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Title: How can we support Bitcoin if Satoshi demands life sentencing for non-violence Post by: z00mer on September 02, 2023, 05:46:07 PM Am an OG Bitcoiner slowly coming around to the fact that Craig is Satoshi. I was not extremely early (nor successful) but have been buzzing around since 2012 nonetheless.
And I'm also an independent coder who's since built applications on Bitcoin and been paid in Bitcoin for services/hours rendered apart of consulting & software projects. I also have a small brick & mortar shop & accept Bitcoin at the till. In other words, I'm a rare but real user of Bitcoin using it for real world/day to day transactions. Though I was skeptical of SegWit, like many I glossed over the attack/smear propaganda on Craig and just superficially thought that well he must be a fraud cause everyone says so. It wasn't until only recently, discouraged by the echo chamber that is BTC and inspired by the need to make some key technology decisions for upcoming product development, that I began to listen to his talks and more recently the interviews/podcasts. He is clearly a passionate & talented individual with all of the credentials & experience needed to have created the original Bitcoin. Not that it matters looking forward. I wanted to give Bitcoin SV a chance particularly as I have a growing need for a secure endpoint / addressing system ie- blockchain for this product I have been working on for some amount of years. Not to mention a couple related projects that will share the same tech. I've built on BTC thus far but Lightning network breaks the chain IMO and I think this is disruptive for longterm application development. Naturally I turned my attention to BCH and BSV. Then I heard Craig say something that concerns me deeply. It was his response to regarding Ross Ulbricht here at 51:18 https://youtu.be/E9t63P3vdeA?si=s2YDcgTyvC68FoZv&t=3074 "Should he be in jail for consecutive life terms?" "yes, I believe so" he goes on to say that "if we ever have corrupt police, that is one of the worst things... corrupt police - public execution if you ask me" Is he not being incredibly shortsightedness about the corrupt policing involved in Ross' case? Someone tried to cookup a murder-for-hire story that was never applicable in court because it was so flaky. Who was that... did it involve corrupt police? And is the judge corrupt for the excessive sentencing? If a corrupt cop deserves death what about a judge? And regarding drugs, I respect that he is taking a strong moral position against the distribution of dangerous substances. But 2 wrongs do not make a right; if a freedom loving pie in the sky entrepreneur made the mistake of creating a market (using Craig's tech) that was a little too open - which paved the way for OTHER bad people to do bad things - where does Craig with his masters degree in law determine that said marketowner deserves to rot in a cage until death with the keys thrown away? And who will carry out this sentencing for Craig; he expects that 'the system' will just work out and handle this pesky criminal entreprenuer for him. If Craig Wright wants Ross in a cage forever, Craig should be the one who tries to keep him there. At least then his friends & family would have much more viable option to bust him out. Anyway, I tried to engage with Craig directly on this, but he subsequently blocked me on Twitter without providing a satisfactory reply. So here we are. This is a bit of a wrench in my plans; I was keen to learn more about setting up a BSV node and the costs involved. Not necessarily to run one myself but I wanted to experiment and test the features/functionality of BSV before saddling up and doing any serious product development on this. And tangentiality I think this series of events naturally oerlaps with an internal philosophical struggle in using money altogther. On one had we need a system better than fiat. On the other, replacing one elaborate system for a new elaborate system does not seem like the solution human civilization really needs. In fact, it seems money itself - aka root of all evil - really is the root of all evil. Or stated otherwise, a cancerous idea that is going to wipe us out or at best - chain us forever. The deeper problem even beyond money it seems is consent to third party authority: systems, people, technology ie- anyone who is not directly involved in fulfilling your needs. For example, if Craig didn't consent his authority for force to third parties he would need to use force himself or at least his own resources to imprison someone for forever. This is ironically the solution to that natural balance he himself says is necessary. Today I just 'use money' and Bitcoin right now cause like everyone else it is the 'current sea' I find myself in. More and more however, I just want to sail to a place where there is not this mass of consenting believers everywhere; I want to return to nature and exchange what I have for what I need with people without a third party system or shadowperson involving themselves in every transaction. Of course, the ship may have sailed already as our world is torched around us by those who have for so long taken advantage of this critical flaw in human 'civilization' /end rant. Title: Re: How can we support Bitcoin if Satoshi demands life sentencing for non-violence Post by: franky1 on September 02, 2023, 05:56:30 PM firstly CSW is not satoshi. never was him never was affiliated with him.. CSW first heard about bitcoin in 2011 and first bought btc in 2013.
