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Title: censoring foul words.
Post by: Zoomic on September 06, 2023, 01:10:50 PM
I searched some old threads and even recent and found alot of trolls. Sometimes the trolling goes extreme. I have read where a big user of this forum was called a pedophile and he was so much wounded that he threatened to involve authorities.
I mean I can also call anyone a black monkey and go away with it. So many people are hurted by what happens online while a few are strong enough to take any bullet. This is the reason some newbies complain that here is not friendly. Actually there are bullies in this forum amidst the kind ones.
How about if the admin filter some keywords(foul words), such that when you use them, you will be handed ban. Such as 7days ban, few days signature ban, read only mode etc. This will promote peaceful co-existence and curtail to the barest minimum any form of bullying, unfriendliness, acrimony or as the case may be.


Title: Re: censoring foul words.
Post by: Cantsay on September 06, 2023, 01:18:32 PM
According to loyceV “If you can be offended by someone online, it means you’re doing something wrong”.

I actually don’t see any need why the forum should start censoring post just because they included a curse word in it, if you don’t like the way an user responded to your post the best thing you can do is to ignore them and forget something ever happened rather than to start engaging in a heated argument with both of you insulting yourself, after all you don’t know them and they don’t know you, so don’t let anyone’s words get to your head.

Don’t forget that this is a forum and everyone should be able to give his or her own opinion without being censored. And once the content of user get removed because of their choice of words then that would defeat the whole idea of “freedom of speech”.


Title: Re: censoring foul words.
Post by: Plaguedeath on September 06, 2023, 01:20:36 PM
This forum adopt free speech, if you don't like some users that using bad words, then click ignore in their profiles.

I mean I can also call anyone a black monkey and go away with it.
Imagine you ask the administrator to censor "black monkey" words, if I use "black" or "monkey" word in my post (not trolling), the administrator will censor "black" or "monkey" word, this is false positive because it's not sensitive.

However someone can just use number to replace the word to make it visible e.g. bl4ck m0nk3y.


Title: Re: censoring foul words.
Post by: Zoomic on September 06, 2023, 01:31:24 PM
According to loyceV “If you can be offended by someone online, it means you’re doing something wrong”.
Ensure you are not misquoting LoyceV because the above statement seems ambiguous. If I'm offended by someone online, it means I am doing something wrong by being offended by someone or I did something wrong to attract an attack on me?

Don’t forget that this is a forum and everyone should be able to give his or her own opinion without being censored. And once the content of user get removed because of their choice of words then that would defeat the whole idea of “freedom of speech”.
What is your understanding of freedom of speech? Do you know that there is an unofficial rule that says "No trolling?". If freedom of speech is what you think it is, why will such a rule apply?

However someone can just use number to replace the word to make it visible e.g. bl4ck m0nk3y.
This is better, because even the person using numbers to replace words in order to use a foul word is convinced that they are doing something wrong and the receiver will no be wholly offended because the effect of the foul word is tammed by the sanity of the forum.


Title: Re: censoring foul words.
Post by: Rikafip on September 06, 2023, 01:49:03 PM
How about if the admin filter some keywords(foul words), such that when you use them, you will be handed ban. Such as 7days ban, few days signature ban, read only mode etc. This will promote peaceful co-existence and curtail to the barest minimum any form of bullying, unfriendliness, acrimony or as the case may be.
Why the fuck would you want something like that? And if you can't handle that, start using ignore option or even better grow a thicker skin.

I've been active on various forums for more than 20 years and one thing that always bothered me is that on vast majority of them you couldn't tell some idiot to fuck off without getting ban of some sort, or generally say something that doesn't align with moderators view so you can imagine how happy I was when I registered here.


Title: Re: censoring foul words.
Post by: SquirrelJulietGarden on September 06, 2023, 01:56:06 PM
How about if the admin filter some keywords(foul words), such that when you use them, you will be handed ban. Such as 7days ban, few days signature ban, read only mode etc. This will promote peaceful co-existence and curtail to the barest minimum any form of bullying, unfriendliness, acrimony or as the case may be.
There is unofficial rule against trolling.
3. No trolling.
But it does not lead to instant ban on a forum user after a trolling post. You can report trolling posts and help to erase them in the forum but to hope that the user will get a ban which is either temporary or permanent, is not easily reaching target.

Usually ban hammer is very softly used for trolling violations.


Title: Re: censoring foul words.
Post by: Lucius on September 06, 2023, 02:02:35 PM
~snip~
How about if the admin filter some keywords(foul words), such that when you use them, you will be handed ban. Such as 7days ban, few days signature ban, read only mode etc. This will promote peaceful co-existence and curtail to the barest minimum any form of bullying, unfriendliness, acrimony or as the case may be.

That will never happen, no matter that you and some others won't like it, because on this forum not even a scam is moderated, let alone some harsh words. I personally also don't want to read particularly offensive or rather simply vulgar posts, but as other members say, use the ignore button and don't wonder what's in someone's head because they're doing something that's not normal for you.

Before your time, some people called this way of expression poetry (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5138619.0l) - luckily for you, you weren't here because you wouldn't have felt very welcome on the forum ;)


Title: Re: censoring foul words.
Post by: PytagoraZ on September 06, 2023, 02:25:45 PM
I searched some old threads and even recent and found alot of trolls. Sometimes the trolling goes extreme. I have read where a big user of this forum was called a pedophile and he was so much wounded that he threatened to involve authorities.
I mean I can also call anyone a black monkey and go away with it. So many people are hurted by what happens online while a few are strong enough to take any bullet. This is the reason some newbies complain that here is not friendly. Actually there are bullies in this forum amidst the kind ones.
How about if the admin filter some keywords(foul words), such that when you use them, you will be handed ban. Such as 7days ban, few days signature ban, read only mode etc. This will promote peaceful co-existence and curtail to the barest minimum any form of bullying, unfriendliness, acrimony or as the case may be.

