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Hi, i tried this casino i found here in bitcointalk forum,

i signed up, made a deposit and tried to play to a slot....

results shown in casino statistics:

Total game played:  370
Total loss : 330
Total wins: 38

now im asking myself: how do the call this "provably fair?"
let me give you a little advice, stop playing to this S***, all online casino will
only cost you money an time, you will never win a dime in these places, and if you win,
you will lose it next time (doubled)..all games are programmatically set to steal your money...
they are not rigged by casino, there is no need to do it, they already born this way, directly
from the software company...period


Good Luck

Both online and physical casinos are built to be in their favor; it's business for them, and you are going to their business to feed them. You have to lose for them to win. But not everyone who goes in there will win; a few will win, and lots of players will fail.

"Eh no favor you no mean say eh no go favor the next person" What that simply means is that just because the game is not in your favor doesn't mean others didn't benefit from it.
 

Lol
I'm sorry it seems I'm  laughing  but the truth is that, these are exact similar cases and news allegations I always expect from people who try out a new casino and suddenly  makes losses because there is always this disbelief that the casino is provably fair and the player might want to investigate  into reasons why he made such losses.
At some points, there have been threads talking about how casino  slot games are been designed to have more house edge against the player and  with this been said, I think anyone who is doing well in slot shoukd count himself lucky.

Do you expect to only have winning bets? It's called gambling, nit always winning. I'm sorry you lost but trying to smear the casino because you lost is a childish move.

If you can't handle losing, you probably shouldn't gamble.

Seems like you are only going Online if you have something bad going to say against a certain casino because for all your 5 posts? 3 of them are attacking a casino site

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3336584;sa=showPosts

you have already a scam accusation to one online casino yet you managed to try doing it again now? are you truly a victim since you cannot provide a single proof aside from words , or are you a paid account to run against those casinos?

@OP it is normal for a slots to have a statistics like that especially when you are playing a high volatility to extreme volatility games but for more information, you could have stated the slots games you played so that we can determine if that statistics is normal. If you are playing games from NoLimitCity or Hacksaw, that statistic is normal because I have seen streams of bonus rounds where the streamer got 0x after the bonus round.

I have an experience playing with  slots by Playn' Go and the game named Moon Princess Trinity.  It is labeled high volatile and I got an experience where it gives 7 good consecutive hits out of 10 spins but often times it gives me 50 consecutive bad spins with 30 of them are dead spins and eventually hitting a bonus round that can recover my balance.  If I take the statistics, it would be close to your statistics but with some of them being bonus round triggered I am able to end up with a positive balance sometimes but obviously more often than not it resulted in a negative.

Looks like you are frustrated about your bets. Most of the gamblers know that the casino always win, they are not charity, they are business company so don't expect that you could win against them. Regarding the Punt, I personally wasn't tested the site though they don't have any bad reviews as far as I know.

This is what will happened if you can't control your emotions while playing gambling. You wanted to play and you expect to win, and when you lose you'll blame the gambling site.

You have no idea what is provably fair, if you know what is provably fair then you would have not connect it to the number of your winning/losing bets.
One more thing, you said that you play slot but AFAIK the slot in Punt comes from 3rd party providers which most of them has no clear provably fair system like the original games.
So you have just made 2 mistakes or you misunderstand 2 things here related to provably fair mechanism.
Even if you play slots with clear provably fair system, you may get even worse result if you are unlucky.
I guess you are a gambler who cant accept losses then you try to find a way to blame the casino.

This mean you're not understand what's the real of provably fair is.

Even though it's true house always win, but it doesn't mean if the casino set a program to steal your money. Provably fair means you can verify your bets using hash and node, this is random because they use SHA256. Each games has a house edge, this make the casino has a higher chance to win than you as a gambler, there's a difference between chance and programmed.

Provably fair doesn’t mean making you always a winner, you’re in a gambling and here there’s no guaranteed profit. Losing the money can’t tell the site a scam, not unless you have valid proof then we might support your claim.

Unfortunately, you are saying this because you didn’t win on that site, and that’s sad that you still think gambling as a way of making profit, which in reality its too risky.

This stats doesn’t make sense if you don’t indicate slot provider and it’s volatility because that’s give a huge impact on the percentage of your win/loss ratio. I’m wondering how do you count loss over win on slot games because it’s consider a winning bet too even if small profit, You just trigger smaller payout.

