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Is there a possibility to fix Neutral Trust?

I recently ran into the bad thing that is Neutral Trust on my Topic or posts, and that's because
I use ChatGPT. I fully realize and acknowledge that I use ChatGPT, but I do
I don't know if using ChatGPT or something like that can affect my account, for example getting Neutral Trust.
I'm really sorry for my mistake, ignorance makes me so regretful, In the future I will
be really careful to post or create Threads/Topics on this very special Forum.
I've found this forum an excellent place to share information, and I really feel that way
kinship and brotherhood in this forum. From that I want to ask for the opinion and help of all my friends,
Please give me advice or a way to improve the Neutral Trust that I'm experiencing, Thank you all friends.

First move your topic to Reputation board.

I just did a quick scan through the thread where your post were reported as an AI generated post and I couldn’t find any of your reply there either denying or agreeing to the report and now that you have made this post it means you have really agreed to the fact that you really used AI to generate post.

You should start your appeal from the thread where your post were reported (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5456516.msg62543344#msg62543344), although the chance of you getting your neutral tag removed as at now is very slim.

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I was actually referring to this appeal thread of yours not the AI generated thread.

Move this thread to reputation board, that’s the appropriate board for post like this.

Thanks for your help my Bro. I hope it will be solved. Really Thanks again friend.

here it is : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5459577.0

Since you explained that you did use AI to generate post as I have read in your thread, you better stop doing it. As for your neutral trust score is it won't be easy to make the neutral trust removed. Try to appeal your situation to the one who give you that neutral trust and see if he will remove it. As Cantsay said, the chance of it getting removed is slim because using AI is very much the same as plagiarism since it is not your own work that you have submitted as your own. I advice you to stop using AI because in the future you may get negative trust instead of neutral trust score.

Firstly you don’t have to wait for moderators to help you delete your own post or replies. You can simply just delete it by yourself. You can see the button here

 https://talkimg.com/images/2023/08/11/G5Kx1.jpeg

Unfortunately, It can't be, I tried but it says :  https://prnt.sc/ZBL2wbdTOPS8

Thanks for you advice my Friend. Sure I will not used any AI or plagiarism type for my posts. Hope it will be removed soon, already make an appeal. Thanks for your reply my friend.

OP, what are you doing? You're linking to an AI-created topic instead of just blocking it.
Cantsay suggested that you open a separate thread to resolve your issue. But you resurrect an old thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5459577.msg62564284#msg62564284), and then you write, quoting the big post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5456516.msg62678219#msg62678219) in the thread where your AI bug was discovered. And now another topic for the newbies.
Why so many? Close this topic too; it is enough to write once where you were caught, but you were silent until the need made you scream all over the forum.

It is possible, but due the reason that you got yours it won't be easy at all as you would have to prove that you changed and that you are not chatbot shitposter anymore and that takes time and effort on your side.

Ignorance is not a valid excuse and you should feel lucky that you only ended up with neutral tag as plagiarism (and use of Chatgpt isn't plagiarism indeed) is usually punished by forum ban.

Neutral trust or negative trust received from a forum member, if you don't want to see it, distrust that user in your Trust list.

Their trust feedback on your account will only be visible with default trust if the member is in DT. If he is not in DT, it will be hidden in Untrusted feedback and you even don't need to add that user in your trust list with ~.

LoyceV's Beginners guide to correct use of the Trust system (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5191802.0)

Still the user can get temporary ban if enough post gets deleted for AI posting

And for anyone who wonders we can report the AI posts as zero value posts then yes, and the post will get deleted from my personal experience.

He is really lucky to just have a neutral tag and am not sure it's done.

Honestly count yourself lucky that it only went as far as neutral trust, because if you think about it using AI to generate posts for the forum can easily be categorized as some kind of plagiarism as far as am concerned, and in the future ..I see AI generated posts to be having a different outcome if found guilty for it!!

Besides, neutral trust isn't as bad as it sounds because people have done good things and received neutral trust for it, so for now you shouldn't be bothered about it unless its negative trust you got, otherwise welcome to the neutral trust club  8)

Of course. I've added another one. You're welcome.

You've got this completely wrong! Somehow, you think the neutral feedback is the bad part, instead of wasting everyone's time posting plagiarism from chat bots! You don't seem to understand how disrespectful it is to spam an online community with ai diarrhea.
If I'd want to read data from a bot, I'd go to the bot. Welcome to my ignore list. I'm glad I've never Merited you before.

You're using a lazy spam bot to earn money, and now regret getting caught.

There's nothing "excellent" about sharing spam from a spam bot.

I've just improved it from "+0 / =1 / -0" to "+0 / =2 / -0". Maybe other users can further improve it, "+0 / =6 / -0" would look so much better.

That's why you should always read the feedback, instead of only looking at the number. OP just applied to Royse777's anti AI campaign. The neutral feedback makes it easy for the campaign manager to reject such spammers.

I have seen people getting banned for using AI generated posts, how about that? You still just received a Neutral Trust which doesn't make any negative impact on your profile. That trust left by the guy is actually showcasing others that this user did something wrong at one point of time. This will be your learning and when you come back and look at it after years, you will realize how foolish it was to copy content from AI and post it on a public forum which requires you to use a little part of the brain.