I think this forum is still much better than social media like Facebook and Twitter. I've been offended here, but I'm over it and it's for the best. A more humanist forum, you can join Quora. But I'm not sure you're interested to joining there because there's no have signature campaign  ;D


Title: Re: censoring foul words.
Post by: holydarkness on September 06, 2023, 02:37:29 PM
According to loyceV “If you can be offended by someone online, it means you’re doing something wrong”.
Ensure you are not misquoting LoyceV because the above statement seems ambiguous. If I'm offended by someone online, it means I am doing something wrong by being offended by someone or I did something wrong to attract an attack on me?

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The famous and well known reference he use to describe being offended is this post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5213722.msg53482650#msg53482650), but if you never encountered his approach on debate and attack on personal traits on numerous threads, his "[un]official" title on his personal text clearly made this stance on being offended: "Thick Skinned Gang (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5226757.msg53864968#msg53864968) Leader".

To answer your question, if you're [easily] got offended by someone online, it means you're "doing something wrong", as you need to have a thicker skin if you want to have peace of mind on the forum or basically anywhere else on the internet.

In short, be like Bill, not Bob

https://talkimg.com/images/2023/09/06/mza4D.jpeg https://talkimg.com/images/2023/09/06/mzUEG.png


Title: Re: censoring foul words.
Post by: Upgrade00 on September 06, 2023, 02:41:52 PM
How about if the admin filter some keywords(foul words), such that when you use them, you will be handed ban. Such as 7days ban, few days signature ban, read only mode etc.
This is an overkill and a suggestion I don't think will get implemented. Trolling and cyber bullying is not a major problem at this point in time, we are all just familiar strangers talking across our computer screen. But, if someone goes extremely overboard, you can report to the mods and specific action can be taken for such a case.

Even if hypothetically such a feature was implemented, it can easily be bypassed by adding certain characters to replace certain words like * or using v to replace u.

This will promote peaceful co-existence and curtail to the barest minimum any form of bullying, unfriendliness, acrimony or as the case may be.
Do not expect kindness from strangers and you will not get dissapointed.


Title: Re: censoring foul words.
Post by: Wapfika on September 06, 2023, 02:45:30 PM
Forum embodied how being decentralized like Bitcoin is. If we start censoring words that offend someone here then this only means that we are already centralized.

Ignore button and report to moderators are your best tool to fight this since the mods will delete the post if this is just off-topic and made solely just to offend/troll you. This is the difference of Bitcointalk forum to the rest of the forum.


Title: Re: censoring foul words.
Post by: LoyceV on September 06, 2023, 03:19:14 PM
How about if the admin filter some keywords(foul words), such that when you use them, you will be handed ban.
It's always amazing how people volunteer to give up the freedoms they've been given. It's truely scary, not only online but also in real life.
Bitcointalk is the only forum I know that allows freedom of speech. If you don't like it, go to SJW forum.

What the f*ck, do you think censoring *BEEP* is going to make the forum any better? I miss TMAN, go read Poetry, by TMAN (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5138619.0).

If I'm offended by someone online, it means I am doing something wrong by being offended by someone or I did something wrong to attract an attack on me?
If you choose to be offended by something an anonymous person says on the big mean internet, you're doing something wrong. Why would you choose to give someone such power over you?

What is your understanding of freedom of speech? Do you know that there is an unofficial rule that says "No trolling?". If freedom of speech is what you think it is, why will such a rule apply?
Calling an idiot an idiot is not trolling. A bit more context:
However, trolling isn't allowed. If a user is habitually posting obviously false nonsense ("obviously false nonsense" to an outsider, NOT to someone who follows or is involved in the discussion) just to stir up trouble, then it's considered trolling, which is prohibited. Such cases should be thoroughly documented in the report though (There are tons of reports that just say "trolling", but moderators don't have time to look through each user's post).



To quote myself on the subject:
Just recently, I saw several posts saying: "I hope I'm not offending anyone", and it's been on my mind for a while now.

I only recently realized why this is so common in English. In Dutch, "offended" and "insulted" are the same word ("beledigd"). But lately, it seems like people treat the word "offending" as if it's "insulting".
I'd say insulting isn't needed and makes you look bad, but being offended is a choice of the receiver, and honestly I'm offended by people who want to limit their own freedom of speech out of fear that someone might get his feelings hurt on the internet! Oh noes!

It's okay to offended people! Offensive jokes are often funny. Don't let SJW decide what you're allowed to say or even think!

Trying to be nice doesn't hurt you, but don't let someone's made up feelings stop you from speaking your mind.
I can't agree with you. You can also gently criticize a person. To insult is only to insult, nothing more. And it is not right to talk about freedom of expression while insulting a person.
I am insulted by the very fact that you think you can have freedom of speech without being allowed to insult someone. So by your own definition you're not allowed to say that!
Luckily for you, you actually have the right to say pretty much anything you want on this forum. And as a Thick-Skinned Gang Leader (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5226757.0), I can handle anything you throw at me.

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For example, I insulted you and you did it to me. What's the matter here? What did the forum gain from this? When viewed from the outside, the forum is seen as a place where racism, neopotism and swearing are falling.
It's the internet, I couldn't care less about your race. You can claim to be a Smurf if you want too. It can't be checked anyway, so why do you even care?
I think I'm usually pretty friendly, and I usually don't try very hard to insult people. But I can understand why others do that, and I highly value their right to do so. If someone, especially in an anonymous environment, treats others badly, it tells you a lot about them. But how you handle it says a lot about you.

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Don't you really see these kinds of statements make the forum look bad?
No. It's what makes this forum great and unique! If you don't like it, you may want to go to a heavily censored SJW forum where your fragile feelings are protected. Bitcoin is about freedom, and you can't have freedom to say what you want without other people having the same freedom to say what they want. Grow a thicker skin or choose to have a fragile ego hurt.
I'm pretty sure there are already texts that you don't like embedded in the Bitcoin blockchain. It's okay. You don't have to read it. Why would you even bother to read things on a website if it insults you?



How about if the admin filter some keywords(foul words), such that when you use them, you will be handed ban. Such as 7days ban, few days signature ban, read only mode etc. This will promote peaceful co-existence and curtail to the barest minimum any form of bullying, unfriendliness, acrimony or as the case may be.
I'm offended by your suggestion. Now you deserve a 7 day ban :P



You should spend 2.5 minutes to listen to this guy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceS_jkKjIgo): the only proper response to someone who says: "I'm offended!" is: "I don't care!".


