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Like everyone else in the bitcoin community we all have a special question for Satoshi Nakamote, so two AI engineers created a bitcoin GPT called talk2satoshi. The chatbot claims to be Satoshi and answers question like Satoshi. I've been poking around with the bot, asking it different questions. It is open AI trained and has 5 sources  (https://www.talk2satoshi.com/sources)where it gets answers, users are allowed to add sources too. The program just launched yesterday by two twitter users Pierre Corbin (https://twitter.com/CierrePorbin) and @hugoferre_

I noticed the bot answers same questions differently, asked it same question repeatedly and got different answers. I chose the answer I like, though I missed one excellent answer, I didn't screenshot it. Currently the site is delaying due to multiple requests.

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The community is tired of this AI stuff, why do users keep pushing it here? Well, I don't see how helpful that AI is, and since it has different sources from which it collects information, it's easy to get wrong information from those sources, and someone can still add inaccurate information to it. But based on Bitcoiners common knowledge on the forum, who would not know that Satoshi gave out the forum to theymos just to remain anonymous, so that Bitcoin would remain decentralized. If I should ask now, is there any new information from that AI that cannot be gotten from this forum if a question is raised about it?

@Dr.Bitcoin_Strange finally someone who thinks alike!! AI is so useful in many other domains of the world but to Bitcoin I really think it’s only very damaging! How does AI help? By writing scenarios for why Satoshi did something? That’s something the internet has done for a decade.. unless there’s a flaw in the way Bitcoin works and AI somehow gets to find it or a solution to existing problems, for Bitcoin it’s useless!

It’s only created a new trend of scams called “AI Coins”, basically ICO/ICP/ICD/IC[insert_letter] reloaded and made a lot of room for very damaging behavior like plagiarizing using it! I said a few days in another post, AI is in this case pretty much text spinning..

Those text writing AI's are of no use even if they can create unique answers every time. Those tools are basically trained on data available for free, and they have been trained in a way that they can answer your questions based of that data. We can't rely on such tools because most of the times the can be inaccurate and that thing can cause misconception.

I recommend you to avoid such tools because it doesn't make sense to invest your time and energy with bots and that's really a sign of madness. Now, the so called engineers are creating such useless bots that claim to be Satoshi the real genius behind the creation of Bitcoin. How could they add the intelligence of someone like Satoshi Nakamoto? I think they won't be able to add such level of intelligence forever.

People like Satoshi aren't born everyday, such geniuses are born once in a decade, and they are born to bring change in the minds and the systems. Just try to imagine that how much work the Satoshi might  have done during the creation of Bitcoin. He must have not slept for hundreds of night for creating and fixing Bitcoin and its code. It's literally a scam to mimic such a genius guy by a useless bot.

This AI can never answers questions like satoshi because isn't directly connected to Nakamoto and may mislead individual I mean the future user or people who are not originally belong to this forum and whatever answers they got from bot that is what they would believe. To me it's not encouraging, now did Satoshi Nakamoto made any post regarding being handed over the forum to Theymos or it was just a random answer?

I feel suddenly every user here is getting obsessed with AI. Either we are trying to detect AI content or we are using AI to create a topic based on our expectation & experience with it. I mean there are other things to discuss why only AI? I understand that the AI trend is here to stay but how can someone compare an AI bot with a human mind is out of my understanding.

That doesnt make any sense since no way that AI is the real reason for that, There are already tons of AI that are developed and I don't think we need or going to use all of it, one AI that can do most of the things or that can help you to your task what so ever is already enough. Having talk2satoshi AI seems to be useless since we all know that the AI answers are just nonsense and just lines that are made by the developer, I just doesnt see the reason for it. But I guess its just his little project so creating an AI is still a great practice.

The community shouldn't be tired of AI tools because this technology is the rave of the moment. Almost every top global firm is diversifying its operation towards this technology. It is not wrong to introduce artificial intelligence tools to members that could be helpful and make their tasks easy. But using AI to ask some irrelevant questions that will contribute nothing to the forum should be discouraged. We all know that these bots can only answer questions by analyzing information from different available sources and there is no information about Satoshi. And I am not also comfortable with the title of this thread because it was constructed to get the attention of members, meanwhile, the content is different.

