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It's interesting to note that many Bitcoin holders might not be fully capitalizing on the inherent volatility of this digital asset. The Bitcoin market can undergo price fluctuations of around 3 to 4 times in a single day, which offers ample opportunities for those who choose to engage in active trading.

While the common approach is to view Bitcoin solely as a long-term investment, it's worth considering an alternative perspective – that of an active trader. By delving into trading strategies, it's plausible to generate a daily income ranging from $20 to $30, provided one has a sound grasp of the market dynamics.

For those intrigued by this concept, there's a wealth of information available, including informative YouTube videos that can serve as a starting point for learning about Bitcoin trading techniques. These resources(https://youtu.be/c7VH96My_3I?feature=shared) can provide valuable insights for anyone willing to explore the active trading side of the Bitcoin market.
And in addition I think its right time that everyone that's interested in bitcoin should also start learning about trading since it gives a good opportunity for anyone to earn off bitcoin. What do y'all think bout this ?

It is not a secret that a trader can make money with the figures that you've given. But you know why many have chosen the opposite path of just being an investor and chose not to maximize the potential just as what you're saying? It's because that it's easier to lose from doing that potential you're saying than to be a passive one which is effortless and easier regardless of the market situation. You're saving a lot of time and you don't have to be aggressive in the market which is what you're thinking to do. And in no way I am going to watch the channel you're plugging that tells what to do if you can just summarize the contents of it.

It's fine to do it but if someone is unsuccessful with it, we can always be the investor type which is what many are doing.

Op, you speak only in favor of the profits, which is not garanteed what about the loss. Even experts experience loss all the times that why for me I will advice to hodl. 
It's less stressful to know that my Bitcoin is safe in my  wallet, rather than constantly worrying about the market going up and down daily and hourly if you're trading. I'm not saying trading is bad, but it's important to understand the risks and be ready to deal with them. 

As always

HODL

Most traders lose money.

People selling strategies or tips are preying on the ignorance of newbies.

Well, we all know that trading gives higher opportunities to earn than simply hodling bitcoin for long term. But always know that there’s also bigger chances to lose from trading because there’s bigger risk on it, particularly for beginner traders who are still in the process of gaining first hand experience in trading. Not everyone is capable enough to make trading works, that’s why a lot would chose to settle on long term hodling because it’s less risky plus the chances to make you profitable is still high depending on how much coins you are able to hold at a longer period of time.

We do have all the choice and its up to ours on which method and thing we are really that sticking into. There are ones who cant really be able to afford on dealing up with markets volatility
and there are ones who are really that courageous on dealing up with the movement and snipping out some profits on the time that it moves. This is why we could really be able to generate
holders from those active/daytraders which it is really that totally opposite on what they are really that been doing.Its not bad to hold and its not bad to be an active trader since this would really be in accordance with your own preference since not all would really be that risk takers. This is why its up to you whether you would really be holding up or would be trading according into your risk appetite.
So dont stress yourself on how people would really be dealing up and making use of their coins whether they would really be going with the flow of the market or would really be standing still
and hold for long term. For me then my bag is really composed of two allocations which one is for holding and one is for active trades because it is really that too boring if i would really be just sitting
still and doing nothing. hehe

It appears that you might have a simplistic view of making money through Bitcoin trading. Have you begun trading and experienced profits? Understand that many small traders have faced losses while significant players profit. Engage in trading to comprehend. I'm not implying you can't profit, but expertise is crucial to navigate Bitcoin's volatility. Remember, holders generally gain, whereas traders face uncertainty. Hold until you achieve reasonable profits; avoid selling prematurely. Set achievable targets to avert future regrets.

An active trader can earn $20 to $30 profits from trading Bitcoin only if he/she has a huge capital to trade Bitcoin. The ones who have at least one whole Bitcoin could earn such level of profits on daily basis and sometimes they also have to face some losses because the Bitcoin can dump anytime without notification and such traders might have to hold their trades for many days in such cases.

I don't think that the ones who trade Bitcoin on daily basis are the ones making profit out of it because those people can sometimes face huge dips and they may have to sell their coins for a lower price in order to continue their daily trading. There are some traders that might earn some good profits by trading Bitcoin when it gets a dip but those traders are the most knowledgeable ones.

I think the ones who know the art of hodling are the ones who make most profits from Bitcoin because those people accumulate when Bitcoin faces a huge dip and wait for a higher price value or you can say that they wait for the next bull market to sell their holdings for huge profits. There are also those holders that won't sell their Bitcoin for decades and they're the real geniuses who will earn most profit from Bitcoin holdings.

Yes, trading is way more profitable than long term hodling. But have you been trading and making decent income in most of your trades? Because it’s easier being said than done. Trading is done with high knowledge and skills, and only experienced traders only stood the test of time, because a lot end up losing and eventually quit from trading. That is simply the reason why most of the traders end up settling with long term hodling. At least, when you hold and tend to forget that you have been keeping bitcoin in your portfolio, you are likely to profitable when the market is in profits.

And also presents lots of risk cause it makes the price very unpredictable.

Sound grasp of market dynamics does not guarantee any form of profits and does not protect from losses either.

From my own perspective, I believe that hodlers makes more profit than traders. Traders are after daily peanuts like you said OP, $20-$30. But if you hodli for a long term and when you plan to sell maybe in 8yrs time which needs patients, mate you will make huge profit compare to those peanuts that you think you can get from trading. Instead you will lose your coins to trading and will regret your actions later. Hodling has no stress and just patients but traders will not have rest and always looking at bitcoin price and at the end they will still secure a loss.

Trading is easier said than done.  If trading is that very easy, many who engage in trading could be a millionaire now.  For a holder that does not have time or knowledge about trading, holding is the best option for them.  This way they have a lesser risk.

Trading is sure the best method to gain profit but it is also the fastest to lose profit.  One wrong move and all the profit accumulated can be busted.


Knowledgeable traders do make more profit.  By taking advantage of the fluctuation, a trader can grow his portfolio by selling high and buying low. But as I stated, it is easier said than done.

How sure you are about this?!
There's no guarantee of making a profit daily on trading even how good you are.

IMO, trading isn't for everyone and isn't a means at all to make a profit, so it's impossible to make or generate a profit daily as you've said $20 to $30 daily.

I rather consider holding for a long term or storing Bitcoin's value in a long time and doing DCA way upon investing Bitcoin is a good move.

Truly easier said than done, if someone wants to argue that trading is more profitable in the long run than long-term holding. That's his opinion and mostly based on his experience. But with all of the people here being aware of how profitable long-term holding is, it's already justified by most of us because it did happen to us. Remove the pressure on yourself when you're trading and transition into holding which is not going to require you a lot of work. Just as you've said, you can just likely forget that you're holding and return to the market when the bull run is in and you'll be surprised at how much your portfolio has grown for being patient. Both trading and holding requires patience but I'll choose to be more patient in holding without the need to check the sentiment of the market.

Easy to say but difficult to do.
There are already a lot of people who tried to trade at first because they were convinced or lured by some people on social media that trading is easy money, but if you are already in the field, it's difficult.
I don't blame them, maybe they are just not prepared. For me, trading is not buying low, selling high.

Yep, I agree they must start to learn trading but before they do trade, they must know how risky trading is and they must first identify their goal and the process.
Learning must always comes first.

