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As the title suggested, to understand the potential BTC blockchain. what is necessary to know about BTC. is it how a block is formed and what is its architecture, or to know the algorithms behind the encryption of addresses and blockchain smart contracts. OR do we have to get familiar with the use cases of the BTC blockchain like how one can not tamper with it? I think not! we must know another thing which is the following:

If we really wanted to understand the potential of BTC or BTC blockchain then we have to understand the current flaws in the financial system currently run by banks. This means we have to get familiar with the working of the banking sector and get to know how they are manipulating us to think that they are our only hope to manage our funds. But I think they are not our only hope and source to place our money. Instead, we are the only hope to which they lived for so many years.

If I took my own example, i didn't come to know about the truth behind the banking sector, how they manipulate the money deposited in their wallets so that they could make more money by giving loans to others from our money, etc., etc. Until I came to know about BTC/Blockchain. If we really want to know how banks are making money (which you can learn from the following thread)

• How do banks generate income? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5452792.0)

Then you will understand the potential BTC blockchain has and how it will free you from the only hope of the Banking sector which they had put inside our brains from very long ago.

The point is, Get the knowledge of Banking sector how they make money, how they manipulate our money, how they are using our money for their own purposes, why we should trust them, is there any other way to manage our finances. What's the essence of depending only on the banking sector? Why we have been taught only about Banks as the only way to store, send, receive, and borrow money?
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What Potential Does BTC Have?
1.We can send, receive, borrow, and store BTC. Example of how BTC is better than the Banking sector.

• Bitcoin continue to safe life in the face of financial crisis (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5450656.0)

well, i had read many other real-life scenarios here on the BTT but during writing, only this one came to my mind i will add more once i remember them.

2.We can remain anonymous while hiding our real identity which is not possible in banks. So that's how we will save ourselves from debit/credit card offers from the banks. We would save ourselves from all the offers or i would say phishing offers by banks to borrow money or lend money to earn more interest etc. which will sink our money. other than this, we will save many other offers coming directly or indirectly from the banking sector, how do they know about our current financial situation? Because they have our whole information and they know about us but here on the BTC blockchain that's not an option.

3.BTC blockchain is decentralized and i know even the newbies know this, that Decentralization is the only thing for which BTC has been made (if I am not wrong about the financial crisis of 2008 in which the centralization of banks becomes a reason of all banks collapsed I know the other reasons too but i am just writing the whole story in one statement).

4.BTC Blockchain provides us the level of security that banks don't because there is no single vault or wallet where all the money is placed. There is no single entity owning the whole BTC blockchain that could run away with all the money (Rug Pull). BTC blockchain is tamper-proof while the banking sector still has many back doors even in the age of modernization.
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Banks also came to know the potential of BTC That's why they are:

As i said, That's why they are launching their own CBDC or many other shits (like ETFs) to control the whole interest of users shifting towards decentralization. Because the banks are not from like 100 years old or 200 years old they exist for thousands of years and how such an organization (even if they have not formed a collude) will let this power slip away of controlling the money of others? So, to shift the interest of people of 3 types. Towards

The one who knows about crypto (as a newbie)
The one who did;nt know about the crypto
The one who is already into deep down of Crypto sea. (Pro)

Towards centralization which is framed as decentralization as they had pictured the whole thing as decentralization (ETFs) but those who knew are against it and know that this will only hurt the main purpose of BTC/Blockchain.

Conclusion
Overall, I would like to say, if we knew about the flaws in our current financial system then we could easily understand the potential BTC/Blockchain is holding. Many topics were made here on BTT asking how one could start to teach another (newbie) about BTC? and many have shared their opinions but here is mine to them. To understand the BTC find why it was made against the current Financial system and why the current financial system doesn't like it. What do they afraid of?

I will agree with you while comparing bitcoin with fiat, but know that to have anonymity while using bitcoin, you need to use Tor with your noncustodial wallet.

Using IP address makes you not anonymous because centralized server operator that your wallet is using can know your addresses and your IP addresses. Also your internet service provider can know that you are connecting to certain sites and that you are using certain apps.

To have privacy, if you want more than anonymity, you need to use full client like Bitcoin Core with Tor. For anonymity, use SPV wallet that support Tor, like Electrum and connect it with Tor.

For privacy and anonymity, there are sometimes that you will need to use a mixer and the use of coin control is very important.

I guess that is true. But they are failing because people will only adopt CBDCs as fiat and it will remain to be fiat too. CBDCs are fiat and nothing more about them. Unlike bitcoin that has more to offer like full control and investment.

Bitcoin is not against anything, but just an alternative. It is superior to fiat and better.