Those AIs compose sentences in such a unique way that they're not plagerized, but even in such a case, the forum doesn't still support AI content despite the fact that it's un-plagerized. Just in the past few months and weeks, some members were pulled from their signature campaigns in which they were participating, and the reason for their removal was because they used AI contents. That's to tell you how seriously the forum and campaign managers are handling the AI case for content generator. Users often read but don't follow instructions; that's why the AI stuff just keeps repeating.


Yea, it might be helpful in other forms of activity, but users seem not to be talking more about that but are always trying to show the usefulness of it in the forum, and the majority are also composing contents and using them in the forum, even though the forum doesn't support that aspect of it.

How long are we going to get tired of seing people using Satoshi Nakamoto name to claim what they want to achieve, part of what they don't know is that they have already helped evangelizing the name the more and bitcoin to the world in their nasty way of funny acts of being Satoshi or creating a chat medium in his name, these are what a common and reasonable person should know and understand that someone like Satoshi cannbe found in meeses like this, the more they are attacking the more we are seing it as a promotion for bitcoin adoption.

Quite interesting, OP, what did you want to know from the robot? You wrote that you liked some answers; that's what AI is designed for. If until today we knew nothing about Satoshi, that is, there was nothing new on the Internet, what could a robot do? Where do you think he gets his information from?
Honestly, people who turn to AI for help to find information are like fools who believe in all the fairy tales that the Internet can tell. Wake up already; the Internet is a garbage dump where necessary and unnecessary information is dumped, everything in a row.

Wow, the fact that the website is currently overloaded with idiots breathlessly trying to chat with AI "satoshi" is actually pretty depressing. :D

I don't know why so many people find this kind of thing to be compelling...

Imagine I set aside some time to read every one of satoshi's posts, and then said: Okay guys, ask me anything, and I'll answer it just like satoshi would!

Or, even better, imagine a bona fide satoshi "expert" offered to impersonate satoshi for an AMA on Reddit.

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AI is a machine and it learns from data and human knowledge but it can not dig to find something which has never existed on paper or Internet or any database.

Funny, it works creatively to give you answers which satisfy your curiosity but information will be not correct.

Talk to Satoshi, I am deeply sorry but where is Satoshi Nakamoto to talk with Satoshi? Nobody knows, AI does not knows. The AI answer will be bullshit.

That AI possibly learn from this thread and cook its answer.
I gathered every Satoshi thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5271796.0)

And let me give that the appropriate answer, "NO". Although I feel the question is rather rhetorical but it just feels right to get that out of your chest.

Well I feel you bro, but I think the fuzz about all this AI stuff is because is still in it early stages and humans are rather intrigued by the technology and are in the stages of using it in all areas of their activities to find the most suitable area but with the looks of its adoption here in this community, I think the AI is partially not welcomed as users tend to use it as an excuse for their laziness to contribute original contents here on the forum and even on their campaign subscriptions.

OP, I don’t entirely disagree with you for bringing this topic to the forum about AI. As you’ve observed in this forum, nobody gives necessity to the idea of using AI to answer rhetorical questions that are unknown to everyone. There answers are fetched from the internet, from the views of people on that subject matter uploaded to the internet, this act can be termed “plagiarized” too.

AI can’t function on their own, they need data’s from the internet to support their reply they give to you. Not all answers from the internet are correct or justifiable, some are based on assumptions, which is a more reason why their answers cannot be dependent on.

Yeah, Chat GPT strikes again. Be ware enough not to see you to your end on the forum. Having to use this app to do most of your findings could induce laziness into you and you gradually find yourself not being as efficient as you once were.

I could almost tell from the few sentences I read in the image post that it was all AI generated and sincerely, the AI didn't say anything that isn't already known, even go a newbie who have discovered the name Theymos except, for the bitcoin core developers role in maintaining the newtowrk as it claims.

In your bid to experiment, be sure to not violate forum rules. AI in the regard of the forum doesn't help so much other than to help you understand certain concepts and terminologies.

The first line of the answer was, "I handed over the Bitcointalk forum to theymos because I wanted the community to take control of Bitcoin" 8). Well, Bitcoin has nothing to do with the Forum. The Forum was created to discuss Bitcoin. Every forum user is not Bitcoiner. I do believe there are a lot of users who do not own Bitcoin. Some of them are altcoiners, and some are no coiners! The forum community cannot control Bitcoin. It's created to be decentralized and will remain the same even if this community doesn't exist anymore or theymos decide to shut down the forum. Bitcoin will remain decentralized. Is it enough explanation to back my claim that Bitcoin Decentralization has nothing to do with the BitcoinTalk.org community?

