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Since I couldn't find any thread with the keyword 'Avalon Nano 3' here, I decided to create one from scratch.

There is this post in the Marketplace section by the user Canaan Online Shop: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5480362.0

Official product page: https://shop.canaan.io/products/avalon-nano-3 (https://shop.canaan.io/products/avalon-nano-3)
Hashrate: 4TH/s
Efficiency: 29J/TH
Price: ~100$ USD
Power consumption: max. 140W

This brings it on par in terms of efficiency with devices like the Avalon A1346 (see reference table below) and has a really decent hashrate (enough to get paid out from a pool in a reasonable timeframe), while just costing you about $100 USD (plus PSU).


It looks like the chassis is designed to be used as a space heater replacement, which I think is a brilliant idea. Reusing heat from home mining has always been something people do to fight the lower efficiency found in these micro-miners, compared to buying the latest and greatest industrial ASIC. However, this is the first time I see something that ticks all of the following boxes.

• Created by a 'big ASIC maker', i.e. access to more recent ASIC chips with higher efficiency
• Designed to be used for heating out-of-the-box (no modifications needed)
• Extremely affordable
• Decent hashrate

https://i.postimg.cc/hj1n8vR7/image.png https://i.postimg.cc/7h5YDzRr/image.png

To put things into context: a couple years ago, $250 got you a USB stick miner, and now we're getting a whole 'finished product' kind of device for half the price. I think it's clear that I'm really excited to get this one into my hands.
What are your guys' thoughts on this?

Downsides I see right now:

• Apparently fixed to Braiins pool
• Remote control over the device = privacy nightmare?
• Closed source / limited control over the machine compared to something that runs off cgminer

checked this out, if it wasn't fixed to brains it would be good for solo ckpool mining

wonder what the custom firmware is possible on this

wish bitmain would jump on this boat and use some proper efficient 16W/T s21 chips

I am trying to get two of them I will post if I do.

My 1st guess is that the FW is Canaan's FMS which is what they've used from the A10xx on up.
So far I've not seen anything in the specs stating it uses the Braiins pool. Where is that said?

edit: Found it, it is on the indiegogo site
That blows.
 A. I hate the idea of using QR codes as it largely requires using a 'smartphone'.
 B. there damn well better be a way to access the miner gui via a browser vs a smartphone.

The old antrouter and the heatbits were locked to certain pools. But hacking around that is (was) somewhat trivial.
It depends how much time & effort they put into locking it down and how much of a controller they have onboard.
If they took the cheapest - slowest - most basic SBC they could find to run it, then a fixed firmware setup that does not even have a GUI might be what you get.
OTOH, if they are using something that runs the full setup that they have on their regular miners then it's a different story.

Will have to wait and see.

-Dave

It seems that, even if it was not initially considered, it will be possible to solo mine and change the pool. the software update should take several months to be released, according to the idiegogo discussion and the canaan shop telegram. 

I fully agree. I'm already thinking about ways to change the pool. It really depends on how tightly integrated the controller is. If it runs software that just connects to a pool over Stratum, it should be possible to replace the URL and get it running. We shall see; I got one and will report what I can, as soon as I get it.

Indeed, just saw it:

I'd still want it not to be app / smartphone-based or at least have the option to do everything from a web browser. I guess there's an opportunity for some hacking here.. ;)

I got 2, so i will proceed to a teardown in photos and video with one of them as fast as i can.

For the moment, it seems that canaan is listening their customers. we will see in the next weeks if they do what they said, but for the moment, its a good point.

On the telegram, i've learned today that they are also working on a bigger version designed for home miners.

can't wait to see the "technological war" between canaan and the bitaxe hex community.

This is good for us.

For Bitcoin home miners, imo, there is two schools that can coexist :

• Solo/lottery miners
• and Pool (regular) miners

These 2 types have different needs.
As canaan is working on another model for home mining, and hopefully, maybe other brands will consider working on it, it could be wise to explicit the waited specifications for both types isn't it ?
Even if its smell the wishfulthinking  ;D

So, first, pleb miners doesn't have the industrial price for electricity. For example, in france, the common price is 22.7cts€/kwh (~0.21$us) and very good price is average 13cts€/kwh. And, if it seems high, it is one of the lower price in europe for everyday people.

Solo/lottery miners
In this context, the power consumption have to be kept low. 150W seems the maximum, because it keep the electric bill and heat production low, for 24/7/365 operation.
A special focus on the noise. It have to be extremely low, so you can run it wherever you want, even dormroom.
this kind of tiny miners have to be able to mine through a local node or a stratum. they should connect through wifi and remain cheap, regarding their tiny hashrate.
finaly, the efficiency is important. People are ok to fight, against swords, but not with a foam knife.

concerning the "classic" pool miners
the power should be in a range between 500-1500W.
It is a correct power to remain the noise below 50dB, and be able to heat an appartment in winter, without being a nightmare to cool on summer.
If people want more power, they just buy multiple devices.
In a sens, they should be "rain proof", because, during summer, many people leaves their asic outside (on a balcony for example) and rain can sometime be an issue.