But I like that people need to depend on fiat, because without the inferior, there will not be a superior. Let the fiat keep depreciating but bitcoin should continue to appreciate.

You need to explain more when you want to say Bitcoin is decentralized and privacy oriented.

Most of people only know the surface, they know Bitcoin is decentralized, no one can control, pseudonymous, etc. But they still didn't hide their IP address or only use free VPN, they leave their coins on CEX, they're not run full node, they don't know what is mixer and which mixer is the best for privacy etc.

One mistake will ruin everything especially about privacy.

In short, bitcoin doesn't offer to hide user's identities. Bitcoin just doesn't need user's identities to work, so how well privacy goes is up to the user maintaining it.


I agree with both, and actually they are causal. Because blockchain is an interpretation of decentralization, it has many advantages, one of which is security from several risks.

Bitcoins true potential is in its use case. Many users tend to expose about their Bitcoin holdings, how much they earn in bitcoin, how much they posses in their wallet. Slowly when these users start spending it to those known people then it start connecting the dots further with the blockchain being public and all the transaction history being preserved. One can trace back to that first owner easily and could be unrealistic to think what might happen.

Now this is what makes Bitcoin “pseudonymous” in nature.

If a full privacy is needed then we have mixers all over the internet now. With little fees we can easily get full safety of our Bitcoins.

That is what people needs to understand. “How to be private and use Bitcoin to its fullest”.

Privacy and anonymity require many practical steps to achieve. Bitcoin can not help you get it if you don't have appropriate practice which only can be achieved if you have good knowledge about Bitcoin wallets, coin controls, inputs, outputs, full node and Tor connection.

So depends on your need to have privacy and anonymity, you must have different practices.

This is great , however, we must not forget that, both centralized and Decentralized financial system work hand in hand, the difference is that users get more control when it comes to bitcoins and they escape the gruesome cheat of banks. We still look forward to mass adoption of bitcoins across the world, When bitcoins becomes a well accepted means of payment across the world, it will become easy  for transaction to take place on every crook and cranny.

I have that point of view before that it's really made to be against the fiat system. But everything is being set and changes that it's a great alternative instead of having that view that it should be against.

And the government is afraid of it due to the fact that they have no control over it. That's all that they're thinking of and that's why they're against to it.

Other than that, they have to recognize the power of the people and this is what Bitcoin is all about that has made a financial disruption and they need to realize that.

On of the prime thing that needs to be remembered is the limited supply. The limited supply increases the demand, if not as an alternative this could've never been a success. The BlockChain technology is the backbone, but the same couldn't have brought big success. Whether things function centralised or decentralised, it is all about the demand that makes bitcoin even more potential. We must know the process behind the generation of each and every bitcoin. Only then people will come to know better about it.

Most people are simply incapable of explaining Bitcoin correctly. The right move for 99% of people is to simply point people to the right content and direction instead of trying to teach such a complex concept to people.

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I think that what OP posted is enough explanation, the other stuff it should be an individual discovery and research so that way, we can form more opinions thus creating more discussions. Regarding VPN, even if it's a paid one, you can't use it to truly hide your location, yes you can mask your IP address but that's about it, your ISP still knows your real IP address and not to mention that you still have your geolocation so even if you hide your IP, the smart ones will still be able to find you. The things that you want the casual people to do are not basic stuff and not everyone has the interest or time to do those things.

I think that in life we ​​will still need fiat currency which is of course centralized but of course to improve the economy we also need bitcoin which is of course decentralized.

I think to better understand the potential of btc i.e. have to look at the potential of btc in the future due to the limited supply of btc and the increasing adoption rate of btc.

I agree with the advice you give. Because conducting analysis and research related to assets that will be used as investments, is an important thing to do. Why do all of this have to be done, so that we can know more deeply about the reasons and uses for these assets (bitcoins) to be created. But studying the systems related to bitcoin, it is also very important. Because learning like the blockchain and about all the systems that run on bitcoin, it is also not to be missed. Because if you study bitcoin only from the point of view of where it was made and from the point of view of its use, in my opinion it is not good. So the point is to learn as a whole about bitcoin (in terms of the system and in terms of history), so that everything becomes more perfect, when you want to invest or trade in bitcoin.


Studying the systems that run in banks to better understand the systems that run on bitcoins, indeed doing this, will definitely better understand the systems that run on bitcoins.
Because by doing this, the point is to be able to compare, between the systems that apply in banks and in bitcoin.
But in my opinion, this can be done (if you want) and if you don't do it, that's okay. Because this is done only to measure how good the system implemented by bitcoin is.


