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I am a newbie in bitcoin I want to learn a lot about bitcoin I want to do marketing and trading with bitcoin if any of you are expert or if someone is more skilled please give me some suggestion so that I can do something good and my future is good.  can shine through bitcoin and i can stay away from casino and gambling games and without these two means i can earn money in my life and i can work hard to earn bitcoin everyone.

If you are asking users here to teach you how to trade, then you shouldn't trade and trading may not be for you right now. Like you said; you're a newbie in BTC, and trading isn't for newbies, it is very complicated and you can lose all your money very fast. Now what do you mean by "i want to do marketing with BTC", i don't know what that means but what you need now is to learn about BTC as a cesnsorship resistant and permissonless currency, and not as an investment, at least for now.

Trading requires many methods which are too difficult to understand for beginners who do not have basic knowledge of trading. Learning about bitcoin in general can be helped by searching on the internet browser you use.
The most basic thing you need to learn, according to those of you who are still beginners about bitcoin, is how bitcoin works, how to get bitcoin and how to store bitcoin.

Later you will find that bitcoin is not a tool to make someone rich faster.
Don't force yourself too much to dive into marketing or trading or other fields before you have knowledge about it. The risk is big.

Welcome to the bitcointalk forum.

You better learn the basics first before entering some business that involves bitcoin. I mean that's self explanatory in the first place. You can't understand the underlying risk if you aren't familiar as to how bitcoin works let alone bitcoin trading.

- https://sovereignuniversity.org/

You are coming from casinos and gambling games? What have you learned so far from that? If you are getting good results I am pretty sure you won't be here today.

There are some important things you should know about Bitcoin, it's different from casinos and gambling, there is no fast way to make money with Bitcoin, everything about Bitcoin takes time and your courage to keep learning nonstop.

Now ask yourself, what do you want? Passive income? If yes Bitcoin is not for you, because the best advice I can give a newbie is to take things very slow, Bitcoin is good for long term holing, so if you have nothing else you are doing that's fetching you money, do not look at Bitcoin as the solution.

Bitcoin investment is long term, so get a job that pays you monthly if you don't have one first.

There is another way to get money with Bitcoin, maybe weekly, depending on when the signal comes, that's Bitcoin trading, and it's not easy to be a good trader, sometimes you will lose money and sometimes you will earn, but way better than gambling because trading is all about how good you are with market movement and analysis.

Do not rush, and believe me, there is no short cut, everything takes time and practice, and stay away from anyone who says there is a shortcut to making money with Bitcoin, it's either they are trying to scam you or use you one way or the other.

This is a bad place to learn about trading because of the diversity in good and bad advices and opinions, and even if you can sift through them, it's tedious and you're better off exploring on your own then when you make the mistakes then you can come back here so you can have specificity on your solution compared to just taking in all the information. If you really want to learn trading to gain experience, you should consider practicing trading.

I see that you are very enthusiastic about profiting from Bitcoin, and unfortunately, most of the enthusiasts that I encountered ended up stopping within 3 months or losing their money. Bitcoin is not a way to double your money or become rich, but learn the basics, what is Bitcoin, how you can create a wallet and secure your seeds, then start with DCA with money that you do not need at the present time, and as more passes, you will learn more about trading and how to multiply your money from trading.

The forum answers all your questions, and you can learn more by reading the book Mastering Bitcoin^[1] or watching videos ---> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJWCJCWOxBYSi5DhCieLOLQ

[1] https://github.com/bitcoinbook/bitcoinbook

Hmm, HAHA OP is more excited to make money as as you've said Bitcoin si not the money doubler, It can be an investment opportunity with some good decision-making and picking up a decent strategy for accumulation. Also sir thanks for some decent references as I can bookmark it to recommend others.. :D

If the OP is here to try out the luck better to try luck in the market with trading.. Make or lose money 5X faster  ;D ;D. OR better to go with the shitcoins. (Not recommended at all haha its just for the money doublers)

To be honest, it's not all that simple to make money with Bitcoin. Before one can start earning properly, they need to have the right knowledge of the cryptocurrency market and bitcoin, and even with good trading skills, cryptocurrency does not guarantee continued earnings, especially in trading. However, buying Bitcoin and being willing to hold onto it for a long time is only easy ways for to start and make money in the cryptocurrency sector. However,beginners need to understand how to get a non-custodial wallet and how to secure their funds well even their willing to only invest in Bitcoin. However, never suggest to a newcomer that they begin with trading or any other marketing activities like that.

As a newbie you need to know about the crypto market first not easy it is to trade in the bitcoin market if you don't have good trading skills, the risk is high. It is important to remember that cryptocurrency trading can be highly volatile and comes with its own set of risks and rewards. Before investing your money it is essential to do your own research understand the risks involved and consult with a financial advisor. Relying on just one trade to make an investment decision can also be risky. It is advisable to have a diversified portfolio and regularly monitor and adjust your investments based on market conditions and your financial goals.

There's much to learn about bitcoin and trading on this forum if you can give it the required time needed together with being active here on the forum, you can get along with members discussions on bitcoin discussion board and the trading discussion board respectively in learning about your specific interest, also you can make use of the forum search button to explore other aspects of bitcoin and trading already discussed here.

Listen up: the financial world wants you to be clueless. They live off of how stupid you are. But Bitcoin's power comes from the fact that it is not centralized. It is a clear challenge to the traditional methods of doing things. If you really want to trade in Bitcoin, you need to learn as much as you can about it. Remember that knowledge is everything

A word of warning: this place is full of scammers and hacker and theives. Learn the basics, like how the blockchain works, what Bitcoin is for, and what role it plays in the world's financial system. Then, learn to protect it. Before you start buying, you should know how the market works. Once you know enough, you'll not only be able to resist the lure of casinos and gambling, but also be good at trade Bitcoins

I don't know why you made a poll OP. But welcome to Bitcointallk!

So you are mostly interested in earning from bitcoin investment. At this moment, I doubt buying bitcoin and holding it for a few years can change your life financially unless you have a big capital but it might also mean you already have the money and a 400% growth isn't life-changing anymore.

Bitcoin is a decentralized online currency and it is necessary since we have full control of it without the government and banks interventions. But we can still live without bitcoin of course. But as humans, we are about innovations for the betterment and bitcoin is one of them.

Learning to trade, especially for beginners, is very difficult and cannot even be obtained from 1 or 2 weeks so when you want to do it quickly, especially looking for someone you don't know who it is, this will make things a little complicated.
I recommend investing rather than trading, indeed the benefits of trading are sometimes greater if you can do it but for beginners who don't even know what bitcoin is I think the risk of losing is very large so it would be better to learn first what bitcoin is and then start investing rather than trying to trade which could make you feel cheated.

if you want to learn about bitcoin then i am sharing some sites with lot of articles about bitcoin which is simplified in a way that anyone can understand.
https://learnmeabitcoin.com/beginners/getting-started
https://github.com/bitcoinbook/bitcoinbook#mastering-bitcoin
If you want to learn about bitcoin, you can visit this forum daily and read from real people’s experiences. If you want to learn more technical things about bitcoin, you’ll need to take a blockchain course.
If you want to make money with bitcoin, the easiest way to do that is by investing in bitcoin for a long period of time around 5 years.
Buy bitcoin on a weekly or monthly basis in order to accumulate at an average price, rather than a top or bottom and find a side job offline or online so you can accumulate more bitcoin,
If you stick with this strategy for 5 years, you can expect to make a profit.

I'm not an expert nor too good to teach you anything, but I have advice for you. As a newbie, you should avoid trading because it is not as easy as you think and you will lose everything if you stubbornly trade, because you don't even have basic knowledge about bitcoin and the market, you cannot start with trade. If you are truly passionate about cryptocurrency, you should start things slowly and the basics are not so hard to find these days. You can learn everything yourself through some YouTube channels without anyone teaching you.

Welcome is good to learn many things about Bitcoin investment and trading, but since you have no idea about trading, I will advise you to start with Bitcoin investment because if you don't get knowledge about Bitcoin trading, you will be losing your money as gambling and casino is better you start with less risk, am very sure if you invest your money in Bitcoin you will get huge profit if you keep it for long term and you are patient about it, he will change your future to good, newbies are not suppose to start with trading Because of the significant risk involved however, if you begin with Bitcoin investing, you can carefully learn about trading.

Well if you're just starting from this industry since you said you transitioned from gambling to crypto industry, you'll have to study and gain some knowledge first because we all know how complicated trading especially if you're just a newbie. The first thing that comes to my mind when you mentioned marketing is the signature campaign, where you are being paid by Bitcoin itself by just posting informative information here in the forum. But as a newbie I think there's a long way for you to achieve that. I could only suggest is to invest cause among the two it would be hard for starters, so find a well paying job for you to have funds for investment in Bitcoin. Cuase if you only moved into Bitcoin due to losing money in gambling, I think you'll lose more here.

You either find a job on websites like upwork and the payment you'll get there, use it for buying bitcoin. Aside from that, you can just simply accept Bitcoin payment directly.

Don't say that you'll go away from casinos because at the end of the day, you'll never know if you can do it without gambling. If you've got a history of it, prove that to yourself without the need to say it.

Bitcoin investment is not gambling because if someone has knowledge of Bitcoin market and want to  invest in Bitcoin, it is good investment strategy. Bitcoin produce millions of millionaires.One who invest in Bitcoin for long term always got  a high profit. Bitcoin is not like a casino where someone cannot budget his margin or  profit. If someone has experience in Bitcoin investment, he can create his wealth. Bitcoin is not like a gold, it gave millionaire who change their country's economy. If you want to work in Bitcoin then you can learn about its basics points, marketing condition, investment strategy plan, right time to invest, start trading and take profit and secure from loss. This is not a child play you can be pro in crypto world the you can huge profit.

Trading bitcoin is not something that is easy and can be learned overnight, trading bitcoin requires knowledge and mental endurance because the price is very volatile. If you are a complete beginner in bitcoin, I don't recommend you to trade bitcoin, maybe you can save by buying bitcoin from your monthly income, it makes more sense and if you hold bitcoin for a long time, we are sure bitcoin will have a fantastic price in the future

As you said you're a newbie, you must avoid trading.

There's no such easy making money, if trading is so really easy and everyone can do that, there's no poverty in this world and every people can live comfortable.

You need to learn about Bitcoin first and try to understand before you're starting to buy Bitcoin, this can minimize the risk you will get scammed and you will not think Bitcoin is scam.

I don't know what kind of expert you are looking for or need in this matter, because if you just want to know about Bitcoin and learn everything that has to do with Bitcoin, I think you can also find that on several websites that you can use. as your initial reading to find out about Bitcoin. But if you want to get Bitcoin so you can trade within a certain period of time, you only need to provide as much capital as you can and buy it directly on the market or large exchanges that are very well known like Binance.

But it would be better if you first learn about Bitcoin thoroughly by reading more articles on the internet or in this forum so that you are no longer careless when you start trading. Because I'm sure there are many beginners who regret experiencing losses and blame Bitcoin, even though they themselves still don't have more knowledge about Bitcoin. So, as a beginner, you should be better than other beginners in Bitcoin, which means you have to be willing to learn seriously so you can be successful and have more beautiful dreams.

The mindset of most newbies are to always want to make money quickly, so the first thing they do when entering the market is to find experts with the hope of inheriting the secrets to becoming professional quickly or having a way to make money quickly without having to know too much. Very few serious beginners start from zero even though there is a lot of knowledge about bitcoin and cryptocurrency on the internet, but they don't search for it but instead always ask where the experts are. That is also the reason why newbies easily fall into the trap of trading signal groups.

OP, let me give you an advice of mine. Whenever you seek to learn something, seek the knowledge on YouTube. Everything tutorial you want can be found on YouTube. There are people who've already encountered whatever you're confronted with and made videos elucidating them, borrow from their experience and learn. It's better that way han asking users here who may not have that time to indulge you on what you want as speedily as you may want it.

The internet holds vast numbers of information about almost everything. All you need to do is ask about it. We got the whole world in the palm of our hand. So why not use that powerful thing? All it takes is to know the way how to ask the question. One step at a time. Have you done your own research before asking for help from here? This may sound disappointing but no one here is going to help you. You need to do it on your own.

Learn the basics first, then try it out on your own. If you get stuck at some point then you can ask here. By doing this maybe you will get some help. Don't get me wrong, there are people here who will help you for sure, but you need to give proof that you are putting in effort.

Don't go for advanced learning until you have mastered the basics first. Trading is not a game. It takes time, hard work, patience, and most importantly - a curious mind that is eager to learn.

Marketing has many branches hence you have to be specific. What do you wanna market?

As for trading, we have multiple threads about this. Learning how to search effectively will do you good as a lot in the field relies in self-help learning. For starters, if you wanna lookup threads in our forum, you could do so by keying-in the following format:


We do have a forum search bar but it can be clunky hence the suggestion.

What do you mean 'you want to do marketing' ? if you have marketing skills then you can try to find a real job, if you are interested in Bitcoin, you could try to get a marketing role in Bitcoin Exchange or you might want to get some job in any blockchain related industry. If you don't actually have any skills, then you should learn one get a real job and spare some of your salary to buy some Bitcoin.