Title: Re: censoring foul words.
Post by: Faisal2202 on September 06, 2023, 03:24:15 PM
Usage of foul words can not be stopped by using some type of pattern or word detection tool. Because such filtration or detection tools will only filter words which are inserted in the database as foul ones. Means that if some person a unique way of bashing other and those words are not included in the data base then those words will not be filtered and that person can go away without any punishment.

The best way is already there in usage, which is report to the moderators. This feature is present at the bottom right corner. If you find any post not following the rules or using any type of foul language. Then report that post to the moderators and see the results. Believe me moderators are so active that you will get the response in few hours. I also have reported many posts but till now I have not read any post in which the users have bashed others in abusive language.

Sometimes, some members of this forum know each other as friends and that's why they call each other using foul languages.


Title: Re: censoring foul words.
Post by: rat03gopoh on September 06, 2023, 03:25:48 PM
So many people are hurted by what happens online while a few are strong enough to take any bullet. This is the reason some newbies complain that here is not friendly.
Explosive emotions that arent expressed can also have a bad effect on a person. Sometimes dirty words are also effective to drive away fake newbies, lol.
If your mood is such sensitive, there is a text space below your avatar that you can use to let people know about it.


Title: Re: censoring foul words.
Post by: acroman08 on September 06, 2023, 04:23:02 PM
Not every platform will protect your fragility from other people, One of the things people should learn when they use the internet is to learn how to not be bothered by harsh and offensive words. That being said, while the forum has free speech when it comes to offensive words, saying death threats is a bannable offence (at least, as far as I know)


Title: Re: censoring foul words.
Post by: yhiaali3 on September 06, 2023, 04:37:25 PM
In fact, during the years I spent on the forum, I found only a few of these people. I am not bothered by those who use obscene words as much as I am bothered by those arrogant people who speak in a condescending manner and think that they are smarter than everyone, but I do not pay them any attention.

You can simply ignore all the offensive words you hear without causing any fuss. This is an open online forum that includes people from all nations and cultures, and things or words that you consider offensive may be considered normal or even fun by others. You cannot judge all people.


Title: Re: censoring foul words.
Post by: LoyceV on September 06, 2023, 04:50:24 PM
Look what I found: Advanced Profanity Filter (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/advanced_profanity_filter/), available for different browsers. Of course, use at your own risk: this add-on will get access to everything you have in your browser, but hey, if that helps protect your feelings, good for you :P

I'd like to see the opposite: turn all the "carefully selected words" back into their true meaning. It should be called "The TMAN Filter" :D


Title: Re: censoring foul words.
Post by: jcojci on September 06, 2023, 04:53:17 PM
A forum is a forum. There's no need to filter it unless it's gone too far. Instead, we must filter by ourselves and not think too deeply because this is freedom of speech.

After all, it's an old topic that probably no one else is interested in anymore. Maybe you can do it on social media like Facebook and others by reporting to the admin. But for a forum, it's not necessary.

It's better you close the thread so it doesn't become spam.


Title: Re: censoring foul words.
Post by: DVlog on September 06, 2023, 05:39:58 PM
According to loyceV “If you can be offended by someone online, it means you’re doing something wrong”.

I actually don’t see any need why the forum should start censoring post just because they included a curse word in it, if you don’t like the way an user responded to your post the best thing you can do is to ignore them and forget something ever happened rather than to start engaging in a heated argument with both of you insulting yourself, after all you don’t know them and they don’t know you, so don’t let anyone’s words get to your head.

Don’t forget that this is a forum and everyone should be able to give his or her own opinion without being censored. And once the content of user get removed because of their choice of words then that would defeat the whole idea of “freedom of speech”.

Some people practice such rush behavior that they easily get offended and attack others with bad words. I do not think there is anything we can do about it. Sometimes a word serves different meanings depending on which region of the globe that word is being used. One community slung can be one community's general expression. If the moderator starts censoring every foul word they they won't get the time to do other important work.


Title: Re: censoring foul words.
Post by: CryptopreneurBrainboss on September 06, 2023, 06:02:26 PM
Such as 7days ban, few days signature ban, read only mode etc. This will promote peaceful co-existence and curtail to the barest minimum any form of bullying, unfriendliness, acrimony or as the case may be.

So I should get banned because I hurt your feelings or someone else feeling or I should give up my privilege of receiving some reward (from signature campaign) because I'm not been a nice guy to you on the internet. What type of world are you trying to live in, don't you know for the world to be balance both the nice and bad guys need to live together and that's how it should be for the forum. The forum isn't even toxic enough because everyone is trying to be in their best behavior, so the newbie will be welcomed. Apart form their who are just trolling and not making any sense I don't see any offensive behavior been exhibited on the forum.

If anyone isn't happy for the way they're been treated for just mere harsh words then he should logout of the forum. Nobody cares about your feelings here, this is a global community filled with different ways of life and we have people from all over the world so your beliefs aren't that superior. If you received abusive words and the contents of those replies aren't suitable for the forum, make use of the report button and let the moderators make the decision as that's why they're there (to keep the forum clean off spam).


Title: Re: censoring foul words.
Post by: SamReomo on September 06, 2023, 06:52:12 PM
There are so many trolls on internet and if you don't want to face those trolls then kindly stop using internet or ignore those trolls without thinking about anything else. As far as I know about this forum then you are wrong because most of the members of this forum are decent and they doesn't troll with others while we can't ignore the fact that there can be some members who may use some harsh words but still I would say that you should ignore such people in your mind or ignore them on his forum. But, my friend I don't think that ignoring a user will completely remove it from your memories so it's better to ignore the words of that user and continue to use the forum the way it is.


How about if the admin filter some keywords(foul words), such that when you use them, you will be handed ban. Such as 7days ban, few days signature ban, read only mode etc. This will promote peaceful co-existence and curtail to the barest minimum any form of bullying, unfriendliness, acrimony or as the case may be.