That's right, because actually it is the customers who make the bank able to benefit and be able to run all the systems they implement. Because without customers, the bank will not be able to benefit, let alone progress. So in essence, the bank cannot boast, because actually the bank cannot do anything when there are no customers.

Bitcoin has the potential to make people see banks as less important. It can reduce business for the banks and even take them out of business, so they will not gladly be welcoming to it. Some old technology that existed and have been replaced by modern one were very important before until better alternatives came and took over, it is an unavoidable thing. The current financial system is much different from other technologies that have been easily replaced in the past because it is under the control of the government still existing, and it is for a purpose and benefit to them. Bitcoin is a challenge to that, that is why they do not like it.

Bitcoin is not 100% anonymous, because people re-use Bitcoin addresses and this creates opportunities for people to break that pseudo anonymity that Bitcoin offers. The moment when you pay for something with Bitcoin and that item is linked to a senders identity, then it destroys your anonymity.

Bitcoin's underlying technology are decentralized, but the wrong configuration of full nodes and the wrong use of these nodes, can compromise the system. (We saw how attempts were made during the Bitcoin fork to undermine the voting process, by spinning up loads of AWS (fake) nodes.

You can't borrow bitcoin as banks do borrow money from you and lend to others, if you have your money you can exchange it to bitcoin or best means to have this is to earn bitcoin just as you earned your regular fiat currency when you get paid for something, so i will like to put it this way that bitcoin will not put you into the mess of indebtedness, it will rather erace your mentality from such to learn how to work for and earn finances than relying on institutions to borrow you, if you have your own money, you can go decentralized but if it's not yours, you're under centralized authorities.

We can borrow BITCOIN, but not from banks. We can buy it from another person in p2p trade. But most of the BTC lender charge interest with high or lower rates. Which i do not promote. Because interest will lead one to usury which is not good for the social life of one. And also its an immoral work.

After showing my feelings towards interest, and usury, you might think, the thread i am going to mentioned now, that i am against it. So, no hard feelings. But people are borrowing in BTC means people can borrow BTC.

• Lending Service Started! (USDT/BUSD/BTC/LTC/ETH/DOGE/ETC)! (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5030169.0)

I think that a wiser approach to acknowledging potential in bitcoin, is to take advantage of the disadvantages of the banking sector, rather than to replace it, as you make it sound like. Governed by corrupted politicians, arbitrary fee charges, limited accessibility and privacy invasion are a few from the top of my head.

I agree with the op's general idea. The potential of Bitcoin as a currency shines if one understands the issues with banks and fiat, and knows that Bitcoin is truly different. The fact that your funds can't be frozen, and you can send and hold money without anyone's approval, using a non-custodial wallet, is a big thing, but only if a person knows how much oversight banks have.
But to many people, Bitcoin's potential as an investment is much more interesting, and to estimate that, I think one needs to be familiar with the main adoption stories and the price chart.

What a fervent critique you have just delivered against the banking system! Its like the passionate discussions we used to have in college over cups of coffee, except the subject matter has changed. Is there something broken about the way banks operate? Absolutely! But heres the thing: these institutions provide us with a stable infrastructure, which is why we are here to air our grievances. Haha, isnt it great?

Your perspective is interesting, yet its quite binary. Understanding BTC requires moving beyond simple either/or choices. The Bitcoin blockchain is an attempt to test out a new approach to money as well as a protest against traditional financial institutions. A beautiful illustration of human ingenuity at work!

Its really entertaining to debate these issues. Finally, we're here to discuss the inner workings of our respective monetary systems. The might of the human mind is on full display here.

Bitcoin and fiat are obviously designed as a currency, but the difference is that fiat is centralized which is totally controlled by the government while bitcoin is a decentralized currency which enables you to have the full control over your own coins. Hence, anonymity and privacy is more realized especially if you are a big time bitcoin buyer and seller. However, all the potentials of bitcoin will end up useless if the user alone is not knowledgeable or familiar enough on how to use it at its high advantage. That’s the reason why bitcoin is not used by everyone because some refused to be educated believing that fiat is more than enough compared to bitcoin.

Almost every single person who uses or have invested in Bitcoin understands the potential it carries and how much beneficial it is for us, but a lot of people are still ignoring the facts and figures that prove Bitcoin's actual potential and instead, they argue that banks and traditional financial systems are the best when deep inside, they know that they are wrong and banks and traditional financial institutions are nothing more than centralized manipulators.

However, as we move into the future, more and more people will start realizing the potential of Bitcoin and how useful it is as compared to banks or other traditional financial systems. I say that because I have confidence about Bitcoin and I know that it will prove people wrong in the long run.