The thing is, Bitcoin is not a get rich quick scheme.

BTC and other cryptoassets are suitable only for long-term hoding, so the main strategy is to avoid spending crypto. Cryptotrading is like gambling, I don't think that it's a good idea to even try it, especially if the sums you possess are not so high: trading fees usually cost more than any profit in case of small amounts of BTC. Long-term hodling requires years of patience, there won't be fast profit with crypto...

It's up to you how you will help yourself. No choice but to spend more time lurking in the crypto world reading articles, websites, watching videos, etc., and feeding yourself with knowledge about Bitcoin or mainly, about cryptocurrency. Professionals, experts, and someone more skilled will not break down details for you and spoonfeed it.

Start by reading what is Bitcoin in general then just keep on reading anything about it. Be vigilant too on the World Wide Web and I hope you don't fall into an obvious scam e.g investing your money in something then it will double without doing anything and something related to that.


On that part of staying away from casinos, it's your own responsibility to keep it that way.

There is, and its called trading. You could earn more than the rest of btc holders in span of a year if you have the right skills, knowledge and decision making. That's how technical traders differs from the rest.
And just like i said, you could, and it doesn't mean everyone so it takes times and lots of experience before getting to that level.

Bitcoin or cryptocurrencies don’t assure you of a future, your skills and how you apply them is what gives you that assurance. It’s a good thing you wish to learn with hopes of earning from cryptocurrency and I’ll urge you to stay the path, acquiring as much knowledge as you can and develop schemes that would aid you in archiving your goal.

Know that bitcoin is a currency and not entirely an investment although, it’s volatile nature is one that provides its hodlers with some profit for hodling over time, it is in itself a currency still.

I would also like to advise that you keep off trading in your early days and interactions with the cryptospace. It’s a highly sophisticated space that doesn’t recognize beginners and have a very unfriendly environment.
Instead of trading at the moment or seeking that for a goal, be focused on learning about bitcoin and its technology, how it operates, what moves it, how to analyze its market conditions and how you could use it safely and securely.

When your grounded in these, then you could move on to practicing trading and be ready for some disappointments before the wins.

Since you are a new user of this forum, you might not have much experience with Bitcoin and trading. But if you follow the advice of the experts here, surely you can gain knowledge and in future you will be able to profit by investing. I will give you this advice you never play gambling and casino it is most risky for you and fear of losing money. You invest in bitcoin it will change your life and you can definitely expect good amount of profit if you keep investing. But you must be sure about the volatility of the market before investing and never get emotional as market volatility may start anytime but be patient. If you can patiently invest in Bitcoin for a long period of time then surely good times are waiting for you and you can profit from it and change your life. You can make good profit using Bitcoin so you learn to analyze the market well and take initiative to invest later it will be profitable for you.

Perhaps for the top 10 cryptocurrencies, this response makes sense, but for all coins, I believe it's highly improbable as a long-term holding strategy. Meme coins would contribute significant losses to a long-term holding strategy due to their higher risks.

It all depends on your strategy when buying Bitcoin. If you purchase Bitcoin without knowledge and rely solely on luck, it's truly akin to gambling. However, if you can analyze a coin and consider all aspects, both fundamentally and technically (optional), you will come to realize that trading is not a form of gambling.

And for a modest sum of money, there's no harm in starting small. What truly matters is knowledge; larger sums can be cultivated from smaller ones when you understand how to manage them.

First of all if you are new to Bitcoin and interested in Bitcoin then this is your best decision.Bitcoin has many features and potential that provide great opportunities for newbies to earn profits.Also we should consider all the risks involved, and first of all new people should get knowledge and experience in crypto currency market, bitcoin and its related,because we should not just jump into the crypto currency market thinking that only profits can be made here.


Many people have made their future bright through Bitcoin, if you have passion and hard work then it is not difficult for you too.So you first try to learn and understand the market, how the crypto currency market is working.Trading is a very difficult task and should not be taken lightly. My advice to you is to start investing in Bitcoin with the money you spend in gambling or casino.You will also benefit that you will get rid of gambling habit and your money will be invested in a good place.Bear season is going on now if you invest now then this is the best opportunity for investment and you can get a good profit in the next season.

Not as long as the decision making is right, sometimes there are even very big losses in trading including some people who have been at that level, Yeah I know to be at that level of trading is not easy it takes time and long experience to know all the skills and patterns that can Combined, trading is honestly full of risks for BTC holders.

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But for the OP, there are lots of ways, sometimes you have to learn some suggestions directly because if you only say theory without putting it into practice then it's the same as if you never learned.
Find some trusted sources and step in, understand, and persist in what you want in this matter.

Remember there is no get rich quick in bitcoin, everything takes a long process.

OP you decided to trade in bitcoin. To do trading you need to have good knowledge and skills, understand about the market. If you don't have good knowledge about the market then you will face loss. OP you said you want to stay away from gambling and casinos which is a good decision. Many people are seen to gain by trading and lose again by gambling. You never go gambling. OP If you can acquire enough knowledge and skills about trading, then you can do trading. Don't just rely on trading, you should also invest in Bitcoin. Bitcoin price is very low at present. If you can invest now and hold for 2-3 years, hopefully you will get a lot of profit. However you invest or trade in Bitcoin, you have to take risks.

Before getting into Bitcoin, you should definitely get an idea about Bitcoin. OP you are currently new, in which case if you jump directly into bitcoin and start trading of course your portfolio is likely to be empty and facing losses is very high. And you should not suggest long-term hold because you don't have an intimate knowledge of the market. So you can get enough knowledge about the Bitcoin market from different exchanges and learn the preparations for trading. So it is better to get your knowledge on this current position, trading and holding is the next step.

For you to earn from Bitcoin, you must be ready to learn from the forum and also outside the forum on different sites and join different programs that will facilitate your learning. You don't have to rush it bush take it steadily. There are lots of benefits in cryptocurrency so all we need is to make the right decision by investing in good projects and other means of earning. There are different ways we can earn from cryptocurrency like mining, doing airdrops, staking, trading etc. These ways would facilitate our earnings and make us grow our portfolio as quick as possible.

Do focus on learning one thing first at a time. And you don't need someone to teach you about Bitcoin because it can be found already on the internet and the only you need is to spend time reading and watching online tutorials. But I would tell you that even if you have learned everything about Bitcoin, trading, etc....never expect that you can earn that fast and easily. Many people assume that they already gained enough knowledge and skills, and fail.

That was a good decision to leave gambling life for this won't give you profit but if you just wanted to please yourselves in doing, why not?

This is the wrong thinking of many people. Knowledge is the foundation of every path to success, but that does not mean that having knowledge will help us succeed. If OP wants to invest in bitcoin, of course knowledge is needed, but don't expect that just by having knowledge you can easily make a profit. Just like having a college degree does not mean we will get a high-paying job. It all depends on how we apply that knowledge into practice.

Furthermore, OP, if you want to start trading, it is really a big challenge and learning knowledge without practice will be useless. Therefore, in addition to focusing on improving knowledge, OP should also use a minimum amount of capital to get used to everything.

Having knowledge is not enough if we haven't put the knowledge we have into practice on what we have learned, the knowledge we have gained will be very different if we have faced it in reality, it takes a lot of experience so that we are experts in the knowledge we have learned. If we have mastered it well and have enough experience, we will be able to produce what we do.
I really agree with your suggestion that starting trading with little capital is a good strategy if we are just starting out so that we can understand it slowly and get profits from trading.

The elites would rather you didnt know that mastering cryptos is more important than hoarding them. Bitcoin may be tempting, but you're nothing more than a dust (not even a piece) in a much bigger game if you dont understand how it works.

You mention skills and application. Exactly. The people pulling the strings know this, which is why they dont bother educating the masses. They'd rather deal with an uninformed mob than a well-informed adversary. Its easier to control.

Therefore, commit yourself to learning. Then, and only then, should you enter the fight, prepared to fight the night. Keep in mind that the real battle is being fought in people’s heads, not on charts.

Well said mate, Having knowledge is not just enough to gain, However, in some cases, if you practice without knowledge, it is more likely to face loss or danger. For the practice phase, first you need to take basic knowledge to start something, suppose you are newbie and posting new in this forum, for this you should first have general knowledge about this Bitcointalk forum and read the rules, otherwise you may be banned. or be tagged by DT members. Now if you know the rules then you will be less likely to make mistakes when you actually go to post.
So all sectors are like that, success is not possible by practicing without knowledge. And if it goes to practice then I don't see anything other than facing losses

Damn, I didn't expect such an answer from you. With your wisdom, sending a newcomer to YouTube is simply inhumane ;D. Knowing that today YouTube channels are not always run by experienced people, the OP, with his naivety, will calmly fall into some kind of fraudulent business, and you will be to blame for something. OP, you are in the right place. Read slowly and several times what is not clear, but do not split your accounts. This is very noticeable; a newbie who creates a bunch of new topics and fights off gambling with all his hands is double in my eyes. I see your alt, and I already see a lot of spam.

I see you talked about life and the future. Well if you want tips and suggestions you're going to get a lot from the forum and would probably be confused about which one to pick.

Here's my take, don't rush. You need to first understand that Bitcoin is an asset that you take time to build. If you really want the good life and future you talked about, then probably forget about trading Bitcoin. Trading bitcoin is just capital gain, which you can even lose if you don't study price movements properly. You can trade Altcoins but invest in bitcoin. And for earning, get a job. If gaming and gambling aren't what you want, then just get a job. Save up and buy bitcoins...

Now, if you're not interested in the suggestion above, cause of reasons personal to you then just know, that the basic tips in trading bitcoin are buying high and selling low, studying price movements, getting a reputable exchange platform, understanding that fees are usually charged by platform and some others...

I would highly recommend that you learn about bitcoin first before you start getting in to "market trading".  As a financial advisor I can tell you that's you're going to get rekt if you don't understand what you're investing in.  Now maybe I'm wrong and you've been studying bitcoin but you are just getting started wit trading bitcoin..but if not, I highly recommend reading a few books to really understand bitcoin and how the blockchain works.

That's a difficult one that you are facing but looking for a job that pays in Bitcoin is going to be a rough path. They are not considered as a currency for payment yet by most companies so you might want to stick with the normal way of how they will pay you in salary form which is either your currency or in USD if you have an American client, well, some Australians and Canadians do pay the same way too. After you are paid, just direct that money to a reputable exchange and buy Bitcoin.

About the gambling problem. I think what you are doing here is right, try to keep yourself busy in finding work then if you find one, be sure that you won't come back from the bad habit. That's the problem when we start making money, we tend to go back to our bad habits.

No one will pay you to trade, it will be your own capital because it's too risky. You cannot also find someone who will pay to market Bitcoin because it's already popular and the people who buy it are marketing it themselves/ourselves.

First of all, you need to understand that casinos or gambling games are not ways for someone to earn money, if you've been having that mindset so far, you need to get that out of your mind and if you have already decided to stay away from them, that's a very good decision. If you've been using money on gambling and losing it all, you should start accumulating that money from now on and buy some Bitcoins with it every month and keep that for future.

You should start reading and learning about Bitcoin from every single source you can find after searching "What is Bitcoin?" on Google. Just remember that Bitcoin or cryptocurrencies are not a get-rich-quick scheme so that you don't get scammed by some website promising high returns and taking all you have away.

Learn about bitcoin first before trying to earn it, at least with the basic knowledge about bitcoin. Being profitable on trading comes is the result of the experience on trading, it will take you losses before you can earn a good amount of profit on trading. Earning money from cryptocurrency is not that hard depending on the way you are earning but doing it consistently is the part which makes it difficult.

Why not learn bitcoin and other part of cryptocurrency, and work in real life to make your first investment in cryptocurrency. I believe it's most of us are doing here.

I want to do this sir please tell me some books name then I will buy these books soon I want to study and learn Bitcoin fast.

I think if you do not know properly about trading then it can be more risky for you as everyone knows that bitcoin is not as easy to manage as people says. Bitcoin is also not easy to buy therefore don't waste your money through trading and marketing and if you are sure to get benefit from bitcoin then hold bitcoin instead of using it for trading.

Once a person is addicted to gambling then he does not have patience to keep bitcoin for longer time because he wants quick achievement which cannot be attain with the help of bitcoin. Bitcoin trading is risky and for newbies it becomes more risky therefore try to avoid trading at start because if you initiate it but don't recognize the situations well then hardly you will know the fact as failure cannot be bear by anyone.

Yes, that's right, before starting to invest in bitcoin, it's better to learn about bitcoin and how bitcoin works. He must also learn the risks of investing in bitcoin. Even though it looks easy to invest in bitcoin, especially if we look at the price of bitcoin which always hits a new ATH, but to be honest it's not easy, we to have good financial control so we don't panic when the price of bitcoin goes down and it's difficult to return to its previously price.

