supported, I don't understand his stupidity that he ruined his career for just 120$. he was accepted in Sinbad with this account and he could be accepted in other compaigns also but i think greed forced him to take a short cut. Now his both accounts tagged and he might learned lesson well. With karmamiu he could earned 120$ in two weeks.
The fact that you're surprised people will sell their reputation at such a low low price means you're a kind person who doesn't judge people easily and assume the worst in someone but yes, some people like Supreemo are willing to go to the lowest or maybe we are judging too quickly, I've read and watched Gone Girl so I want to see both sides before I can be definite of who I will side but given the current evidences that this loan is a default, Supreemo needs some explaining to do.


Title: Re: 120$ Loan defaulted by [Supreemo]
Post by: rby on May 27, 2023, 07:12:01 AM
Shasan, how about you only give loan to lower-ranked members who are in the long lasting campaigns. Such as the ones controlled by Hhampuz.
Sinbad looks like one of those campaigns that is long term, but the scammer got booted out due to poor posting quality. Either way, the scammer was not willing to pay the loan, as his other alt account has been in another well paying signature campaign.


Those are the kinds of people that have bad intention towards the forum just from the first day they created their account. They must have planned to cheat and it's unfortunate Shasan is at the receiving end.
Now you bursted other of his accounts that allegedly motivated him to ruin this, he should be regretting wherever he is now. Atleast, this ended well.

Flag supported, I don't understand his stupidity that he ruined his career for just 120$. he was accepted in Sinbad with this account and he could be accepted in other compaigns also but i think greed forced him to take a short cut. Now his both accounts tagged and he might learned lesson well. With karmamiu he could earned 120$ in two weeks.

What will happen if this user now apologize and and repay the loan , will Negative change to neutrel (asking just for learning purpose)?



The loan was not big and if he was honest then it was not a difficult task for him repay on time but unfortunately he already planned to cheat. I think it will be much better to ask for trusted collateral for all those members who are not active for years.

Yes, he already planned to cheat and that was why his door of wisdom was shut and he couldn't think. Anyways, for such a low loan as $100, active signature campaign should be a collateral enough, but it's unfortunate we have born criminals who will always make lenders lose money.


Title: Re: 120$ Loan defaulted by [Supreemo]
Post by: Apocollapse on May 27, 2023, 07:38:58 AM
What will happen if this user now apologize and and repay the loan , will Negative change to neutrel (asking just for learning purpose)?
Yeah, why not?

As far as I can see the negative feedback he got because of defaulting loan, not because of cheating in a same campaign. If he have joined in a same campaign, then it's definitely deserve negative feedback and there's no way to forgive him.

There's no rule about how many alt accounts someone can create, so it's technically fair.


Title: Re: 120$ Loan defaulted by [Supreemo]
Post by: shasan on May 27, 2023, 08:23:30 AM
We feel that evidence presented here is enough to take actions.
Based on the evidence I have already taken my action.

I checked the Sinbad campaign sheet I can not find his name there which means that he wore the avatar and signature to trick shasan to accepting his loan request and without any delay he got it. What a cunning man he is.

S/he was in the signature campaign but s/he has been removed from the campaign at the date of the repayment. All are present on the post of the thread and also received the payment on 11th May I guess.
At least I've seen you create several flags on several different accounts throughout 2023, so is your business still profitable, shasan? But maybe - it's more than just business.
I am still at a loss and many people lost and stopped but I have still not stopped also not yet have any plan to stop.



You need to be more careful and don't trust members just because of their ranks or the campaigns their are part of.
Being removed from sindbad campaign is not an excuse not to repay the loan. Any honest member will do whatever he can to repay what he is due or at least contact you and explain the situation.
The fun is not too high base on rank. The user left the account as s/he has multiple accounts. But day by day it is becoming harder to achieve rank so scammers also going down and soon I think this type of scammer will run away.

Shasan, how about you only give loan to lower-ranked members who are in the long lasting campaigns. Such as the ones controlled by Hhampuz.
I usually accept anyone who is in the signature campaign except 1xbit. But I should be more aware before accepting a loan.