end of that story as for the actual satoshi. he wont be arrested or thrown in prison due to the fact that there is no back door satoshi owns to corrupt bitcoin which can be abused under threat by authorities.. also if you look at all the altcoin inventors that are personally known. none of them have been arrested or imprisoned for inventing their crypto. so chill out on the drama. its a non story which you have been mis-informed about on many levels and then formed a opinion based on non-facts that said. CSW will someday get arrested, prosecuted and imprisoned at some point due to his scams and perjury.. its only a matter of time. but none of his antics are related to bitcoin by the way CSW did not have any talent or credentials of provable intelligence. there is however real evidence that he plagiarised and used ghost writers to write his coursework and degree assignments Title: Re: How can we support Bitcoin if Satoshi demands life sentencing for non-violence Post by: stompix on September 02, 2023, 05:58:11 PM Am an OG Bitcoiner slowly coming around to the fact that Craig is Satoshi. If I were I would sue your doctor in case he prescribed you anything weird lately. You might win more in damages than trading or holding Bitcoin as it obviously caused you something pretty serious! He is clearly a passionate & talented individual with all of the credentials & experience needed to have created the original Bitcoin. Told ya, this is something weird, next you're going to hear colors and smell sounds. Now ignoring all the BS, it doesn't matter who invented what and what his views would be,Tor was developed by the US military, the NRL branch, does that stop you from using it? And let's not even talk about who and why invented Fanta! Satoshi can come back and be a racist transexual homophobic gun lover anti-abortion muslim communist Illuminati reptilian hater, the code won't change. Title: Re: How can we support Bitcoin if Satoshi demands life sentencing for non-violence Post by: z00mer on September 02, 2023, 06:02:41 PM Quote from: stompix > Now ignoring all the BS, it doesn't matter who invented what and what his views would be,Tor was developed by the US military, the NRL branch, does that stop you from using it? And let's not even talk about who and why invented Fanta! Satoshi can come back and be a racist transexual homophobic gun lover anti-abortion muslim communist Illuminati reptilian hater, the code won't change. Good point! Craig's choice of chain has a useful feature (unlimited block size, which happens to be particularly useful for my specific application devolopment needs) so I suppose even if he is a scamming tyrant who wishes his own users lifetime imprisonment... perhaps the tech should be given a chance. Quote from: franky1 so chill out on the drama. its a non story which you have been mis-informed about on many levels and then formed a opinion based on non-facts Is the case of Ross Ulbricht a non-story/non-fact? Quote from: franky1 there is however real evidence that he plagiarised and used ghost writers to write his coursework and degree assignments Care to share this real evidence? I admit my assesment on Craig is early and based mostly on gut and human impression so I am willing to be proven wrong with verifable facts. Though I find his passion and the moral stance he took during pre Segwit fork rather good for his case - this was just as the smear campaign on him was heating up and he was pissed off the kind of vigor one can only summon when they are challenged on something genuine. Title: Re: How can we support Bitcoin if Satoshi demands life sentencing for non-violence Post by: LoyceMobile on September 02, 2023, 06:08:04 PM Am an OG Bitcoiner slowly coming around to the fact that Craig is Satoshi. How not to be taken seriously, lesson 1. Is this really the best you can start with after 11 years?I've seen more than a hundred signed messages that prove the delusional troll's claims are a lie. If you want to try again, start over. Title: Re: How can we support Bitcoin if Satoshi demands life sentencing for non-violence Post by: z00mer on September 02, 2023, 06:11:58 PM I've seen more than a hundred signed messages that prove the delusional troll's claims are a lie. Did you provide these in court? A judge ruled in his favor that he is Satoshi Nakamoto. Evidently the judge needed to see these signed messages you have. Title: Re: How can we support Bitcoin if Satoshi demands life sentencing for non-violence Post by: LoyceMobile on September 02, 2023, 06:18:56 PM I've seen more than a hundred signed messages that prove the delusional troll's claims are a lie. Did you provide these in court? A judge ruled in his favor that he is Satoshi Nakamoto. Evidently the judge needed to see these signed messages you have. You can fake almost everything by bullying people into lawsuits, but you can't fake a signed message. Although that is exactly how the troll started, except that nobody got to see the signature. Title: Re: How can we support Bitcoin if Satoshi demands life sentencing for non-violence Post by: decodx on September 02, 2023, 06:25:19 PM Am an OG Bitcoiner slowly coming around to the fact that Craig is Satoshi. Nope, this is where I hit the pause button on your post. Ain't got time for this nonsense. Next! Title: Re: How can we support Bitcoin if Satoshi demands life sentencing for non-violence Post by: darkangel11 on September 02, 2023, 06:26:12 PM It wasn't until only recently, discouraged