But I appreciate he intention to trust Bitcoin and try to invest there. That is the right choice and hopefully you can make a profit from bitcoin

I would combine the study of theory and practice. This is how I learned to trade myself. After studying some conventional “topic”, for example, a pack of technical indicators, I immediately tried them in practice. Although it is worth noting that this was initially not on a real deposit, which I could easily lose, but with the help of training services that some exchanges offer, for example Binance Academy. There you can trade with an "imaginary" deposit and see how good you are at it.

Don't be too excited to make money from crypto and trading is not convenient for you right now so if you want buy some bitcoin and hold then you can now and learn from some talented bitcoin users in return. You should learn about Bitcoin in your own country language and do a lot of research because you may find it difficult to understand from another language. Bitcoin is discussed in almost all languages ​​in this forum so do a search. However as an advice, i can say that trading can be a source of profit for you only when you can believe in your own consciousness.

Ouch! You're right there (both with your point and the below the belt punch you threw me 😏). It's an oversight of mine on this. I thought I dropped the complete gist on how to go about the YouTube thing in this thread but just realized I didn't. Instead, it was in another thread that I did 👇on a similar issue with newbies. My apologies.

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Again, I think anyone who parts with their cash because a random person is promising them a certain gain or profit should hold themselves responsible for that. They shouldn't blame anyone for their carelessness.

You are doing it wrong OP, the fact that you did not even took the time to look for ways in which you could improve on your own and learn how to trade is very telling, no one is going to take the time to guide step by step on your journey, you need to start it on your own and then when you find an obstacle you cannot overcome on your own, that is when you ask very specific questions about what you could do to get past them and improve even further.

Your investment is your responsibility and all risks that will occur are on your own consciousness.
If someone invites you to start looking at advice from YouTube or other social media that is more informative, it is just a suggestion and should have a filter for the advice.

Although as a beginner, of course, you must also have good standards to follow the advice of others.
Because we are here talking about investment, about money that will be spent on investments that are expected to benefit.

Blaming others for one's own investment is not always justified, because carelessness is personal responsibility.

The knowledge alone never give us money at any point,when the knowledge is applied to the practical.Then you can earn from it,even the trader can earn after the apply of their tactics into their trading.Many people was earning the cryptocurrency by the participants of the social media marketing.The trading can be learned using the little capital,So if you had loss the money in the initial stage.The loss will be low,after learning the trading.You can increase the trading amount gradually based on the trading knowledge.

if you want to earn and get paid in Bitcoin, you can look for freelancing jobs that pays in Bitcoin.  You can also try to learn about Bitcoin technicals such as blockchain technology and get hired by a company that wants to venture into cryptocurrency services.  You can also try to do trades, buy buying and selling goods that accept Bitcoins.  If you want, you can also participate in Bitcoin trading by learning the curves of Bitcoin trading and its economy.

It is also a good step to stay away from gambling if you are unable to control yourself since it can eat up all your hard work if you get hooked on it.

Do you want to trade Bitcoin? Do it, take the chance, and gain experience and from there you'll get to understand what's the reaction of others to it.

You seem to have a gambling addiction. Well, going for trades and doing tasks or marketing and getting paid with bitcoin is a good diversion of your interest because that's a common problem of gamblers. But what if you become good in trading and since you're earning well and you back in gambling, that's again like going back to zero as you do.

Since you admitted that you are a newbie in Cryptocurrency I would not recommend that you go straight to trading or make a profit from Bitcoin there are a lot of risks involved and you will be disappointed and discouraged if you find out late that you could lose in trading, start by reading Bitcoin's Whitepaper (https://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf) understand its concept, underlying technology, and the risks.

Once you learn how to transact and secure your funds then you can explore how to earn from trading the most important thing is to take your time and not be in a hurry, opportunities will come when you are ready for it.

Your username says all man. I thought you were a freelancer as your username says. You also said that you have eight years of experience in trading. So, why are you asking about it again? Let's say you did not ask about trading but Bitcoin only. Why not start reading the thread from the forum? You have to ask more specific questions like I do not understand what is segwit, I do not understand what is taproot or other things that you do not understand. But when you say you need suggestions, people will give you random suggestions and you will confused about it. Moreover, stop using multiple accounts to create spammy topics.

It's really nice to see that more and more people are getting involved in the crypto space, especially in Bitcoin.

I would suggest starting with a dive into the history of crypto, which began in 1974 with Carf & Kahn's work on TPC/IP. Then, cryptography was born with Diffie & Hellman's 'New Directions of Cryptography' in 1976, and it continued to evolve. When you come across David Chaum's 'Untraceable Electric Mail' from 1981, take a deep look because this is where it all started. It's highly correlated with Satoshi Nakamoto's Bitcoin Whitepaper. Once you read and fully understand the Bitcoin Whitepaper, you'll begin to see some significant things that might happen in the future and how institutions could become interested in it.

Next, I recommend exploring the historical price chart and examining what happened to Bitcoin's price during major events. As for trading, I don't believe in sentiment patterns that many people rely on. Instead, I have faith in trading algorithms because they drive price movements. Why do I think this way? It's because there are instances where you can observe large orders in one direction, but the price doesn't move in that direction. This raises the question: why?

Take your time, jot down all the information, and embark on a journey because you're entering the world of financial markets, where there's so much information that it can overwhelm your thought process.

You only need the will to stop gambling because, without it, you will not be able to stop gambling.
But earning bitcoins and gambling are different things, so if you want to make money from trading, you have to learn more from other people, which obviously takes time.
But not many people are willing to spend their days learning to trade and instead gamble, so their desire to make money from bitcoin will not be achieved.
You must be able to find lessons about trading and don't expect other people to teach you because they may not be able to.
Nowadays you can get various kinds of lessons from the Internet so you have to look for them to learn what you need.

It would really nice if these newcomers get involved in crypto with the genuine intention of participating in its economic usage.  Most of the people who joined cryptocurrency are just in for the profit and most of them think that Bitcoin is a get-rich-quick tool and easily get out of the industry when they are disappointed.


It is good to know the history of Bitcoin but some knowledge is not needed and can only be a waste of time if the investors wanted to dive into trading and not to create books of history of Bitcoin predecessors.


This is a must for those who want to learn the pattern and market movement and wanted to engage with Bitcoin trading.


In order to not be overwhelmed with Bitcoin information, one can just pick a path of knowledge on what he wanted to venture.  He can just ignore the unnecessary information that is not needed on the career path he wants to journey.

He said he has 8 years of gambling and 5 years of bitcoin trading experience, but he came here to ask us about bitcoin trading, I really don't know what he wants. Additionally, he said he lost all his money and family, which could also have been such a shock that he wasn't lucid enough to know what he was talking about.

From what he is sharing, I think he needs a job first instead of quitting gambling and switching to bitcoin trading immediately. That shows he is in a hurry to make money and this easily leads to mistakes in bitcoin trading. A job with a stable income is what he needs more than anything.

The reason why I advised him to start trading with minimal capital, other than understanding it slowly, I'm pretty sure that losses in trading are inevitable in the first days. Therefore, we should only use the smallest amount of capital to avoid big losses as well as use that money to exchange for lessons and experiences that no book can teach us. No one can win or make a profit in the first days of trading, once you participate in trading, you must accept losses before thinking about profits.

Dear mate I don't believe you should have recommended YouTube based on the OP's knowledge. I don't think this is something to explain to you; you know better than I do that there are very few people on YouTube who base their quality of knowledge on the truth and often promote things without reason. In the process of taking views, So, I can't agree with your point that getting knowledge on YouTube will be a better step to learning knowledge. I will record this thread for OP regarding gaining knowledge of Bitcoin. Visit (https://t.co/yxLhrgbH6k) it and read out the OP's post well. Moreover, you might be able to see how good he made the site for getting knowledge. Besides that, on those sites, he made a split section for the library, in which he put all those rare books (https://sovereignuniversity.org/resources/books). Which I think should be read by everyone who is involved in the field of cryptocurrency, be it a newbie or a professional. Everyone should see that gaining knowledge never ends.

Good thinking, this is the right step you have taking by getting advices from your seniors and people in the field which will help you achieve your goals.Follow the advices and steps been given to you don't rush if not you may crash, because investing in Bitcoin is not gambling or guess work it needs prope reading and understanding then follow up before you can start investing which will make trading easy for you because Bitcoin investment is not short trem but long  term and so you need  to be patience and have other means of income so that while waitin for your investmen  to mature,you keep on moving with your life

He probably wants to make money on the forum, and you can see that from the very day he registered he was applying for bounties. What he says here makes so little sense that I think most of it will be made up. People know that bounties in most cases do not make money and that in this part of the forum you can earn bitcoin, so we often see stories especially in this section of which I personally doubt the veracity. Why someone who says he has 5 years of trading experience comes to ask for advice on trading? The simplest explanation, which is the most likely correct one, is that he has made it up.

Someone who has been trading for 5 years would have been broke a long time ago, if he is like the vast majority of traders who make losses, and if he were a profitable trader he would not be asking for advice and applying for bounties.

If you didn't jump into this from the middle of it, you would've seen where I made a clarification immediately another user drew my attention to that gaffe and I quickly adjusted to what I skipped with a relevant quote. Next time, try reading the whole gist before quoting someone so you don't misconstrue them.

Besides, on your honour, can you say you haven't ever gained knowledge from visiting YouTube? Can you? Yes, I know greenhorns need guidance on YouTube but it doesn't mean it's that demonic visiting it on one's own. What's needed is carefulness and focus, provided one knows what one's searching for. At the moment, I'm learning SMC on YouTube for free and the materials I've been getting are awesome. So, what's the hullabaloo for?

I don't understand the marketing part but in trading you'll need to learn it for a few months or even years and try to do a demo. Right now I can see that you still do not have any capital so it is better if you can find work first so that you have a source of income. After that learn trading so that when you are ready you have capital to start.

There are tons of tutorials online and for free. Just find what best suits you because we don't know if you are a reader or want some videos to learn. Just search on Google and YouTube and you'll find dozens of them. I just want to advise you to do it consistently like on a daily basis and do not stop until you learn it.

Welcome to the forum you are a newbie maybe you have very little idea about the forum and about bitcoin, when a new person comes to the forum he must not understand well at first, and then he is able to move forward with the help of everyone. If you want to learn about bitcoins, be sure to check out the many topics that have been created on the forum. And if you are passionate about trading and marketing then take advice from a good businessman who will definitely guide you in making good decisions. Moreover, if you want to avoid gambling, you should definitely know about bitcoins. Of course, you can earn good money from Bitcoin investment without gambling, it will be interesting for you.

How to find and know exactly who are good businessman to pursue and learn from? If he had found a good teacher, he wouldn't have come up here to ask us. In my opinion, there are no experts or talented traders who claim to be talented. Talented people often do not appear in public and quietly make money in the market, while only scammers often go on social networks claiming to be experts. Therefore, the best thing is that if anyone wants to participate in the market, especially trading, they should research and learn everything themselves. Everything is available on the internet, don't try to find experts because there are no experts in the market.

There is no other way to gain massive profits from bitcoin, namely trading, mining in it, yes, in this forum there are lots of threads about bitcoin and so on, so it is true that if you want to learn fully about bitcoin then focus on what you are aiming for. Don't play too much on other threads on the forum if you need accelerated learning on the forum.

And yes, you want to avoid casinos or gambling, whereas on forums there are lots of advertisements marketing casinos here, so if the OP is not focused on his goal, I doubt his wish will be achieved.

Casino and gambling aren't bad but if you're having problem with addiction then you should stay away from them because they'll make you lose money fast but if you don't have addiction and you can discipline yourself to not get addicted then you can use them to generate capital that you'll use to invest in Bitcoin or use as capital for trading but don't trade if you haven't learnt how to trade very well and can be sure you'll make profit when you enter the market because trading is very risky.

Tracing is a good way to earn Bitcoin because but many individual don't learn it well and that's why they're losing instead of making profits, if you want to become successful as trading then you need to make sure you have gained all the knowledge that you can get your hands on.

I think there are many experienced and expert people whose advice we can trade well. it's better to ask different people's opinion than to ask or know one businessman.There are many talented traders who share their experience with people through their platform,and people are benefiting from their useful tips and trading methods.Doing research and learning by yourself is a good thing, but we have to rely on some trader,because at the beginning of every work, you need the support of someone.

Who informs you about the rules and regulations of the beginning of this work.Explain about the benefits and risks in it.If according to your opinion everything is available on the internet, then the content available on the internet is also published by an expert, so the existence of experts cannot be denied.Most of the experts publish the extracts obtained from their experiences on the Internet, from which new people will always benefit.

I see that OP is very ambitious to trade, I just remind him that don't have the thought that we will get rich or successful quickly with bitcoin trading, because if we have thoughts like that then usually everything that is done will be accompanied by excessive ambition, and in my opinion it is not good for our psychology. because in trading we have to really master the terrain and that's not enough because we also have to have calmness or in other words we have to be mentally prepared and so on.
As a beginner it would be nice to learn and understand in advance everything in bitcoin, and indeed as you say it will take a very long time to understand it well.