Title: Re: 120$ Loan defaulted by [Supreemo]
Post by: avp2306 on May 27, 2023, 08:55:39 AM
Flag supported OP


Flag supported, I don't understand his stupidity that he ruined his career for just 120$. he was accepted in Sinbad with this account and he could be accepted in other compaigns also but i think greed forced him to take a short cut. Now his both accounts tagged and he might learned lesson well. With karmamiu he could earned 120$ in two weeks.

Yeah its so stupid decision to default on a small loan while he can earn that amount by getting cuts on sig campaigns.  But unfortunately he choose the wrong way and maybe he decide to quit to use this forum.


What will happen if this user now apologize and and repay the loan , will Negative change to neutrel (asking just for learning purpose)?

If he apologize maybe the neg tag will be erased but a neutral tag should be placed so that it reminds other people that he has a history of running away of his loan. But it this case I think its impossible for him to get back and paid the amount since he is now busted.


For lenders maybe next time or think about getting a settlement to the campaign managers who handle them and automatically deduct their signature earnings weekly so that you can get payments on the loan they get.


Title: Re: 120$ Loan defaulted by [Supreemo]
Post by: UmerIdrees on May 27, 2023, 09:06:49 AM
Supreemo was in the campaign while I accepted the loan request of Supreemo. But probably on 11th May Supreemo has been removed for a low number of posts or low-quality posts. I think Supreemo has alternative accounts and does not worry about the account also s/he thinks s/he might not be accepted on any other campaign and that's why s/he defaulted on the loan. But I do not think any wise full member should do like this.

I would call this a stupid act from Supreemo as he could have earned a lot more money than 100$ from his full member account if it was not tagged. You may call it an act of stupidness or greediness.

This 100$ will not make him rich but surely since you are providing the loans and helping people, it does matter to you. I just don't know why these scammers don't have a heart ? Why they don't have emotions and why they don't know that today they scam anyone, someday others will scam them. :(


Title: Re: 120$ Loan defaulted by [Supreemo]
Post by: khaled0111 on May 27, 2023, 08:33:45 PM
I usually accept anyone who is in the signature campaign except 1xbit. But I should be more aware before accepting a loan.
This is your mistake. As I said above, just because a member is part of a signature campaign doesn't mean he can be trusted. You should always keep this in mind! You have been here for too long and am sure you remember the case whan many high ranked/trusted members were busted for being alt accounts. Some of them were part of the highest paying sig campaign, back in the time.
Anyway, I hope some of the defaulters will have some integrity and repay what you owe them.


Title: Re: 120$ Loan defaulted by [Supreemo]
Post by: shasan on May 28, 2023, 01:52:34 AM
This is your mistake. As I said above, just because a member is part of a signature campaign doesn't mean he can be trusted. You should always keep this in mind! You have been here for too long and am sure you remember the case whan many high ranked/trusted members were busted for being alt accounts. Some of them were part of the highest paying sig campaign, back in the time.
Anyway, I hope some of the defaulters will have some integrity and repay what you owe them.
My observation is that no one with a single account will default such a small amount which is evidence of the defaulter. But it is not an easy way to find out who has an alt account and who has not. On the forum, we can't nothing judge which can save us. I have seen two users defaulted on the loan of Direwolf who has good rank as well as merit ranking but defaulted. So, we have nothing except to accept this type of loss until there are alternative accounts that are decreasing by being banned and defaulting on loan.


Title: Re: 120$ Loan defaulted by [Supreemo]
Post by: coin-investor on May 28, 2023, 04:13:59 AM



This 100$ will not make him rich but surely since you are providing the loans and helping people, it does matter to you. I just don't know why these scammers don't have a heart ? Why they don't have emotions and why they don't know that today they scam anyone, someday others will scam them. :(

Lending is a very risky business but hats off to Shasan for taking the initiatives and the risk to lend people who are in dire needs of funds when they cannot get it offline, I hope Shasan can keep up, those who loan should understand that they ask for loan because the lender trust them its not only the profit but the trust, I hope Shasan can continue with this business we need this if you are in an emergency and you cannot come up with the funds and you have a reputable account here in this forum the likes of Shasan is a big help.