by the echo chamber that is BTC and inspired by the need to make some key technology decisions for upcoming product development, that I began to listen to his talks and more recently the interviews/podcasts. He is clearly a passionate & talented individual with all of the credentials & experience needed to have created the original Bitcoin. Not that it matters looking forward. (...) But 2 wrongs do not make a right; if a freedom loving pie in the sky entrepreneur made the mistake of creating a market (using Craig's tech) You make an assumption, do not defend or prove it in any way, then proceed to treat it like a fact in another sentence. I hope everybody can see what you're trying to do in this post. If you come up with something like that, trying to justify a lie that Craig is telling the world, at least have the decency of giving us some facts. Writing things like "Craig's tech" here is going to get you nowhere. It's not Craig's tech, unless you, or him can prove otherwise. As far as I know Craig's been trying to do it for years and failing miserably. Read about the forged documents he produced in court and maybe you'll stop kissing his ass and start thinking critically. Title: Re: How can we support Bitcoin if Satoshi demands life sentencing for non-violence Post by: KiaKia on September 02, 2023, 06:27:04 PM Craig isn't Satoshi and the same goes to every people that want the world to know that they are Bitcoin creator.
The real Satoshi doesn't want to be recognised and these bandits are fighting each other to grab the name 'Satoshi' for themselves, if truly they work hard to build Bitcoin they should know better that staying anonymous is the KEY. Something that only the real Satoshi Nakamoto will do. Craig and others are fake and by trying to prove to the world that they are Satoshi makes them even more fake. Title: Re: How can we support Bitcoin if Satoshi demands life sentencing for non-violence Post by: aoluain on September 02, 2023, 06:41:30 PM Am an OG Bitcoiner slowly coming around to the fact that Craig is Satoshi. Nope, this is where I hit the pause button on your post. Ain't got time for this nonsense. Next! Ha ha - me too decodx as have almost everyone else who has visited this thread. Aleast you have saved us the time of reading what I imagine is pure waffle by opening with that first line. OP, its obvious you are new here that you make this post and expect to be taken seriously, you should know that faketoshi's house of cards has started to fall, the foundations have been compromised. If you are 11 years a Bitcoiner what was your thoughts before CSW started making his fake claims, surely you would know that CSW's manner, claims, personality goes against everything Bitcoin. It simply never added up. Title: Re: How can we support Bitcoin if Satoshi demands life sentencing for non-violence Post by: Z-tight on September 02, 2023, 07:12:30 PM Did you provide these in court? A judge ruled in his favor that he is Satoshi Nakamoto. Evidently the judge needed to see these signed messages you have. Nobody has to prove anything in court, Craig Wright's lies are just too obvious for anyone who understands how BTC works. Whoever created BTC is a genius and they would not have to go from court to court to prove anything, even to the point of presenting different false evidences; they'll prove that they are Satoshi by using the network they created and sign a simple BTC message. I also don't think any court has 'conclusively' ruled in his favor, he is just trying to bully people into believing him and suing whoever 'hurts his feelings' by calling him out.Title: Re: How can we support Bitcoin if Satoshi demands life sentencing for non-violence Post by: Lida93 on September 02, 2023, 07:38:44 PM Am an OG Bitcoiner slowly coming around to the fact that Craig is Satoshi. I was not extremely early (nor successful) but have been buzzing around since 2012 nonetheless. Don't know if I'll be wrong to say it's a 12 wasted years and you just have to rewind the years and start afresh but this time tryna making it useful by refusing to buy this so-called shit you call a fact.Do you think Craig would be the infamous Satoshi and he won't have revealed it long before now? Quote He is clearly a passionate & talented individual with all of the credentials & experience needed to have created the original Bitcoin. Not that it matters looking forward. No one says he's not talented and neither is any questions his experience in cryptocurrency but he's definitely not in the person of Satoshi. Title: Re: How can we support Bitcoin if Satoshi demands life sentencing for non-violence Post by: suzanne5223 on September 02, 2023, 07:42:45 PM Though I was skeptical of SegWit It is normal for people to be skeptical about new innovative technology at first until they see or learn about the problem it solves. I was once skeptical about Bitcoin before I saw the positive side of it and accumulated it.like many I glossed over the attack/smear propaganda on Craig and just superficially thought that well he must be a fraud cause everyone says so. There is no need to think that Craig Wright's propaganda is fraud because everyone said so when the evidence that proves him to be false Satoshi is available for the public to know. Besides, on 7th February 2023 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5438922.msg61732230#msg61732230), Craig Wright lost Bitcoin copyright at the England and Wales High Court division.He is clearly a