Imo, design is not very revelant for things like that, but the price and efficiency (considering the additional cost to keep the noise low) remain the two major points.

What do you think about that ?
Do i forgot something ?
 

That's cool, but in my humble opinion, 100W is a really good sweet spot for home mining.

I personally don't hope there will be a 'war' because these are very different products. Canaan has access to latest-gen ASIC chips and provides a finished, but closed-source, possibly pool-locked product at an incredibly affordable price.

Meanwhile Bitaxe is open-source, which creates open access to information / knowledge of how to make your own miner and as such ensures ASIC miner production will not become fully centralized, so ultimately it ensures people will continue to be able to home mine.
Keep in mind that Canaan building a home miner is a first from a big company like that and while it's nice, we don't want to rely / trust them to continue making these devices in the future.

That's why I'd hate for the Bitaxe project to be out-priced or otherwise harmed by big corporations' alternative products. What you get with Bitaxe is not just an ASIC miner, but the knowledge & ability to make it yourself and therefore somewhat secured access to home mining.

It's true that being able to mine and understand how it works and get that knowledge is better. But not everyone wants to understand how it works. I think that the current situation is good competition and allows us to maximize decentralization by addressing as many people as possible.

The heating idea is a really great idea.

I understood that this brand was working on a bigger heater. Could someone give me the address of their Telegram or Discord?

I was interested until I saw it was locked to Braiins.  Then was like nah..

100 watt is okay
locked to braiins not so good.

I was going to get 4 of them run one to ckpool and 3 to viabtc on some junk sha256 coin xec

I can afford 400 watts a day for the rest of my life

https://t.me/canaanofficialshop

I totally agree. Moreover, in some cases, it allow to solo mine without worries

But i also consider that more powerful miners, in the 500-1500W range could be more effective in therms of price per TH/s
I have 2 KD-lite asic, with a 900W "low power" mode and 1300W "hashrate" mode. they are great !
Low power is very quiet.

maybe the loki plebs design are the correct way in this range at the end of the day.


I think both are great because they will allow many creative design for various usage

That's not what I was saying; even if you don't want to know how it works for yourself, by supporting a project like Bitaxe, you allow devs and people who are interested in it, to continue working on open-source ASIC miners and expose this knowledge to more and more such people. This will ultimately ensure home miners (like yourself) will be able to purchase reasonably efficient home miners at reasonable prices years down the road.

Apparently they're ditching that and adding regular Stratum v2 configs, but we shall see.

Sure, I showed above that there are sub-20W/TH miners nowadays like the WhatsMiner M60S. But with 1kW you're looking at 10x the power cost and you have to see whether you can really pay that every month.

It's not a design thing, it's an ASIC chip thing. If you have the latest chips on the latest node, you'll have the best efficiency. A Bitmain S17 has the same efficiency as a Terminus R909.

I found the proposal very interesting. Although it is not extremely profitable (currently), it can be a minimally simple way to mine BTC.

Has anyone here bought it? What platform did you buy from?

I also found it interesting, although in my country most of the year, I don't need a radiator.
The problem is with my energy cost, which is around €0.17/kWh. Do I think it will be viable? :-\

I bought 2 on indiegogo. But the delivery occur in a month

I made some calculus. And for me, now, this tiny miner is super exciting

https://i.ibb.co/BLyF380/Capture-d-cran-2024-01-23-090144.png (https://ibb.co/JnvgtXD)

It depends; if you have a shed or a small guest bathroom that is heated with electricity anyway for instance, you don't burn any more money when switching from a resistive to a 'semiconductor-based' electric heater.

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I just checked their Indiegogo updates page (https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/avalon-nano-3-blockchain-smart-home#/updates/all) and there was an update only a few minutes ago. They make the housing in other colors now, which I find unnecessary, but what's more exciting is that they finished making some demo units and started production.

No... I use the heater very little. So, in reality it would be an extra daily consumption.

The consumption is 140w per hour, right?
Well, accounts can also vary based on the value of Bitcoin. Today it may not be very profitable and tomorrow it will be.

I'm not sure if this device would allow to run 'only when needed' e.g. controlled by a thermostat or a schedule.

Should be around the 100W mark, so if you run it 24/7 at $0.17 per kWh, that's 12 bucks a month.

I'd like to reiterate that (especially low-power) home mining is typically not going to turn a profit. Due to residential energy prices, proportionally higher purchase price of small miners and older ASIC chips used.
Sure, you can stack those sats and sell them in the future when they're worth more, but then you could also just buy small portions of BTC every day.

That is true. How much Bitcoin could I earn by directly purchasing $15 per month of BTC; or how much BTC would collect in a month with mining having the same cost.