The type of offer that can generate daily income of up to tens of percent, IMO not all are interested in doing this type of daily trading and are still loyal to making bitcoin a long term investment.
Traders who choose to engage in trading activities that earn up to 30% in a day, mostly not on bitcoins but on other types of coins.

Regarding the ability to understand market dynamics, with continuous issues and events that are allegedly a factor of price uncertainty than predicted in daily trading, I think people prefer to take a general approach by making bitcoin for the long term. Wrong in analyzing and implementing strategies with the main goal of getting profit, it can happen the opposite of the profit you want to get, namely losing some funds.

Doing day trading is just a matter of courage in taking a stand. Fear of loss, then the best way is a long term investment.

I am not sure this is such a common confidence for everyone. I agree with that in theory, because it is hard to argue that short price fluctuations give more room to provide trading operations. But, practically speaking, trading is definitely more risky than holding and most people loose their deposits in the long term, comparing to simple holding. Higher opportunities you are referring to are only possible if a trader is quite successful, which happens rarely. In contrast, while holding, generally people have more chances to gain eventually, or at least not to lose. 

Not everyone is able to become a good trader despite Bitcoin making multiple swings each day, and that's ok. Some people are just meant for hodling, if they were to trade, they would lose what they have got as well.

May be you haven't read HODL! (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=375643.0) origin story yet.

That's why they call hodlers.

They can't just buy and sell their Bitcoin in a certain day based on price fluctuations since I'm sure they just bought it near the price where the the current dump is or maybe they just want the long term profits and not the day trading profits since it's not that big compare to the profits they are gonna have in the long run. The other thing is that they might regret buying or selling some of their Bitcoin within the day because it might go to the opposite direction of what they are expecting.

Some of us don't HoDL BTC for future reasons only. We may have had this insight from an onset and may have wanted to try out trading in addition, but what's one reason for one is different for another and time is a factor that is the main consideration too.

If the knowledge is there but there's no time to punch in the details and give the prompt or command to trade, maybe due to schedules we have to meet up with, then there's no point in sticking to it professionally but to make it a part time side hustle.

The consideration of looking into other perspectives in this current market trend appears to unwise decision when the whole bullish trend of this current market depends on the Bitcoin price moment which will take effect latest next year.
Diversification is good but only in the market where the future market trend is still unknown.

Yep, the world of Bitcoin offers more than just holding your coins! Its price swings can be a trader's paradise if played right and one takes proper advantage of the volatility. While the long-term holding strategy has its pros, experienced users who understands trading can make some good profit by day trading. That being said, it's not for those that can't afford to risk, and one should definitely educate themselves thoroughly before diving in. I've seen a bunch of people check out resources like the one you linked and it does help to get the basics down. But always remember, with reading or watching tutorials won't make you an expert. You need to trade, make errors and learn from it to eventually become good in trading. The risks involved is much higher than just holding. Hence, most people prefer holding since you still make profit in the long run.

those who only hold Bitcoin does not mean they do not take advantage of the volatility of the Bitcoin market to make a profit. it is more a matter of choice of each person who holds Bitcoin or trades it.
I'm sure those who are Bitcoin holders also analyze trades and have also made trades. but sometimes due to limited abilities and also some people feel they are luckier when holding Bitcoin. when you do two things simultaneously or even alternately. you can analyze for yourself which one will be more profitable for you.

Yes Bitcoin provides ample of opportunities. But you need to accept the fact that majority of the Bitcoin investors are doing it for long term investment. For them these price changes doesn’t at all exist. They just buy the coins and hold it till another bull run hits the market. They don’t want to frequently buy or sell these rare and high valued coins. They aim for big profits and hence for them, these small daily profits doesn’t matter at all. This is the general mindset of an average Bitcoin investor.

In my experience, it can be said that the best strategy is to hold in the long term, yes it is true that you can make some small profits through day trading, but you can also lose.

If you are a good trader who is good at analyzing and reading indicators, you can use your skill to earn some profits daily, you can also combine the two strategies where, for example, you can allocate part of the capital for trading and hold the largest part in the long run, so you can reap some small daily profits and keep the largest part Hold until the top.

Of course, in the end, everyone is free to choose the strategy that suits him.

Certainly. And bitcoin trading has indeed bigger opportunities to earn and save. However, the problem is, not everyone is capable to earn through trading. I know a lot have been trying to succeed and do their best so they will end up trading for profits but it seems aside from knowledge and skills, luck should also be present in trading. Otherwise, if you trade without those qualities and just force to trade trying to prioritize your greed, you will never be in profits but instead, you’ll end up as a frustrated loser.

I don't know which hodlers are you talking about, but if you're discussing about true hodlers of crypto, then mind well that if they come into the market with their bags of btc, they have the power to ridiculously move it down and nobody will be able to beat that action and make btc claim these high prices back. I think what they are doing is for the good of crypto, so let us not criticize them for their actions and keep taking advantage of the current market situation on our own. ;)

Yes, because they are indeed holders, so they will hold Bitcoin as long as they want. And they believe that the value of Bitcoin will continue to increase within a certain period of time. Everyone has their own choice of Bitcoin. Precisely by holding them, they can optimally use Bitcoin. Instead of forcing yourself to do trading even though you can't afford to do it. Every activity related to Bitcoin has its own risk. Maybe you can optimize Bitcoin by trading. But with a fairly high risk, what if it's the other way around? Isn't optimizing the potential of Bitcoin actually according to its abilities and strategies? And if you really want to be optimal, ideally it should be using Bitcoin as a legal tender. however, this is not an easy matter in all parts of the world because it is limited by various regulations within the country.

If only all of us will be able to make our own trades profitable, then there will be no bitcoin hodlers left as everyone will end up as reliable traders. But that’s not the case in reality. Some aspiring traders have been seriously learning about trading but still, a lot of them end up in frustrations. Not because they are losing consistently, but because they find it hard to analyze and time the market due to its volatility that makes it very unpredictable. And so they end up as plain bitcoin hodlers, something that we should not also overlooked.

In terms of profit potential, trading is clearly superior to investing. Investors will simply acquire and hold Bitcoin for an extended period of time until the price rises above the buying price, at which point they will sell it when they can afford the price. You can do a lot of things as a trader, you can trade numerous times a day, and you can make a lot of money every day. However, we must keep in mind that trading is riskier than investing because you must perform numerous tasks in trading, such as backtesting the strat before implementing it in the actual trade. If you fail to do so and immediately begin live trading, you will almost always lose. That is why there is so much failure in trading. And we can't deny that there were a lot of investors.

Making tons of money every day with trading?
That will only be true if the trader is a true professional and the market is still reliable.
Trading and investing both have their advantages and disadvantages. Trading is not always more profitable than investing.

Even trading always plays with emotions that will at times interfere with trading and eventually cause losses.
It's about how to manage emotions for both trading and investing.

I would prefer to be a long-term investor if you don't want to be distracted by emotions.
Buy and hold until the target is reached, but it's your choice which one is better in your opinion.

Bitcoin holders should really maximize the potential of bitcoin for the future, Bitcoin is the best investment in the crypto space.