passionate & talented individual with all of the credentials & experience needed to have created the original Bitcoin Everything you see in him is something a professional thief and Ph.D. holder in Computer science can do. However, he didn't have passion for Bitcoin and it's writing all over his face.Title: Re: How can we support Bitcoin if Satoshi demands life sentencing for non-violence Post by: z00mer on September 02, 2023, 07:43:59 PM A judge means nothing compared to cryptographic evidence. Nobody cares what a certain judge ruled somewhere on the planet. You can fake almost everything by bullying people into lawsuits, but you can't fake a signed message. Although that is exactly how the troll started, except that nobody got to see the signature. Don't necessarily disagree that courts are most often shit but he has so far done more work to prove his case than you have against - since you did not provide any of the signed messages claimed. I'm gunna say you are so far neutral on the matter, but I appreciate your input and let us know if you do have a signed message proof at some point. Quote from: darkangel11 You make an assumption, do not defend or prove it in any way, then proceed to treat it like a fact in another sentence. I hope everybody can see what you're trying to do in this post. The only thing I'm trying to do is vent some frustration (Craig blocked me/ended our conversation on Twitter), some ideas and get some input - so I do appreciate your input. I will look into the supposed evidence of forged documents in the meantime if you have a link or somewhere to get started on that regard please share it. Title: Re: How can we support Bitcoin if Satoshi demands life sentencing for non-violence Post by: Doan9269 on September 02, 2023, 07:47:27 PM Am an OG Bitcoiner slowly coming around to the fact that Craig is Satoshi. I don't need to waste my time any longer in reading through the entire thread because this alone has made the justification to what the complete content would carry, people like you should not take much of our attention if over these time all you could derive is in conclusion that Craig Wright is Satoshi, then it's either you're one of the paid servants being loyal to Craig to have come this low by saying what is not just because you're been paid or maybe you just have a total zero idea of what has been going on since the beginning of this case. Title: Re: How can we support Bitcoin if Satoshi demands life sentencing for non-violence Post by: stompix on September 02, 2023, 07:52:00 PM Did you provide these in court? A judge ruled in his favor that he is Satoshi Nakamoto. Evidently the judge needed to see these signed messages you have. And where is that court decision you're talking about? The only case is that of Craig vs Kleiman and even if Craig won as by not having to pay half of 1.1 million BTC to Kleiman no judge would be able to claim in that case that he is Satoshi, they just ruled that he has to pay Kleiman $100 million in damages and not 500 000 BTC that's all, the rest is speculation. https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536.277.0.pdf Quote Two preliminary points. First, the Court is not required to decide, and does not decide, whether Defendant Dr. Craig Wright is Satoshi Nakamoto, the inventor of the Bitcoin cybercurrency. The Court also is not required to decide, and does not decide, how much bitcoin, if any, Dr. Wright controls today Do you think Craig would be the infamous Satoshi Infamous? ;D Title: Re: How can we support Bitcoin if Satoshi demands life sentencing for non-violence Post by: z00mer on September 02, 2023, 07:55:20 PM Quote from: suzanne5223 It is normal for people to be skeptical about new innovative technology at first until they see or learn about the problem it solves. I was once skeptical about Bitcoin before I saw the positive side of it and accumulated it. The thing about Segwit is that after practical application I am concluding on that it was not needed and has created new problems. Developers now must choose between 2 APIs to develop on, BTC or Lightning (and then LND or C-Lightning). If you choose to develop on Lightning you lose immutable blockchain reference to individual transactions. This is detrimental for my application, thus the negative conclusion. My initial gut reaction is proving right at least for my case and I see the merit in unlimited block size despite how difficult it could be to run nodes on such a system. Everything you see in him is something a professional thief and Ph.D. holder in Computer science can do. However, he didn't have passion for Bitcoin and it's writing all over his face. Disagree here, he clearly does have passion for Bitcoin, or at least his vision for it, as evidenced by this talk from 6 years ago: https://youtu.be/JdJexAYjrDw He comes across as a smart guy with a few character flaws who's pissed off about people applying his ideas in ways that were not intended (not to mention the coordinated smear campaign that was just beginning to cook up against him but it does not appear he was so clever as to connect the dots there because if he was perhaps we would recoginize it is that same pattern of coordination that railroaded Ross to prison). Title: Re: How can we support Bitcoin if Satoshi demands life sentencing for non-violence Post by: LoyceMobile on September 02, 2023, 08:00:19 PM If you want to find the signed messages: it's on Bitcointalk and other places. Just search, I'm on mobile.