About 4TH would give you how much BTC currently, for an average month? So a few sums up, you get around 0.00024465 BTC / 9.62 USD. Less than buying directly.

yeah if kraken.com is allowed in your country you could put cash in say 100 euro every 4 months

buy 25 euro a month

do this for a year and pull the coins out 2 times a year.

on coinwarz.com, you can calculate that, today, with 4TH/s you can earn ~700 sat /day. but it will turn to ~400sat/day after the halving in april.

you can use exchanges like crypto.com or Bybit that allow you to DCA with little amount. You can set the frequency, the amount, and the duration.

Now, 15bucks are approximately 35000 sats. it is better that 700x30 = 21000 sats with mining.

BUT, you can see things differently. If you run the nano 3 at 65W, on a "solo pool", it will cost you 8.22$/month, and you will earn zero. However, if you find a block (you are a very lucky man) it will be ~4BTC instant.(after halving).
It is a lottery ticket that run every 10 minutes.

I don't think it's possible to change the pool you see predefined on the equipment. At least for now.

But, without a doubt, it is a different analytical perspective. If it is possible, it would even be interesting to try. ::)

Purchasing BTC directly is usually going to be cheaper than mining with most micro-miners and residential electricity.

Exactly; that's true (even more true) with comparable devices, though. As shown in the efficiency chart from my original post, only the last few generations of industrial miners have a lower energy per hash ratio, i.e. higher hashrate per unit of power. And again, residential electricity prices suck, especially in Europe.

They did already change it; I wrote about that on page 1. Lottery mining is definitely an option, or just mine 'at a loss' i.e. lose some $ compared to DCA, but help with decentralizing hashpower. See it as a cheap contribution to the stability of Bitcoin. Also consider you still 'get' the heat output, if you have a need for it.

I checked out buying one it appeared to be 100+37 shipping+25tip = 162 usd

I will likely run a 1 board s19 instead or a 2 board whatsminer m50

If you live in a colder country, or in a colder region of the country, you will certainly enjoy it. But I live in an area of the country where, generally in winter, the lowest temperature is around 8-10º (during the day). And for example, a "heat wave" is expected next week, with temperatures expected to reach 24º in the middle of winter.

Therefore, it is rare to use a heater, which reduces the advantage this equipment would have.

If I get one I likely would do so only if I can point it to viabtc.

I would likely mine XEC not BTC.

Stack a few million XEC coins and trade them for btc

it is likely stupid

it likely will lose money but maybe XEC has a big move up.

Can you just get these big industrial miners with not all boards populated? And what are the stats on these in terms of purchase price and power consumption per hashboard? Sounds like a good idea for home mining, if the reduced power draw / heat output means they can be run with lower fan speeds.

Or would you piece them together from existing gear you already own as someone more experienced and equipped in mining stuff?

I agree, especially when talking about this miner in particular, but think about water heating. Some people started replacing boilers and tankless water heaters with ASIC-based solutions, although to the best of my knowledge that's all still custom / DIY territory.

Okay I have a m50 with a dead dashboard   2200 watts and 75 th is 2200/75 = 29.3 watts a th

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/01/24/kTKqW.png


I would play with it. It is set to high. does 2200 watts and its loud

but set freq to -15% and we will see what it will do.

I may show it off next week.

I may make 2 as I have a lot of m20S cases.

I think I have a spare psu.

So with luck I end up with 2 one board m50's .

They will need 220-250 volt power
Maybe 28th at 800 watts   

they would be a decent home miner.

I will start a thread on this in a week

The efficiency figures look good, but I'm sure for anyone just getting started, this would be a much bigger initial investment (since you brought up the Avalon Nano 3 price) and ~10x higher power bill, right? I don't fully get your point about the price.

We should keep in mind that if someone's 'losing' money compared to DCA with a 29J/TH 100W Avalon, they're going to lose proportionally as much with a 29J/TH M50.
I.e. if you pay $15 in electricity for $9 in BTC with the Nano 3, you're at a -40% loss, but it's just 6 bucks; with 8x the power and hashrate, you pay $120 a month for $72 in BTC ($48 loss) - same proportionally, but a lot more real money 'lost' each month.

That's what would be interesting, a solution with domestic miners in mind.
It is not to become rich or have a large source of profit, but to be able to collaborate with the network without a large investment or loss of money.

When you created this topic, let me know that I'll want to follow along!  ;)

Absolutely have a large miner scaled back will be essentially worthless to many.

If you want to mine in your home and are over 20 cents usd a kwatt the Nano pointed to solo ckpool makes sense.

But if you want to stack coins with no kyc and have a need for heat a modded m50 or s19 is viable.

I have a s19 braiins controller from Altairtech.io

https://altairtech.io/product/bcb/

I have a s19 offline in home for testing and repair.

I will get it online today and start a thread tomorrow

Even with the mods, unless you know something I don't, you still have to get 220V to wherever you want the heat.
I am using a modded S9 for heat in the back room of the condo at the moment, would love to do something faster / more efficient but it's all 120V without doing a bunch of work.

-Dave

If you get them under 1000 watts and I can. you can use a buck boost transformer.

the key is stay under 1000 watts.