This stats pretty normal when playing a slot game with low hit ratio or high volatility. Don’t expect a 50/50 percentage or close to that on slot because it’s payout is random. You can recover all your losses with just 1 spin with big multiplier.

From where did you come and realized a casino platform will give you more opportunities than themselves? I am sorry to say either someone led you to understand that you can make a fortune by gambling or you are acting smart. The house, I mean the online casino you are questioning would always do what they are built to do. In simple text, if you do not understand gambling then keep out of it. You are either someone who is new to gambling or someone planted to create this thread.

The volatility of the slot and the hit rate has an important role on the win/loss ratio. I have similar experience like you in the high volatility slots game. If I'm not wrong, then Punt.com has considered all those bets as losing bets which multiplier was between 0.10× to 0.99×. There is nothing wrong with your statistics, but I know how it feels after having such losing streak. Anyway, you should update your ANN thread title with the theme of your post.

This is the sign that you need to stop playing any online casino since this already cost a lot of stress to you. Much better if you focus your energy on other valuable things since ranting cannot do anything and will not convince any people who's still enjoying to play on any casino. Although I understand your frustration since many experience it, this is also the reason why we should not expect to win any huge amount since this will happen to us. 

Just enjoy the game and you will find it entertaining.

If you feel you are experiencing a losing streak, you should stop playing, not continue playing until your money runs out, you can't blame the casino completely because they will answer like that, why do you continue playing if you really feel it's unfair. I don't defend the casino either, but it seems you are wrong if you blame the casino without any evidence such as screenshots or anything else.

I think beginner accounts are not easy to trust here because you might make false accusations to bring down certain casinos, so that's why everyone won't believe you here, but when you play gambling then you lose it doesn't seem worth it if you drop the name of the casino let alone insult the name of the casino certain. be mature and accept defeat, when you gamble you should already know the risks.  ;) ;)

That's unfortunate. However, it thus happen to a lot of players... This is gambling at the first place, sometimes we win many times, sometimes not. That's how it works. If we will talk about the probability, we have lower chance of winning over the house.

Hmmm... I am curious... What do you actually mean of "games played"?

I am usually one to advocate for the high potential for casinos to be unfair and unjust in any way that they can get away with. However, this is a pretty weak case. Posting your statistics of wins/losses with no inclusion of balance movements or the amount won in those wins, bet size, etc, renders the whole post useless. Without sufficient data, no one will believe or take your claim seriously. In case you aren't aware as well, slots generally have the worst house edge out of all other games, so you can't be surprised with these results.

@OP accused the casino because of stupid reason without a proof which is clear no one will believe him. This is different with someone accuse a casino with a proof, although he can give many proofs but he don't want to admit if he was broke the casino terms, and then it's all about conflict words vs words.

@OP shit can happen, even it looks unfair to you, but if you can verify every of your bets, you can't argue anymore.

I think his concern is more on the significant difference of the number of losses to the win on his bets which is ironic because he is using a slot game an example that has a very random winning percentage that no one here can predict how slot games code really work.

I experience more terrible result than that on a high volatility slots by hacksaw, nolimit and one touch. It burns me 50$ for a tons of 0.1$ spin while winning only 2$ as highest profit on that total spin. Game like slot is very unpredictable, OP is dumb enough to conclude that the casino is slot with that result on a slot game. Slot players will strongly disagree on this thread.

OP, definitely, in every game, there must be a winner and there must be a loser. Therefore, you must be prepared to face whatever the outcome is irrespective of what the stake is that is why it is called a provably fair game.

Do not forget that the main aim of every organization is to make profit. So if  you claim the gambling 
organization design softwares to favor them I have no  doubt over it so you should expect it because that is the main aim of organizations to make profit.

It's really very stressful to play gambling that depend on luck but there's nothing you can do to change that result, in a few days it's possible that people get luckier and manage to hit a big multiplier, but even when the person when this person hits a large multiplier, when looking at the statistic, you will see that he had many losses and few victories, but as this person was lucky enough to hit a large multiplier, then this person is in profit, for example if in your case with these statistics you had hit a big multiplier

you wouldn't be irritated with these statistics, you would be celebrating at that moment, so if you keep playing solts that are things that depend on luck, you shouldn't be complaining with these numbers and you shouldn't look at the game as a source of income or profit, because you can already see that the chances of hitting a big multiplier are very small, out of 370 games you only had 38 hits, so it's a very small number of hits and a big sign for you not to see the game as something profitable because it's not profitable, if you had continued to play you would not have changed this losing trend

Don't know if Punt.com provide provably fair proof of every game you gamble, but some good sites will give you this proof and you can verify whether the bet was provably fair or not.