Found it: Big news regarding Faketoshi and his ownership regarding Tulip Trust addresses. Now, stop the trolling.Someone signed this message from 100 addresses with BTC mined in 2009: "Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud. He doesn't have the keys used to sign this message. The Lightning Network is a significant achievement. However, we need to continue work on improving on-chain capacity. Unfortunately, the solution is not to just change a constant in the code or to allow powerful participants to force out others. We are all Satoshi" Code: "Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud. He doesn't have the keys used to sign this message. source: https://www.reddit.com/r/bsv/comments/gq8ao1/more_than_100_addresses_with_unmoved_bitcoin/ https://paste.debian.net/plain/1148565 Anyone can check and verify if this is true Title: Re: How can we support Bitcoin if Satoshi demands life sentencing for non-violence Post by: serjent05 on September 02, 2023, 10:59:27 PM Am an OG Bitcoiner slowly coming around to the fact that Craig is Satoshi. Nope, this is where I hit the pause button on your post. Ain't got time for this nonsense. Next! Same here, The moment I read what you quoted, I came to the conclusion that I have to ready my popcorn because this will end up into a debacle especially when this kind of idea is thrown here in the forum :) This might have a chance of success to garner a believer if posted in another forum but not here. I stopped reading that wall of text and excitingly waited for the refute to the @OP's post. This will be an educational and a good read thread, not because of @OP's post but the refutes on @OP's proposition of Craig being Satoshi. Title: Re: How can we support Bitcoin if Satoshi demands life sentencing for non-violence Post by: tbct_mt2 on September 02, 2023, 11:03:15 PM Craig is not Satoshi Nakamoto. He is one of Faketoshi.
Who is Satoshi Nakamoto ? Suspects, frauds and conspiracies on bitcointalk (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4359615.0) I gathered every Satoshi Nakamoto thread. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5271796.0) Satoshi Nakamoto is alive or dead or get arrested in future, it won't be matter for Bitcoin network because he does not have a power to pull a request and shut down the Bitcoin network immediately by himself. The network is decentralized and Satoshi Nakamoto can not do anything. Title: Re: How can we support Bitcoin if Satoshi demands life sentencing for non-violence Post by: z00mer on September 02, 2023, 11:49:01 PM Thanks @tbct_mt2 but those are just threads mostly speculation and not actually Satoshi's words.
this is a better resource for those words: https://satoshi.nakamotoinstitute.org I haven't combed through everything but of the initial threads I've reviewed so far none have said anything out of Craig's character. If you find or have something specific Satoshi says that would be out of line with Craig's views, please share it ex: "fuck patents, fuck the government, you can use this to sell drugs" etc It would not be hard to pinpoint some comments that are clearly out of Craig's character given Craig indicates Christian (Catholic then Protestant) background and demonstrates fairly strong morals (even if off base sometimes; ie- he is stubborn) along with IMO a few cringe boomer views on various global issues. Title: Re: How can we support Bitcoin if Satoshi demands life sentencing for non-violence Post by: digaran on September 03, 2023, 12:12:38 AM A judge ruled in his favor that he is Satoshi Nakamoto. Anyone here knows how to contact this real Satoshi? I feel I am missing out on a lot of opportunities, what he needs is a few high rank members to constantly shill for him, shilling is my expertise. Here is my resume : OMG, Crai.. I mean the real satoshi is coming guys look! This is said when he walks in. OMG, crai.. I mean the real satoshi is leaving the building guys, look! This is said when he walks out. Note, I'd need cheerleading outfit ( very short skirt is the best, preferably pink ), I can also twerk all the way from court entrance to his car. 