However, in the field, the presence of Bitcoin has not found its place and is not allowed to thrive due to the government's complete control over the media. So, even though the product might be beneficial for the general populace, the government may not be willing to adopt it, as it might not yield profits for them.

Alternatively, there could be certain shortcomings that prevent Bitcoin from being integrated into the current governmental system. Its volatility, for instance, has the potential to create economic disparities when utilized for official transactions.

Totally agreed with your point, But let me ask you something, every crypto related project like take an example of Silk Road in which Government of US has seized 69,370 BTC and another example 94,640 BTC were seized from Bitfinex. (source (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5452300.0)).

And you might have seen the current news, in which they are regularly selling those seized BTC but in batches. Now tell me where that profit or money going after selling BTC. Is it do not indicates that they (governments) are making money.

Why they are not adopting BTC. It might not because they can not control it because IMHO they can control it that's why we all are saying they have manipulated the market. Does manipulating the market does not fall under the controlling category. Well, moving back to topic, they are not adopting it because they are already making money out of it by seizing huge amounts of BTC and they also not wanted other companies to move out of the US because they could set up there empire in there and after some time when they grew a lot, By finding a small loophole or using some legislation they could seize that money too.

2.This is partially true, because centralized crypto exchanges(that require KYC verification) are still a thing.

3.This is true.

4.Bitcoin/crypto security(in a cold wallet) is a bit different than holding money in a bank account, mostly because the user is 100% responsible for keeping the coins in his own cold wallet safe. That way, you can't blame anyone else for you own mistakes.
Bitcoin/crypto security when it comes to using centralized crypto services(and their hot wallets) is basically the same as leaving your money in the bank and hoping that the bank won't steal your precious savings. ;D

CBDCs are an idea of the central banks, not the commercial banks. The central banks want more control and more control means less decentralization. CBDCs cannot be truly decentralized.

To understand the Potential of Bitcoin, it is also to find how important it is in our life and on our daily activities otherwise, we can't see any appreciation of it.

What we must know;
- do people are using it? Or just for investment?
Because we already know that Bitcoin is a good investment but it wasn't just like considering that it was created as an alternative currency, therefore, we use this not only for investment but as a currency as well. Or we really don't get what is this meant for.

Our privacy is in our hands,bitcoin has given privacy to us but if we don't practice how to remain anonymous when using bitcoin,we can be traced through IP addresses or through CEx. Just as @Charles-tim said using Tor to connect your wallet gives privacy and makes you anonymous.

The government are looking for how they can divert their citizens mind away from bitcoin by creating their own CBDC to enable them still have full control of their citizens financial activities,but they have seen that it isn't working because their coins is centralized and is the opposite of bitcoin. This has made the citizens to still believe in bitcoin due to its potential values. Banks are in business that is why they extort us and use our money to make profit without our knowledge. The fact is that we can't do without fiat because it is controlled by the government.

This is what governments like and want to do but they will not succeed to control their citizens completely. Their citizens have rights and choices so they will not choose CBDCs to use for their fund transfers. Not all citizens will pick CBDCs and because governments can not completely observe and block their citizen activites, there will be areas governments are unable to control.

Banks, central banks are centralized and they can either seize our funds or censor our transactions. With Bitcoin decentralized network, no censorship and you only need to have bitcoin and use enough good fee rate to have confirmations.

Well i don't know the kind of bitcoin borrowing scheme people will engage doing without fetching them an interest for doing that, also for someone like me, honestly i don't think i can recommend someone for taking bitcoin loan if paraventure one exist, loan will hodl you down form making achievement in whatever you're doing and the little you could earn and safe will still be diverted on loan, also options like this should not be presented to newbies who are just being introduced to bitcoin except for the experienced bitcoiners who already know how to manage risk and investment.

I totally agree with your point that banks are in business using our money and that's what i also trying to emphasized here. This CBDC and ETFs and other things are more like a centralized version of cryptocurrency and BTC respectively. That's why many people like me are against such things (not like enemy type but do not like such ideas).  That's why people should know that these things are the centralized version of BTC and Alts and they should avoid them not indorse them.

Even such schemes are presented to newbies (if you are also referring to the newbies (rank) here on BTT) then those newbies can not apply for that loan because the lender has set some rules and requirements. From which i can say, newbies, members can not borrow BTC.

And if you are referring to all the newbies other than BTT rank, then definitely we should not do that. Instead i think we should teach them the bad impact of borrowing. Either its the borrowing of BTC or Fiat. Many topics on this issue have been made on BTT and many members have suggested some books, and opinions. But the one thing remains in all of the answers is: we should teach them, give them the knowledge of borrowing's bad impact on social and personal life.