It is confirmed, the nano 3 will be compatible "out of the box" with solo pools !! :D

To buy this miner, shall I buy it directly through here

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/avalon-nano-3-blockchain-smart-home#/

Says 120EUR includes PSU?

Is this website reliable?

Thanks

And do you feel it release a lot of heat, or not at all?




This site is completely trustworthy. On this site you have to trust the seller. This is one of the biggest crowdfunding sites out there.

140W max  ;D, so not much. A little lower than a goldshell box.

I ordered 1 today gave them $10 tip total cost $145 usd ships to me in 1 month or so.


https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/02/05/vMZEZ.png

I also ordered one of these little boys... let's see after arriving how they will perform :)
For me it's just a lottery and heating my flat a bit :D

It may be one of the biggest crowdfunding sites, but these are notorious for being used by scammer vaporware salesmen. I.e. such sellers promise extraordinary products at incredible prices, but never ship. And there's nothing you can do about it, because legally you're not a 'buyer', but just a 'backer' of a project who gets a 'reward' for your generous donation, in case the project succeeds.
This failed many times with 3D printer projects about half a decade ago; more often than not, backers never got their printers.

I don't personally agree with big companies selling products via crowdfunding websites, because they are essentially just offloading their risk (of not being able to deliver) to buyers instead of taking it on themselves, while they clearly could.

That being said, you can trust a company like Canaan much more than a brand-new start-up to actually deliver and send you your 'reward'.

Totally agree.

I only mentioned that the crowdfunding site was viable, because they questioned whether the site was viable to use. And in this the website itself is viable. What may not be the case is that the projects that are placed there are the responsibility of those who place them there. I've seen companies like Philips use this site for projects.

In this case, it is up to the user to evaluate the project and who is involved in it, to make their investment or not.

Expecting mine in the next day or two as has arrived in my country from China with FedEx. Everyone else who preordered in a similar position? Will share first impressions when it arrives.

still waiting for mine.  they did send an email telling me shipping soon.

email was dated march 14th

Hi guys.
Just received mine today !!
I’ve made an unboxing in video :
https://youtu.be/bvmfrs4DF0k?feature=shared

And a quick review on X. (A video is planed for tomorrow)
https://x.com/agrizzly_incity/status/1773465785005994102?s=61&t=MCp55hIIIZQMC-hVyqhjfA

Have fun with yours !!

Did the sent you an email with the shipping details at any point? I am still waiting

last email was the 14th of march. I have nothing since.

http://YOUR_MINER_IP/get_home.cgi
http://YOUR_MINER_IP/get_minerinfo.cgi

Some unprotected, collectable data for Home-Assistant & others.

Cheers

Yes, I received the fedex tracking number.
It takes 5 days from china to France

nice do you remember the day you sent the coin in?

My unit arrived a few days ago and I recently started testing it (just the way it comes out of the box); everything's very positive so far. I'll write one of my typical detailed reviews once I have enough information and experience with it, later this month probably.

In the meantime you can check those out if you haven't already:
[Review] Apollo BTC - Full Node + Miner in a box (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5403168.0)
[Review] GekkoScience Terminus R909 home miner (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5479481.0)

I'm also planning to look into ways of tuning mining parameters; whether there's a binary that can take custom parameters or anything like that. There is an SSH server running on the unit, but I couldn't find working credentials yet.

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So far, I found out from the log files (and the GUI options) that unlike the only other fully self-contained unit I tested (Apollo BTC), it doesn't seem to be based on a Raspberry Pi / similar 'full' single-board computer, but instead it runs some light Linux distro on a microcontroller. There are mentions of RISC-V in the syslog and there is no 'shutdown' option in the web UI.
The system doesn't act up or have any issues just pulling the power and plugging it back in, which is quite convenient if you want to use it as a space heater in different parts of your home (e.g. shed, basement, anywhere you quickly and temporarily need some warm air). In fact, it boots up and reconnects to WiFi / resumes hashing astonishingly quickly; something that couldn't be said about the Apollo unit.

I really love how compact it is, while having a very respectable hashrate of over 4TH/s. Keep in mind that it only costs $160 shipped, as of today!

In order to be able to have something relatable / baseline, I did get the 'full set' with their PSU, even though I have other high-power USB-C power supplies already. It's passively cooled, so heating up a bit is expected, but compared to USB-C laptop power supplies, I have the feeling that it gets warmer (lower efficiency). Last I checked, it was pulling about 138W from the wall, while showing me 126W on the device's built-in screen.
This results in a roughly estimated efficiency of 90%, which is not excellent, but totally decent for the price and not out of norm. For reference, a high-quality ATX power supply like a Seasonic Prime 850W Platinum tops out at 95% efficiency, but it costs over 200 bucks - more than the price of the whole Avalon Nano 3.

Just keep this in mind if you're calculating running costs, as always, do measure wall power and not just software-reported 'hashboard power'.
In this case we're talking about ~100kWh a year of PSU heat loss (about 10 to 30 bucks in total, depending on your electricity price).