It sounds easy but when you start trading for real, you will find things are not as easy as you imagine. Everyone wants to make more money by trading, but most will just lose, and that is why many people do not choose to trade but choose to hold for the long term. The purpose of long-term trading or investing is profit, Bitcoin will reach its maximum potential when we make the best profit. If you trade but your profit is not higher than the profit of the holder, then it cannot be said that you are exploiting the full potential of bitcoin. No one cares about your efforts, people will only look at the results you achieve to judge you.

Look, holders know very well that traders can in theory earn way more money than them, however that is the theory, if you can indeed pull this off then it makes sense for you to become a trader and earn much more money this way.

But things are never that simple, for the ones that cannot do this it is better that they just keep holding their coins as otherwise they are bound to lose a lot of money, also there are many traders that despite their skill prefer to become holders, as the attention they need to give to the markets and the pressure they need to overcome each day is simply too much for them.

You can really make a daily profit in trading, and it depends on your understanding. Today, trading losses cannot be avoided by a trader in this part of the trading business industry. So what's in the YouTube link you gave? That's educational knowledge that depends on how you absorb and implement it in actual trading.

That tutorial won't do anything if you don't understand what's said in the video. That's why learning depends on how we apply it to the life we have in the world of Bitcoin or the crypto space. That's why it's a long process before we fully understand why we are doing these things in this field of business.

Not all people are experts in Trading Most people prefer to simply buy and hold, Personally, I also prefer to buy and hold most of the time and was able to make good profits doing so . The Cryptocurrency Market is very volatile and can be very hard to trade which is why many people prefer making an investment.

Many think that trading or even holding is so easy since in realistic way its so hard to do it especially if we can encounter to many negative manipulation which cause heavy bearish market scenarios. For sure with this it can affect our decision whatever experience we got or how good we are on trading since if we see a long bearish streak for sure it affect our decision making especially if we have enough and our money is at risk of losing. Yeah some may say that holding for more is good decision to do but some other cannot take the pressure and decide to sell since feeling is heavy when you see all of your holdings is decreasing its value. So much better before taking a decision to hold much better if they have extra fiat to use for catching up some dumps if that happen so they can still play on the market even if there first capital has been trapped.

Perhaps, you know a lot which most holders don't. But never think that they are not maximizing the profit potential because they are just holders, not a trader. Meaning that they just hold and wait for the right to sell unlike traders, who take every opportunity to take and make money for it. Besides, they are different from each other and the way they make money from the crypto market.
People prefer to remain just an investor and hold Bitcoin because they are comfortable doing it and less risk. Well, of course, risk-takers will choose trading as they know themselves they can do it so well.

I used to do a lot of day trading in Bitcoin and I thought it was not very profitable for day trading. If it's with a small capital. Unless we do daily trading on bitcoins with large capital. So yeah, taking advantage of bitcoin price fluctuations in the market with large capital will be quite profitable. But with small capital. You will only make a small profit and it is not worth the time-consuming analysis to do it.

So I started leaving it out and not including it in my daily trades. And I only invest in bitcoin for the long term.

As for day trading, trading in altcoins is actually much easier and the fluctuations are also higher. So that you can still get a sizable profit even with a small capital. And about Altcoins it's actually quite easy to analyze. Like by monitoring every event that every altcoin has. And we only enter altcoins that have events and so on. Fundamental analysis on altcoins is sometimes much more effective for profit combined with technical analysis. But when there are no events, technical analysis is definitely the priority. Coupled with fundamental analysis related to global economic events and so on. which also has an influence on market volatility.

In the end, it’s an individual’s choice whether he’ll stay hodling or trading, but surely he’ll chose the one which is less risky and less stressful without compromising the future amount of profits. Moreover, trading demands a lot of time and efforts, and only real traders can sustain it, and the rest are long term hodlers who share the same goal with traders. So we cannot jump to a conclusion that long term hodlers do not maximize the potentials of bitcoin, because the fact that they chose long term hodling than short term trading, for sure there is quite bigger and promising profits waiting ahead.

The price fluctuations is the common one in the crypto currency and other stock market.So the same was reflected in bitcoin and other altcoin,the market fluctuations should be used in order to make profit by investing at low price.By using the same day fluctuations,the day traders earning profit in a single day.The profit from day trading will be 10-100$    based on the fluctuations in price.Bitcoin is the good asset to hold your money in long term,some traders loss their valuable bitcoin by panic selling.

This might sound very achievable when you view it with the perspective that you're looking at it from but when you want to start doing it then you'll realized that it's not as achievable as it was looking because you can't be guaranteed of making profits everyday from the market. It doesn't matter how professional you're as a trader, bit some times will come when the market will win and you'll lose and if you're not careful, you can lose more times than you win.

Trading is another approach to making money from crypto but trading is very risky that's why it isn't a good advice for newbies to start trading as they don't have any experience and they will lose to the market. The best way to make money from the market is by holding.

Don't you think everybody knows that already?

But how you are going to make sure that 3 to 4 times a day is going to be a positive result since you mentioned its highly volatile so the market can go in anyway in spite of how accurate your technical analysis is?

This means day trading is risky which is why investors prefer utilizing the long-term potentials of bitcoin's volatile nature which is secure and less risky compared to what you are suggesting.

There is a very large number of traders who do day trading or scalping using Bitcoin if they have the capital for it. Those traders would have separate holdings for the long term and they also make use of the usual fluctuations of the market, so I don't think that it is a secret for anyone at all as long as a person knows how the cryptocurrency market works in the first place. I used to do it too when I had money that I could use for some scalping.

Scalping or day trading can be very profitable if the trader has a lot of knowledge and experience about the market and knows exactly how the market will move each day or based on a news or an event that has occurred in the real world and they make trades based what they read or see.

Bitcoin hodling might be underrated but if you are hodling sufficient number of bitcoin, you’ll end up an instant billionaire in the future. So I don’t think hodling alone does not maximize the potentials of bitcoin. However, with bitcoin trading, people know that the profits are more promising and tempting, but hey, trading is never easy and it needs close to perfection skills and trading expertise so you can be profitable on it. Otherwise, you are only wasting your money in trading when you consistently trade without knowledge and skills being honed.

That is the reason why trading is not for everyone. Even though a lot of bitcoin hodlers would want to learn trading as well, but if they don’t have the required skills and trading experiences, they will never be profitable traders in the end. So it’s only a waste of time and effort when you are trying to trade and has still no positive outcome in the end. That’s the reason why some frustrated traders just settle in long term hodling. At least, they can still be profitable with less risk and less stress.

Old or new HODLers has their own reason on why they can't buy on a good opportunity like what we have now. We don't know what they are going through so we shouldn't judge them. I think you are also talking about the whales here mate. Whales can be a different kind of breed. They can't be a HODLer but they can sell their assets immediately right after they manipulate the markets.

The one that can beat them are also their co-whales. We small-scale investors can just go with the flow. We can buy once the price dumps and sell once it pumps. That is how easy to make money here. The market doesn't necessarily need the whales and it will be a better place without them.

That is why we can only make money from the market when we are having good amount of Bitcoin as a trader or investor. Little holdings do not count much compared to those whales that are holding sufficient amount of Bitcoin in the market.
 If we really want to make money from the market then we need to be ready to buy good amount of crypto and hold in our portfolio or else we are going to make little profits when the bull eventually arrives. This is one of the things that give the whales edge over the market to be able to manipulate the market as much as they like.