If someone has been on the forum since 2017 and has not yet learned that it is completely wrong (and punishable) to present someone else's work as one's own, and in addition only regrets it when he is caught in the act - I think the matter is more than clear.


Thank you, but I and many others are really not interested in what AI thinks, it is not sharing information but simply rewriting. You can be happy if this whole situation doesn't end with someone leaving you negative feedback, or if you don't get a permanent ban.

Just one question for the Op; if you hadn't been caught, would you have sought for a way to "fix" the neutral trust system? Or are you the kind of person to care about something only when it sorely affects you? You have been in the forum for sometime now and at least must have read where the use of ChatGTP is heavily frowned upon but it seemed you turned a blind eye to that and now you are looking for a way to work it out.
The forum is an excellent place to share info but that doesn't mean you have to spam or involve the use of AI. It's just like you don't want to put in too much work but want to benefit from it.

This will not be a solution to the problem, since everyone else will continue to see these reviews left by DT members, and first of all managers who conduct a Signature Campaign and this is the main reason why the OP wants to get rid of these tags. The use of ChatGPT can be regarded as plagiarism, since the OP actually published his post, which he did not write himself, and this may already lead to a negative mark in the trust.

I would like to suggest as most of the members did, to move your case to the Reputation section where you can have some effective results on the basis of Discussion.

Secondly YES, it is possible to change the Neutral tag and even -Ve tag on the basis of Future improvements, as I have seen some cases where Red-tagged Bounty managers requested for the change of -ve trust to neutral based on a second chance and most of DT members did agree on the second chance and changed the red to neutral. But in the future, they performed well and increased their overall credibility.

But in your case, you are tagged for the chatbot spam, obviously and you are tagged by LoyceV & Jokers10 obviously after creating this post he tagged you, and as you already agree on the use of Ai and plagiarism, I don't think so you can get a chance, on the same time as far as I know He mostly tags in neutral, I'm not sure how it's gonna be another Neutral for your that action or a Red.

For everyone who is reading this post, this should serve as a reminder to the reason on why we have forum rules placed in the first place. Rules are posted, even if you do not actually read them, for them to be followed. It serves as a constructive notice to all that once you violate any of those stipulated provisions, you are to be punished accordingly.


I do not think there is a way for you to remove them UNLESS you personally message the people who added them in the first place. Though in some cases, people remove them but in your case I doubt that you would be able to.

In fact, you just worsen your situation by acknowledging your mistake to others in which people would ultimately put more neutral trust to your account.

That would depend on the neutral feedback he got.
We've here a campaign manager that raised an anti-AI campaign which is impossible for him to be accepted.

Sometimes I think this way that somehow people deserve a second chance, how about a public apology and creating a thread on the reputation board that he will change his attitude and never use this AI tool?  And try to convince the one who left a neutral tag to remove it once he proven it. (of course, it needs a certain time to prove it).

That only works if the feedback is incorrect.

Whenever someone complains about feedback, there are usually 2 outcomes: when the complaint is justified, the feedback is removed or the user gets excluded. But when the feedback is deserved, it usually leads to more feedback from others. And that's the case here.

We are all tempted to use AI to create posts because we're made to believe it makes our work simpler and easy, relieving us from extra mental stress. But guess what the human brains really need that particular stress to be able to expand its capacity to produce  quality output and avoiding it only makes your brains dull and relatively unproductive.

But here's the main bad news op,  one more bad than a neutral tag trust which is, with ChatGPT  you're reducing your brains capacity to think and give extraordinary outputs with it's won originality, as the psychology would be that you can't do it better without using AI.  And if such is permitted in the forum we may end up saturating the forum with dummies in AI clothing's.

@OP you were pointed out in the last month we shouldn't use AI because someone who use AI is lazy, illiterate and no improvement, but why you did it? :D

Since you're lying, now I think you're still lying too by promising for not using AI again if those two users remove their neutral feedback.

OP, you are lucky that you only got two neutral tags which means that you still have hope to correct the mistake that you claim it to be. Prove yourself worthy to the moderators that the neutral tag should be removed by creating quality posts on your own without AI for some months and then you can go and appeal in the reputation board to see if you will be considered but if  you don't prove yourself that you are better than an AI shitposter then the neutral tags will be yours forever. You should be glad that it wasn't a negative tag or ban that was your penalty. You still have hope to make the wrong right on this tag.

That is the irony of the matter. The victim of a crime knows that they are commiting a crime and they also preach against crime and yet commit crime. But for Op to have created this post means not that they have repented but looking for a way to eradicate the neutral tags.

Op, maybe you have to message the people that left you the neutral tag, they might not remove it immediately but they could watch you for sometime if you have actually changed for good.

He didn't. Acknowledging in this case is much better than lie. If he'd lied and said that he didn't and lovesmayfamilis then showed that he even didn't remove all his AI posts before that (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5456516.msg62678438#msg62678438), he'd probably get a negative tag. He didn't lie and so he didn't make the situation much worse.