Seeking advice from experts and pro traders is quite an idea. Yes, nothing can compare with how we learn from others.

Though, while these opinions and advice can help us, remember that every market is unpredictable (stocks, gold, bitcoin, real estate, etc). Even the most experienced traders sometimes become blind. So you should have a solid understanding of market trends, analytics, and risk management strategy. There are many things to improve ourselves.

Every trader has a unique style, and what works seamlessly for one might not work as smoothly for another. So, digest that expert advice, but let it marinate with your own research and understanding.

If you're a newbie, that means you don't know anything about trading; you don't know the concept of bitcoin and cryptocurrency yet. You should also ask yourself: What kind of trader are you? short-term or long-term trader? Entering the Bitcoin business like this is not easy for you to do; yes, it is easy to buy and sell Bitcoin or any cryptocurrency in the market.

But when it comes to understanding the market and how to use trading tools to easily identify the direction the value is headed, this is where the problem arises because the opinions you will read are different.

So you really have to do your own hard work here so that you can succeed and get a good profit in the future here in the crypto space as well. There are many opportunities here, and that's true, but you should also know for yourself how determined and dedicated you are to what you want to happen when you enter this forum platform.

Trading is actually a good money sources, but for starters who doesn't have funds and would really need money it could be the worse cause for sure OP went to trading just to earn money which he would have the mindset of easy money or quick rich. I strongly agree that being so optimistic to the part that you might not control your emotions in trading because by just a simple loss, it could change your mood and thinking easily. My advice for starters especially to people who doesn't have the funds yet to start, try to invest at yourself first, invest by attaining knowledge to deepen your understanding, invest your time as being consistent would help you to be familiarize on the platform and how things work. So when the time comes you are ready to enter the market, not only your funds are ready, but also the trader.

Welcome to you on crypto world and bitcoin .As you know you have to learn many thing behind it .You don’t invest or trade right at the beginning cause you may loose your fund and hope as well .However you need to learn how to invest and how to trade if you really wanna earning from bitcoin .I have lost many of fund at the beginning of my journey cause enter on the market without having any knowledge .After that i had learn many thing concern it like trading ,gambling,investmemt etch .So you have to learn first how to do these all and start gradually earning if there is need to invest think twice it will be risky .You know what no risk no gain .Best of luck for your journey .

There is a saying that sometimes even expert swimmers drown; So it is not necessarily that experienced traders can never lose, but even experienced traders have to suffer significant losses at times. Even if you have good experience in stocks, gold, bitcoin, real estate. Even if you have thorough knowledge of market trend analysis and risk management, there is no guarantee that you will never lose.

Yes, but by being aware of all these things and with a good strategy, we can minimize our loss rate and improve our profit rate. While a new trader can lose more in trading without knowing these things. It is not necessary that every trade of an experienced trader is successful, or that every trade is profitable for him. Even an experienced trader's analysis can be wrong and the market can go in the opposite direction, leading to losses.

We should try to establish a valid point here, not all experienced traders are successful but it's all successful traders that are experienced. This is why what you wrote is kinda of too general and could mislead. If the experience is in such a way that the trader is good in what he does and is successful, then it's worth emulation. All traders might not be successful, that's is not the issue, but the issue is whether or not the person is having consistent profit over a period of time. The market is too dynamic, and for this, no one can perfectly predict anything, which is why traders lose at times even with the best trading systems and plans.

But a good trader will have more winning than losing, and even with the right money and risk management, the odd would beat better to the side of the trader for more successful earning and account preservation.

I think that a good trader is one who feels when a boom is becoming unjustified and not worth it. For example, it will prevent the loss of a significant part of the deposit or getting stuck in a position and not being able to get out of it due to the realisation of large losses. He will also be able to determine for himself the range of earnings for a certain period of time and stay within it, making plans. Yes, no trader can predict the situation in the market, but a good trader can predict the situation in which he will find himself in the market.

Traders often find themselves on contradictory positions and they need to learn how to deal with them, now even if they thought the movement of the market was not aligned with the reality, should they still sell even if deep down they know they can still obtain more profits if they hold a little bit longer? We know the markets can be completely irrational but what matters is if you can take advantage of them, so even if getting out early makes sense, it makes even more sense to not sell and obtain all the profits that you can.

For me, that's not the best way to tell a newbie not to start. Were you not once a newbie like OP? Is like op asking "Hey show me where I could start in learning how to trade. And you be like, Nah.. Trading ain't for you bruh!"

Common, there are books and even some exchanges that teach new traders an easy step into crypto. At least OP can start by understanding spot trading before thinking of futures. Again, how to DCA. Some easy steps before thinking of getting advanced

I don't totally agree with you saying here is not agree a good place to learn trading, I know their are some members that their opinion might not make sense but their are still members who are here to correct wring opinions of people who do not have good ideas. The forum is a place that has helped a lot of people in investment and trading, though one might not learn everything about trading here but their are still some basic things one can learn about trading and investing here. The main aim of the forum is to help members put them through in trading if having difficulties.

My point is not that not all experienced traders are successful, but that all experienced traders may have different success rates. My main point was that even an experienced trader can make mistakes, even an experienced trader can lose. Not every trade by an experienced trader is necessarily successful. Making consistent profits is not that easy. The success of any successful trader can be measured by his successful trading. If someone makes 10 trades in a day and seven of his trades are successful and he loses in three, then we can call him a successful trader.

The difference between an experienced and a new trader is that an experienced trader can control their losses immediately while newbies can take more losses than controlling losses. Market volatility can also go against our estimation. We have to trade with the trend. This is a lesson for newbies to never assume that they will always make a profit in every trade after gaining experience.

I don't see anything wrong with you learning how to trade, but as a beginner, my advice to you would be to not rush through any of your actions. I would also like you to learn a lot about bitcoin and how to invest in it because, of everything you mentioned to learn, I would choose to learn how to invest in bitcoin because it is the most functional investment that many young people make today in order to benefit from it later. What I'm trying to convey is that learning more about bitcoin and starting to invest your money will be easier for you than doing other things, but you need first be aware of the danger involved.

Every investment carries risk, and trading is no different. The risk with bitcoin is the price because it typically changes, and when it does, you may want to sell your coin at that time even though the price isn't worth what you paid for it. Another risk with online trading is scams. These days, people primarily use the internet to defraud others and steal from them what they have worked so hard to earn.

No one has ever lost money by taking a profit, even if it is a small profit, but it will be better than holding the position and ultimately waiting for losses. For a beginner, the best thing would be to start by buying Bitcoin, without trying to trade it, let it be a hold, this will be a guarantee that he will not lose what he has. Bitcoin will make a profit when it grows in price, but for a beginner it is better to exclude at the very beginning any attempts to increase the number of satoshis through trading or other dubious methods.

If you are hard working you will get good from this forum. Here you don't have to do physical work but here you will need mental work. You are a new member of the forum, as a new member of the forum first you need to know the general rules of the forum. After knowing the general rules in the forum, you will try to know the next things. If you want to trade you should spend more time in the trading section of this forum and try to get different ideas about trading from the regular actives there as well as you should have regular actives in other sections of the forum. Apart from having a regular presence in the forum, if you can try to learn something from outside the forum, it will be more positive for you. If you spend time behind trading like this then hopefully you will be a good trader in future.

Did you read all of my post there? Take note that i am not even in the position to tell op what to do, but to give my own 2 cents, when newbies talk about trading, they usually do not understand it, but they only want to make money because they believe trading is an 'easy' way to make money, it is safer for the newbie if you tell them not to trade, but rather to learn about BTC.

How can someone who doesn't even understand the basics about BTC in itself start studying about trading, does it make any sense to you; like i said i am not the one to tell you or op what to do, so each to their own.

Maybe this is a good way ti start, but how should a beginner transfer from just holding and waiting to actual trading? Just holding won't teach him how to deal with market fluctuations, he won`t know what to do with his deposit when price is going up o down, he won't know if it is a good time to fix the position or would it be better to wait a little longer in order to make more profit. Holding is a good thing, but when it comes to trading, we should not forget that a beginner will not always be a beginner. At some point he will have to do a step further.

As I understand from this topic, the discussion is not only about making money from investing and trading. It is gaining more and more popularity around the world when people receive cryptocurrency for their work. That's what we're talking about. Would you dare to take such a step? I'm interested to know about this.
Personally, it makes absolutely no difference to me, since Bitcoin and other coins and tokens can be easily exchanged through exchangers for any fiat currency.

It's good that you decided to quit gambling and casino, it's all a loss of money.
If you have some money, you can buy Bitcoin and start trading, and if you do not have experience in trading, you can buy Bitcoin and Holding until the price rises.

Seriously, I just don't get what's wrong with this forum members. The OP said he wants to be a trader, and the least we could do is guide him on how to become, but some people has chosen to discourage him by telling him that trading is not meant because he's a newbie.

@ op, there's always a beginning step for everything, it doesn't matter if you're a newbie or not, you can become a trader. You just have to take your time and learn. There are courses you can do on technical and fundamental analysis, and also gain general knowledge of trading, these will help you to become a trader. Don't get discouraged by people telling you that you can't do it, ignore them. As long as you put in the work, you will learn and become as good as those top traders. Nobody was born a professional trader, we all were once a newbie.

Good luck.

Welcome to the bitcointalk forum friends.
If you want to trade, what you need to know first is that trading is not something that is easy for beginners to understand because the method is so complicated. You have to learn the basics of Bitcoin first, you can learn using this forum or you can learn from outside this forum. If you are still a beginner, the most basic thing you have to understand and understand is how bitcoin works, how to get it and most importantly how to store bitcoin safely.

Before you decide to invest in Bitcoin, you must also study and understand the risks. Don't push yourself too hard, investing in Bitcoin will make you get rich quickly, this is the case with playing casinos, if you invest by gambling to get rich quickly, you will end up losing money. The most important thing for beginners is that Bitcoin investment is considered more suitable because it has a large market capitalization and is more established.

Even though it fluctuates, the regulatory framework is clearer than gambling in casinos. Moreover, Bitcoin is the most liquid crypto asset, so it is easy to buy and sell. Everything still has to be set limits, don't let you invest more than your own abilities.

Having a thought of a business to get into because you have come across prosperous testimonials out of it is a different thing from what is involved (inside) in other to be successful.
It is a good one of you having the thought of getting into business but inside of you, how are you ready to face and beat the challenges of it because Bitcoin investment is not a magical source of finance despite it's potentialities of financial explorations possibilities.
My dear, don't get discouraged on your decision on investing on Bitcoin but you must be aware that it doesn't point at enriching you over night over a matter of seconds, minutes or hours as gambling and the casino you seems addicted about but it demands your patient to hover over the market trading as longer time maybe demanded.

First approach as a BTC beginner is to invest your time in  to obtain >>>
* Passionate development on BTC
* Basic studies on what BTC is all about
* Know about the logics and risks involved
* Knowledge about data transmission across  BTC networking (block chain) for coins safeness
*Trading time factors.
* Lookout to readable and virtual learning schemes on the internet and physical illustrations if possible and also as demo.
* After researches made, confirm your research on different research links for authentication.

After that you can think of investing your capital on the BTC trading. Hence this doesn't necessarily requires you an advanced skills other than your ability to hold a period of time as may be demanded probably a long a short, long and longer time with the goal to make patient of its market increase in value to make it lucratively.


Warning >>>
You must have to invest a sum of capital you can tolerate to loose if eventually because such is a business mindset required as an Investor so you don't get weigh down with the fear of starting up again and in due time you can advance to top your capital.

Advice>>>
Since you sounds like there is no source of income of you other than gambling and the casino, you must learn to let go those gambling addictions as the risk of your investment has you much lot of heartache already with the potentials of financial explorations.
And... Do not forget to diversify your invest when you think you have more capitals for another source of finance.

Keep to your courage and stay positively reliable on your dream BTC

"......permissonless currency...."

Sometimes, when i come across btc grammatical expression  like the one indicated above, it will look like i'm new into deep currency but, i'm not. It's just a mere perception from a different angles.

Regards

First read about Bitcoin, trading, crypto currency, and CEX and DEX; you need to know and understand them first before you try trading. This, in my opinion, is the best way to start here in the Bitcoi business world. To be honest, it's not easy to understand Bitcoin, and if you do, you must have a passion for it. Because without it, you won't be sure to last here.

I am able to last in this business industry because of my passion, which I combined with dedication, determination, and perseverance. And as I studied and learned, I discovered that I was gradually gaining an understanding of what I had entered.

Since you are a newbie and you want to earn bitcoins, you should always research the cryptomarket with your best. It is very important to have maximum knowledge about crypto market to earn bitcoins. Because the cryptocurrency market is very volatile, if you don't trade at the right time, you will lose your entire money, and if you have knowledge about the crypto market, you can trade at the right time. Remember trading is very risky. A small mistake in trading can make you lose everything. So you need to think carefully and do a lot of research before trading. So before trading consult a professional and skilled trader privately and do your own research and trade. Then you will be able to earn bitcoins.