Title: Re: 120$ Loan defaulted by [Supreemo]
Post by: rat03gopoh on May 28, 2023, 04:46:11 AM
My observation is that no one with a single account will default such a small amount which is evidence of the defaulter. But it is not an easy way to find out who has an alt account and who has not. On the forum, we can't nothing judge which can save us. I have seen two users defaulted on the loan of Direwolf who has good rank as well as merit ranking but defaulted. So, we have nothing except to accept this type of loss until there are alternative accounts that are decreasing by being banned and defaulting on loan.
It might be better for you to tighten the loan rules for new borrowers which aern't prominent users (if you agree to their proposal), eg limiting them to a smaller amount eg $50 or less for a few trial loans until you have cleared any doubt that the user won't try cheat.

It seems that the user's status as a promoter of a certain campaign is no longer a reliable guarantee to give them a loan especially if they have only been accepted for a few weeks, the fact is that we don't know whether the campaign salary is only their main or side income.


Title: Re: 120$ Loan defaulted by [Supreemo]
Post by: shasan on May 28, 2023, 05:18:42 AM
t might be better for you to tighten the loan rules for new borrowers which aern't prominent users (if you agree to their proposal), eg limiting them to a smaller amount eg $50 or less for a few trial loans until you have cleared any doubt that the user won't try cheat.

It seems that the user's status as a promoter of a certain campaign is no longer a reliable guarantee to give them a loan especially if they have only been accepted for a few weeks, the fact is that we don't know whether the campaign salary is only their main or side income.
I really highly appreciate your observation and opinion. But there is a lot of scammer with a lot of scamming technique. Few users may overcome your opinion as they try to take small loans and day by day increase the loan amount. Finally, try to take a large amount and default on the loan. For reference, you can see Continuous (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=951567), meatmeat (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=381490) and many more. These users took a lot of loans and finally defaulted on the loan.


Title: Re: 120$ Loan defaulted by [Supreemo]
Post by: Agbe on May 28, 2023, 11:15:38 PM
This is very bad of him. This are the people who not ready to repent from crime. As it is he is a serious criminal I'm real life. And he will never make it in life if this is what he does for a living. This is a very bad lifestyle. Shasan please next time thoroughly investigate the person small before issueing the loan out. If possible go to the local board and ask their leader there if possible because in business there is a big risk. So in physical life of this business lenders give form to borrowers to fill and since this is an online loan without kyc, still cross check the user profile, his post history and how long the person has been in the forum. Just a suggestion. Sorry for the lost. I pray you should recover it.


Title: Re: 120$ Loan defaulted by [Supreemo]
Post by: judeafante on May 28, 2023, 11:33:42 PM
That $120 is the worth of his value here in Bitcointalk for him to default on a loan, he is not logging in anymore I guess he is overwhelmed by the competition here that he believes that he cannot get into a campaign anymore so he screws up his account, the opinion that he has other accounts may be true he doesn't need this account anymore, that's one of the risks of offering a loan you have no expectation on the character of the borrower.


Title: Re: 120$ Loan defaulted by [Supreemo]
Post by: CryptSafe on May 29, 2023, 10:34:18 AM
that's one of the risks of offering a loan you have no expectation on the character of the borrower.

Absolutely right mate. Not to talk of when this platform is filled with anonymous persons who you have no clues who they are in their real life  both past and current. If it were to be possible for borrowers here to pass a kyc test before requesting for a loan that would have be better rather than being anonymous hiding behind to scam funds and run away with it but this platform frowns at such and wants to remain anonymous likewise everyone here.
So I guess the only collateral one would need for the loan is their platform account which seems to have grew through ranks to enable them do so but these days from what has happened, borrowers with no conscience does the unthinkable and damn it, they have their way and no one can be able to trace them since they are anonymous.

OP, I gave an opinion my previous post and again I am also sharing the second. How about you putting up a policy that anyone who wants to take a lone must have a reputable member or a high rank member from the rank of a snr. member to vouch or stand in as a surety or  if the borrower is promoting any campaign, the campaign manager should be able to sign a signature that the borrower is in his or her campaign and if they default, their weekly payments would be transferred to the lender.