People should realize this and this is how you should really be thinking but if you dont really mind whether your profit is small or big then it would really be just fine that you would really be that accumulating for long term aspect which we know that there are really indeed difference in speaking about whales and those average or typical investors when it comes to this aspect on which it would really be just that normal that you would really be having those kind of different level when it comes to profits. Maximizing potential would be most likely be advantageous into those people who do have invested more but in speaking about exposure on such risks then you are
basically that prone more into risks and this is why its always that important that you should really invest only on things which you gonna really afford to lose and dont really going all in when it comes to this type of investment because this is where usually people do really able to forget on which investing but doesnt mind about the risks because we know that this market is volatile and there's no way that we could be able to
tell on where it would be going.

There isn't really a "need" for maximizing it, that's the point. It already makes me enough money, why would I take any risks by doing anything bigger. I understand that some people may want to have something different and they may want to have something that is special but that doesn't mean that its going to be true, and you may end up with a loss. The reality is simpler, you are going to end up trading and you will lose the money.

This isn't a sure thing of course, you could trade and lose some money as well but there isn't really a guarantee to that neither, and you could end up losing money as well. Instead of that, you could just end up holding, which would definitely get you profit if you hold long enough. The trick with holding is that sometimes you have to hold just a bit, and sometimes you have to hold for a long time but at the end of the day you are going to end up profiting one way or another.

this is why, it depends on the targets of each individual here. we have different goals so to speak. but most of these users are after for more profits. they need to be careful as they can easily lose those profits if not handled properly. if you know your targets here, then, work on your plans or strategies to reach that goal. you can read, listen to all those opinions but at the end of the day, you will be the one who will execute your plan.

The main goal of Bitcoin holders is to hold for investment for a certain period of time, usually long term, because there is a target price that they want to achieve, without having to carry out trading activities every day. This goal is of course different from traders who optimize volatility every day. So in my opinion, it's not right if Bitcoin holders don't take advantage of Bitcoin's potential. Traders and investors, especially long term holders, have their own goals and cannot be forced to do the same thing. So, don't judge what is appropriate and what is not. What is certain is that each of them can optimize themselves in the field they are working in.

Not entirely true, people who have a vast knowledge and experience in trading rarely lose money.  And if the option for maximizing return is given, most people will take it since it is the natural aim of investors and traders.

But, I would agree with your belief that it is better to have part of the possible maximum profit if we are free of risk of losing all of our investments.


We cannot profit by holding only, we have to sell at some point to realize our profit and then we buy again at the lower price.  This is the essence of investment and taking advantage of the volatility of the market.  Thus, we have to trade, buy and sell although it may take time for us to do the trade, it isn't a bad move to wait for the price to hit our target selling price and at the same time the target buying price to reinvest and repeat the process.

I completely agree with you. Only by selling your asset can you determine that you are profitable. Most people, including myself, believe that I already profit  when I have a running position; there are times when the table will turn back. I understand that the greatest method to maximize profits in trading is to buy low and sell high in couple of hours and enter a trade a gain. The problem is that we don't know when it was appropriate to sell it because some traders are hesitant to do so due to the possibility of more price increases. For me, this is not the case; profit is profit, and I have nothing  to regret. The most essential thing is that you stick to it.

That is not entirely true. Often the opposite is the case. Short-term trading is very risky and there can be more losses than gains. Moreover, in a few hours, the situation on the market may not change radically, the price may stand almost still, and then there is no point in such a trade, you will only take unnecessary risks and pay commissions when the possible profit is not worth it.

I didn't say that it is not risky, I know that this is more riskier than those who didn't immediately sell. But I'm sure that if we only know where exactly the swing points, we will just wait for that zone to trade. The price movement in the market is not always up, it consist higher high and higher low. Why it happens, because there are what we called short-term traders that sell their assets. Ofcourse, it's a big traders such institutions that can cause the big move of prices in the market. As what I have said, if we know where exactly the higher low or higher high, we can maximize the profit by always buying at higher low and selling at higher high.

It is also important to notice that trading is a full-time job, so anyone that wants to become a trader either needs to leave their main occupation behind or work two different jobs at the same time, something that is not easy as anyone that has tried to do this before can testify.

However becoming an investor can be a very relaxed endeavor, as once you have done your analysis about the assets in which you want to invest there is not much to do except to buy that asset and for your target price to be hit, and as such you can keep your job while your money works for you.

It's true that there is a lot of volatility in the crypto markets and that an experienced trader could take advantage of it. The question is how many of the long term investors that hold Bitcoin for the purpose of storing value are comfortable to trade short term? When we start day trading, we need to be a lot more active and check the market constantly. At least for me it's not really possible at the moment with my normal job to focus so much time on trading. In the end the risk of losing a large amount in a sudden price drop is much higher than the chances to make a few gains. Another issue of trading HODL Bitcoins is that the tax gains are being realised every time we are buying and selling our coins. Especially for some investors that hold their coins for several years this could lead to large tax bill that we would need to pay. Also, for anybody that is looking to take advantage of high volatility price movements there might be even better candidates in the alt coin market. Some coins that are not traded so actively might offer much higher returns when the prices jump.

First, we must distinguish between a trader and an investor, as they are 2 different things. Yes, the goal is to make a profit and everyone has different ways of making a profit. A trader targets the profit that they will get in a short time, while for investors they will have a way to take advantage by holding assets for a very long time, even it takes several years before they go out and take profits.
So these are 2 different things, we cannot say that bitcoin holders (especially investors) do not maximize the potential of bitcoin, in fact I see them also maximizing the potential of bitcoin completely.

And how exactly somebody could possibly know about this? The market is unpredictable, you can know nothing for sure. If what you said were true, then we would live in a completely different world, where everyone could earn from trading and be in profit for most of the time. But that is simply not true. "Always" is the word that has nothing to do with the stock market.

Correct, there is the mistaken notion that in order for a trader to become profitable they need to know what the market is going to do at all times, and this is false, the market can only do two things to go up or to go down from its current levels, now it could also remain motionless but at some point it will have to take a direction.

And as you can see this is very similar to a coin toss, so if a trader can predict with an accuracy higher than 50% what is about to happen and they have solid money management skills then they can make money, as such it is not necessary to have almost infallible predictive abilities in order to make money on the markets.

So basically, you are just saying that all of us Bitcoin holders should maximize the volatility of it therefore, we must trade, so that we can gain more profits than just holding right?
I have some questions to you OP.
1. Yes trading is for everyone, but do you think that all Bitcoin holders are capable of trading? Do you think that they can do well in trading?
2. Do you really think that if a Bitcoin holder will go in to trading, there is a high chance that they can get profit?

Think of the risks of trading. Think of every Bitcoin holder and think "Will they handle the risks that they may face when they enter trading?" Think of how it will affect them if they lost their money because they realize that trading isn't for them. Think of the possible things that they might've think if they lost their money doing trading. They will realize in the end "If only I just held my Bitcoins instead of trading it, I might've earned way lesser, but it's safer than just trading which isn't for me."

Yes I know that you can get more profits if you do trading than just simply buy and hold, but not all can do trading just to let you know. Many aspiring traders loss their money in trading. Think wider OP. There are many ways for an investor to earn using Bitcoin, and not only in trading.