Also, you mentioned that you played over 300 games and lost most of them. Does at any time you decided to play at another casino to see the results? Better play at some other casino and see if your losing streak is similar as in punt site.

Finally, keep in mind, that gambling is for fun purposes, and you have to pay the money to have fun. Winning is gambling is your luck, don't think that you will always win in gambling.

It is commonly said that the story of a hunter and a lion being written by the hunter himself, will always glorify the hunter, same also with gambling casinos, I've said it here on the board multiple times that slot games are really the means through which casinos generate cool money, sports betting dont give them as much money because there are people who are crazily good at sports betting and will win most of the times, there has to be money always available to pay such people, and slot games are really a way to generate such money..

Provably fair to me is just word of the mouth or a written word, because there is no way to truly verify that a game is indeed fair, even when there is a verification method made available by the casino, what is the assurance that even the verification method is not manipulated?

^I thought provably fair is transparent and can be individually verified.
I saw a thread here before but I did not find it now explained provably fair how to verify and I think, that is the way how to prove that the gambling casino that uses provably fair is not manipulated. Because for me, provably fair refers to a system or algorithm that provides verifiable evidence and transparency, ensuring that the outcome of a process, such as a game or random event, is unbiased and not manipulated.
However, the most common problem is the gambler who did not know how to verify the provably fair system that uses by the casino.

EDIT: Here is a thread we must know as a gambler.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5227525.0

Well, yeah, I wish you found the said thread, I would have loved to read up on that and possibly learn how to verify a game Is truly fair on the player and the casino as well, but regardless, I will google this and find out later.

Now, looking at the data op shared concerning punt, I think from such data, we all can agree that their system or games rather, are not provably fair, because I find it rather hard to believe that out of 370 games played, 330 is lost and just 38 won - this is assuming the data shared it correct.
It shows clearly that something is not right with this casino, and I think it is even a mistake they made to allow users see this data, because I know for sure that me as a gambler, will never play on a casino after seeing a game data as this on the casino, something is clearly not right.

This sound and look so sarcastic because I don't expect you to keep winning all the time likewise other members too because the casino must win at some point and that is what keeps them in business. Casino generate their revenue from the losses of players and that is why their probably systems are set to favor the house against the gamblers, so it is what it is you have to move on and face your losses instead of blaming it a on punt.

I can understand him in a way. He thought after 400 bets his result will be around 200 wins and 200 losses. I fell into that thinking once when I played dice and suddenly got a streak of 12 lost rolls.
Not much you can do about it, but take the loss and learn that there's no rule saying you have to be 50/50 here.

OP, just look at top winners in any casino and you'll see that only a few players have positive ratings after a fer hundred games.
I don't know Punt.com, so I can't say much about the casino itself, but the numbers don't mean a thing. It's not a coin toss game.

obvious that he does not understand the reality of gambling online than in casino houses . they are looking for the truth of what we called probability of fairness but they don't look on what is happening inside .

accept that truth mate , Gambling is for the site to earn and for us gamblers to win ? then that is a so much small chances of getting there .

don't be hurt about the statistics as long as you are enjoying the game.

first you have problem with betpenguin here

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5401022.msg60269419#msg60269419

then in LTC casino

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5453309.msg62267996#msg62267996

and now here in Punt.com.

seems like you are just online each time that you have issue .

That's what a bad gambler does, they lose and think they'll come here and cry to try to hurt a casinos reputation. Fortunately for the casino, noone pays attention to the trash these guys spew.

Is this a negative review or a scam accusation? Or maybe both? Were you expecting a 50:50 win/lose ratio for the casino games to be "probably fair"? Maybe you are right. Maybe the casino games are truly rigged(by the casino or by the software company).
Maybe that's why all casinos always win. On the other hand, gambling is supposed to be played for fun, not for making money.
If you have this "I have to make money from the casino at all cost" mindset, you won't be having any fun.
The gambling industry is just a part of the entertainment industry, not some easy magical way to make money.

It appears theres a bit of a misunderstanding about the concept of "provably fair." The phrase doesn't necessarily imply you're guaranteed a win, it refers to the transparency of the gambling process. Each roll, deal, or spin you're making is demonstrably random and not manipulated by the house.