The forum can't teach you about trading but it can teach you about investing in Bitcoin and that can be done by buying and holding Bitcoin. If you want to learn about trading, you have to go do that outside the forum. We have some youtube channels that teach trading for free or website that has a good reputation on teaching about trading without extorting their viewer for money without teaching them how to trade properly. Individual on the forum only share trading tips and strategy.

The main aim of the forum is to help members Invest in Bitcoin and teach them how to secure their Bitcoin investment by using a non custodial wallet and not trading. If any individual is having difficulties in trading then he should go back to rethink about the strategy that he's using to trade and try something new.

I can feel some serious eagerness in you, sensing from what you posted and I want to plead that you take things very easy and don't try forcing pressure on yourself.
I understand  that you must have heard and read alot about bitcoin mostly the good and I will say that, since you're  interested in bitcoin,  the forum is a very nice place to be and I can also assure you that every knowledge you seek and easily be gotten here and if you want a sure source of income through bitcoin or cryptocurrency in general,  is to register as a payment agent for exchanges and enjoy steady flow of cash but quick one, becoming an agent is always very expensive as you'll be required atleast 3k dollars to get accepted send started but for now, I think you should focus more on learning than earning.

As I can say, cryptocurrency itself is a risk, but we need to handle things. For which we need some knowledgeable skills about the trading. The trading strategies are very important that we had to use during the trading. Also, if a person knows he has some losses, and has some bad trading situations sometimes, he can only learn great things at that time. We all know great things come by facing hurdles, so same in the case of trading. Beginner needs more to learn, trading strategies, the lookout of the graph, and the way of trading, all these things have an impact on the individual trader, which can make him to be in profit or can make him to be in loss. The main thing is consistency in each step of the journey.

You are right on advising him not to trade since his still a newbie as everything will look so strange in his eyes and he might run into a lot of losses because of the fact that he's inexperienced, I think sometimes too as a newbie the best thing to do is to buy and hodl bitcoins and after which one can now try to learn and understand basic trading ethics to follow in other not to run into numerous losses. Though I know that someone that introduced him to this forum must have given him a hint of how trading bitcoin work but didn't enlighten him on the dangers of trading when he has little or no knowledge about some trading strategies that are often applied for safe trading

I regret it. I thought 20,000 was the high point and would collapse. Look at it now~
I have mixed feelings in my heart! ! !

It seems there are special boards you can visit to make posts like this because this discussion is not very relevant in the bitcoin sub. But even so, I want to respond a little about how you can do it and to give the right answer you also have to look at the budget capacity you have to start with. When your budget is limited, DCA is the right choice for you because this kind of strategy combination is believed to be much more responsible for buying bitcoin for some people who don't have a big budget.

Consistency, calm and not worrying is the way to success in investing in Bitcoin and you will find it when you have knowledge and experience. Don't stop looking for opportunities because if you haven't started today it will always be an excuse for us not to develop and I support your steps in starting responsibly, not by blindly forcing yourself in investment.

It is true that trading is not suitable for beginners because it has too much risk. But if he is really interested in trading, he can get acquainted and start with a demo account. That will help him gain basic experience of what trading is like. Because each person will have different goals and preferences, although holding is suitable for everyone but many people do not like to hold for a long time and only like to trade daily. So we shouldn't force them if they don't like it. Even if we are long-time market participants, if we have never traded before, we are still completely new traders. So let them start if they want to become a trader.

Well, it's good that you concern yourself about staying away from gambling; that is a good move or limitation because gambling will not give you anything. If you really want to earn bitcoin, then you can start by researching on the internet or watching YouTube videos of what bitcoin is. You first need to know how bitcoin works, what its technology is, etc. So, you will have an idea of what technology you are into, then you can move into different ways to earn, like trading, which is common, but you can also earn from staking or doing commissioned works related to bitcoin, like graphic arts, so you can see those offers in the services section of this forum. Trading is a complex way to earn, and there's no guarantee that you will always earn from it, as even experts in trading sometimes fail. You can start by ranking up your bitcointalk forum account and joining the signature campaign, and you can accumulate some earnings there for starting.

Apart from the things you mentioned, I also have other help from this forum. You can ask almost everything in this forum and will likely have people to answer your questions. For example, I had some issues with my Linux OS setting up the latest version of Electrum; the forum members helped me install it correctly. Anyone who wants to learn a trade may get help from the forum. But ou have asked some specific questions regarding your queries. Suppose you don't know what to ask, and you ask questions like "How to learn trading?" It's not a good question, and you won't find a good answer.

If you participate in gambling with the desire to make money and get rich from it, you should stay away from it, but if you play gambling for entertainment after a tiring day of work, it is not necessarily bad. 

Second, I agree that trading or staking are ways to make money in this market but is that too risky? As some people have mentioned, trading is not suitable for newbies, trading only makes them lose more than they gain. Meanwhile, staking means you need to place your bitcoins on centralized platforms, which is too risky for the OP. Don't forget what happened to FTX, BlockFi...lending platforms collapsed.

I think, OP's best way is to work hard and save money to invest long term in bitcoin, that's best for him. Don't dream that you can make money in this market easily by trading or betting. Don't dream that you can make money in this market easily by trading or staking when you are a newbie with no experience and knowledge.

Indeed, you better stay away to gambling. Gambling is no no good for anyone who is starting his journey in here. Yes, research, read, and study. The first thing he should study is how to read the charts. There's a lot of tutorial in Facebook and Youtube, he can start by watching tutorial. There's a lot of option in investing like what you said, like yeah he can do staking, trading, and etc. He should also consider to have a strong personality and have a ton of patience. He can also invest short term or long term and so on.

Trading is not easy, especially for a beginner who has no experience in trading, because experience is what will make you a good trader because you already know the risks involved and also understand how to trade correctly.
And it is true that before using real money or engaging in real trading, you should try trading with a demo account that many platforms provide. And this allows you to practice without the risk of losing money and can learn and understand the positive and negative sides of trading which can help you become a profitable trader for you.

This is quite a crazy statement:  "it might also mean you already have the money and a 400% growth isn't life-changing anymore."

If someone wanted to get to $2 million in order to get to a kind of western entry-level fuck you status, and s/he came to bitcoin in the last year or so, and maybe such person has around $500k to invest, and so even if they completely got their $500k into bitcoin in a relatively short period of time, then if the investment went up 4x, then they would be at fuck you status.  Of course, we have to be careful in regards to how we measure our bitcoin wealth, and if we believe that getting into dollars reaches our goal, then we cash out when we get to 4x, but if we want to keep most of our value in BTC, then we may well have to wait for the 200-week moving average to move up from $29k to $120k-ish in order to have some more assurance that we are considering the bitcoin bottom rather than prematurely cashing out based on tips and then perhaps not having better places to put the value as compared to keeping most of it in bitcoin.

By the way, it could take around 6 years or so before the 200-week moving average moves up to $120k-ish, and surely that would not be a long time to get 4x out of your investment (and why be greedy?), but people can sometimes be impatient, and for sure bitcoin price rises (and even the ongoing going up of the 200-week moving average is not guaranteed, even though historically it has ongoingly gone up).


This statement is not true.

ONLY bitcoin is suitable for long term holding, and the non-bitcoin "cryptoassets" are referred to as shitcoins for a reason, which is that they are not suitable for long term holding but they might be suitable for trading, if you can figure out price moves and strategies to get in and out of that crap.

One of the BIGGER problems with even attempting to trade bitcoin may well have to do with failures and refusals to accept that bitcoin is likely inevitably inclined towards UPpity... so whenever you sell bitcoin, you run a decently large risk that you might not be able to buy it back for less than you sold it..

Another advantage that might come with bitcoin is to build up a certain stash of it prior to even considering trading, so that would mean consistently buying and building and once you might have spent a decent amount of time buying, then at least you have a stash to work with and also you have information about your stash including the cost of various coins that you bought and you can even lump them into groups that might help you to decide how to treat them in terms of possible trading, which again still runs into the risk of any sales might not result in any ability to buy back for less than the sales amount, so overall if the whole stash is rather small, then maybe there would be a goal to build the BTC stash to be much larger before even fucking around with trading...

Maybe trading with shitcoins is more justifiable than trading with bitcoin, even though it may well take a lot of time and waste a lot of brain power, when brain power may well be better spent on figuring out ways to stack BTC by earning more money and our cutting expenses and just being more persistent with BTC stacking ideas that don't involve gambling.. ..

Another thing is that if someone has a job and they might be young, so they are expecting their salary to go up through the years, they still can be figuring out if there are ways to attempt to front load their bitcoin investment because there are likely legitimate theories that bitcoin prices are likely going to rise higher than the rate at which someone might make more money later down the road, so there might be some value in trying to buy more bitcoin earlier, even if a person might be expecting to make more money later down the road.. However, how to balance these matters cannot be clear, and after a few years of stacking sats, then reassessments can be made in regards to if there might be some value in attempting to trade any of the bitcoin or even limiting a small portion of the stash to trading, such as 10%.. but if someone spent 3-5 years building such stack, they might want to be careful in regards to how much they want to put at risk and/or to fuck around with by trying to trade with it.. maybe no more than 10% of it.


Well gresham's law would be to spend the shittiest of currencies first, and there are some theories that some of the shitcoins are better to hold than dollars, and I wonder about that.  Of course, if you have shitcoins, you may want to spend them, but yeah, if you consider them to be investments then they would be the last to spend.. which is surely true about bitcoin should be the last of anything that any of us chooses to spend, unless it is either spend and replace or unless we have some kind of strategy to sell small amounts on the way up, without any expectation that we would be able to buy back cheaper... but if we sell small amounts of our BTC after larger amount BTC price appreciation we have better chances that the BTC price might come back down, but surely not guaranteed, and surely not a good habit or mindset for someone who might still be in the earlier stages of BTC accumulation and/or building wealth (and building his/her investment portfolio).


I mostly agree with this part.


I would agree with you if you were talking about bitcoin in the above statement, but since you used that vague-ass term "crypto" who knows what the fuck you are talking about?  There are a lot of shitcoins out there, and it is a much better practice to make it clear if you are talking about bitcoin versus some shitcoin and if you are recommending to get involved in some specific shitcoin, then maybe you should mention which one or which ones, but that surely would be messy to mention any specific shiticoin(s), so many times members try to act like they are smart so they refer to everything as "crypto," including lumping bitcoin into the mix as if it were similar or an equal, and as if they are even saying anything meaningful by using the vague-ass, meaningless, and misleading term "crypto," except maybe they are showing that they do not understand bitcoin enough in order to distinguish it (and/or their ideas about bitcoin and the space) from shitcoins.


Even though you hedged your statement by saying "perhaps," your statement is still dumb as fuck.

Long term investing does not apply to "the top 10" and it ONLY applies to bitcoin, and not because it is "in the top 10," but instead because bitcoin is a paradigm-shifting technology that innovates the concept of scarcity in the digital space by solving the Byzantine General's problem and it incorporates various forms of incentives through proof of work. that also builds several networking effects on top of it, and just because various shitcoins try to act like they are doing similar things, they are not. .so they are just riding on bitcoin's success and likely ongoing success.

  Do you mean you don't know anything about Bitcoin or crypto trading? because, if yes, there is no need to find another person just to teach you trading knowledge. There are so many ways for you to learn here. Because if you insist on what you want to happen, you might be ruined because of your lack of knowledge. There are still many exploitative people in this crypto industry.

So please be careful; just read on this platform, and for sure you will get ideas and knowledge no matter where you start in the crypto space.

Now may not be the days that you can earn bitcoins by completing small tasks. In the beginning it was possible to earn bitcoins. Now if you want to earn bitcoins you need to develop your skills and then work on various projects or investments in different ways.

For anyone to really earn bitcoin presently then he/she must have a job that pays him/ her monthly or weekly or s/he can be an entrepreneur or something but at least he or she must have a means of earnings, if anyone considers Bitcoin to be a means of earnings then he or she is making a mistake that can cost alot of damages in his/her financial careers, considering Bitcoin as a means of earnings as the OP wishes is more like gambling which equally means trading. And trading is a very risky and never advisable to any newbie or intermediate because it is either you loss or you win.
The concept of Bitcoin is not a get rich quick scheme so anyone venturing into Bitcoin must be patient enough to buy and hodl for a long time. That is why you must have something that at least can fit your bills for you to stay in Bitcoin, hence while earning one can accumulate true different methods like Dollar cost averaging (DCA) etc.

Yep, obviously, mate, you say it rightly that only Bitcoin is appropriate for long-term investment. Recently, I did post about it, saying that only one thing is appropriate in terms of long-term investment. Apart from this, all other crypto assets are not so reliable to be trusted. Even though it is called a shitcoin, according to you, we recently saw a very big and authentic coin, Tera Luna, who cheated people and stole money. Honestly, after this incident, I don't trust any coin for investment except Bitcoin. It was a godsend that Satoshi Nakamoto gave us something that has a 0% chance of cheating. Bitcoin is a sustainable thing; the rest of the coins are only good for a short period of time, and that too in terms of trading and investment.