The easiest way to maximize profits is by trading Bitcoin and not holding in my opinion, there is power in making more profits in what you control than leting it stay idle and with that, market players will play with your profits. As a trader, when you make profits, it's already in the bag and whatever the market does after that is not of your concern, if its slight down further, it will not affect your value as you have already convert it to profit but if you are holding, you don't get to claim the profit and it can go up or down or may even go down below where it was purchased.

Just imagine buying bitcoin when it was around $4,5k and you patiently hold it to all time high of bitcoin but refuse to sell and now that the price is now $26k, there is still good profit IMO but not good strategy; A smart trader will have exited the market around $50k+ and then buy back again and with this, you can have more bitcoin in your posession.

Yes true the process is profitable but all the time holders cannot do this because people get profit only to utilize that profit in something else which is profitable or may be in some activities of home which is necessary. It is also possible that lots of individuals are only dependent on bitcoin and they gain income from bitcoin therefore the process of selling and buying on regular basis will be hard for them.

Selling some part of bitcoin will be profitable to buy bitcoin again at lower cost but it will takes time but selling whole bitcoin to wait for dip is not desirable decision as we don't know when the next dip will occur.

Sometimes there is no choice, really. You only have one shot, because your investments are not as big, as you wish. That is why you have to take risk and sell in hope to buy again at a lower price. But I believe some people really can win in such situation, because they would take more careful and rational steps, because they know they don't have a right for making mistakes. And they will be more prudent than those who can afford themselves to buy again if they have lost previous investment.

If you are already satisfied with the profit received from holding Bitcoin, then you can sell it with the hope of buying it at a lower price or spend it on your dream. Only if you have already sold, then you should not regret later that you could get more profit, because the price of Bitcoin has increased.

I agree that the market is unpredictable that's why I use the word "if". And this is also the reason why I said the word "always".

Even those professional traders can't predict the market, they also experience a couple loses. What we can do is to anticipate the price, and always follow our trading plan. If we know how to analyze the market, sometimes what's your expectations of the price will happen.

Volatility is perfect for trading because we can buy and sell too often and make profits easily but we can also use it for investing by buying at the lows. Short-Term investors can benefit of it more than the Long-Term HODL'ers. They are like traders too but only takes a bit more time for them to sell their assets. I'm not the OP but if I can respond to the questions that you prepare, my response would be is Number 1.)

Trading is not for everyone because trading is a little bit harder than simply buying and holding a coin. Holding may be is for everyone and all traders can do HODL'ing easily. Number 2.) For some holder maybe they have a hidden potential in trading. So yes, there is a high chance that they can earn a profit out of it and the profit that they can get can be better than the profit that they can get from their investments.

It becomes an encouragement when you don't have much capital and all you wanna do is to trade and grow your money from there. But it's also needed to be understood that those long-term holders probably have taken their own share of experience of trying to hard and get some profit on the market. And the majority of them, well, include me so we didn't have good results at all when we tried. With that, it became a reason to just hold and be firm of being a long term investor because it's also a proven strategy that works for many.

I agree that holding is indeed one of the most profitable strategies, and I also send part of the deposit to a long-term hold. However, this strategy really works only with a fairly large capital, and such one that you can afford to invest and "forget" about for several years. This means that you cannot use this money even in critical situations, and for this you need to have additional savings for such cases. Not everyone can do this. That is why those people are engaged in trading, which allows them to get, albeit smaller, but faster profits. In addition, these funds can always be withdrawn, if they are badly needed, without destroying the entire strategy.

It is true that holding is best when you've got a larger amount and you should have decided that it wouldn't be touched for a long time and as much as possible, you'll have to add more to see the greater impact of it when the bull run comes. Although there really is no rule if you're a long-term holder and there's all of a sudden that you need to sell what you're holding, we're all free to sell anytime unless you put that into some staking or inflexible savings. Yes, there are people who do this, and the worst part is it's on centralized exchanges.

One thing that I am worried about that is many are losing instead of winning there. However that I cannot judge someone's winners and losers but if we're going to reiterate, then it's good that there have been those consistent winners.

Trading in theory can be also way more profitable than just holding your coins, and not only that it is also way more interesting than just buying an asset and forget about it for years, so this is why trading is so popular in this market.

However the huge disadvantage that comes with trading is that since everyone is looking to obtain profits this way, the only ones that have any chance of doing so are the ones that have superior trading skills, while a slightly larger group will at best still obtain profits, but at a slower rate than long term holders, and finally the majority will lose money instead of earning it.

Too bad I didn't catch this thread as soon as it was posted to put this reply in the first comment:

What the OP calls 'maximising bitcoin's potential' means in a percentage of cases close to 100% bankruptcy, the loss of the money you dedicate to trading. That's the potential, the potential to be left penniless.

As said:


Or put more simply:


Now all we need is for the OP to provide proof of how much money he has made from bitcoin trading, which he is not going to do.

This can be applied to every other activity besides trading. Any achievement of success requires non-trivial skills, patience, determination and stubbornness. And most people do not succeed in any of the fields because they do not possess these characteristics, and they are also insufficiently motivated, lazy and unfocused. And, of course, they will be more attracted to holding, because it is a passive activity that does not require constant development. And in this case, it is much easier to sit and wait until you just get lucky and the price rises. And if it doesn't happen, then you can always blame the market or the big players who don't let you make money. But not yourself, because you didn't actually do anything yourself, and therefore couldn't make mistakes. It is always easier for people to find someone to blame for their failures.

Every day the Bitcoin market fluctuates because when one person sells his Bitcoin, another person buys that Bitcoin. Many times it can be seen that many people sell bitcoins at a price slightly lower than the current market price due to which the price of bitcoins decreases a bit at that time and when someone else buys bitcoins at a relatively high price, the market increases again. Mainly because of such cycle of buying and selling, there is always volatility in the market. But not all investors invest to hold Bitcoin forever. Those who invested in Bitcoin two years ago today may be selling their Bitcoin at this time, meaning they held Bitcoin for the long term. This cycle of buying and selling bitcoins will continue for as long as users hold bitcoins.

It isn't not difficult to be so certain about crypto because of the fact that you by and large don't have any idea how the coin will do in longterm.  You could sell and see the cost continue to skyrocket .

Very much like any money bitcoin can change in cost and with substantially more unpredictability than most significant monetary forms.

There is still the possibility that they already sold but others are waiting to hit near ATH again which is why they are still holding until now. There is no problem in holding because that is their money and that is their strategy. They hold and make their bitcoin sleep for a couple of years because that is what they want and they don't want to learn trading. Also it doesn't mean that if you learn trading you will have guaranteed profit, there is still a risk of losing it all. That is why they are playing it safe. No matter that they can't gain more profit at least they are sure that their bitcoin stays there and that they will possibly gain profit when ATH

there are those who hold and there are also those who trade. however, currently, that is what is happening in the market. Whether holding or trading is more efficient all depends on each person's ability.
There are people who are trading, even though they make small profits, but only in a short time. there are also people who are more patient by holding Bitcoin longer to get a better price target.
every Bitcoin investor or trader has a plan from the start. those who like to trade then trade. those who like to hold, then just hold as they like. there will be no compulsion to follow others.

So you're making $20-$30 in a day through trading? alright, good for you.

But, why you're convincing people to trading when most of users are prefer to hold? it's none of your business and it depends on each people choice. Something that's work for you will not always mean other people can do same like you.