😉😅 Title: Re: How can we support Bitcoin if Satoshi demands life sentencing for non-violence Post by: z00mer on September 03, 2023, 12:24:52 AM Anyone here knows how to contact this real Satoshi? I feel I am missing out on a lot of opportunities, what he needs is a few high rank members to constantly shill for him, shilling is my expertise. Not shilling for him, primarily this was a shot at his backwards views anyway - from that point engaging in the resulting debate; definitely gathered a lot of input thankyou. Title: Re: How can we support Bitcoin if Satoshi demands life sentencing for non-violence Post by: z00mer on September 03, 2023, 03:37:10 AM And where is that court decision you're talking about? The only case is that of Craig vs Kleiman and even if Craig won as by not having to pay half of 1.1 million BTC to Kleiman no judge would be able to claim in that case that he is Satoshi, they just ruled that he has to pay Kleiman $100 million in damages and not 500 000 BTC that's all, the rest is speculation. Fair enough, thanks for the link I'll read more into that. Title: Re: How can we support Bitcoin if Satoshi demands life sentencing for non-violence Post by: o_e_l_e_o on September 03, 2023, 06:47:32 AM If you find or have something specific Satoshi says that would be out of line with Craig's views, please share it ex: "fuck patents, fuck the government, you can use this to sell drugs" etc You mean apart from literally everything CSW has ever said? Lol.Title: Re: How can we support Bitcoin if Satoshi demands life sentencing for non-violence Post by: kryptqnick on September 03, 2023, 02:17:26 PM My solution to this is the same as of many people: I don't believe that Craig is Satoshi, and thus I have no issue with what he says vs what Bitcoin stands for. I don't think Ross belongs in prison, I support the idea that he should be freed. Craig is an annoying person who failed to prove his claim of being Satoshi over and over again, and there's literally zero evidence that he is Satoshi. If you're serious, op, I hope that the overwhelming opinion that Craig is not Satoshi, which you can partly find in this very thread, will convince you. If you're looking for evidence, even starting with something as simple as sources below the English Wikipedia page on Craig can help with that.
Title: Re: How can we support Bitcoin if Satoshi demands life sentencing for non-violence Post by: franky1 on September 03, 2023, 03:53:16 PM Quote from: franky1 so chill out on the drama. its a non story which you have been mis-informed about on many levels and then formed a opinion based on non-facts Is the case of Ross Ulbricht a non-story/non-fact? just because ross used bitcoin.. does not absolve him of other crimes related to running a drugs market place. nor absolve him of desires to hire hitmen.. bitcoin is just currency. its not a law breaker. scammers and tyrants and idiots and such still need to take responsibility for their actions even if [people say] ross never touched drugs personally. wilfully and in full knowledge of allowing illicit trade to be done in your property can lead to you getting into legal trouble. personally profiting from these illicit activities definitely will get you in trouble If you find or have something specific Satoshi says that would be out of line with Craig's views, please share it ex: "fuck patents, fuck the government, you can use this to sell drugs" etc satoshi made bitcoin to be patentless.. he made it open source so there was no control. he even left the community to avoid being treated as a decision maker/owner.. he even stayed out of the press and declined interviews to hide from self promotion CSW however wants to claim bitcoin(falsely) has his. he files patents and self promotes. see the difference Title: Re: How can we support Bitcoin if Satoshi demands life sentencing for non-violence Post by: BlackHatCoiner on September 03, 2023, 04:10:46 PM There is stupidly enough evidence that suggests CSW is a clown show, from altering old blog post to seem as if he was talking about cryptocurrency in 2008 and arguing he's Satoshi without cryptographic evidence, to having himself proved false by the actual owner of Craig-claimed addresses as shown in here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5250960.msg54497216#msg54497216) and contradicting himself with actual Satoshi claims as shown by the Twitter post above.
Title: Re: How can we support Bitcoin if Satoshi demands life sentencing for non-violence Post by: Blitzboy on September 03, 2023, 04:38:39 PM You are a true OG. It's great to try to use the technology in real life. Your worries about what Craig thinks about Ross Ulbricht and the morals of Bitcoin SV are valid. Many people in crypto find it hard to understand what those fucking leaders are doing. But, like you, many of us joined Bitcoin because of faith - freedom.