 Lastly, the borrowing amount should be graded according to ranking as per payment level so that  no one borrows more than they earn in one or two weeks put together. @shasan


Title: Re: 120$ Loan defaulted by [Supreemo]
Post by: lovesmayfamilis on May 29, 2023, 01:23:22 PM

OP, I gave an opinion my previous post and again I am also sharing the second. How about you putting up a policy that anyone who wants to take a lone must have a reputable member or a high rank member from the rank of a snr. member to vouch or stand in as a surety or  if the borrower is promoting any campaign, the campaign manager should be able to sign a signature that the borrower is in his or her campaign and if they default, their weekly payments would be transferred to the lender.



I find this somewhat strange. Why should other people take responsibility for the actions of another user? You contradict yourself. Here on the forum, no one knows what a person did, who he was in the past, and so on. But at your suggestion, our managers should, whenever someone wants to borrow money, become guarantors for them. Have you put yourself in the shoes of these people? Why should anyone care about other people's problems? ::)


Title: Re: 120$ Loan defaulted by [Supreemo]
Post by: Little Mouse on May 29, 2023, 03:35:48 PM
What will happen if this user now apologize and and repay the loan , will Negative change to neutrel (asking just for learning purpose)?
Yeah, why not?
Lol, I don't think it's going to happen here. He has been caught with so many alts and now to save his alts, if he wants to send the defaulted fund back, that doesn't make him honest. It will be a fraudulent activity on top of cheating.

My observation is that no one with a single account will default such a small amount which is evidence of the defaulter. But it is not an easy way to find out who has an alt account and who has not. On the forum, we can't nothing judge which can save us. I have seen two users defaulted on the loan of Direwolf who has good rank as well as merit ranking but defaulted. So, we have nothing except to accept this type of loss until there are alternative accounts that are decreasing by being banned and defaulting on loan.
I see a service opportunity here. Someone can offer a Credit Rating service here for a % fee from the lender. Though it's risky considering the service provider is liable for a defaulted loan.


Title: Re: 120$ Loan defaulted by [Supreemo]
Post by: pakhitheboss on May 30, 2023, 06:13:07 AM
My observation is that no one with a single account will default such a small amount which is evidence of the defaulter. But it is not an easy way to find out who has an alt account and who has not. On the forum, we can't nothing judge which can save us. I have seen two users defaulted on the loan of Direwolf who has good rank as well as merit ranking but defaulted. So, we have nothing except to accept this type of loss until there are alternative accounts that are decreasing by being banned and defaulting on loan.

It is not your fault! Who could ever realize that a member  would default a $100 loan. Next time do check their activities for a at least a year before agreeing to any loan request. If they are active every day then the chances of them defaulting would be less. This is not a fixed solution but it will give you reassurance. I hope this low life comes back and repays the amount he owns you.


Title: Re: 120$ Loan defaulted by [Supreemo]
Post by: shasan on May 30, 2023, 06:47:36 PM
I see a service opportunity here. Someone can offer a Credit Rating service here for a % fee from the lender. Though it's risky considering the service provider is liable for a defaulted loan.
For non-collateral loans, no one knows who will repay or not so I do not think any user will try to open such a service as the service provider will be responsible for defaulting the loan. Many reputed members with high-quality posts and merit defaulted loans. So, it is always risky.


It is not your fault! Who could ever realize that a member  would default a $100 loan. Next time do check their activities for a at least a year before agreeing to any loan request. If they are active every day then the chances of them defaulting would be less. This is not a fixed solution but it will give you reassurance. I hope this low life comes back and repays the amount he owns you.
You are right but if we try to check ins and outs then a lot of users will not be able to get non-collateral loans but of them few might be really needy borrowers. So, for a few stupid people, I do not want to punish innocent people.


Title: Re: 120$ Loan defaulted by [Supreemo]
Post by: ScamViruS on May 30, 2023, 08:03:22 PM
It is not your fault! Who could ever realize that a member  would default a $100 loan. Next time do check their activities for a at least a year before agreeing to any loan request. If they are active every day then the chances of them defaulting would be less. This is not a fixed solution but it will give you reassurance. I hope this low life comes back and repays the amount he owns you.
In this forum we have seen Legendary rank users also defaulted with little funds which was very unexpected. Because if those users were active in the forum, they could have paid those loans by participating in the signature campaign. So think about how many things lenders have to think about, even if they consider lending to a user, there is no guarantee that he will not default. So lenders should always be aware of this risk, lenders have experience after seeing the activities of many users in the past.