This is the craze AI Created these days. Content creators started relying on AI, and they teach others how to use AI and how their life can be easier. Just imagine someone becoming a Web developer using AI and building a website. Now, when he needs to change something and check the code, he doesn't know where to check or understand what to do.

I am afraid of AI.
Elon Musk talked about this day which we are seeing now. He has a dedicated Video titled "I Tried To Warn You" - Elon Musk LAST WARNING (2023) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jkRcrM6XKA) in His Youtube channel. I don't know if I like him personally. But, I agree with him on many things. At least he doesn't talk shit.

The result would be more accurate and close to the truth if you asked why Satoshi handed over the forum to Theymos with tarot cards or fortune telling on coffee grounds. :D

No matter what Nak-AI-moto claims and whoever considers himself, this is not Satoshi, and all the answers to the questions (why he did this or that action) can only be found from him, and not from  AI. This is a useless toy that has nothing to do with Satoshi.

Why do many perceive the answers of AI as a source of truthful information? This is no worse if I analyzed the information from a couple of other websites and gave answers to your questions. Not to mention that the information on these websites may deviate from the truth. AI works the same way.

I don't think Satoshi gave the forum to theymos directly.

I don't immediately recall what exactly happened, but I am confident to say that satoshi gave the forum to some other admin, theymos eventually became a moderator, and after some period of time, theymos became the head administrator of bitcointalk.

This appears to be a fun project, but generative LLMs are not good at stating facts. I am not sure exactly how the model that is being used on this site was trained, but I suspect it is likely the output may have a similar writing style as satoshi, but will not necessarily say something that satoshi would say. (there are sources other that satoshi's direct writings, so there may be many instances in which it will not match his writing style)

The content is not quite different from the title as it reads Nak-AI-moto not Nakamoto, indeed it was constructed to get your attention and I'm happy it did, that's what we should also learn as writers. However, A.I unfortunately is currently trending more than bitcoin and the community indeed needs developers that thinks outside the box to get people's attention. I love the idea and concept of the AI that's why I shared it here, because those guys spent time on this and they did it for the cryptocurrency community it looks unprofessional yes, but it serves one purpose, fun. And we are learned enough to understand that the AI is not Satoshi it all gets information from already existing contents, and the forum should learn to appreciate any work that has to do with the growth of bitcoin, regardless of who built the AI, as if they were members of this forum, they'll be appreciated too, I appreciate them it's worth it, that's their contribution and they can build it to learn more about bitcoin. Newbies can interact with that AI to learn new ideas since it has nothing to do with investment and critical against some altcoins.

Each thing has specific roles for human society and some are even useless. Bitcoin does it roles and AI. does it roles so no need for Bitcoin to chase AI. and Chat GPT as well as the likes.

"Is currently trending more than Bitcoin", please let it be. AI and Bitcoin belong to different product types, ecosystems so they don't overlap each other at least in my opinion. AI can die or can grow up more but let it be.

Honestly I don't think AI will die so let's think of examples from altcoins. Many altcoins are trending, more than Bitcoin, at some time points, but in a long run, Bitcoin is stronger and has better survival. In a nutshell, Bitcoin does not need to race with altcoins or AI.

A.I didn't start with chatgbt literally people loved the idea of learned bot where they can interact and ask questions. The Bitcoin community integrate Bitcoin in their shops and expect other institution to accept the technology, so is the idea of A.I, if the community is not flexible enough to utilize AI or chatbot to its usage they may lose out some potential investors as well. You are correct bitcoin don't need to chase after trends, but since it's open source anybody is free to chase the trend and nothing can be done about it. You sounded like Bitcoin is centralized in some way, people can do anything and tag it bitcoin that's the notion of being decentralized. Hence, if you don't want Bitcoin to chase AI maybe some other developers want to chase the trend and gain profits through it as well. However in 2017 when bitcoin price striked at 20k for the first time, I think so, it trended more than AI is trending today, and people who didn't know about it followed it up, nothing is wrong with AI. It's only wrong if used to write in the forum which is against rules, aside that AI is a welcomed technology I mean it's being studied in schools, and I don't see bitcoin as a rigid technology, it should be free to blend with other successful technologies. Cheers.

So what would I need to ask from AI bot that will give answers based on the keywords your entered from Satoshi point of view? We already know we have lot of stuff always going around considering Satoshi but do you really think this AI bot will give you real clarifications? He left the forum and bitcoin world with his choice and he knew it that bitcoin can survive without him because of decentralisation nature.