Using money is hard. Bitcoin is just another "system". Though, Can any monetary system ever be truly free from the human tendency to centralize power or authority? For decentralisation to work, you might have to give up your dream of going back to nature and living in a world of direct trade and trust. Even though it has flaws, Bitcoin is our best bet against fiat. Many people dream of a heaven where there are no third-party systems. It has problems, just like any dream. Time will tell how well Bitcoin can solve this problem, which is why it was created in the first place. Keep going in the same direction and see where this "current sea" takes us. Title: Re: How can we support Bitcoin if Satoshi demands life sentencing for non-violence Post by: bittraffic on September 03, 2023, 04:39:15 PM If Craig was just the real Satoshi, he would have been arrested already and forced by the government to edit those codes, you know how much they are trying to control BTC to the extent that Blackrock is now buying the one asset they use to call scam.
Is the case of Ross Ulbricht a non-story/non-fact? It's a fact also. I think we can agree with the fact that Ross should have gotten a lighter jail time. It seems like they have really doomed the life of him. Other crimes he did I think weren't proven. Like the one where he gave a hit to an agent. Title: Re: How can we support Bitcoin if Satoshi demands life sentencing for non-violence Post by: suzanne5223 on September 03, 2023, 06:46:23 PM It is normal for people to be skeptical about new innovative technology at first until they see or learn about the problem it solves. I was once skeptical about Bitcoin before I saw the positive side of it and accumulated it. The thing about Segwit is that after practical application I am concluding on that it was not needed and has created new problems. Developers now must choose between 2 APIs to develop on, BTC or Lightning (and then LND or C-Lightning). If you choose to develop on Lightning you lose immutable blockchain reference to individual transactions. This is detrimental for my application, thus the negative conclusion. My initial gut reaction is proving right at least for my case and I see the merit in unlimited block size despite how difficult it could be to run nodes on such a system. Everything you see in him is something a professional thief and Ph.D. holder in Computer science can do. However, he didn't have passion for Bitcoin and it's writing all over his face. Disagree here, he clearly does have passion for Bitcoin, or at least his vision for it, as evidenced by this talk from 6 years ago: https://youtu.be/JdJexAYjrDw He comes across as a smart guy with a few character flaws who's pissed off about people applying his ideas in ways that were not intended (not to mention the coordinated smear campaign that was just beginning to cook up against him but it does not appear he was so clever as to connect the dots there because if he was perhaps we would recoginize it is that same pattern of coordination that railroaded Ross to prison). Title: Re: How can we support Bitcoin if Satoshi demands life sentencing for non-violence Post by: Aanuoluwatofunmi on September 03, 2023, 08:01:45 PM How possible is it for someone who is anonymous to sent to a life imprisonment for non violence which means he committed nothing, how about the anonymity as well, how can you get an anonymous person, apprehend him and for doing a non violence act, we can by ourselves see that this is almost impossible to do, others have also made this attempts proclaiming Satoshi but they wouldn't have any proof on it, what can support Satoshi is it's network by being ever relevant.
Title: Re: How can we support Bitcoin if Satoshi demands life sentencing for non-violence Post by: z00mer on September 04, 2023, 04:36:52 AM If Craig was just the real Satoshi, he would have been arrested already and forced by the government to edit those codes, you know how much they are trying to control BTC to the extent that Blackrock is now buying the one asset they use to call scam. Tend to agree, particularly as the precedent for Ross' sentencing implies that they would continue to go up the technology 'chain' to apply proportiante sentencing to Craig as he was also a non-direct non-violent participator in facilitating the Silk Road project. That Craig was not summoned and to this day has not yet faced charges for his role is by some measures more proof he is not Satoshi. You are a true OG... Thanks, it is nice to see a healthy debate & discussion of ideas and opinions after all these years. Despite all of the new user growth this is still better than the cesspool known as Reddit! May the original spirit of Aaron and Satoshi live on. Title: Re: How can we support Bitcoin if Satoshi demands life sentencing for non-violence Post by: Kakmakr on September 04, 2023, 06:02:05 AM Well, one thing is certain..... Satoshi Nakamoto never chased fame and fortune like CW is doing with a passion. ::) That in it self should be enough proof for anyone that has read any of Satoshi Nakamoto's emails and correspondence that still exist.