Yes : January, 5th

thank you. I paid feb 4 so I will likely have to wait a month or so.

Where to order for EU?

Reading the whole thread, I'm unclear. Can anyone tell.me if this is still stuck on braiins or if I can enter my own pools/stratums for any sha256 coin?

Thanks!

Edit; found their telegram and it looks like yes?

Any coin (sha256) / any pool. You can change it from the app or the web.
The web interface is not as advanced as other Avalon miners, you do not have all the configuration / tweaking options but, the option to change pools is there.

-Dave

Did you guys get any sort of tracking info? I ordered 2 black ones back in January and just saw yesterday they sent an email saying Black ones were shipping now, but no tracking info or anything from Canaan nor from Indiegogo. Just curious if you guys were just sort of surprised by FedEx or if you were expecting delivery when you got them?

says some of the black ones were shipped.

I have no info but my order was feb 2-4

If you ordered through the indiegogo page [I don't know if there is another way] and log into your indiegogo account the tracking information *should* be in there.
Just checked and mine is there. But, I ordered back when they were 1st announced, I don't know if anything changed or later orders are treated differently.

-Dave

my order was placed feb 4 . I can sign in and see the order but I can not see any shipping info

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1 x Avalon Nano 3
$131 SGD
Avalon Nano 3 Includes: Avalon Nano 3 Warranty: One-year warranty for fan. Attention： Power Supply, 140w preferred，100w、60w suitable.
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Dave did you buy the power supply from them?

I am looking into using a dell

https://www.amazon.com/Laptop-Charger-Adapter-Precision-5-893A/dp/B0CL2LL47R

Thank you all for the info! I purchased mine in January. Still no tracking info on my indiegogo page - soon hopefully!

I did order them with PSUs.

Yes, I got the power supply from them. $30 for a 140W USB power brick is not a bad deal.
There are some that are a bit cheaper but not enough to matter.

Not to mention, if something did go wrong or was not working properly, you now have Cannan blaming the adapter and whoever I got the adapter from blaming Canaan.
Buying theirs eliminated that possibility.

-Dave

yeah  i should have done that.

https://twitter.com/justh0dl/status/1776979731851735146?t=dDZLu4xrwW_YjEhFxBPS_Q&s=19

If anyone cares this is the power supply / charger that came with the unit:

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/04/08/VDOJ2.jpeg

It does get nice and warm when running the unit at top speed:

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/04/08/VDWbc.jpeg

I want to put a kill-a-watt unit on it to see what it's really pulling from the wall but have to run out to take care of some things.


-Dave

yeah the dell is a better psu but it is $100 .

Once I get my miner I will use the dell.

I will put a meter on it to see if it is better than the stock one.

If it does not save 5-10 watts an hour the dell will never pay for itself.
10 watts savings would be 90 or 100 kwatts a year which is 14 dollar at my house.

so 30 vs 100 means five years to save the outlay.

if you are at 20 cent power 10 watts savings is around 20 a year so 3.5 years to make up for the outlay.

Running at "High" speed, since there are no other setting you can tweak.

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/04/08/VWZOz.jpeg

Bounces between 134 and 139 after the1st couple of minutes of settling in have not seen lower or higher.
LEDs are off.

Going to test another generic adapter and then a name brand one to see if anything changes. Have to get them out of storage.

-Dave

And do you feel this heat really warming the room?
Or do you think it won’t be as efficient if the space is a little bigger?

They call it a space heater but it does 100-125 watts.

I would not call it a space heater. Price is cheap which makes it nice.

That temp is the temp of the power brick, not what is coming out of the miner.

But for where it is now, no there is no way it could do ANYTHING due to the size of the room where it is.
Running it in the small back room of my condo it did do A LITTLE bit but you are talking about early spring temps in a 200 square foot (18.5 square meter) room.

I can see it in places like that, or where there is a little chill that a hundred watts and change can bump up the temp those couple of degrees to make things more comfortable.
There are times my S9 space heater conversion or L3 heater conversion are a bit too much. This might work better.

Probably going to sell it after I have done some more testing it's nice but not great.

-Dave

I already have mine and I have decided to leave it running at Medium speed. I find the high speed forced, the consumption increases noticeably, the fan noise increases considerably and the power supply gets too hot. Low speed is inefficient.
The Medium speed consumes 90W, provides 3.3 Terahash and is practically silent.

So under 30 watts a th on medium.

And do you have the miner pointing to a pool or is it always in solo mode?
Although with this speed, it doesn't matter if it's in a pool or not, it's always as if it were solo.  ::)

It's set at Braiins on FPPS. They are / were having a promo with Avalon and only have a FPPS fee of 0.5% with these units.
Also with Braiins you can withdraw from them using the lightning network with no minimums or fees.
So you can pull out whatever you want whenever you want.

*I do think it is something like 100sats min but that is less then 1 day mining with this thing.