Yeah, it would be lovely, people who sell should sell and get out, and leave the market to people who buy and hold. That way we could make a decent income from it and should be doing fine in the end. Yes, it is a tough job to handle it, but it could very well be done and should be done properly. I know that life is not that simple and sometimes we end up with a result that is a bit more different, but at the end of the day it is going to be important and we need to make it work.

I believe that for sellers to get out, we need to end up with a thing that would be a bit more personal and should be doing something that will change the result in the end, and sellers do not see that yet and probably feel it is not the time yet.

It is very true that hodlers as the case often is for investors of our time aren’t actively taking advantage of the volatile nature of bitcoin as a result, lose out of the daily opportunities of gains you could get out of a prevailing market condition.
It also prevents some loses as well given that, the result isn’t always gains and gains.

What comes to mind about hodling is risk management as, you cannot completely understand the market and not actively trading not only keeps you away from the profits you could have been making but as well, limits the level of risk you would be exposed to.
When the risk out weighs the possibility of always getting it right, hodling becomes a more plausible option.

Bedsides, it’s not always the best idea to leave your funds on exchanges as this is often the case in order to have those leverage on trading.

well yes I guess. If one can have an opportunity to make money out of BTC, I guess that's enough to maximize bitcoin potential. Why? because just imagine how many people lose their funds and money compare to you who can make some. That is a surmountble feat is it? That one shot opportunity that you though was not good enough was truly a great opportunity to catch. It is just a matter of knowing that enough is enough. That not losing moey in the market was also a skill no only in multiplying it.

Trading is not for everybody so we can’t really force someone to do what we are doing, and that is not because they don’t want to maximize the opportunity in the market its just that they are limiting their risk exposure or else they will lose everything. In cryptomarket and with Bitcoin, its better to have your own strategy than to follow the crowd so better to have one, and make sure that it works with your own timeline and not because of someone’s strategy.

Well, to be a trader doesn't necessarily mean you can always timing the price fluctuations to profit. Because it requires knowledge, strategy, analysis and time management, these are crucial if you're going to be a trader. Moreover not all traders are gaining, the reason why some of them chose to just hold their Bitcoin because it is less stressful.

I'm an active trader before who turned a long term hodler. This suits me and more beneficial. If you're able to profit in trading then good for you. But keep in mind that you can't dictate the people here to do as you say since we have different strategy to maximize our chance to profit in crypto regardless of as a trader or long term hodler.

People invest in Bitcoin when they see its price rise. People who invest in bitcoins invest in bitcoins with the plan of holding bitcoins for a long time but may not be able to hold bitcoins for a long time because of their need or for some other reason. If Bitcoin is a short-term investment then we will not realize that kind of profit or loss from Bitcoin but when investing in Bitcoin for a long period of time we will see a significant amount of profit or loss from Bitcoin. 
The total supply of Bitcoins in the market is the total supply but flows from one person to another like money. Some are using bitcoins for trading, some are using bitcoins for long term holding, some are selling bitcoins for their own needs, That is Bitcoins are moving from one person to another.

Even though you are very good at doing TA and have deep knowledge about trading still was hard to timing the market price due to its volatility. That is why some holders wanted to stay as holders rather than use their funds to trade because they thought it was less risky and not stressful. Of course, if you are not really confident to do trading why you should do it in fact, we can still earn a profit from just holding and selling at high. It was not how we miximized our funds while waiting for the bull season but we chose the way that we thought it never gives us losses which holding does.

Timing plays a key role not only in trading, but in just holding too. It is not enough to just buy and wait and then sell at a high price. You will not be able to not worry at all and not monitor the market. Because to successfully close the transaction, you need to sell on time, and this is what many holders do not do, in the hope that the asset will continue to grow further.

First, note that for a trade to truly impact the price of bitcoin, the scope of the trade must be limited to the spot market or something else that actually moves supply.
Back to the OP's statement,if people take that perspective, maybe bitcoin isn't their priority because some assets actually have higher volatility to get profits that are closer to the daily income targets.

It is logical that everyone will act according to their beliefs, how they see the market. I chose long-term investing for myself because I know that for me it is the best possible option. If there is a trader who can earn more over the long term than Bitcoin can grow, then of course he will trade and eventually earn more than me, but this does not mean that this can change anything for me, because I am not such a good trader and often suffer losses because I am just learning. But if you look at the high-status users of this forum, almoust everyone says that hold btc defeats any other attempts to make a profit, so why try to invent something new?

Yes, I agree with you. The best returns, in my opinion, are stable returns. And stability in the market cannot be achieved without the ability not to lose your deposit and already earned funds. Therefore, knowing when to exit a position at the right time, and doing so when you are confident the time is right, is paramount to successful trading.

I agree that it is best for me too. There are a lot of people who try to trade and make a profit but I personally believe that I would not be able to make as much profit from it that way as I possibly could and I rather not do that at all. This is why it is a lot better if we are smarter about it, and should be doing some good return in the end.

I get that it could be a bit more of a challenge in the end if we are not careful, but as long as we get to do what we want to do, we should be fine with it without a worry. Many people care about maximizing, and they do not really realize that they should be able to actually do something that would make more profit if they were careful about it. That is why long term is the way to go.

It should also be noted that the available supply of bitcoin is only 21 million and only a few have yet to be mined. And some supplies don't all circulate, some remain in the user's wallet without being able to be moved because the user doesn't have the key and that becomes a graveyard for the bitcoin. This indicates that there will be fewer bitcoins in circulation.
Bitcoin for the long term is certainly highly recommended because it will provide more returns than just holding it short term. Also pay attention to what price you enter and at what price you leave.

And this is an important step on the development of a trader, trying to obtain the highest profits is in fact the goal of every single market participant, however if we take this to the extreme then this could mean investing in shitcoins hoping for a coin to skyrocket, which is precisely what many people do by the way.

However since the chances of success are so low many people are against doing this, and a similar logic applies to trading in general, even if a good trader can make more money than a holder, what good does that information does for me if I am not a good trader anyway? As in that case it is preferable I become a holder instead since I can actually make some money in this way.

such abilities were not possessed by greedy traders. traders may be able to master many trading skills. However, without sufficient experience so that traders can have good control over every trading plan they make, many traders will be trapped in greed.

I'm sure most traders have experienced this, the momentum to exit a trade because they have made a profit but see the possibility that the price could rise again so they are forced to continue trading in the hope of making more profits. Maybe you will get more profits, but more people will get stuck when everything in their activities does not go as expected.

OP you should know that not everyone has the time to look into what they are trading. Some persons trade as a per time not full time while some do it for fun. You could have brought different options on how can benefit. Not only that, there is always loss incurred in the long run but you wouldn't let the kids overrun your profits.

Some traders prefer copy trading which is also a good thing if you choose a good Elite trader, I have seen an exchange that also has Bot copy trading which is already a plus in the arena of copy trading. There's also a passive income strategy anyone could practice and get the result they wanted

Copy trading is being suggested everywhere when there are a lot of newbies. It sounds good but you'll also see the other side of it when the trades done by that trader you're copying isn't good.

Well, there are the stats so that's the actual number that shows why you're going to choose the best trader that you're about to copy. It's an easy strategy, however it's still best to do what you can do and learn from it.