The mere fact that CW are constantly trying to be relevant and fighting over patents in court, shows that he is a snake oil salesman. He even conned a seasoned Bitcoiner and developer like Gavin, so it is understandable that he confused you too. Just use your energy to focus on a future where CW will finally be out of the picture, because the truth will expose him. Satoshi can settle this issue with one signed message to say that CW is a scammer.... so let's hope this happens soon. ;) Title: Re: How can we support Bitcoin if Satoshi demands life sentencing for non-violence Post by: Lucius on September 04, 2023, 10:09:21 AM Am an OG Bitcoiner slowly coming around to the fact that Craig is Satoshi. I was not extremely early (nor successful) but have been buzzing around since 2012 nonetheless. ~snip~ I wonder what it is with you so-called OGs who wake up one day and decide to make fools of themselves after all that we could hear and read over the years when it comes to Faketoshi. There are people who believe in solid facts, and then there are those who believe in fairy tales, which is nothing bad if you are a 5-year-old child. Nevertheless, for consolation, you are not alone in your beliefs, even the famous Gavin Andresen (https://gizmodo.com/gavin-andresen-i-was-not-hacked-and-i-believe-craig-w-1774226431) at one point shared the same opinions as you, which is even more strange considering that he is a man who was one of the closest associates of Satoshi Nakamoto. It might be a good idea to contact him (send him a PM on the forum) and ask him if he still feels stupid because of his statements. If none of that helps and you still think that Faketoshi is the real Satoshi, I suggest you move to Colombia (https://coingeek.com/dr-craig-s-wright-recognized-as-satoshi-nakamoto-by-council-of-bogota/), because there they still think a little differently than the rest of the world. Title: Re: How can we support Bitcoin if Satoshi demands life sentencing for non-violence Post by: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on September 04, 2023, 04:40:39 PM Craig isn't Satoshi and the same goes to every people that want the world to know that they are Bitcoin creator. The real Satoshi doesn't want to be recognised and these bandits are fighting each other to grab the name 'Satoshi' for themselves, if truly they work hard to build Bitcoin they should know better that staying anonymous is the KEY. Something that only the real Satoshi Nakamoto will do. Craig and others are fake and by trying to prove to the world that they are Satoshi makes them even more fake. One thing is that anyone can even come out and claim that they are Satoshi. For example, I can say that I am Satoshi, but does that mean I am the real investor in Bitcoin? The one person who would not know that Craig is not the investor of Bitcoin should be a newbie who is still learning about Bitcoin, but it's even simpler to know the founder of Bitcoin when you Google the question. Perhaps the so-called individual claiming to be Satoshi doesn't even have a large amount of Bitcoin in their wallet, like some addresses that hold a large sum of Bitcoin, which they refer to as belonging to Satoshi. Title: Re: How can we support Bitcoin if Satoshi demands life sentencing for non-violence Post by: Majestic-milf on September 04, 2023, 05:01:36 PM Am an OG Bitcoiner slowly coming around to the fact that Craig is Satoshi. I was not extremely early (nor successful) but have been buzzing around since 2012 nonetheless. Alert! BS coming through! I mean, how much were you paid to come spew this rubbish? ::) Like seriously? Peeps like you should get quarantined to avoid the spread of such hogwash. Craig is not Satoshi. His wannabe? Maybe. You need reasons as to why your claims are just a desperate attempt to gain attention? Here goes; he NEVER signed any message on a known Bitcoin address that could be widely verified as Satoshi's signature.. Title: Re: How can we support Bitcoin if Satoshi demands life sentencing for non-violence Post by: Ucy on September 04, 2023, 05:08:31 PM The ideals of the one you claim is Satoshi is completely opposite of what Bitcoin represents. This is part of the reason we believe he's not Satoshi, as Satoshi ideals are in his creation, works and writings. Whoever or whatever claims he/it is Satoshi but goes against the Bitcoin ideals/principles is fake satoshi and should not be taken seriously. Even Bitcoin will not listen to such person as he doesn't speak the language it understands. Both (Bitcoin and fake satoshi) are incompatible.
In regards to demanding life sentences for ulbrich, well, if he actually purposely use his marketplace for evil especially for things that are very harmful to society then people like him typically reap what they sow which could be as bad as a life sentence. Other than that, his marketplace seems to be free as Bitcoin, maybe with lack of transparency which maybe necessary to expose evil. Tech like that are typically used by all kinds of characters but they ought to be built responsibly to prevent bad behaviors or abuse. Fair rules, Reputation, Transparency, Moderation, etc would have made the tech more responsible and that could help the inventor avoid harsh punishment like maximum of 5 years imprisonment. Bitcoin will remain decentralized and transparent p2p system for people who want to use money naturally and morally. But people who love money (the love of it is the problem) tend to ignore this important safe guards which is why money is often used as bait to get them trapped and enslaved in the fait system and restricted by its unpleasant features. |