I don't think that it's needed or fair to ban a user if he/she clashes with another user on some matter. The forum allows freedom of speech and anyone can say anything without any restrictions. We can't stop anyone from using the words that they use in their daily life and in the same way we can't stop anyone from using those words on this forum. If you think you don't like the words of other users then kindly click on the "Ignore" button that placed somewhere left-bottom of that user and you won't see the posts of that user anymore. The admins can't filter all foul words and banning a user for using of a wrong word is totally against the freedom of speech.


Title: Re: censoring foul words.
Post by: ZAINmalik75 on September 06, 2023, 07:03:15 PM
I actually don’t see any need why the forum should start censoring post just because they included a curse word in it, if you don’t like the way an user responded to your post the best thing you can do is to ignore them and forget something ever happened rather than to start engaging in a heated argument with both of you insulting yourself, after all you don’t know them and they don’t know you, so don’t let anyone’s words get to your head.

Don’t forget that this is a forum and everyone should be able to give his or her own opinion without being censored. And once the content of user get removed because of their choice of words then that would defeat the whole idea of “freedom of speech”.
No one actually has freedom of speech because at some point you have to follow the rules of the platform that you are using to convey your message. For example, if you make some advertising, a CTA message, or a post in a Bitcoin discussion, that topic will be moved to service discussions, which means you have no control. Another example is if you make a post with some faulty or wrong information and try to lead people the wrong way, you will be tagged as neutral or maybe removed if you are found guilty of plagiarism. We all know that by following the simple rules, we can live forever here until we die, but if we don't follow the rules, we can't survive here.

Now, if we talk about abusive language, then use of foul language is not encouraged here; instead, it is banned here, and the best way to report such pist is to report it to moderators, as, in my opinion, censor filtration tool integration is not going to help. As many members tried to emphasise, do not use filtration as it will only cover more space on the domain or hosting while we have moderators who are getting paid and have the full authority to remove someone's post if they are not following the rules.

They will not alter the post, which means they will not edit it, but they could delete it.


Title: Re: censoring foul words.
Post by: yahoo62278 on September 06, 2023, 08:14:48 PM
If I want to reply to someone's post and call them a fucking idiot, that is my right. You have the right to ignore me or scroll past my reply. Let's not be part of the cancel culture here. It's not that complicated and we don't need snowflakes trying to change something that doesn't need changed.


Title: Re: censoring foul words.
Post by: Rruchi man on September 06, 2023, 08:32:54 PM
Actually there are bullies in this forum amidst the kind ones.
How about if the admin filter some keywords(foul words), such that when you use them, you will be handed ban. Such as 7days ban, few days signature ban, read only mode etc.
Understand that that is how some people talk normally, they may not even see it as offensive, but you on the other hand will be taking what they have said seriously and very personally like they knew you from somewhere before and have a reason to not like you or want to bully you. Most of the time the problem is not what is, the problem is how you see the problem. Some words that you may consider to be foul and offensive, may be words that some other people based on environment where they grew up or family may not see as offensive because they use those words. Grow up and don't let your esteem be shaped by other people's opinion of you.


Title: Re: censoring foul words.
Post by: SatoPrincess on September 06, 2023, 08:36:30 PM
I searched some old threads and even recent and found alot of trolls. Sometimes the trolling goes extreme. I have read where a big user of this forum was called a pedophile and he was so much wounded that he threatened to involve authorities.
I mean I can also call anyone a black monkey and go away with it. So many people are hurted by what happens online while a few are strong enough to take any bullet. This is the reason some newbies complain that here is not friendly. Actually there are bullies in this forum amidst the kind ones.
How about if the admin filter some keywords(foul words), such that when you use them, you will be handed ban. Such as 7days ban, few days signature ban, read only mode etc. This will promote peaceful co-existence and curtail to the barest minimum any form of bullying, unfriendliness, acrimony or as the case may be.
The forum has already done something about this. It’s called the ignore button. You can simply add anyone who you feel offended by to your ignore list and you will never see their posts again. As for me, I would not be offended if anyone called me names here, SatoPrincess is only an online persona, the real person behind the account is anonymous and cannot be hurt by silly words. There is so much to do and learn here, I really cannot be bothered to respond to trolls or unprovoked attacks, You’re somewhat new here, like others have advised it’s better for you to grow thicker skin. If you are that pissed, you can give a neutral tag to the user with reference to the post but suggesting ban for using foul language in a forum where scam isn’t moderated is a very stupid idea!!!


Title: Re: censoring foul words.
Post by: Asiska02 on September 06, 2023, 11:53:32 PM
How about if the admin filter some keywords(foul words), such that when you use them, you will be handed ban. Such as 7days ban, few days signature ban, read only mode etc. This will promote peaceful co-existence and curtail to the barest minimum any form of bullying, unfriendliness, acrimony or as the case may be.

By visiting the site and registering under this public forum, you have already agreed to and will be bound by the rules here. The rules have already been established, and how you feel about people's responses will not cause the rules to alter. How you speak in the forum cannot be monitored; if it could, it would be counterproductive since people would not learn faster by exploring different points of view of people in the forum. It is not always about the unpleasant remarks, but about the harsh responses too, which I believe are acceptable and can be learned from. If you can’t still tolerate it from the person, just ignore the user.


Title: Re: censoring foul words.
Post by: Learn Bitcoin on September 07, 2023, 01:30:41 AM
According to loyceV "If you can be offended by someone online, it means you're doing something wrong" .

I'm afraid I have to disagree!
People might have a different point of view or argument on a matter. You will find another group of people who do not respect your opinion and then start insulting you. The problem is, when you get bullied because of your opinion, you want to say something back, and it ends with exchanging some hit words, and then sometimes it goes to the extreme level when one person calls another a pedophile. For this reason, I believe you can get offended without even doing anything wrong.


Title: Re: censoring foul words.
Post by: cafter on September 07, 2023, 05:58:16 AM
Anyone will criticize a user harshly if the user is mistaken, this could be because the user lacks knowledge of that specific topic or has an incorrect understanding of it.
If I were in their position, I would not immediately become angry with them but instead i would first check to see whether i was mistaken or not. After discovering such misunderstanding, I adjust my learning.