-Dave

That does seem pretty great when compared to other options that are available.  I didn't even know these things existed until I stumbled on a youtube video praising them.  I decided to pick one up to keep hashing throughout the summer here in the desert and I'm sure 90W will be able to be cooled without too much of an issue.  It remains to be seen how great these are after the halving but hopefully they're still profitable for most folks.  I'm looking forward to being back on the sha256 hashing wagon.  :)

update today

Now I only ordered the black miner no psu. So in theory they should ship faster for me.
Some advice looks like the psu they sold may suck if you run on high speed. So my 165watt dell may be a better choice for high speed operation. No shipping info as of today.



New Campaign Update
On Avalon Nano 3 - BLOCKCHAIN SMART HOME

Posted by Canaan on Apr 13, 2024 • 10:18AM PDT
Update about production, shipping, PSU and reletives.
Dear Customers,
      First of all, thank you all for supporting Avalon Nano 3, a brand new experience of home mining.
     We understood that lately customers had been plagued by Nano's shipping or other issues.
     We do care about the stuff.
 
    1. We have received the feedback from a customer that the package has been lost. And the crew had a meeting and decided, from next batch on, we will arrange the shipment with signature to assure that everyone fetches her/his  Nano personally. And we will take care of the additional cost.
    2.  We've noticed that some customers roasted that they never received their Nanos and maybe the new backers can expect their deliveries hopefully in december... Come on, friends, this is a bit too pessimistic. Actually we had more than 5 meetings to solve the production of the suppliers. And we are still working on the stuff. Believe us, we are eager to ship the Nanos to you guys as soon as possible. We are eager to know everyone's feeling and thoughts when they plug in the cable and sees Avalon Nano 3 start running. Hopefully, the black ones will be shipped from Apr 17th due to the capacity of production. And thank you Tristan BARON for showing your understanding and tolerance towards us and the situation.
3.  We will send an email to you when your Nano shipped.
4. We didn't expect there to be a large demand for PSUs. And due to the supplier's production, we have to delay some orders which include PSUs.  For the safety, We cannot purchase the PSUs that have not passed our safety testings temporarily.  And once the PSUs are ready, the orders will be shipped VERY quickly and orderly. We know it is tough to wait. The crew are all working on Saturdays and Sundays. And we will try our best to get things done.
5. About the PSU getting very hot. It is normal. We have tested it for safety. But please keep it out of direct sunlight. And take care of yourself to avoid getting scalded. Don't get worry too much, a 360-day warranty is provided starting from the date of pick-up.
We are grateful to have customers like you guys.  Thank you all the backers so much for believing in us.
 
 
 
Sincerely
 
Canaan Team
COMMENT ON THIS UPDATE

Did a bit more testing over the weekend.
A 130 watt Dell unit (yes I was running it over spec) and a generic 150 watt unit.

And all were within 5 watts at the wall when running this unit at top speed.
135W pull on average bouncing between 135 and 140 depending on what the miner was doing. Did not see anything below 135 for any amount of time and did not see anything above 140.

The temps were also surprisingly all the same after 30 minutes. Figured the Dell would be hotter or trip off since it was being pushed over spec but it was fine.

Guess they all come out of the same factory, just with different labels :-)

-Dave

when and if I ever get it (the miner)  I do have the better dell

 it specs to 165 watts and 28 volts at 5.893a

https://www.amazon.com/Laptop-Charger-Adapter-Precision-5-893A/dp/B0CL2LL47R/ref=sr_1_3?



If the better dell is really better it needs to save watts if Dave does 139 watts at full speed and the high end dell does 130 watts you save 9 x 24 = 216 watts a dat and a watt in 5 days. if you have 20 cent power you save 20 cents every 5 days or $14.60 in a year. cost of 30 vs 105 means years before you make that up.


I will post when and if it shows up.

So they have admitted there is a psu issue.
They have admitted they are delayed.

Fucking typical.

Hello all,

have also ordered 2 pieces and will point they as lottery miner to cksolo pool

Color: Midnight Blue
include power supply
Estimated delivery : May 2024

hope they will come fast without any delay

I think a very good alternative to bitaxe miner.

Best regards,
Willi

Willi, You are from EU, DE ? Im from SLO.
Where do you order?

From Germany

Which shop, link please

I also have a May 2024 delivery date.  I went with the black because I read somewhere that they were shipping those out first, but I also received notification that they're waiting on power supplies and some orders may be delayed.  In any event, I'm happy to have a new home miner on the way.  Been missing those sha256 hashes.  



https://shop.canaan.io/products/avalon-nano-3?VariantsId=10282
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/avalon-nano-3-blockchain-smart-home#/

I do no have a psu on order.  I deliberatly purchased a higher end psu than stock. Yet they still did not ship the black one to me. They mention a feb date to deliver well it is April and nothing so far.

I am  really disappointed.
no real date.
no tracking number.

well at least I did not buy their psu as a lot of people say it is not a good psu. Frankly using the usb-c means you should no do full speed. as 130-140 wats 24/7/365 will be a mistake.

Knows anyone a good PSU for that Miner?