Title: Re: 120$ Loan defaulted by [Supreemo]
Post by: Merit.s on May 30, 2023, 09:41:18 PM
I don't know why someone will take a loan and intentionally not want to pay back and feels okay with it,forgetting that it is someone's money s/he use for business. It is a pity that we still have such greedy fellows in the forum,who have plans of scamming people of their money. At least if his Sinbad campaign kicked him out,he would have find an alternative way to pay the money because he used the money. He is on another campaign and was suppose to use his weekly pay from there to pay back his loan. He deserves any punishment that is given to him.


Title: Re: 120$ Loan defaulted by [Supreemo]
Post by: shasan on June 02, 2023, 10:49:54 AM
In this forum we have seen Legendary rank users also defaulted with little funds which was very unexpected. Because if those users were active in the forum, they could have paid those loans by participating in the signature campaign. So think about how many things lenders have to think about, even if they consider lending to a user, there is no guarantee that he will not default. So lenders should always be aware of this risk, lenders have experience after seeing the activities of many users in the past.
You are right and I agree with you that legendary members also have default loans and which can be earned within 2 weeks. I have earned 0.01BTC+ within 2 weeks but a legendary member (SiNeReiNZzz) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=251328) defaulted such a loan. Which was too easy to recover for him. And I know a few people who have lost their funds at the time of taking a loan or after the loan and didn't use the fund but repaid/repaying. Also, the repayment wasn't too low and few people took more than 2 years but recover and they are too cooperative.


Title: Re: 120$ Loan defaulted by [Supreemo]
Post by: Eternad on June 02, 2023, 10:57:57 AM
Supported the flag against this user. It’s such a shame that this user defaulted on a loan while he has an alt account that can pay back immediately the default loan amount. He was very active on our local board before when his account doesn’t have campaign. He keeps translating long thread just to earn merit.

All his effort to farm those merits is just wasted. I feel ashamed that many loan defaulters came from my local board. As much as possible @Shasan, Don’t accept loan request from user that came from our country mainly those who earned merit rapidly because it’s a common local mentality here to get a loan and not pay back virtually or physically.


Title: Re: 120$ Loan defaulted by [Supreemo]
Post by: CryptSafe on June 02, 2023, 05:40:34 PM
I don't know why someone will take a loan and intentionally not want to pay back and feels okay with it,forgetting that it is someone's money s/he use for business. It is a pity that we still have such greedy fellows in the forum,who have plans of scamming people of their money. At least if his Sinbad campaign kicked him out,he would have find an alternative way to pay the money because he used the money. He is on another campaign and was suppose to use his weekly pay from there to pay back his loan. He deserves any punishment that is given to him.
This shows who s/he truly is in the real life. How can someone  be of that behavior to run down some other person's business just out of greed. Funny enough he has other accounts that were actively working on campaign and receiving pay why not he use the pay from those accounts to settle his debt rather than refusing to pay. Out of greed he has been kicked out and account likely to be flagged  for s/his wicked act. What a greedy one to be found on this platform and atleast he/ she got exposed by their act and nobody did that for s/he to hold responsible for the woes befalling them.


Title: Re: 120$ Loan defaulted by [Supreemo]
Post by: ScamViruS on June 02, 2023, 06:19:07 PM
In this forum we have seen Legendary rank users also defaulted with little funds which was very unexpected. Because if those users were active in the forum, they could have paid those loans by participating in the signature campaign. So think about how many things lenders have to think about, even if they consider lending to a user, there is no guarantee that he will not default. So lenders should always be aware of this risk, lenders have experience after seeing the activities of many users in the past.
You are right and I agree with you that legendary members also have default loans and which can be earned within 2 weeks. I have earned 0.01BTC+ within 2 weeks but a legendary member (SiNeReiNZzz) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=251328) defaulted such a loan. Which was too easy to recover for him. And I know a few people who have lost their funds at the time of taking a loan or after the loan and didn't use the fund but repaid/repaying. Also, the repayment wasn't too low and few people took more than 2 years but recover and they are too cooperative.
Basically, those who have the mentality of repaying the loan, even if they lose the fund after taking the loan from you, they will still make the repayment, or they will keep in touch with you until the loan is repaid. So it becomes difficult at times to understand people's thinking, because for low money they destroy the reputation of their high rank account.