Certainly, the odds in most casino games favor the house - its called the house edge. This is how casinos make money. It's not a secret or an evil scheme; it's the business model. For players, the fun comes from the chance, however small, of beating the odds.

Please note that gambling should be viewed primarily as a form of entertainment, not a reliable source of income. Winning is a bonus, and losing is the norm. Always play responsibly, betting only what you can afford to lose. Gambling, when viewed this way, can be an enjoyable activity without leading to the frustration you've expressed.

Truly casino generates their revenue from most games that ends at loss from their clients and this they have been using to sustain their casino daily. OP should not expect a 100% win or a 50/50 win as it is near impossible to be a reality. Same way OP is wanting to do his/her critical thinking, same way the casino management is doing theirs to remain relevant and on the mainstream too. In as much as both parties  are trying to make an ends meet, each are bound to make loss as well. So therefore the game must in every atom of transparency be a provably fair game so that no one cheats each other.

Do you have other hobbies, I ask to you.

Last week I went to the cinema, what a bad movie, at least it was a pleasant evening with my wife, we had a good time, I complained a little before because the combo that I always buy of popcorn + soda had gone up in price, but incredibly later I didn't I care helped me weigh the unpleasantness of the movie...

Everything was not bad, I spent a very pleasant night, dinner was good, it was an incredible three hours, except for the movie, oh, yeah! but it what is left for us later, the funniest thing, commenting on how bad movie it was... sometimes we comment more on the movies bad than good. In any case there will always be an opportunity for another good movie.

In betting there are usually always bad movies, I had a friend who believed that if he went to the Premium cinema the movies would always be better, in fact it doesn't happen to you that sometimes even though you know that the movies are bad you end up watching it...

With bets the moral is not very different, I'm sorry for you that you can't enjoy visiting a casino, you would have spent that "x$" that you lost in a consultation with a psychologist or maybe you should look for other ways to entertain yourself.

We can't go to the movies and start fantasizing that we'll be the next Brad Pit, well it's possible, why not? but your common sense gives you that possibility.

Anyway, I hope you get the point. May you have better profits next time, or perhaps less losses, although leaving breakeven is useful.

OK,

just to clarify myself, i just wanted to say what i wrote,
that gambling (especially online) is useless, as all online casinos
will always win on the player. ALWAYS!!!

It was a suggestion to the gamblers, i dont consider myself a gambler, i
usually gamble once a month, and little amount.

As some of you pointed out "hey man, this is gambling..don't blame the casino.."

this is a stupid statement, in my opinion, if someone goes to a casino, (online or not) they go there to win, not to almost always to lose.
if it's true that casinos have an advantage over the player, its also true that one can't always lose (which is exactly my case)

I have made 5 deposits in total on punt.com, I have never gone over the amount deposited, in all the casinos I have visited over time the same thing has happened ... it is true that someone lucky wins but they are very few, the percentage of those who loses is very high and the rest goes to the casino ... for this reason I say that playing is totally a waste of time and money, you are only giving money to these people, who often take advantage of the fact that someone is a gambling addict (which fortunately is not my case)

This is my 2 cents

The results of the game depend on the selected software and slots. Of course, the advantage is always on the side of the casino, but still, in order to increase the chances of winning, you need to be able to choose high-quality slots

That sounds funny depending on the software and slots, are you new to playing slot machines, so to say that, gambling machines do not require strategy and almost purely rely on luck, so want whatever slot machine is played if the dealer doesn't give a win it will be difficult to get money of the gaming machine no matter the software used or the high quality of the slots.

I think before gambling we should first understand the risks that even we gamble will lose money, therefore there is no need to complain about any defeat because it will be considered strange and funny, after all we have all even experienced more defeats than OP but never made a thread like this, make it experience and always play wisely so we don't get greedy so we don't lose a lot of money because we don't limit it nor control it.

For this reason, it is highly recommended to make a deposit and bet at a casino that you are just getting to know with minimal funds and ask friends about gambling sites that you know, then you need additional information about betting and so on at the casino, so that when you lose you don't get dizzy and fussy.

Remember, betting experience and casino reputation are very important for you to learn and know, aiming to increase your bet, it is not recommended to make large deposits for casinos that are new to you, in the future if you are interested in a new casino, try to bet as low as possible so you don't lose big, don't put greed and hallucinations to get big wins, it might end dramatically.