I will also advice you to get your self a source of income, do not just conclude now that you can make earnings from bitcoin so fast that you will be able to depend on it. If you think bitcoin can make you to become rich so quick I think it is another kind of gambling you are just depending  on. Their good benefits you can gain from bitcoin but I would not advice you to make it all your priority at this early stage of your journey. The market of bitcoin is unpredictable because of volatility and this should not be what people needs to put all their hopes on to make money from it by all means.

Sources of income from other sectors are also still important for everyone, although we must not forget that Bitcoin can also provide a source of income at a certain time, because Bitcoin holders will be more comfortable when they have other sources of income apart from Bitcoin. In fact, this can make them continue to be consistent in Bitcoin because they don't need to rely entirely on Bitcoin just for their survival, so other sources of income still have to be considered for everyone even though they have earned more income through Bitcoin so far.

With the way Bitcoin is now looked at, it's seems it's all just for buying and holding and not for any use of it because no one actually wants to sell off their coins but instead hold if for more profits in the future especially now that the halving and bull season is very near. But if you are planning on having a successful Bitcoin investment then I think multiple choice of income or money inflow would probably be the best option for achieving your goal to avoid tempering with your coins.

As I said, even if you're a long-time holder but have never traded before, you're still new and don't have any experience when it comes to trading. To gain experience, you need to try trading, and that's why I usually don't prevent newbies if they want to start trading. You need experience to accumulate experience, no one can accumulate knowledge and experience without participating.

I recommend everyone to start with a demo account to get familiar with the trading environment. But I also advise people not to overdo it because demo account trading and real trading are very different. Many people who trade with a demo account always win, but when they start with a real account, they fail miserably.

I agree and disagree.
I agree with a way of gaining experience by trading. Preventing newbies if they want to start trading will only result to decline their confidence. But prior to do trading, you should learn basic knowledge about trading.

I disagree with the demo account. You won't always win with a demo account, that's why it's a demo, you can try and experiment different methods and finding the best strategy for you. At first, you may fail on actual trading because they might felt differently, but the more you get exposed to trading, you will get in line.

Welcome to this forum, you said at the beginning that you want to know a lot about Bitcoin, your interest to know about Bitcoin will help you to know a lot. Here you want to know about trading and investing as well as tips on how to stay away from gambling. First of all, trading or investment is a very important subject, so before trading or investing, there is a need to study a lot about these two subjects. There are several topics about trading and investment in Bitcoin discussion section and trading discussion section. You should read those topics first and read the replies made in those topics. I hope you will have a good idea about investment and trading. Secondly, staying away from gambling is not a very difficult task, if you are satisfied with these activities and the competition of gambling is never interested, then you can definitely stay away from gambling.

Bitcoin can bring us big profits but that doesn't mean we don't need other sources of income. Bitcoin does not provide us with a stable source of income, so it would be unwise to think and rely entirely on bitcoin to have a stable life. For me, investing in bitcoin is really important for our future but daily income from main job will be more important. Because if we don't have daily income from our main job, where will we get the money to invest in bitcoin? Furthermore, methods of making money from the market such as trading and staking are risky and cannot be compared to outside jobs.

As a newbie is this your goal here, I asked because I think the first thing you need to do here as a newcomer is to learn more about bitcoin and crypto in general may be with the knowledge you get here you mat find it easy to adapt here and fit in where you really want to be, op, no doubt one can benefit from Bitcoin investment but first of all you should have a means that that can earn from, don't solely depend on Bitcoin alone, instead you should look for something doing earn their and invest what you can afford in the said bitcoin, and again no one will ever tell you that the depend on gambling, the question is, is gambling a career, to me is not, having the mindset of earning quick money from it, even fail most times, so if am to advice you, I will say that you should set your achievable goals, make them your priority, I believe in the long run they will become reality.

I don't completely disagree with you, and you seem to be pointing out one of the reasons why trading is such a bad idea, unless maybe it is built upon investing first.  So what I am suggesting would be to first build up a bitcoin position and then that will inform you better how to play your position.  Yeah, people want short term profits, but it seems that if the BTC price is going down and you are buying BTC, then you just keep buying...and it could take some time before you get into profits in such a way that you are able to trade.. so I guess I am not even considering short-term trading but instead how to play BIGGER swings after you have already built your bitcoin position and then you have strategies to never lose your principle... which surely is one of the issues with any short-term traders.. they put their principle at risk and you say that it is inevitable that they lose, but there are ways to play it so that you do not end up losing, as long as bitcoin keeps going up, and even though that is not guaranteed, it has been a pretty damned great thing to be mostly "in" rather than fucking around with trading it, as if it were a shitcoin...

Now shitcoins are another story.... seem very risky to hold, so surely there are needs for in and out plans, and personally, I believe it is a BIG waste of time to get involved in shitcoins, even if yyou might be able to make money off of them, but people have differing ways of thinking about how they approach bitcoin as compared with other things in the space.. including but not limited to shitcoins.

If you want to shine well in bitcoin then my advice is not to touch trading.
Although we are free to do whatever we want here because this is the right we have but in the end you besides learning about bitcoin you also have to learn about risk management.
Trading the risk is quite large especially for those beginners so instead of us feeling burdened with what we are doing and instead spending the money you have by learning trading then it would be better if you start with Investment.

Even though investing in bitcoin also has risks but in the end this is better than pushing your luck in trading because at least when you are in investment then your risk of losing will be slightly minimized.

If there's an admission that you can't control yourself in gambling and whether you're a good earner, that's a bad situation that you need to consider.

Because even if you do good as a Bitcoin investor or you've managed to earn a decent amount of Bitcoin from your gigs and yet there's the uncontrollable activity you have as a gambler. It's very likely that all of your earnings will be gone.

What you need to do is to is to think that everything can be done for you to earn Bitcoin. Even your salary in local currencies or USD can be converted into Bitcoin.

It’s a good move that you want to stop casino and gambling games and put that focus on trading. But like some persons have already said, trading isn’t an easy thing. You have to learn through some strategies and methods to execute profitable trades. But then, how about you simply convert the money you would have used for gambling but into Bitcoin? Maybe every weekend, you use the money to buy BTC. That’s also a good investment too.

Definity get into BTC but don't just jump right in. First and foremost learn about BTC how it works and how its stored.

Learn about the ins and outs the history and the future about bitcoin before putting all you have into it. Also do stay away from gambling and casinos they are no good for you, you indeed are better off with bitcoin instead of those two bad things.
 

I can't claim to be an expert in this field, but I believe I know a little bit about Bitcoin and trading. It is simple to comprehend or comprehend what Bitcoin is.

But learning and comprehending crypto trading is not easy; it demands dedication, drive, willpower, self-control, and discipline, and, most importantly, a passion for it. If you have all of the things I listed, everything will be easy for you since you will understand them right away.

We are even doubtful when you are successful in bitcoin can stay away from gambling because at this time you don't have a lot of money difficult to stay away from gambling, especially if you already have a lot of money from the investment results that you run in Bitcoin. In principle, I agree when you have a great desire to learn investment in Bitcoin because this is a way to get financial improvement, but on the other hand I don't believe you be able to get out of gambling when successful in Bitcoin. You must first strengthen yourself in reducing gambling activities and I don't think you have to do with you success in Bitcoin by leaving gambling.

These are two different activities that can be carried out together and who are able to leave one of them only your own intentions and determination. I hope you succeed in Bitcoin and do not make gambling as an excuse because we are all involved in gambling even though we have not succeeded in Bitcoin, but what distinguishes the extent to which we can be responsible for both and if one of them can give a negative effect then leave and take investment as a good way.

He or some newbie should not rush to touch trading from the beginning but start investing as you said. But if you think that trading is just about losing or it's just a game of chance then I don't agree with you. I'm also not good at trading but I also make profits from spot trading and that helps me increase my capital significantly.

Trading carries huge risks but that doesn't mean it can't be profitable and everyone loses without a winner. Many people are also making money from it and there are always ways to make money from it. What's important is how we approach it, knowledge, skills, experience...as long as we are determined, we can do it.

You are still a newbie so I will advise you to just buy bitcoin first, don't do any trading yet. Learn more about trading first in the Trading Discussion (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=8.0), you can read all the threads that you find interesting there and check the replies of different users on the thread, you can also post your own topic there that's related to trading but you have to be careful as some questions or topics are already created by other users so do some searching on the top right search bar on the topic that you want to talk about to see if there's an answer to your questions or a discussion has been done already about it. Also, you don't have to worry about earning with bitcoin as a newbie, bitcoin is an currency/investment so you can't exactly make money out of bitcoin besides selling it at a higher price than you've bought it.

You have many options. Like if you want to earn from trading so you should learn fundamentals and learn how to read the chart. And you can take a part in the Trading discussion board and can ask more about trading. When you learn and you want to invest so start with small amount and if you think you are now ready and learnt much so you can invest more.

On the other hand mining is the second option if you want to earn so you should set a mining setup. But now a days Bitcoin mining has many difficulties. And if you want to learn more about mining so you can learn from Mining board.

Third option you should grow your account and try to make constructive posts and try to get more merits and up your rank. When you reach the Full Member rank so in the Services board you can join a campaign and you can get Bitcoin on weekly basis.

So these are some options, select according to your mind.

If you want to have bitcoin so you can hold it before the bitcoin halving comes, the first thing you should do is have a source of income. There are other ways you can have it.

And one of the ways to earn Bitcoin is to have a job. Second,  if you don't have a job, at least you have a side business or at least an online job, even if it's only part-time. Or if you have any skills, you can use them here in the forum, such as graphics design, translation, and others, or you can also participate in bounty airdrops as long as they are legitimate.

Your advice is good and I can't even believe that anyone would say they want to rely on Bitcoin alone simply because is capable of earn them money. What if anything unforeseen happens? Even though Bitcoin and its investment are good, one still has to be careful and not rely on it solely, there are times that Bitcoin would have a long-term bearish trend and that could span for years. And as we all know, it's Bitcoin investment that is easy, you can be sure of earnings when you merely HODL it even as you do nothing.

But trading Bitcoin which traders rely upon when the price of the coin is falling is not easy, which is why no one should even dare to believe they can rely on Bitcoin for their only earning means, such action could be bitterly regretted. Come to think of it, I can't for any reason think about that as an able-bodied person, such speaks of laziness, but we see much of it these days where even youths wouldn't want to work but just be spending money. If the source now cut, they become desperate and result in all sorts of bad activities. So, no right-thinking person would rely on investment alone, such a person would work to be active and build a career rather than believing they would sit down always and the money would continue to flow forever.

We all know Bitcoin is being known with this kind of information. Expecting Bitcoin to be the alternative way to earn passive money and suddenly become successful in life without knowing its real use. Especially newbies, they come and ask for advice, on how to trade, how to invest, how to earn without money, and then make a rush to learn about Bitcoin as they only know it as this is a kind of job where they can earn and disregard any other source of income. They are yet to understand the importance of having a stable source of income than relying solely on Bitcoin.

Everyone can make their own choices, can trade or invest, but if we are still new to Bitcoin and don't understand it well, it would be better for us not to trade because the risk of losing the assets we own is very likely to result in losses in trading, however It will be very different from investing. We can do this by setting aside some of the income we have so that we can invest consistently to get a profit.

Trading is still one of the ways we can make huge profits from the market which is completely different from just holding.
Those that are trading in the market tend to make lots of profits from the market if they know how to strategize and utilize strong working strategies to check what price will tend to do or go. We can also make profits from just holding cryptocurrency just like Bitcoin or altcoins that have the potential to do so. We should plan for the best rather than just being a crypto enthusiastic without holding.

  This is very important, if you have to trade it is best to go learn grab the knowledge and concept of trading first before beginning the journey. This is why we have demo account you can practice using the demo account while still doing your own research in finding better way to understand. Learn a strategy of analyzing and stick to it. This will boost you confidence and trust in taking any trade. You wouldn’t even need to wait for signals from any broker or specialist after all this people are just mere human and are prone to mistakes too. Its best you have your own strategy of trading this will improve your trading skill.
   Trading requires consistency to be able to master the craft of trading you need to be consistent. You don’t need much strategy to invest, with just getting the right information and timing you can invest in any crypto project. Investing requires proper and authentic information. Capital is also a keen tool to consider while investing, but then one need to be responsible and not just putting his eggs in one basket.

Doesnt matter whether we are talking about Bitcoin or not, as long we do make money then this is where people would flock in and wont really be minding about real use case or whatsoever because people would really be that normally be having that kind of approach when it comes to money making. Lets accept to the fact that people would really be that interested on knowing crypto just because of the money making
opportunity that it gives rather than on minding or knowing about its utility on which even myself had put my foot into this market when im still a noob just because i was really that interested on making money wayback where airdrops and faucet things are that popular into those old years on which it do really falls down into the criteria that you are really that interested on making money.
Who doesnt really want to earn money? For sure it is really that the main catalyst on where most people here on crypto space might had really start up.

Doesnt matter which kind of motive or treatment you do have, sooner or later you would really be able to learn up those basics and would really be that able to realize those utility
but still it would really be just that ending up on your second priority because what matter the most is that you could really be able to make money which is something
that someone would really be that focusing into which it isnt really that shocking imho.