@SiNeReiNZzz  may have decided his next step after taking a loan from you, because I took a loan from you and realized how friendly you are. If users like SiNeReiNZzz kept in touch with you, their account reputation wouldn't be ruined like this.


Title: Re: 120$ Loan defaulted by [Supreemo]
Post by: KingsDen on June 02, 2023, 09:59:20 PM

OP, I gave an opinion my previous post and again I am also sharing the second. How about you putting up a policy that anyone who wants to take a lone must have a reputable member or a high rank member from the rank of a snr. member to vouch or stand in as a surety or  if the borrower is promoting any campaign, the campaign manager should be able to sign a signature that the borrower is in his or her campaign and if they default, their weekly payments would be transferred to the lender.



I find this somewhat strange. Why should other people take responsibility for the actions of another user? You contradict yourself. Here on the forum, no one knows what a person did, who he was in the past, and so on. But at your suggestion, our managers should, whenever someone wants to borrow money, become guarantors for them. Have you put yourself in the shoes of these people? Why should anyone care about other people's problems? ::)

I tried to peruse the proposal and discovered that it didn't even make sense at the first place. Getting someone to vouch for someone that wants to borrow. What then is the function of collateral?
You are trying to solve a problem which is existing in another dimension. Anyone willing to issue a non collateral loan to a non reputable member is doing it at their peril.
Talking about getting a campaign manager as a surety such that when there is a loan default, the manager transfers the weekly pay to the lender. This suggestion of yours is laughable. Who has defaulted a loan before and still comfortable in a campaign and getting paid?


Title: Re: 120$ Loan defaulted by [Supreemo]
Post by: Similificator on July 21, 2023, 01:01:58 AM
I swear on however small of a reputation I have in this forum that I have never scammed anyone nor will I ever scam anyone. I am not in any way connected to supremo or karmamiu.

The only thing that I am guilty of is giving merits to my alt accounts out of desperation which are Similificator, Vatimins and redhondaxrm125. And I have fully admitted my fault about this issue and have never done it since. Which is why the supposedly negative trust that was given to me by "lovesmayfamilis" was changed into neutral.

The account evilgreed is only an account the was lent to me in exchange for some favors (trading learning materials) by some random guy on my old number on telegram back then. I have only been able to use that account on a few campaigns. And yes, used some of its smerits on the account that I REALLY owned. But after that, I long decided to stop using the evilgreed account since I had lost contact with the guy after losing my main phone. Also, he still had the recovery email so even if I wanted to claim the account for myself, he could have easily recovered it.

On the very few occasions that we had conversations on telegram, he was friendly and had not scammed me nor changed the account password even after I have sent him the files he asked for. So I eventually thought that the guy I was chatting with was at least a decent person. I really had no idea that he was a scammer or anything. Had I known what type of person he was, I would have never borrowed that account regardless of desperation due to unemployment.

Again, I really am not a scammer nor am I in any way connected to the accounts supremo and karmamiu. I wasn't raised that way by my parents and I also know too well the feeling because of lots of experience being phished and scammed myself.

Reading most of the responses and having nothing to prove my innocence about this, I am feeling really sad and hopeless right now. It may be small change for most of the people here but for me, what I earn from bounties, regardless of the amount helps me and my family a lot in making ends meet along with the other odd jobs I do. That's why I am trying to be really cautious about the things I do here and try my best to not ruin the chance I have to earn in this forum.

In my stay in this forum I enjoyed conversations with likeminded people, have grown a lot and have gradually put a lot of effort in most of my posts. I have been helped and was able to learn then later on have become capable of helping out other members as well which I did as much as I could whenever I had the chance.
I really hope that as much as I have tried to help others on some occasions in this forum at least one person would also try to help me out in any way to compare the accounts I own to the accounts being accused of scamming that would distinguish the difference between them. Although, I don't know how that can be done and that if ever it would take a lot of effort.

I really am lost on what I should do from now on and think that making this response might already be useless and won't change anything.