So, you're free to roam and go in every market you wish and do the trade. At the same time, if you just want to copy trade while holding, that's on you but holding is one of the best strategy that allows you to other things.

I don't have data about the number of traders who quit but I believe that more people quit rather than pursue their trading career. One reason is that they find it hard to deal with their emotions. Of course, we can see profit in trading but the question is if it is really the thing that happens to us when we try it or if we just lose our money. That is why I can't blame people for just holding as they believe this is the safest thing to do rather than risking their money into trading. Trading is a choice...

I definitely agree that bitcoin trading gives more opportunities and creates more rewards than simply bitcoin hodling. But let us all know that bitcoin trading has bigger risk and higher chances of losing especially if you rush into trading without sufficient knowledge and honed skills and strategies that will make you win your trades. I believe a lot are doing this and so they end up losing. And realized in the end that there’s bitcoin hodling that will still give them excellent profits as long as they can withstand the high volatility of the market.

I could agree as I've tried it and lost my entire capital. This will tell me that trading couldn't be for everyone because I believe that there are people who really meant for this and I don't see I was fit in trading but just for holding. Also, we can see some people are the opposite, they are pretty good at trading but not good at holding. In means that everyone has differences and passions in life so we can choose the best thing for us. Some people force themselves to become a trader and suffer losses, I don't think it was a smart decision either.

Actually, this depends on the investor if the people just want to hold their Bitcoin let them do this because they have plans to hold, people just know the Bitcoin keep urging other people to deal with what they want, some people know already the use of bitcoin some of them doesn't really care at all just they want to hold. Currently based on my knowledge bitcoin now is widely use in different payment, method, investment, trades, and exchange I know there's a lot more can be use of it but of course it will depends on the people what they want to do with their bitcoin.

What you suggesting is a day trading. The problem with trading is, it’s not stable when it comes to bitcoin. The same reason that make you think we should trade can be the reason to lose everything in single day or who knows in single trade itself. I would be wondering if holders are willing to do it. For guy like me whose only focusing on holding it would be nightmare if I see I am in position of loosing everything.

The day trading or trading basically isn’t same for all. Many of us might not even comfortable with it due to less knowledge about technical analysis. I think staying low if you have no knowledge about it is the best key here.

Yes, that is true. Because daily or weekly Bitcoin trading will definitely be profitable. But the problem is, it requires quite a large amount of capital to be able to make a profit with the amount you wrote down. Meanwhile, quite a lot of bitcoin investors only have capital under $500 in bitcoin. So achieving a profit target of $20-30 per day will definitely be very difficult, even almost impossible. So to trade Bitcoin on a short-term or daily basis, quite large capital is required. The minimum is to have $5k worth of bitcoin assets. If it is below that number, in my opinion it will be very difficult.

Additionally, I personally prefer investing in bitcoin for the long term. Because I think investing over a long period of time really saves time, for example not always monitoring market movements every day. Because what I experienced, monitoring market movements every day was very tiring and other activities became a bit disturbed.

However, perhaps some bitcoin investors who have quite large capital and do not have other activities can definitely trade bitcoin in a short time period/daily. Because if there are no other activities and you have large enough capital, you will definitely be more focused and the profits you will get will definitely be more optimal.

Volatility in the Bitcoin market will remain the most as we know that everyone has gained good experience about this digital currency and subsequently invested in it. It's interesting that the market swings several times a day, which makes a trader fear profit and they can make money from Bitcoin. Moreover, an investor knows that there will be volatility in the Bitcoin market and the financial assets he holds will never fail but will bring success in the future. Bitcoin should never be short term investment as it is better to invest long term, short term employment can never make much profit. But if a bitcoiner invests long-term in his future, he can certainly become a big man and not run out of money. And if an active trader trades from good ideas and constantly with that knowledge, he can definitely earn $20 to $30 dollars per day.

That is not exactly true. There can be totally red days or even weeks. That is why we can not say anything for sure. "Definitely" is no an appropriate term to use in the crypto trading context. You can think about a good profitable strategy but even if you have thought it all through, it wouldn't work all the time.

The way you presented this to us makes it sound like you are never going to make any losses while trading. Which is never the case with trading. It is risky and you get both wins and losses. So encouraging people to get involved in this is not the right advice. Why do you think people choose to HODL instead of trading Bitcoin? If it was not that profitable then why do it? We can make good profits with daily or weekly trading with Bitcoin for its volatile nature but that also makes it more risky.

If you can make use of your skills to make profits from Bitcoin trading, then that's good for you. But just because you can does not mean others can do the same thing. Don't be ignorant about the fact that not everyone is the same.

Yes this is true that people don't have enough money to continue their life expenses that's why they sell their bitcoin in order to meet these needs. Therefore this amount can be move from seller and buyers which means that amount of bitcoin is limited but people are changing their ideas due to which bitcoin movement happens.

Some people have lost their bitcoin as a result of losing their keys and they don't have access to it but this little amount have no effect on the total supply of bitcoin as people will be able to buy and sell bitcoin in just a little part.

All the citizens of country are not buying bitcoin because some are not able to buy it while some are not trusting it easily therefore we cannot say that all number of bitcoin is moving here to there may be some are not enter into the process of circulation now.

Yeah true, I mean what you said not what he said. It's not guaranteed to make a profit daily or weekly from bitcoin when you are trading. It doesn't mean you can't, you may end up making a profit, but there is a good chance that you may not make a profit as well. So, people should be careful about it no matter what.

I believe that we need to end up focusing a bit more towards making profit as much as you possibly could, and if you can do that then we are going to end up with a profit that would make sense. I understand it's not going to be that easy, as long as we let it be then we are going to end up with a good result one way or another. I believe that we can make sure that it's going to be something that will benefit us.

My trading strategy requires daily trading, I do it every day. And I have a particular percentage in mind while opening orders, I use take profit orders, and I believe I know, what I want in the end of the deal. This implies I have a goal in the end of the month, the specific percentage as well. However, I also assume that in the best case only 2/3 of a month can be profitable, when everything is going like I thought. I cannot count on every day being as profitable as I want. Some of the days can be even red, I can loose not only the potential profit, but also a part of the deposit. This is why we cannot have an illusion of daily or weekly trading as exceptional profitable activity.

The OP's theory is all well and good, but it would be much better if he backed it up with proof that the trading he does gives him consistent long-term profits, but he's not going to do that. Seeing that since he wrote the OP hasn't commented here I'd be willing to bet that he doesn't even trade and it was an attempt at merit fishing.


Would you care to elaborate? The vast majority of traders lose money but some make money. If you are one of those who win it would be interesting if you could share your experience, such as how long you have been trading, with what approximate capital, what profitability and things like that.

Sure, maybe someone would give some piece of advice. But it worth mentioning, that I am from Ukraine, and cost of life is much lower here compered to European countries or USA/Canada. That is why for somebody my strategy could be less useful, as they have to earn way too much more, than I do.