Simply click "ignore" button if you find that user anonyunh and report the post or reply if they are using foul language without cause.


Title: Re: censoring foul words.
Post by: lovesmayfamilis on September 07, 2023, 07:07:31 AM
A person cannot be offended as long as he does not allow it to be done. OP, you can be different by talking to people politely and without swear words. But this does not mean that you can remake a person who very often has a mat in his speech and uses only prepositions. Accept the world and the forum as they are, with people who do not know how to restrain their anger, with people who do not know the culture of speech, and try to understand them.
Do you know that if you deny something, then there is a piece of the denied in you? So, first, change yourself, and then you will see a lot of good in people, even among those who seem rude to you today.

Now, if we talk about abusive language, then use of foul language is not encouraged here; instead, it is banned here, and the best way to report such pist is to report it to moderators, as, in my opinion, censor filtration tool integration is not going to help.

Try to complain about TMAN posts. I speak of him as the most sincere user and virtuoso in expressing his opinion. Many will not even be able to do something similar.
Therefore, if the post contains information on the topic, the moderators will turn a blind eye to how the author talks about it.


Title: Re: censoring foul words.
Post by: LoyceV on September 07, 2023, 07:46:14 AM
According to loyceV "If you can be offended by someone online, it means you're doing something wrong" .
I'm afraid I have to disagree!
People might have a different point of view or argument on a matter. You will find another group of people who do not respect your opinion and then start insulting you. The problem is, when you get bullied because of your opinion, you want to say something back, and it ends with exchanging some hit words, and then sometimes it goes to the extreme level when one person calls another a pedophile. For this reason, I believe you can get offended without even doing anything wrong.
You're missing the point: if you choose to give someone the power to hurt you through your screen, you're doing something wrong. If someone calls me a pedophile, he's an idiot. It's that simple.


Title: Re: censoring foul words.
Post by: NotATether on September 07, 2023, 10:52:39 AM
I'd like to see the opposite: turn all the "carefully selected words" back into their true meaning. It should be called "The TMAN Filter" :D

Oh boy... whoever makes this will make a lot of revenue if they sell it by subscription.


Title: Re: censoring foul words.
Post by: Learn Bitcoin on September 07, 2023, 11:46:53 AM
According to loyceV "If you can be offended by someone online, it means you're doing something wrong" .
I'm afraid I have to disagree!
People might have a different point of view or argument on a matter. You will find another group of people who do not respect your opinion and then start insulting you. The problem is, when you get bullied because of your opinion, you want to say something back, and it ends with exchanging some hit words, and then sometimes it goes to the extreme level when one person calls another a pedophile. For this reason, I believe you can get offended without even doing anything wrong.
You're missing the point: if you choose to give someone the power to hurt you through your screen, you're doing something wrong. If someone calls me a pedophile, he's an idiot. It's that simple.

Now, it's a debatable thing. I choose to give power to someone I like and am close to—for example, my friends and family. It's the internet; we barely make good friends on the internet, especially on anonymous forums. Even if someone looks like he is my friend, I don't know what he has in his mind. Let's say I know some forum members' usernames only, and I exchanged some DM and slowly built a good relationship even though we don't even know our real names. I don't think any of them are going to hurt me. Even if they do, that will be a scam.

I agree with the bold part. It's easy to get hurt on the internet forum where we don't know each other. If people choose to be jerks because no one knows their real name, they are an idiot. I feel like I was not able to explain well because of the language barrier.


Title: Re: censoring foul words.
Post by: LoyceMobile on September 07, 2023, 11:59:59 AM
It's easy to get hurt on the internet forum where we don't know each other.
Only if you let them! I still think you're missing the point: nobody can hurt you online as long as you don't give them that power.
The internet is much nicer when you can't be hurt by words.


Title: Re: censoring foul words.
Post by: holydarkness on September 07, 2023, 12:06:54 PM
I actually don’t see any need why the forum should start censoring post just because they included a curse word in it, if you don’t like the way an user responded to your post the best thing you can do is to ignore them and forget something ever happened rather than to start engaging in a heated argument with both of you insulting yourself, after all you don’t know them and they don’t know you, so don’t let anyone’s words get to your head.

Don’t forget that this is a forum and everyone should be able to give his or her own opinion without being censored. And once the content of user get removed because of their choice of words then that would defeat the whole idea of “freedom of speech”.
No one actually has freedom of speech because at some point you have to follow the rules of the platform that you are using to convey your message. For example, if you make some advertising, a CTA message, or a post in a Bitcoin discussion, that topic will be moved to service discussions, which means you have no control. Another example is if you make a post with some faulty or wrong information and try to lead people the wrong way, you will be tagged as neutral or maybe removed if you are found guilty of plagiarism. We all know that by following the simple rules, we can live forever here until we die, but if we don't follow the rules, we can't survive here.

[...]

I think you're mistakenly took the meaning of freedom of speech.

Freedom of speech does not mean you're also entitled to freedom of consequences and neglecting the concept of a system. And the things you mentioned above are consequences of one's action. If they post something that's out of context, they're still allowed to, they're free to do it, but their post will get moved. Likewise, if they post something faulty, their credibility will be questioned, if they post a plagiarized content or other things that's against the rules of the forum, they'll be questioned and if found guilty, tagged. Again, consequences.

A freedom of speech neglecting a system or a rule [where a post should be posted, or what [oot] comment on what board, or what kind of post are not allowed] is an anarchy.


Title: Re: censoring foul words.
Post by: philipma1957 on September 07, 2023, 12:39:19 PM
I searched some old threads and even recent and found alot of trolls. Sometimes the trolling goes extreme. I have read where a big user of this forum was called a pedophile and he was so much wounded that he threatened to involve authorities.
I mean I can also call anyone a black monkey and go away with it. So many people are hurted by what happens online while a few are strong enough to take any bullet. This is the reason some newbies complain that here is not friendly. Actually there are bullies in this forum amidst the kind ones.
How about if the admin filter some keywords(foul words), such that when you use them, you will be handed ban. Such as 7days ban, few days signature ban, read only mode etc. This will promote peaceful co-existence and curtail to the barest minimum any form of bullying, unfriendliness, acrimony or as the case may be.