We are trying new experiments with AI bots but we need to ask ourselves whether we can rely on what they have said as in these cases but we should not have long discussions about it.You can check yourself what's the history of forum and read Satoshi's post on the forum to have an idea about his ideology.But the mystery remains still the same but do you think AI will have answers to that?

AI means artificial intelligence same way an artificial hand can't be compared to a real hand is same with AI and the brain. I don't see AI as anything except as a fun thing. AI can't be compared to a new born baby's brain, as their brain is far more intelligent than AI, and I want to ask can a new born baby answer those questions? No. So with the availablity of AI it's not something to see as too big to do something quite reasonable as answering correctly those questions, but it helps point out some articles where those things were written in the forum and other sites. Instead of spending loads of time searching for those answers, that Bot can help give answers according to the sources it was trained on. If more sources gets added it'll perform better and give better answers. I personally poked around that AI and like it, don't know how others view AI but for my knowledge in AI it's not a threat in any way and should be used as a funny Virtual Assistant to carry out some tasks.

So many things about Nakamoto are speculative because until now we cannot establish the identity and whereabouts of Satoshi and all the information available is being diluted by speculators, so if you're going to ask an AI, it's bound to give you inaccurate information.

So it's better when asking about Satoshi to go for a reliable source because there's a possibility that AI will extract the answer from a fake or a source that is just speculating.

That's exactly what I thought when I discovered this site...

To be honest, if I discovered BTC today, I'd rather take the little time I need to read the BTC White Paper + some messages from satoshi on bitcointalk or from  the mailing list, than waste my time with this AI. Why put a useless intermediary between sources of information that can be found and accessed online, and yourself? Why would you want GPT analysis for this subject? We already have good resources, who would want to potentially truncate them?
 
I don't know if the purpose of this site is just temporary entertainment, done to amuse the two developers, but I don't see any real interest or value in it.
Would you like to have access to the contents of Mastering Bitcoin and The Bitcoin Standard? That's easy! Just read them, and at least you'll have easy access to the info without endless loading times, and without a potential GPT analysis error.

I have a feeling that our poor Satoshi will be the object of attention for a few more lousy projects in the future  :D

I don't think the AI is able to figure out what was going on in Satoshi's head, it's just guesses made by the people who programmed the AI.

This is just a tool to satisfy the curiosity of people who ask a lot about Satoshi and wish to know what he was thinking, but in reality it is worth nothing because it is impossible for artificial intelligence or others to know what is going on in the head of any human being.

I agree with you, the chatbot is just to fulfill the fact that they is a chatbot for cryptocurrency question and answers. Most of the answers is just specifically copied from written contents by Satoshi and the concept that it begins answers, claiming it's Satoshi is the vibe behind the bot. Yes, It's difficult to get an AI that can say what's on somebody's head, especially when the person is not behind the engineering of that AI. Other than that it worth something in the sense that it helps people get answers regarding bitcoin. It covers different topics.

Um.. no. If the community has questions for Satoshi, they are... for Satoshi, not for impersonators, no matter how good, how intelligent or how automated they are.
I see this a handy tool for all current and future Satoshi impersonators, hence I don't expect this story have a happy ending...

I don’t see the point of handling over the control of the forum to theymos as way to make this forum controlled by the people since it’s still centralized to theymos management. There’s no difference if Satoshi is moderating here or theymos in contrary to the AI statement about Satoshi wants people to control like Bitcoin.

He is just planning to disappear completely for Bitcoin sake that’s why he needs to pass the management of the forum since this is not his priority.

They've tried physically by coming out to claim they are real Satoshi but couldn't succeed in their agenda, Now these AI tool could also be another means that they want to use to lure people into believing or thinking that this is true, it a clear handwork of those who have in one way or the other tried to impersonate Satoshi but failed and now coming out with this tool to feed people with lies. People can't just think again but gradually relying on AI tools to think for them.

If you read in-between lines, you will understand that the AI has no good information as regard Satoshi bequiting the forum to theymos. The AI works with information available on the internet and if you check very well, the information abou the transition of the forum from Satoshi to theymos is not easily found on the net and that is why the AI is not well informed.
The AI rather diverted to bitcoin and bitcoin network being decentralized rather than the question it was asked.