My monthly deposit is approximately 3000-4000 dollars. Everyday I trade on this amount. I choose only those currencies, I find reliable. For me those are BTC and ETH. And I do only long positions. I am satisfied with one deal, which is opened and closed within one day. The percentage I look for is in the range of 1.3%-1.6%. No more. However, I understand that a day candle could be more than this, I choose not to take unnecessary risks. From my experience, 1.3%-1.6% growth happens every day, no matter which market it is today. I analyse when is the right moment to enter and open position with the goal of 1.3%-1.6%. I do it every day. In a month period I plan to have from 39% to 48%, if every day is successful. However, I am fully aware that every single day of a month cannot be as profitable as I with, sometimes I even close orders with loss. That is why I calculate, that at least 2/3 of a month should be as I plan. That is how I earn at least from 26% to 32% of my deposit in a month. This is all I earn for a living, actually. I have been trading for 2.5 years.

In my opinion, Hodler and daily trading both maximize BTC potential. The only difference is in the time frame, the Hodler buys and sells in the long term (buy when the BTC price experiences a sharp decline during bearish times and sell during bullish times) perhaps with quite a large amount of funds and get a large profit too. Traders do it for a short time, sometimes in minutes to make a profit, but here sometimes they make a profit or even a loss.

I think holding and trading are two different things. People who hold Bitcoin are long-term investors, and the difference between investing and trading is that investing is always done for the long term, and trading is always done for the short term. Investing is easier than trading while day trading can be very difficult and risky. Bitcoin price fluctuates on a daily basis. In which an experienced trader can make good profits, but also keep in mind that the market can go against your analysis.

While investing in Bitcoin is always done when the price falls. In investment, if the price of Bitcoin falls further, the investor does not have to face much trouble, because the purpose of this is long-term investment. So it doesn't matter much if the price falls,because he is not investing on any time frame, he knows that the price of Bitcoin will go back up one day.On the other hand, the trader sells at a loss when the price falls because he has to buy from below to take the trade again,because he is trading on a time frame on a daily basis,he cannot wait for long.

That is the true aim of a crypto trader in the commercial industry that we live in. As traders, our main goal is to make a profit, not to forecast an uncertain profit. That is why some people in our society continually teach and emphasize the importance of trade knowledge.

We have approaches and means to benefit in the crypto business field because of our knowledge. And Bitcoin is the major thing that is good and proved to generate extremely big profit if you store it for a long time, especially now that Bitcoin halving will begin next year, just a few months from now.

The Bitcoin market fluctuates several times a day, only giving traders an opportunity to profit from it. There are also many investors who have held Bitcoin for a long time, but are not fully patient due to market volatility. But for those who trade daily, Bitcoin offers opportunities based solely on market ups and downs. It is true that Bitcoin can only be viewed as a long-term investment that an investor can earn well in the future from that investment. Moreover, those who are knowledgeable and experienced traders can complete daily income of $20 to $30 dollars if they know good strategies about the market. But there are many people who are trading different YouTube videos to earn daily but once they trade accordingly they have maximum risk of losing money. Investing in Bitcoin requires taking good investor advice so that the investment decisions made by that investor can be profitable. Moreover, if a trader watches YouTube videos to earn his daily income, he will surely take wrong advice, and he will not get good experience from there, and it will not be possible for him to earn daily. So I think in order to make decent income one must take the advice of a good trader, only then an investor can invest money and earn profit from it.

I would say if they can make a profit daily, then he can make that much profit too. It's already quite troublesome to make that kind of profit, and I believe that we are going to end up with a lot of trouble anyway, so there is really no reason to keep insisting on something like this, it's not going to really change anything.

Daily trading and making a profit from it is something hard and not a lot of people can do it, I do wish that a lot of people did, and you can, the more people buy the more we all profit, but unfortunately it's not that easy. Which is why I do not think that the amount is the problem, I think the idea itself is already difficult as it is and would be hard to make it no matter what the amount is.

Chances are not always on your side, dude. It's just like you say that every week the trading activity that we will do can really be profitable. Even if you say that you have 500 dollars to trade the rolling system you will do within a week, you still cannot say that you will get a lot of profit because the market is indeed unpredictable.

Because there are times when the movement of the assets we hold is not aggressive, there is also a time scenario where, even if you have a small amount of capital, you can earn more than your capital after a week because it still depends on what is happening in the world of crypto space, such as the crypto news, the situation of the global economy, and so on.

it makes sense to make bitcoin a profit of $30 to $50. However, this is a highly volatile trade. Of course, high risks have big benefits. Unfortunately, some ordinary people still think this is a strange investment because they earn a lot from investing in a shorter time. actually they just don't know its potential.

It’s interesting that everyone writes that day trading is risky and dangerous, and that only few people can make money on it, and that a trader needs to listen to the advice of some YouTube gurus, and that Bitcoin has excellent potential to make a profit, but the problem is that it’s difficult to choose a working strategy, and there are a million more synonymous repetitions of the same thing, but when I wrote a few days ago about my day trading strategy, which works for me at least, I did not receive a single comment or question. I wonder if people are really interested in discussing profitable daily strategies or is it more interesting to churn out similar posts?

Are you saying that this strategy is a full proof for making profits without losses ? this wouldnt even happen. As usual, Am there are also numerous strategies on youtube of this kind. its not everyone that can be a trader or like to watch charts to catch movement every single day. Learning a strategy even takes some time so its not something that will come so easy. if its that easy then everyone will be trading daily.

It is true that trading is risky and that's the reality that not everyone is earning from it. If you do, congratulations to you. Being stable from trading is a hard thing to most. But as a trader, the information that you need to extract from those gurus are only the data that they're sharing from the world news or fundamentals that happens.

But if it's the actual strategy they share, it might not work for you.

It is best to stay on what makes you profitable and do it until it's not that effective to you anymore.

As a Bitcoin holder myself, it is my choice to just holding it than trading regardless of the market movement as I am not a day trader. Although trading is for everyone but “not for everyone”.  

The movement of Bitcoin’s price is unpredictable and it can go up or down at any moment without warning. Trading is much more riskier than buying and holding.

Maybe the OP was lucky enough to grab the opportunity to trade and made profit during that time. But do not expect that everyday will be earning profits as it is not a stable income source. There will always be losses and it’s something that we cannot avoid and is way out of our control.

You must have had a lot of losses last two years. BTC and ETH prices were mostly falling. How did you manage to find the right moment to open a long position every day? Yes, in BTC/USD chart, height of many day candles is more than 1.3 %. But the height is calculated as the difference between the top price of the day and the bottom price of the day. And on many days, the bottom was after the top. So even if I’d buy the very bottom, it wouldn’t necessary mean that a 1.3% increase could follow. Vice versa, during the bear market its probability is not so high.

Finally, I got a feedback! Thank you! I already started disappointing that nobody cares about replies to the questions they asked themselves in the first place.

Actually, my losses were not that catastrophic. Of course, I had them and still have them from time to time, however generally I always find myself in a plus. I don`t say I always know when the right moment for opening a position is, but I try to find one everyday using technical indicators. And I guess I have succeeded in this, because I chose not so high percentage of a profit which satisfies me. And also as I said before, my calculations suppose that not all 30 or 31 days of a month will be profitable. But I try to make such at least 20 days. And I succeed so far. I believe that doing such trading can lead me to my goal, which is financial freedom and possibility not to work as an employee.

I can say both investing and trading can bring maximum profits if you are also skilled in both. But if you think you are still not capable to trade successfully, then never do it. That will only mean a loss for you if you still pursue on that. However, with bitcoin long term hodling, your end profits will always be massive as long as you have the required qualities of a long term hodler, which means if you have that, you are still maximizing your potentials as a bitcoin hodler.