You would want me to banned if I told you “can your dick reach your ass?, then go fuck your self”

Basically go fuck yourself.



  Now death threats they deserve a ban.
 Doxing a person and suggesting they need to be punished  that should mean ban.
Calling a person a pediphile with zero proof may deserve a banning.

I have been told fuck you more than once in my life no big deal.

In real life I have had a mob guy tell me he would hurt my kid brother that was a big deal.

But letting a guy or girl tell a person to fuck off is not a big deal in my book.

In fact I will now fuck off.


Title: Re: censoring foul words.
Post by: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on September 07, 2023, 06:21:56 PM
Well, if moderators begin to filter the kind of words that are used on this forum, then the forum might be kind of boring in the sense that members would now begin to mind the kind of words they use here, which is going to be kind of boring. This is the internet, where anyone can say anything they wish to say and exercise their freedom of speech, and there's no penalty for that as long as what you said is not an open threat to harm or kill the person, and that's also the reason why privacy is very important. On the forum, you are allowed to say what you want; if you don't like what the next person says against you, you can just turn a blind eye and move on. If someone calls you mad, that doesn't mean you are mad; if you think it's an insult to you and you can't bear it, you can either ignore the person or, from what I have learned from other reputable members, develop a thick skin to surf through any insult, criticism, or abusive words. In fact, the forum is cool the way it is; sometimes we learn when we are criticized or insulted for some sh*tt we do.


Title: Re: censoring foul words.
Post by: BITCOIN4X on September 07, 2023, 09:40:59 PM
Nothing needs to be changed in my opinion. Insults, insults or dirty words are common when someone is possessed by anger, but if you don't like it then you can just ignore it. The forum is only really concerned with threats of bodily harm or death threats, so if you get one then report it.

This is a unique discussion forum, there is freedom of speech but you can ignore anyone you don't like. You can take advantage of this feature if someone insults you and insults you, but it's a good idea to thicken your skin.


Title: Re: censoring foul words.
Post by: decodx on September 07, 2023, 10:03:23 PM
People come from all kinds of backgrounds and cultures, right? Well, profanity can be pretty different depending on where you are. Some cultures are cool with it, others not so much. What's offensive in one place might not even raise an eyebrow somewhere else.

People should have the freedom to express themselves however they want! I mean, using swear words can be a way of showing your attitude, right? So, we shouldn't clamp down on that.


Title: Re: censoring foul words.
Post by: _BlackStar on September 07, 2023, 10:13:26 PM
Someone can always express their opinion in different ways - including using dirty words. The question is; Have you had it so far?
If you are talking about trolls - then ignore them and don't even try to feed them. I don't think the forum will be responsible for the insults you get - but you can report the post for review although I don't know how the moderators handle it.

Did you know - someone who is insulted multiple times will probably be more successful than the user who insulted them. So just ignore it and live your life on the forum without caring about your feelings as much as possible.


Title: Re: censoring foul words.
Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on September 07, 2023, 10:15:54 PM
I have read where a big user of this forum was called a pedophile and he was so much wounded that he threatened to involve authorities.
I know the protracted drama you're referring to, and there was a lot more to it than just that accusation, and in fact if it was only that the pedophile accusation got slung I don't think the target member would have reacted the same way.

I mean I can also call anyone a black monkey and go away with it.
Oh, that's one of the joys of the forum and my heart doth flutter when I think of Theymos's extreme tolerance of language.  All of this racial stuff brings me back to 2016 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=911416), when the world was only slightly less obsessed with victimhood trophies and identity politics.  Fun times they were.


Title: Re: censoring foul words.
Post by: Zoomic on September 08, 2023, 09:09:10 AM
I'm offended by your suggestion. Now you deserve a 7 day ban :P
LOL... I think I am offended by the way you posted on my thread. You deserve a signature ban.



You should spend 2.5 minutes to listen to this guy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceS_jkKjIgo): the only proper response to someone who says: "I'm offended!" is: "I don't care!".
I listened, although it is comic but it taught alot of lessons and it's about reality.

You would want me to banned if I told you “can your dick reach your ass?, then go fuck your self”

Basically go fuck yourself.
I now understand that using these words is so nice and natural to many ;D Look how you arranged these words in a very f*cked way. I now see why many people don't want to be censored. People catch fun doing this, and I only pity the weak ones behind the screen.

I  know the protracted drama you're referring to, and there was a lot more to it than just that accusation, and in fact if it was only that the pedophile accusation got slung I don't think the target member would have reacted the same way.
Obviously there was a lot more to it. I followed up the thread until I was lost in words, feelings and some touches of betrayal, threats and lots more. One has to bow and exit the forum.


Title: Re: censoring foul words.
Post by: LoyceV on September 08, 2023, 09:15:26 AM
I think I am offended by the way you posted on my thread.
I don't care! :P

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You should spend 2.5 minutes to listen to this guy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceS_jkKjIgo): the only proper response to someone who says: "I'm offended!" is: "I don't care!".
I listed, although it is comic but it taught alot of lessons and it's aboit reality.
It's kinda sad though when common sense turns into comedy.



Here's another 9 minutes worth of your time: Rowan Atkinson on free speech (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUezfuy8Qpc).
Quote from: Rowan Atkinson
For me, the best way to increase society's resistance to insulting or offensive speech is to allow a lot more of it. As with childhood diseases, you can better resist those germs to which you have been exposed. We need to build our immunity to taking offence, so that we can deal with the issues that perfectly justified criticism can raise. Our priority should be to deal with the message, not the messenger.


Title: Re: censoring foul words.
Post by: SamReomo on September 08, 2023, 09:19:59 AM
You would want me to banned if I told you “can your dick reach your ass?, then go fuck your self”

Basically go fuck yourself.
I now understand that using these words is so nice and natural to many ;D Look how you arranged these words in a very f*cked way. I now see why many people don't want to be censored. People catch fun doing this, and I only pity the weak ones behind the screen.