The highest price most watt capable if the dell model it is 165watt capable.

I can’t find a higher power rated model.

https://www.amazon.com/Laptop-Charger-Adapter-Precision-5-893A/dp/B0CL2LL47R/ref=sr_1_3?


this may be the same model

https://www.amazon.com/Charger-Precision-DA165PM210-HA165PM210-LA165PM210/dp/B0CL6PR2V9/ref=sr_1_2_sspa?


I own the dell.

my issue is usb-c doing 130-140 watts 24/7/365 is moron.

this should have been a six pin pcie jack.

I advise everyone to not do high speed.

https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2021/5/25/22453936/usb-c-power-delivery-extended-power-range-epr

still
looking for a good article on usb-c providing over 140 watts 24/7/365

Maybe something like this, for 2 Devices on one PSU
https://ampul.eu/de/schaltnetzteile/3352-stromversorgung-28v-179a-500w

and if the idiot engineering people gave us a better jack that would be a good psu.

I am not sure if I can find a 240 watt usb-c wire which could hook up to the psu you found.

run the gear on medium and see what you get.

I found a red panda video

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ejn0fyO_18c&pp=ygUOcmVkIHBhbmRhIG5hbm8%3D

he is using an underpower mac pro charger on medium


direct dell link for the 165 watt that I have

https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-usb-c-165-w-gan-ac-adapter-with-1-meter-power-cord-north-america/apd/450-bbwr/pc-accessories

btw no update on my unit which is black without a psu

so they are obviously having shipping and psu issues with this gear.
The should have used this psu

https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-74-mm-barrel-330-w-ac-adapter-with-2-meter-power-cord-north-america/apd/450-bbqg/pc-accessories

or this one

https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-74-mm-barrel-240-w-gan-sff-ac-adapter-with-1-meter-power-cord-north-america/apd/492-bdhi/pc-accessories



this psu would be okay as it has a trim screw

https://ampul.eu/en/switched-power-supply/3327-power-supply-30v-167a-500w

you can drop it to 28 volts.

you just need to wire a high power usb-c cable correctly

Yes, the USB port thing is idiotic for devices that are supposed to run 24/7 under full load...
But for the PSU I suggested you can solder the cable yourself

https://de.aliexpress.com/item/1005004998861725.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.main.3.1588zMf4zMf4px&algo_pvid=4f17a8fc-00e4-4e81-8049-70434773479d&utparam-url=scene%3Asearch%7Cquery_from%3A

My tired 67 year old eyes will need to redo this unit with a proper jack.

I have to find that psu you found in  a usa store.  BTW it needs 190 volts to 240 volts so most usa people will not be able to use it.

yes, that's more for the European market.
I quickly found that it seems to support 110v and is probably a dealer from the USA

https://www.amazon.com/Supply%EF%BC%88SMPS%EF%BC%89Constant-Transformer-220VAC-DC28V-Monitoring-Industrial/dp/B078XGZSLQ


Edit: here is a 500w version too
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B078XHCFRL?ref_=ast_sto_dp

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08HYK2ZW3/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1


the one above may be perfect.

I ordered it.

I also got an email from indiegogo saying they are shipping black dated earlier then feb 24 asap.

I am hoping it comes soon. 🔜

I order the adjustable psu above

I also have the dell

I will demo both when I get them.

Well, I think that for this type of equipment, you don't need something as complex as that. Without a doubt, a good power supply is an asset, but it is also not worth having anything more than what is really necessary.

Either way, it's something useful for other uses.

That thing looks like it should be in Doc's garage hooked up to a flux capacitor!  It might be nice to have for future issues with this sort of power supply and getting sick of having different power supplies scattered around your house but seems like overkill to power such a small device.  I guess the question was asked because they aren't sending power supplies immediately or because some ordered without power supplies and need to find an acceptable unit?  Surely it would be better to wait if your psu is just delayed a month, right?

This equipment, despite being small, a PSU with a power of 140W is recommended. A power supply with this power, at a minimally viable price, is not easy to find. In fact, it exists but the prices are not very low - some cost as much as the equipment. That's why even the manufacturer has difficulty with availability.

Typically the PSUs used in laptops or for some of the modern fast charging smartphones already use this type of PSU. But, the price is not that low. Then I understand the reason for investing in more professional equipment.

I like gear.

Since I know every desktop miner I ever purchased had a shit psu I figured do not buy the one they were selling.

The high end 165watt dell = $105 is it worth it? Doutbful.

the amazon one with a ton of adjustments is way cheaper. then the dell 59 vs 105

is it needed maybe. what it does do is allow undervolt overvolt and a lot of measurement.

I personally think the decision to go with a usb-c cable was not cool.

I have seen two demos one of an apple 140 watt charger set to medium software says 90 watts meter says 105 watts . and it is hot enough to burn you if you hold it.

the other test is with stock psu it reads 139 watts not sure if that is a meter or a software number and it is 120f to the touch. on high so not that good.

I want to know if the $105 high end dell will be hot and I want to know if it pulls a ton of extra power.