I was really shocked after seeing the negative trusts and the reference on the 13th of July when I was about to remove my sig and try to look for some other open campaigns. Since then, I have been contemplating a lot whether I should still try to explain myself or not since I didn't know how or what to do to prove that I am not connected in this scamming thing or if there would ever be someone willing to make an effort to help out some random stranger online like me that has nothing of value to provide in exchange.

Still, I just went ahead and made this response. Although not expecting much, I'm still holding on to that hope that someone who knows what to do about my case might still try to help.

Whichever the case thanks for reading my side.


Title: Re: 120$ Loan defaulted by [Supreemo]
Post by: Awaklara on July 21, 2023, 12:45:04 PM
Whichever the case thanks for reading my side.
your story sounds like bullshit. there is no proof and no one will ever think your story is true. the connection has actually been published. You acknowledge that you once had an @evilgreed account. and there is no evidence that you are no longer operating the account.
I still can't believe anyone interacts online via telegram and lends their account without fear of being scammed.


Title: Re: 120$ Loan defaulted by [Supreemo]
Post by: logfiles on July 21, 2023, 11:16:28 PM
I swear on however small of a reputation I have in this forum that I have never scammed anyone nor will I ever scam anyone. I am not in any way connected to supremo or karmamiu.
Yes, you are through the evilgreed account. We don't do KYC here, so anyone can make up anything just to save their asses

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The only thing that I am guilty of is giving merits to my alt accounts out of desperation which are Similificator, Vatimins and redhondaxrm125. And I have fully admitted my fault about this issue and have never done it since. Which is why the supposedly negative trust that was given to me by "lovesmayfamilis" was changed into neutral.
And you really expect us to believe what you say here?

After exchanging merits with your alt accounts? You can't be trusted for sure.

I see 2 more likely alt accounts of yours and one of them is banned. I need to first confirm this before posting them here. You should have paid the loan and everything should have just been fine. I guess that is karma hitting right back at you.


Title: Re: 120$ Loan defaulted by [Supreemo]
Post by: Similificator on July 22, 2023, 03:16:07 AM
~

I guess I already expected this kind of response here. Even last time when I was asking an honest question about a scam gambling site where I had been scammed for 10kphp I instead was accused of being cahoots with the site. Although, there were still lots of people who gave helpful response which I was thankful about. I don't blame anyone though, it's hard to trust where we can't identify real people.

And about the telegram, I don't think there was any risk involved though. What I had were files that required only effort to get while the other side only provided account details which he or she could have recovered any time he/she wanted through email recovery.

~

I honestly am not expecting that much anymore, I already see this as a lost cause since as I have said, I had no proof of any of my claims. And while I am truly not the scammer or have scammed anyone else, I can't say I am completely clean.

I guess I just felt I had to say something no matter how useless it would have already been since the accusation is not a simple issue. It involves money that someone worked hard for. I have been scammed and phished several times already myself, the last thing I want to happen is to be labelled the same as such scammers/thieves that I furiously hate.

If ever I had to leave because of my multiple accounts and sending merits, I didnt want my last image in this forum to be as a scammer.

I guess I just hoped a bit that there was a way to identify any differences or whatever between me and the scammer somehow. But I guess that hope is already down the drain.

While it's not a good feeling to lose something you have given effort to build or be accused of something you are not, I already have too much on my plate right now personally. I don't want to waste anymore effort on something I have no control over nor engage in conversations that may degrade the image I've built here even more if I get triggered emotionally somehow and say things that I wouldn't want said to me as well.

Besides, it's my fault anyway for trusting that person, be it in the time of pandemic or not. Sucks to be me, I guess I was just unlucky.

Well, maybe you can see this as my last effort to clear my account from being a scammer. If someone gets to prove my claims somehow then great, if not then it is what it is.

I enjoyed conversing with like minded people during my stay. Although I won't be initiating in conversations anymore since no one would even want to converse with an account that has a scammer label stuck on it, I can still read posts here when I am curious about news related to this industry from time to time so I guess that at least is a good thing.

I actually ended up typing more than I originally wanted but felt quite relieved being able to express my thoughts. I am letting go of this issue now and would probably stop visiting this forum for quite some time for some peace of mind.

Regardless of how I am being seen right now, I'm thankful for you both for taking the time to read and actually responding with your views on this.

-Similificator