Now he has two neutral tags. If he will never use AI anymore, if he'll leave good and informative posts, get a positive reputation, then one day campaign managers will suppose that old days events are no more actual and neutral tag will no more mean anything not depending on if it will stay or will be removed.

So acknowledging is a first step for better situation.

I think the only option that is needed now is for you to read the person that have you the neutral trust to remove it explaining why you think the people should remove your neural trust. Most time this can be difficult for you if the person does not find your explanation genuine at all. There are people that had gotten a red trust for such a scenerio so I don't think it is new for people to get a neutral trust for using chatgbt to complete there weekly posts which is mostly against many signature campaign just like the one you are wearing. It is against the ethics of any signature campaign.

If you know the reason for that, then contact the giver, but if you did nothing bad and the review left is not something bad like scam or spam or trust then you don't have to worry on neutral tag.


It will affect your account because this time it's not all about the neutral tag anymore but the reason for giving you the neutral tag, using ChatGPT is only talking about your incapacity to make a constructive quality post to deliver, but instead of plagiarising you make use of ChatGPT to make your post.

Well just as @cantasy has already advised and I like the fact that you already accepted to your fault and one way to correct this to start making quality  post again and avoid using AI on the forum and one other way is to go back to the thread where you sighted with your AI post and tender a public apology  and I wouldn't advice you to slide in the DMs of the members that tagged you because it might also be that you're failing another rule and to avoid that is to go straight to the trend and answer to your query and maybe make it obvious that you're sliding into their DM and plead with them and if nothing is done, you cab appeal to your tag and it might be looked into but nothing is certain.

Plagiarism is a big and offensive act in the forum, so if you can avoid from using AI in all your post and have your own content instead, then it’s possible that you won’t be getting neutral or worst negative trust in the future. For now, if your appeal won’t work, then you can’t do nothing about it. Just learn from it and promise not to rely from using AI again. This AI technology might be productive in some aspects but using it inside the forum is highly discouraged.

Yes it is big but there's something much bigger offense in the forum that many forum members doesn't like which is scamming people off of their money. Well, each of the rules U mentioned have their own consequences although the scam offense won't make the account banned but there will be a negative trust/score that will be seen in the user's profile meanwhile plagiarism won't have negative trust/score but the account will get banned.

If there is, then it's not gonna be in a hurry..
You outrightly made it clear on one of your post that you're actually using an AI bot - maybe you thought your statement or actions wouldn't have much impact in the future buh, c'monnn... You thought wrong!
P/s; I just followed up the thread and mhan, that was really obvious... especially since you were in a campaign at the time; to be honest with you, I'm against that organic posting pattern.. You shouldn't be surprised if more neutral tags are administered.

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According to my belief, there is no logical solution other than to prove to everyone that you have changed your bad habits and stopped spamming using AI BOT, and this takes some time because proving this will not be by simply making promises. And given that the owner of the feedback is the only one who can change or cancel it, Your chances are few to convince him in a short time. In general, after some time has passed and you have succeeded in proving your good intentions, even if the reviewer refuses to change his feedback, other members can be convinced and leave you new positive feedbacks that refute previous feedbacks.

You've just exposed yourself and I will not be surprised if members will tag you with more neutral feedback, you are in a hurry to get it remove why not prove to the community first that you have no intention of using AI again.

AI has been a very hot topic for several months already and yet you challenge the forum if they can catch you because your AI spam posts are only over a month old, I'm sure you know about the usage of AI bots here but still you dare try it.
It's disrespecting the fight of the community against the use of AI.

You admitted that you used ChatLGBT. Ohhh I'm wrong it's ChatGPT my bad.
Can I ask you OP. What will be the benefits of you using ChatGPT in order to make posts here? Merits? Attention from other high-ranked members? So that you can get accepted from a signature campaign?

It doesn't make any sense as to why users need to use ChatGPT into their posts. Well, it's still good that you only get neutral trust with what you did because there's still no rules that's being created regarding users using AI with their posts, but I will not be surprised if our admins here will make a rule regarding that in the future since it's starting to be used by many here.

Being ignorant really is a bad thing, so change your habits OP, and learn. Your question is kind of wrong though because there's no other way to improve that neutral trust since you already did a mistake. It's like a lower level of plagiarism for me. I have neutral trust as well, but I don't care since I didn't get those for doing bad things or using ChatLGBT.

The only thing you could do with that is to contact the person put a neutral trust on your account since they are the one who can remove that.

And removing such feedback is case to case basis so maybe they give a chance for people who do small offense which can be corrected so best to show those reputable people that you will never commit the same mistake again. But don't expect that they immediately erase that so maybe prove yourself that you change to be a fair member on this community and for sure they re-evaluate your case in future.

Oh no, you use ChatGPT post on forums to get paid for signature campaigns, even though you already know this action is strictly prohibited on the forum even though you argued that you didn't know it when you were caught. It's hard to get rid of neutral trust in your profile, you should be able to accept it willingly instead of wanting to get rid of it because DT doesn't punish you with red trust. Your regret must be paid for by contributing to the forum, do something useful for the forum and also other members, then promise yourself not to make the same mistake in the future.