You should not pity for anyone because no one has taken bath with milk water. Everyone to some extent use those words and if someone says that he/she has never used such words in his/her life then that person is the worst pathological liar. I don't think that censoring those words will make any sense as they aren't spoken all the time and are spoken rarely when someone really wants to hear those. In this case you wanted to hear that how they sound and you heard it the right way. That's called freedom of speech and you have seen the example yourself so I don't really need to say anything else about it. Just chill, and allow the forum to be the way it is because putting your hand on fire won't stop the fire but will burn your own hand.


Title: Re: censoring foul words.
Post by: jokers10 on September 08, 2023, 09:49:28 AM
One has to bow and exit the forum.

It's impossible to make a club for each and every, every club has its rules and you accept them and stay or decline them and leave. Of course you can try to change rules, but it will limit someone else's opportunities anyway.

When you say that I can't name the Celebes crested macaque as a black monkey I'm not sure why. If there are some people who want to hurt you with words and you are offended with some which could be prohibited, they'll use some other. Who wants to offend will offend, who wants to be offended will be offended. It is so easy to find something new just to offend someone. You know that usually some euthemisms become offencive in a time because intentions to offend can be masquerated under any words.

To be offended is a choice. To ignore offenders on some anonymous forum in Internet is also a choice. Instead of leaving the forum you can just ignore a user you don't like.


Title: Re: censoring foul words.
Post by: Zoomic on September 08, 2023, 10:33:02 AM
Here's another 9 minutes worth of your time: Rowan Atkinson on free speech (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUezfuy8Qpc).
Quote from: Rowan Atkinson
For me, the best way to increase society's resistance to insulting or offensive speech is to allow a lot more of it. As with childhood diseases, you can better resist those germs to which you have been exposed. We need to build our immunity to taking offence, so that we can deal with the issues that perfectly justified criticism can raise. Our priority should be to deal with the message, not the messenger.
It is actually 9 mins worth of my time. Thanks for sharing. I never knew that the famous Mr bean who acts without speaking can be so fluent in speaking. He made so much sense and I quote him
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Freedom of speech can only be in danger if the consequences of the speech is abolished
. He classified freedom of speech as the second most important thing to man after food to mouth. If free speech is as important as he described, it needs not be toyed with.


Title: Re: censoring foul words.
Post by: LoyceMobile on September 08, 2023, 10:43:19 AM
If free speech is as important as he described, it needs not be toyed with.
Theymos understood that years before I did.

I'm such a strong advocate of free speech because once it's gone, it won't come back. People who are used to it don't realize how important it is, and often advocate for other people to get less freedom. The thing is: you can't have freedoms without someone else having it too.


Title: Re: censoring foul words.
Post by: khiholangkang on September 08, 2023, 02:05:52 PM
Again an offense issue, I've also seen a thread that has an articulation on this before, but I can't remember where it was. LOL

It's funny to feel offended in this free and anonymous forum, it's simply that if someone loses an argument then he or she will slander someone else or give a bad statement to attack.

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When you lose in a debate, finah becomes a tool for the loser.
Socrates

Even if I feel offended by something someone else said here, the "ignore" feature will be very useful.


Title: Re: censoring foul words.
Post by: SatoPrincess on September 08, 2023, 06:34:21 PM

I now understand that using these words is so nice and natural to many ;D Look how you arranged these words in a very f*cked way. I now see why many people don't want to be censored. People catch fun doing this, and I only pity the weak ones behind the screen.

Lol there are not nice words and there nothing nice about using them but we do because they just the way we like it. No need to pity anyone here, I believe everyone here is old enough to use the internet and if they can handle themselves in the real world, they can definitely take a few harsh words from a bunch of strangers on the internet.
It’s deeper than you think, censorship is control and we don’t want that there, sure it starts with a little censorship before we know we will know if we may have a full blown censored forum. There are already accusations of DT misusing their power, and tagging others for revenge or personal vandeta. 


Title: Re: censoring foul words.
Post by: EFS on September 08, 2023, 09:05:36 PM
This has been one of the most frequently asked questions on my local forum over the years. Free speech is not something people are used to in my country. They have always been accustomed to censorship by an authority, or they have practiced self-censorship on other platforms. It's very difficult for people to get used to the environment here.
Which words are foul and the limits of trolling are completely subjective. I don't think it would be beneficial to limit them as forum management. This forum has helped me a lot in terms of protecting free speech. If I don't swear, it's not because I can't, it's because I don't want to. But it's nice to know that I have the freedom to swear. It would be sad to see this place turn into Facebook, which starts censoring everything.


Title: Re: censoring foul words.
Post by: Fiatless on September 08, 2023, 09:43:38 PM
If I want to reply to someone's post and call them a fucking idiot, that is my right. You have the right to ignore me or scroll past my reply. Let's not be part of the cancel culture here. It's not that complicated and we don't need snowflakes trying to change something that doesn't need changed.
One of the good qualities of this community is freedom of speech. People are allowed to say their views without any form of intimidation. Firstly, since we are from different locations and cultures, what you think is an insult might not be the case in another country. I have read that insults are not against the forum rules, members are allowed to speak freely. Insults or foul language are not promoted in the forum but one needs to learn how to ignore and endure the insults. Controlling the language on the forum will affect the freedom of speech which might discourage people from engaging in discussions. I have identified some members that I wouldn't engage in any discussion with them because I don't like their approach. Maybe some other members might have put me on ignore because my expression might have offended them. The beauty of freedom of speech is that everybody has a level playing ground that is void of censorship.


Title: Re: censoring foul words.
Post by: philipma1957 on September 09, 2023, 11:24:56 PM
If I want to reply to someone's post and call them a fucking idiot, that is my right. You have the right to ignore me or scroll past my reply. Let's not be part of the cancel culture here. It's not that complicated and we don't need snowflakes trying to change something that doesn't need changed.
One of the good qualities of this community is freedom of speech. People are allowed to say their views without any form of intimidation. Firstly, since we are from different locations and cultures, what you think is an insult might not be the case in another country. I have read that insults are not against the forum rules, members are allowed to speak freely. Insults or foul language are not promoted in the forum but one needs to learn how to ignore and endure the insults. Controlling the language on the forum will affect the freedom of speech which might discourage people from engaging in discussions. I have identified some members that I wouldn't engage in any discussion with them because I don't like their approach. Maybe some other members might have put me on ignore because my expression might have offended them. The beauty of freedom of speech is that everybody has a level playing ground that is void of censorship.