As I said earlier Risk management is important so even though we are free to do whatever we want with our money but at the end of the day we must also realize that there has to be something to achieve as a goal and beginners trading with or without proper learning will only get them into trouble and will feel cheated in the end.
Trading is for everyone but everyone will not profit from trading because in any case trading is actually much more difficult than imagined so instead of doing something that we cannot travel for now it would be better to do it with something that the risks are more minimized namely investment.
Not that we should not trade but we have to learn well first starting from scratch and it is not a short time to master it.

That's what I mean because after all Investment will be better for them beginners even though maybe the benefits we get have to wait longer but I think it doesn't matter as long as you are comfortable doing it and without any coercion investment is the best choice for beginners.
But indeed for the thinking of beginners sometimes they only see about the benefits achieved and do not realize that this is not an instant thing so it is necessary to keep reminding that trading will sometimes be hell for those beginners who just know about bitcoin.

Trading strategies are based on two points: knowledge and eXperience. Knowledge is easy; you can get it from every source where it is taught. But the main point that not every person can take is experience; it is also taught, but you cannot take it until you are involved in it with physical or mental strength.

And when it comes to experience, you can't get a degree of experience until you take it yourself, and to get it, you need not only theorietical knowledge but practical knowledge as well. So then you can go and become an experienced holder. So the meaning of the saying is that theory is understandable in trading but not practical. So if a demo is used to get practical (Experience) then it is better for newbies to interact with it.

And there can be no better experience than a demo. The experience of the demo refers to the terminology, not practically, because the demo is an imaginary virtual status. While the real market differs from this.

As I said, I agree with you that newbies should limit or not participate in trading. But they can also start when they already have knowledge and experience in the market. And you are also right that investing is safer than trading, but if you say that trading is a game of chance or that there will only be losing and losing with no winners, I disagree.

Trading or investing are both methods that can help us make money in this market. Depending on each person's preferences, they will choose the appropriate method for themselves. Or like me, I choose both to optimize my profits in the short and long term.

Demo will make you appear like a pro, intact almost everyone is a pro in demo until they face reality with real capital. If I'm advising a new trader, I will only recommend demo trading for anyone who want to master the trading environment and not someone who want to build a strategy. Building a strategy with demo is deceptive because there are other factors that comes into play with live account that you will never see in demo.

I strongly recommend depositing small amount like $10 for anyone who want to build a strategy, this will do you more good than demo at least your money is involved.

The biggest difference I see between a demo account and a real account is emotions, and emotions are the most important factor in trading. When using a demo account, people will be subjective because everyone is aware that it is not real money and if they do it wrong, they will not lose anything. But when using a real account, they will feel nervous so they will make indecisive decisions unlike when experiencing using a demo account. That's why I say don't abuse the demo account, it's just to get used to the trading environment, not a place to learn skills and experience.

The idea of starting with a real account with minimal capital is a better idea than using a demo account.

I can attest to this as a pure truth, demo is somewhat easy to predict and win, I mean to place trade and get profit easily on demo account than real trade, just imagine I made $2k from the $10k given to me as a practice demo account as a beginner, I thought that's how trading crypto seems easy but the case is far more different from the real crypto trading. Consistently learning from an expert and putting into practice is the major key to be successful crypto trading, it takes time but the wait is truly benefiting.

You are new to Bitcoin and have a lot to learn. You need to spend enough time here to learn a lot. But I want to tell you since you know very little about bitcoin then you need to know about bitcoin first then you need to analyze trading and marketing. If you think trading is easy then I say you are totally wrong. But I want to give you a simple suggestion, since you want to earn easy money from here stay in bitcoin forum and join signature campaign by qualifying by posting nice posts. If you qualify for at least full membership you will receive a weekly salary that will not come from your trading and marketing. As a result, you can earn risk-free money.

Of course, people can do whatever they want and the should do whatever they want, yet at the same time, a lot of people are lured into trading as if that is the default, when it surely is not anything close to a default, and frequently it is going to be better to spend some time building a position in bitcoin with various forms of buying, and perhaps study bitcoin for a while to figure out the extent that it might be helpful to risk any BTC on trading..

At the same time, if we are referring to shitcoins, then they already don't have any kind of presumptive long term value, so they are kind of tradable by default, but bitcoin is not tradable by default, especially since it is likely amongst the best assets ever known to man (if not the best), so there should be some caution when fucking around by selling bitcoin with a plan to buy more at cheaper prices, when it is way safer (and probably even smarter for more than 80% of the people to default by buying BTC regularly, building a position prior to even considering entering into trading.. which may or may not devolve into gambling depending on how much they might learn how to create positions that are hedged and/or not really gambling but preparing for either price direction rather than focusing on ONLY 1 price direction, even if it seems that the odds are "on your side" blah blah blah.


Exactly, there is nothing like putting real money at stake in order to really attempt to understand and to meaningfully involve oneself in trading.  If the amount is small enough then it may not really matter so much that the person is starting out in bitcoin by trading.. but if a person has $10 come available every week, then it may well be better to supplement any trading (practicing) strategy with ongoing and continuous building of a bitcoin portfolio holdings, and then may well end up having a relatively small amount of BTC (perhaps way less than 10% of the size/value of the BTC holdings involved in trading, even if maybe in the very begging .. just 1% or 2%, and each person has to figure out these kinds of thresholds in terms of his/her total financial/psychological situation).

Bitcoin is a digital assets which is trading in difference cryptocurrency market and the only way to earn high in Bitcoin is to involve in the trading or invest when the price of Bitcoin went down and sell when it is appreciated. In other words you can earn Bitcoin through mining platform but is very low and required work to do enable to earn more.

What you are saying Magic-Money is not true.

There are ways to structure investing into bitcoin that likely would be way more profitable than either trading or getting involved in shitcoins, and more or less the longer that you have been investing into bitcoin and if you have been mostly erroring on the side of accumulating more bitcoin and holding, then you have really great chances to have had outperformed anyone who had been fucking around with trading.

Maybe you don't know very much since you have only been on the forum for a bit more than a year, yet anyone who continues to invest in bitcoin has done quite well, even with relatively small amounts, if s/he may have been investing 4-10 years or more, and surely frequently there will be some variations regarding how aggressively anyone is able to invest into bitcoin and also if they are able to get  their finances and their psychology in order in such a way that they can be relatively aggressive in their bitcoin investing but not to devolve into gambling practices and/or trading practices, and anyone who starts to trade prior to first spending a decent amount of time building an investment portfolio that is mostly prioritizing BTC, is likely not going to be making as much progrtess as the one who consistently buys BTC and stays focused.

Of course, it is possible that some seemingly newbies may well come to bitcoin and they already have a pretty decent sized investment portfolio, so those kinds of people might be able to progress to trading earlier than the newbie investor - but frequently trading is not really the preferable route, especially if the goals might be to accumulate bitcoin and to get to a certainly good sized stash of bitcoin.. .in other words, most people will not do very well if they mix their practices in terms of selling in order to buy more bitcoin, and it is likely better to just consistently buy BTC in order to both stay in the right mindset and also to make sure that fewer risks are being taken that might end up screwing up a persons ongoing inclinations to buy, even if his/her average price per BTC might be higher than another person who might have come to bitcoin and who got lucky with some bitcoin buys at lower prices.

Now in the digital era, it is not surprising that there are people who want easy income by investing in BTC, BTC investment or BTC trading is a proven method that can generate profits. However, in my opinion, if you want income only relying on Bitcoin, in my opinion it is not appropriate and it is more accurate to just make BTC a side business.

but of course it is not impossible to make a profit from bitcoin and continue to be consistent, because I am also someone who likes trading in BTC and investing in BTC, but of course it is not an easy thing because everything requires a process. So if you are interested in what you want, of course there is no problem as long as you have to continue to learn and try your best and of course you have to be able to accept the risks posed by Bitcoin.

you are in the right forum to ask questions and discussions, you should continue to learn and it could also be a first step. You can use small money first, for example $20 and you will feel a different sensation when you trade on BTC.

If you bluntly ask people to help you earn money then all you will get is scammers approaching you to milk money out of you.
If you really want to stay in the community and learn about bitcoin then all you need to do is keep reading through out the forum.
You will automatically get the lead and find yourself in the way. You will know yourself how you want to proceed further.
Once you know enough you will be able to find ways to earn money with bitcoin.
For starters, start with reading mastering bitcoin and follow technical discussion threads on this forum and keep exploring how everthing works.

I will advice you to learn more about BTC before going into trading because, there are many people that loss a lot of money in their BTC trading because they see BTC trading as something someone can just start today and start making a good profits from it. Once you have the knowledge of BTC, you can start with little capital when the price is low in the market and watch when the price will increase higher for the bull run to continue before you can sell to make a good profits that will make you believe more on BTC than other investment.

Ensure you are patience with your hodling because, there are many hodlers who are not comfortable with their hodling based on what they heard on social media that will make them to rush to sell , and see the price of BTC continue increasing for them to feel bad about their decision they took.

I understand the risks in trading. Trading is certainly no safer than buying and holding bitcoin for long periods of time. But what I just want to say here is that anyone with knowledge and skills can make money from trading. It is not purely gambling or a game of chance.


I think we should not talk about shitcoin because it is gambling, not investment, shitcoin is only used for short-term speculation for those who like the roller coaster feeling.

I also oppose the idea of selling bitcoin and waiting to buy more at a cheaper price. We need to allocate capital properly, only buy more for a long-term investment portfolio, and absolutely not increase bitcoin by selling at a high price and waiting for the price to decrease to buy, that is very risky. Buy low and sell high should only be used in a trading portfolio, and the two portfolios of investing and trading should be completely separate.

Yes, if you want to get involved in this industry, don't be too innocent because you will become food for fraudsters who pretend to have good intentions to help you because you need expert help. And if it's the wrong person then you will experience losses, you should be careful.
And now you are in the right place, but you still have to be careful. And I think this forum is the best for learning about Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies, and the most important thing is that you want to read and read it well so you can understand the contents of these words. And if you have any questions, you can ask them too and you'll find lots of great answers to consider. Because in my opinion trading is not an easy job, so you have to prepare sufficient understanding, knowledge and so on related to trading.
And my advice, investing is much better than trading for beginners, and once you master investing and making profits, you can also try trading, if you want.
And we all want to give you the best because you are a beginner, but the decision is in your own hands

If you are truly interested and willing to invest and learn then best not just to ask people
here instead you should enroll in some online classes that will provide you coaches , yeah you must pay but you
will earn easily and worthful.im not saying that you should not trust people in bitcointalk but there are lot of
here that will advise you with no value at all so better seek help from crypto experts.

Yup, also you will learn more based on your experiences. There's a lot of easiest way to learn about bitcoin and crypto, You can do self study via watching vlogs in youtube, they will teach you the basic and entry level information about bitcoin and if you want to gain deeper knowledge and you have a means to spend, enroll yourself since there's a lot of online courses about investment, crypto, and overall financial management related. One thing that helps me to become knowledgeable in bitcoin is by the help of skilled and pioneer colleagues here in forum.

This forum has a lot of good discussions about Bitcoin investment so if a member is interested in knowing about investment then he can definitely learn about investing through this forum. If a topic related to investment or bitcoin is created here, others don't comment there, but not like that, but all the topics created here about bitcoin or investment are well replied. Here the forum members must know about certain things and then someone will tell you but here no comments are made without knowing anything. And you think online classes are good for learning about investing but very few people can do that bad by taking online classes whether it is about investing or anything else. First you have to have your own interest and then you have to keep trying to get a good idea about investing if possible.

There is a lot of useful knowledge on the forum for newcomers as well as those who have been participating in the market for a long time. Just spend some time searching and learning, we will have all the necessary knowledge to start our investment journey.

Here we can study for free and receive help from many people, why do we have to spend money to register for online learning? Meanwhile, they also teach us knowledge that can be easily found here or on the internet. Knowledge about bitcoin is not too difficult to find, it's just that we are too lazy and just want someone to help us make money quickly.

This forum is actually complete, we want to seek any knowledge, as long as we are willing to learn from this forum. starting from trading to investing, from old coins to potential new coins, and after that we can learn to develop ourselves so that we have better knowledge according to our characteristics, so that we will be comfortable in doing business in the crypto world

You basically bet on online betting sites. You have thoughts in your head that you want to earn money fast. Investing in Bitcoin or any other cryptocurrency should only be considered after gaining a comprehensive understanding. Some investors may prefer stability and long-term holdings, while others may lean more towards potential profits and the excitement of trading. Whichever method you choose, it's important to be aware of market trends. It is also important to manage your risk effectively and not invest more than you can afford to lose. Both holding and trading in the cryptocurrency market can be profitable, but success ultimately depends on educated decision-making and a clear understanding of market dynamics.