Op as you said if you asked the bot one or the same question in several time the bot will also answer you with different questions. A bot is always a bot. It will never acts like a man or human. People are just abusing Al all over the world. Even when you read from the op image one can notice that the bot is not even doing well for his answers. And one thing in this not with Al, before you know they will use it to scam people on the internet.

Why are people still responding to this topic? Nowadays, anyone can create AI with some basic tools. There are AI systems that are specifically designed to create AI for a particular industry and can even emulate a specific character if it is well-known. These AIs start with a basic image of a famous individual and use the internet to answer questions. I am not sure why the moderators are allowing such discussions on the forum. I recently saw another topic that asks what a user should do if given the job of the forum administrator. There are much better topics for discussion on this board. Let's become more active on those thread than this one.

Don't these guys ever quit?? Can I get to believe that peeps are actually getting subjected to informations gotten from Artificial intelligence? What a time to be alive...
These are relatively programmed informations from whatever source it is... I haven't seen it as "being reliable" just yet; I don't even think AIs would make accurate, ethical research or fact on Thier bot-base discretion....I don't
The reasons behind most things happening in the crypto world would still remain unknown or, better still interchanged for another fact since "PSEUDONYMITY" isn't recycling it's ambiguity to an ANTONYM any time soon too. Listen to the ones you're told; think about the untold without wavering until the time is right, when the truth will be let loose.

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If you are already tired of AI then you are in for a really rough future. There will likely come a point when AI users will surpass real humans on the internet. You won’t be able to tell the difference and they will likely all be programmed with agendas to scam you or collect information from you, etc. Reputation and being able to prove who you are digitally will become more and more important… You won’t be able to keep AI quiet.

Very funny and stupid that a person will build an AI to answer like Satoshi. Do we look like tomboys that would be cajoled to believe such cock and bull tales.
AI things does not fit into Satoshi  bitcoin affairs although it can function in another aspect of human activities but definitely not bitcoin.

At this stage, it would be nice for one to start getting acquainted with AI of a thing so as not to be left behind because there would be a time when the world would be on AI work force. So in other not to be outdated, one needs to upgrade to that point but for bitcoin related and wanting AI to answer like Satoshi, it definitely would not happen.
OP I think they should think of another Innovation to back on or make available more sustainable features for bitcoin that would be welcomed .

For me I see it as fun at least we have something to play around with looking at how artificial intelligence is dominating the industry and people especially the newbies might have been looking for something cool like this that would give them some xoll and misplaced answers about who the great Satoshi Nakamoto was. This is built by human like ourselves and it is the information available that the AI would give to us that intend using it for enquiries or for the fun.

very soon we are going to have AI for animals and somethings we might not have the idea about now. The artificial intelligence world is growing fast and I like the ways information is becoming easier to sought for without having to ask multiple questions on Google and not getting the actual answers that we want to see.

Sir, you know on the forum, there are users who abuse the use of this AI, despite that AI might be of good importantance in some areas of our daily life activities, but at least the forum is not really is support of using AI contents on the forum and that was the reason for my first response to OP, although the forum have not yet derived a better way to fight against the use of these AIs and like you have said, AI can not be kept quiet but at least for the mean time, I think users on the forum, both newbies and old members should learn to be dependent on the best information or education they can get from other expirenced memebers here, rather than relying on the AIs information which are some are roughly collected from wrong source that the AI has be designed to collect those information from.

I mean, if I know that Satoshi is the father of Bitcoin and also that he mined the first block, then I should be able to pass that information on to another Bitcoiner who needs it and not be dependent on some AI that can give me a biased reply, while I can get a more detailed explanation from a user here who has had the experience I am looking for.

There is one big difference between humans and the so-called AI, and the difference is that, when we humans have an experience, we can explain in detail to others about our experience, but the truth now is that an AI will not give you an answer or a solution based on experience. It's likely to be from others opinions or thoughts in the past.

I can utilize AI in every other aspect, as long as it doesn't pose any harm to what I am doing, but if I have comprehensive knowledge about something, mostly relating to Bitcoin, then I will not need to use the AI, and that's also if I can easily ask a more experienced member here to put me through it.

Every input the AI will give concerning Satoshi is not factual because so many things about Satoshi are not factual, AI can only give us facts when the facts are fully established, there's a possibility that other AI will not give the same input because the source where it extracts the answer may have different input, we can use it on other subjects where facts are fully established but I doubt when it comes to Satoshi Nakamoto.