Free speech 🎤 allows more conversations which allows more posts which allows more signature income.

A lot of places on the internet allow you to make some money.

youtube
allows you to earnest based on views but restricts what you can say.

So you need to act in such a way that people will view what you are posting.

As far as I know this forum is the only place that allows you to sign a signature and pay you.

So by allowing free speech it encourages more posts.

If this was a typical forum and I wrote:

fuck fuck fuck fuck

I would be censored and the post deleted.

But if we agree the fuck word means ban what is next?

Does this sentence ,

Doge is better than Btc. = a ban

now for me. I earned more profit on doge than btc. Will that statement of fact for me get me banned?

At op don’t go fuck yourself. I wrote my older post to be tongue in cheek with a bit of humor.

I actually have decide to do a complete 180 on my dislike of signatures and of mixer’s in particular because you wrote this thread up.

I will use the funds to support talk img for the next few months.
Which will help the entire website all because you wrote this thread up.


Title: Re: censoring foul words.
Post by: Zoomic on September 11, 2023, 09:56:48 PM
I actually have decide to do a complete 180 on my dislike of signatures and of mixer’s in particular because you wrote this thread up.

Will it be correct to say that my post made you start wearing signature? If yes, that's an honour to me and I will put it in my text space. Waiting for your confirmation  8)


Title: Re: censoring foul words.
Post by: philipma1957 on September 12, 2023, 01:34:18 AM
I actually have decide to do a complete 180 on my dislike of signatures and of mixer’s in particular because you wrote this thread up.

Will it be correct to say that my post made you start wearing signature? If yes, that's an honour to me and I will put it in my text space. Waiting for your confirmation  8)

Yes . I was supporting talk-img out of pocket because I believe the forum needs a good image service.

I vacillated back and forth about signatures but frankly bitcointalk is unique in its signature campaigns which give anyone with decent content a chance to earn.

Your thread pushed me into the fuck it I will do a new signature and raise funds for talk img.

btw I sent  you merits.


Title: Re: censoring foul words.
Post by: Zoomic on September 12, 2023, 10:42:53 AM
Yes . I was supporting talk-img out of pocket because I believe the forum needs a good image service.
After imgur failed the forum, I saw the need for a good image hosting service and talk-img has filled the gap excellently.

Your thread pushed me into the fuck it I will do a new signature and raise funds for talk img.
;D This is great. You are such a philanthropist. But the fucking decision you made will be a relief to the burden of philantropism and still set you aside as a distinguished member of this forum.

btw I sent  you merits.
Yes, I recieved with joy and it has aided my journey to snr member. I appreciate you.


Title: Re: censoring foul words.
Post by: philipma1957 on September 12, 2023, 03:44:10 PM
Yes . I was supporting talk-img out of pocket because I believe the forum needs a good image service.
After imgur failed the forum, I saw the need for a good image hosting service and talk-img has filled the gap excellently.

Your thread pushed me into the fuck it I will do a new signature and raise funds for talk img.
;D This is great. You are such a philanthropist. But the fucking decision you made will be a relief to the burden of philantropism and still set you aside as a distinguished member of this forum.

btw I sent  you merits.
Yes, I recieved with joy and it has aided my journey to snr member. I appreciate you.

and now you can see why saying fuck this or that is not so terrible.

My problem  of being a bit loose with f-bombs was or is:

13 years of school in Brooklyn New York City and 5 years in the USA Navy.

The curse words simply became another word to me not much different than any other.

But if you are raised in other places in the world curses are more hurtful and far less used.

I will also attempt to effort a bit cleaner language and maybe stretch my wordsmith technique just a bit more varied. Thanks for a good thread.


Title: Re: censoring foul words.
Post by: aysg76 on September 13, 2023, 03:18:13 AM
I don't know how's it gonna work because you can have censorship on some foul words even if you think that way but you can't say which word any other person will think of as bad because coming from a different backgrounds and it doesn't work for me as well.As already pointed out you have ignore option and there's no limit on how many users you want not to see so why have such childish behavior like putting censor to some words?This is a open forum and you have your choices sorted but getting offended is normal or disagreement on some points but don't go that way I would say.


Title: Re: censoring foul words.
Post by: arhipova on September 13, 2023, 06:56:58 AM
It would be sad to see this place turn into Facebook, which starts censoring everything.

Isn't their legal binding for Facebook to do this ? Because, if they do not censor foul words, images or videos and it is done on large scale, governments in some countries may take action against them. They are too large to ignore this. We cannot compare this forum to Facebook in this regard.


Title: Re: censoring foul words.
Post by: Sandra_hakeem on September 15, 2023, 07:15:05 PM
I searched some old threads and even recent and found alot of trolls. Sometimes the trolling goes extreme. I have read where a big user of this forum was called a pedophile.[..]
Do you have any problem with that??!
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How about if the admin filter some keywords(foul words), such that when you use them, you will be handed ban. Such as 7days ban, few days signature ban, read only mode etc. This will promote peaceful co-existence and curtail to the barest minimum any form of bullying, unfriendliness, acrimony or as the case may be.
This would only get your fat ass whopped badly - you ain't gonna Know when you put your feet in your own trap; the pains are often, so fucking excruciating right?? Uhmm, did I just swear??? I think I'mma get banned for it :P
Look, you're not even helping issues..yeah? Cus if this is enacted, the forum ain't gonna be free by the least, possible means... Cus you ain't gonna be outta the dungeon for days just for the fact that you overemphasized this futile point - that could as well be termed as "trolling"
Secondly - matter of fact, I've seen similar topics to yours already so isn't this a spam?? You better watch your back fat boy... Things aren't exactly as the way You seem to see 'em.
Ps: you gotta be thick skinned... Peeps in here ain't gonna be Afraid of you - anyone would rather say shit to your face,..unless you can sue them in real life, then there's nothing you can do about it.....

Sandra 🧑‍🦰