I think the aim of the Op is to get a profit from investing in BTC, I think it's a bit hasty and I think if re not an expert, if  not an expert, could potentially get fomo because the price of BTC always increases from time to time, but in this case of course everyone has a different response. It's different and I agree with your opinion that investing in BTC is certainly safer, but even though the amount invested is small, if it's for the long term, I think there's a big potential to make a profit. I think using the DCA system and buying every time there's a downturn is a good step.

I agree with you and it is better to collect BTC consistently using the DCA system and that way the mind will be calm and peaceful. but op seems to still be a beginner and I'm sure op will understand about BTC if he dares to ask in this forum because in my experience this forum is very good and has many benefits.

and also trading is more risky than Holding (of course when you are with bitcoin it is safest)

there are many talking about keeping your funds on hold for long term(as in very long term) but for me as what and how the market is showing us? better to sell when there is a Bull market and Buy once the bear comes.
in this you will keep making your finds Higher in value long term.

The key to success anywhere cannot be separated from the learning we undergo and the more things we learn, the better the knowledge we gain. Discussion-based forum and there are many things we can learn here, it's just that we need to filter them into consideration when deciding something. Discussions about trading and investment have been going on for a long time on this forum and when they intend to learn, take a little time to read and study it so that their knowledge will increase.

I also learned a lot of things on this forum and used to be very unfamiliar with cryptocurrency, but I was lucky to get to know this forum so I could learn a lot about investing, trading and other things. The internet is so widespread now and there are many places we can learn about trading and investing depending on whether we want to learn or not.

If there is no good knowledge about trading then there is a risk because many people do not understand the signals of when a currency will go up and down. It is better to invest in bitcoins here the risk is less and if you hold it for long term you can get good profit. Trading is very risk prone. Apart from your trading skills your overall financial condition your market analysis estimated profit making needs and other surrounding conditions are also involved here.

I am not sure why you feel it is necessary to make such a distinction.  If we stick with bitcoin in regards to this discussion, then we may well reasonably come to an assessment that bitcoin is amongst the best of assets in which we can currently invest (if NOT the best), so if we know that bitcoin is a good investment, then why fuck around with trading it, even if we think that we know which way the price might go in the short term. 

So sure, there are likely skills that people can develop both in terms of providing higher than 50/50 probabilities that you know which way the BTC price going to go in the short term, and also there could be techniques to hedge both sides, so that if you make a bet in a certain direction, then you are able to still recover (and perhaps not lose as much) by taking the other side of the bet, but still if bitcoin remains such a great asymmetric bet to the upside, then why fuck around with trying to trade it instead of merely going long with it, and sticking with long. There should be no reason to persuade people that there are ways in which they can increase their odds in trading in order that they have slightly better than 50/50 so therefore it is not gambling. blah blah blah.


If you are going to fuck around with trading, then it seems much better to be doing it with relatively worthless assets rather than something that is likely so valuable and so much of an asymmetric bet as bitcoin.
 

I don't really disagree with anything that you are saying here, except that if someone may have spent years accumulating bitcoin, there may well start to be strategies regarding various points of selling.. and there is no need to even expect that the BTC price will come back down, and so for example, if someone is selling around 10% of the value of his/her stash every time it doubles, then that would not be a bad strategy, and maybe the first time selling is more than a doubling (and needing to be in profits, too).. or to start to measure from the cost of the BTC, so the first doubling would mean that half of the value of the BTC is in profits and the other half is principle, but if the BTC price doubles again, then only 1/4 of the stash would constitute the value of the principle.


It is not easy to be self-directed in your learning, and sometimes there are needs for foundational instructions and/or courses to help normies to learn how to learn and to put those kinds of learning how to learn ideas into practice, since practice is also a very good way to learn, but frequently will be needs to figure out some of the theoretical ideas surrounding practices, which is not ONLY curiosity about the practice but frequently needing find other sources and different perspectives - and many times books will have had gone through ideas much more thoroughly than any of our somewhat spontaneous posts in the forum.

Another difficult thing to put into practice is "critical thinking," and sometimes normies will believe that they understand critical thinking because they happen to be critical in their thinking about of all (or most) things, but then sometimes even those people might not be able to see that some ideas are better than others, and sometimes they might devolve into too much black and white thinking.. and/or inabilities to analyze the other side, to the extent that the other side is even worthy of analyzing.

Sometimes also in the guise of "critical thinking" someone might be exploring a variety of shitcoins and perhaps giving shitcoins benefits of the doubt when they do not deserve any benefit of the doubt.  Sure, there might be some possibilities that some shitcoins might be adding some value, but it the person does not adequately understand how bitcoin is distinguishable, then they might not be analyzing the shitcoin (to the extent that it warrants any analysis) with some faulty framings and therefore not as much "critical thinking" as they might have concluded that they are employing in how they choose to spend their time, their energies and sometimes their monetary value.  There are ways to employ critical thinking without necessarily being dogmatic and/or overly exclusive, but there are also balancing considerations regarding how much time, energy and or money that any of us might have to deploy or partially deploy into shitcoins versus the amount that we may well choose to deploy into bitcoin.. which is also a balancing matter if many folks are not able to spend large amounts of time studying bitcoin and they may well need to earn money in order to be able to eat and also perhaps develop some of their other skills in life, whether it is work related or even considering non-work related values that people might have around family (relationships), spirituality, hobbies and/or other things going on in their life that they are needing to balance..


It is really difficult to determine how long any one should engage in pure DCA and/or building of his/her BTC stack prior to considering trading any of it, and for example, if someone were to have had lump sum invested into bitcoin like around $1k (or surely maybe even higher amounts) at around $27k/$28k in September, and then maybe continued to buy around $20 per week of bitcoin in the past 10-12 weeks, and so then when BTC prices are around $37k, there can be some dilemmas about how to manage that, and some folks might consider shaving off a bit of the profits, but other folks might consider that they are into bitcoin for the long term, and they are not necessarily going to start shaving off bitcoin prior to reaching a certain level of accumulation.. maybe they want 0.5 BTC and/or $50k worth of BTC value before they start to shave any off.. and they also might want to be at least a minimum of 100% of profits, so they might have a couple of criteria that need to be met prior to starting to trade, and sure they could have lower thresholds of profits and/or BTC accumulation levels, but I have my doubts that it is a very good practice to sell BTC and to be expecting the BTC price to drop, but if they might well get to certain levels of BTC accumulation and certain levels of profits, they might not be so concerned about if they sell a little and the price does not end up correcting back down.. for example selling around 10% of the BTC every time the BTC price doubles... or some kind of criteria like that.


There surely can be problems of selling high and buying low if you have not otherwise, figured out your BTC accumulation goals, but sure everyone is free to do what they want in terms of trying to sell high and buy low and many times it becomes more problematic when these guys are playing with large portions of their BTC stash in those kinds of ways, rather than relatively smaller portions of their stash, just in case the BTC price does not end up coming back down sufficiently to justify buying back some or all of what had been sold.

I found out on X.com that it is quite laughable for me because it is about trading that does not have expertise.

You can see it here: https://twitter.com/naiivememe/status/1728722238193717522

Investing is indeed much better and less risky to lose unless he doesn't sell it, the important thing is to have fundamentals, patience and discipline in managing the money spent on bitcoin, I also invest rather than trading even though everyone is always different in their choices but it's up to them who will definitely recommend investing a lot even though the results take a long time.

Although investing is not as difficult as trading, those traders that we have now that are still making success in their trade also started as newbies; they got into the system, saw how it was, and adapted and developed some personal strategies to win in the market. Despite their losses too, they became persistent and put in more relentless effort just to win in the trading market, and today, if you look at them, they are not as bad as when they started. Trading is not bad; as a trader, trading doesn't limit you from also having some money invested in Bitcoin, which you will just have in your portfolio for holding. As a wise trader and Bitcoiner, you should also have some Bitcoin in your holding wallet, despite the fact that you are trading with some funds too.

There are ways you can do something good for yourself and the future you dream of. The things you think of doing would take time for you to accomplish and master them. Bitcoin and trading is not something you would dive into without being experienced on how it is.
Bitcoin investment and its trading is entirely different from casino and gambling games. They are all far different from each other.

Bitcoin investment requires basic knowledge, and patient as you hodl onto it while trading requires one to master it before engaging in it. And the two others(casino and gambling games) are for fun and someone shouldn't depend on it to make money out of it.

You leaving the casino and switching to Bitcoin is a matter of choice. Remember that, dude. If you really want to learn what the real concept of bitcoin is, you will find a way to learn it yourself and how to have it. And everything the community has to say on this platform depends only on you if you believe it, because it's different if you do your own research on Bitcoin.

There is no other community here that will teach you. Almost all the people on this platform have their own methods and strategies for how they learn and understand Bitcoin, and they also differ in the percentage of determination, dedication, and passion they have for how important it is to each other.

It is true that investing requires patience and results take time but investing is less risky than trading. There are many new members who trade and end up losing everything because they don't understand the trading signals. But bitcoin investment is very profitable even if you have to wait patiently. Trading requires a lot of skill not everyone can do trading but if you have the ability everyone can invest in bitcoin. There is no risk of losing you just have to wait for a long time.

Trading is not recommended for beginners, but when you say that, some beginners may feel that you don't want to teach them. Instead, you should discuss how to learn about bitcoin instead of trading as a beginner. This will help you understand why it is advised that beginners avoid trading, even though it is still a viable means of making money. It would be beneficial for you to learn more about bitcoin, bro, and if you do, you will thank those who are advising you to do so. People who trade are capable of doing so, and I believe that as a novice, you have not the mindset to lose the little money you have.

You can learn a lot about bitcoin, and this could be considered as a good piece of advice, however, even after understanding some key features of bitcoin you will still be a beginner in trading. Because the only way to stop being a beginner and become more experienced is to actually trade. That is why I don't agree that trading is not recommended for beginners. Every trader was a beginner once. But you can remain a beginner, or you can practice and get rid of this status.

Trading is not for beginners; that doesn’t mean beginners cannot trade. What that sentence means is that beginners who don’t understand how trading works, both the fundamentals and the technical skills of trading, should not trade since trading has a higher risk than investment, so that is why people say they shouldn’t trade. They should use that money to invest in bitcoin. Since bitcoin investment can be learned in a short period of time, When they acquire the knowledge of trading, they can start their trading journey. You can also be a beginner and still have the knowledge when you start trading and eventually find it easy and start making money out of it. That is when people will stop calling you a beginner. For example, if someone who has knowledge of bitcoin creates a new account in this forum, you can see that such a person came with the knowledge but is still a newbie in the forum.

What you should concentrate on as a Newbie is to learn the rules and regulations of the forum first and also follow the methods of people who share their trading experience in a trade section and also observe other people comments concerning bitcoin and it's development, so I believe that when you pay attention in the forum you learn and understand what you wish to acquire in the forum, sometimes some people venture into both bitcoin investment and trading without passing through to learn the basic rudiments of them, so therefore I believe that bitcoin investment have to do with observation and precautions even the trading as well.i don't want portray any point towards gambling because it's something you can acquire the basic concepts of how it operates with short minutes.

IMO i dont you're wrong in this but it's not quite right. Even though it can be traded, there are other factors that can make bitcoin profitable for us, namely investment because in any case investment is much friendlier and more profitable to do than trading.
Indeed, your words with trading buying holding and then selling at a high price seem very interesting but the fact is that when we have been in bitcoin for a long time it is not as simple as imagined so don't just get hung up that you can trade and profit once in bitcoin as if it becomes easy because in the end you have to realise that investing and holding for a certain period of time is the best method to date.

Bitcoin can be profitable in different ways of cryptocurrency investment, what I really understand in cryptocurrency and how others accumulate their bitcoin is through buying bitcoin when the price is in a dip and make sure that you have keep it for long time, some people who have almost one thousand bitcoin today they did not acquire now that bitcoin price keep on increasing, so it's better you buy bitcoin and keep for long run and you will make a large profit than someone who trade bitcoin, bitcoin investment people who knows the techniques is people who invest in long run in bitcoin

You can make earnings from investing bitcoin or trading in bitcoin if only you are ready to learn to have knowledge,  the truth is that no expert can help you in bitcoin trading, only yo can help yourself and it is only tyou that can determine if trading will be easy or complicated for you. If you really have interest engage with bitcoin just try your best to learn and to do things accordingly,  with good understanding I don't think you will see bitcoin to be complicated.

Those who have had a lot of experience about Bitcoin at first are also beginners who are learning about Bitcoin and by having knowledge and they are trying to invest and also trade, it would be better when someone is just starting to understand about Bitcoin they choose to invest first because it is This means there is less risk of losing the assets they own, but when they have a lot of experience and sufficient knowledge about Bitcoin they can invest and also trade to make a profit from both of these things.

Bitcoin forum is not a place to learn about Bitcoin but we can get opinion on how to be a better holder or investor. Some persons still think that we can learn about Bitcoin from scratch from this forum but it is nit true. We need to learn about bitcoin outside the forum for fast and better understanding. There are simple sites we can read about Bitcoin without any registration which is what we should be looking at. Bitcoin is a volatile coin and we need to understand this to safeguard our funds so we don't make unnecessary mistakes thinking the market is easy to trade and make profits.