I also think. For the power required, although there are USB solutions, they are not the most suitable and efficient ones available, nor exactly the cheapest solution. I should have used a DC solution, there are more options on the market and more efficient, for better performance and less underheating.

Well I'm done mucking about with mine.
It's nice and does throw off SOME heat but a 1 or 2  board S9 or L3 gives you more 'space heater' options although those are bigger and less efficient.  

If anybody who is US based wants it I'll give you the miner by itself shipped for $100.

I'm going to keep the USB power brick because it's handy to have another one around the office.

I will also give you access to the brains pool account and the e-mail address associated with it so you can keep lower mining fee. Once you have access to the account you can change it to whatever e-mail you want.

Reply here or PM.

-Dave


On it's way to Phil.

send it to me Dave

I will have 2 and can do comparisons

Anyone connect this to Nicehash? Is it possible? Cheers.

Update? Are you in the USA?

I concur; this is where I'm getting stuck in moving forward. If that power adapter goes the down time to get a replacement and the cost etc. is potentially a deal breaker. I don't mind that presently these will break even or lose a few cents on the daily time frame. If your opinion is that BTC is going to triple digits, it won't matter and these will be highly profitable little minions down the road.

At least there is now a 10% coupon on this one. I have to take a closer look at the specs. This lands just under $80
https://www.amazon.com/Original-Precision-DA165PM210-HA165PM210-LA165PM210/dp/B0CL6PR2V9/ref=sr_1_1?crid=12PSALC3ZB8BI&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.XjQDDy-Xm8h6vN7TGre3Quccxc7ZlTu6poYlIod6DZ2OGRighhaUkbLtSGGbmtZrIoCj9WuuJQcw4cx6EBMC9OOYZKZBp51pbqKTfEk6p3Mv6Db3eZxD3_oy0a9dPIFPQjbXKJEfXeoXgOhSkwvQZcZhVJDDBLJ2iyGusdnI42jQZyww2Nt5HuaBTkSEfBSFiYXj7dF7FFHi9GcGyPIfaEfniaUeJrAJatOEf0ym9fk.pQ3tJyTgznNg1ztIOhF1Z7mGiWxMf4te1rGVqL17gi0&dib_tag=se&keywords=Original+165W+130W+Laptop+Charger+for+Dell+Precision+5680+P123F+Dell+XPS+15+9500+9510+7590+17+9700+9710+Laptop+Power+Supply+Dell+DA165PM210+HA165PM210+LA165PM210+AC+Adapter&qid=1713581171&sprefix=original+165w+130w+laptop+charger+for+dell+precision+5680+p123f+dell+xps+15+9500+9510+7590+17+9700+9710+laptop+power+supply+dell+da165pm210+ha165pm210+la165pm210+ac+adapter%2Caps%2C133&sr=8-1

Almost wondering if I should just buy a bunch of these and see how long they will last @ $29 a pop and just order the unit alone @$99. Probably receive it much quicker as clearly the PSU full units are delayed at this point.
https://www.amazon.com/Laptop-Charger-Adapter-Precision-Latitude/dp/B096XKD44R/ref=sr_1_2?crid=12PSALC3ZB8BI&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.XjQDDy-Xm8h6vN7TGre3QsXUohnBy11luy83HTnNgJC5RJts-uBsEBqZw0C3Qm49dcd2FjqrVUGrsU-sI3Oqa7aSPU3yj1LWytAbACR14AK0VvIXwmNhgt-Td5M8UAQeQP0Fl68IbKh8wFRVApOMSXxzHt8DTwiR5mYQN12paYXpt2jcekizw2PSsKXWSIKE3OkYJt8PLN2FiwvhSQTvPEvDyg206ijbznpaFq2BWgY.dsAceHq7xWdx3r-NFSwr01YpLUy3xU5mmOxbF1ujn18&dib_tag=se&keywords=Original+165W+130W+Laptop+Charger+for+Dell+Precision+5680+P123F+Dell+XPS+15+9500+9510+7590+17+9700+9710+Laptop+Power+Supply+Dell+DA165PM210+HA165PM210+LA165PM210+AC+Adapter&qid=1713581533&sprefix=original+165w+130w+laptop+charger+for+dell+precision+5680+p123f+dell+xps+15+9500+9510+7590+17+9700+9710+laptop+power+supply+dell+da165pm210+ha165pm210+la165pm210+ac+adapter%2Caps%2C133&sr=8-2


Is there an entirely different adapter type you could spend the extra bucks on and at least be future proofed from the adapter dying or is this thing married to USB-C?

Found a video of someone running high mode pushing near 4.2TH with the authentic Avalon adapter at 125W (don't know for what duration of time) and it was clocked at 140 degrees F.

I think you have to go medium mode. I'm seeing 3.15TH @ 90W as reasonable. This is going to give you approximately 15-20% less output per day but this is going to be the more prudent path. And I wouldn't mind trying one of these $28 130W rated DELL power adapters in that scenario.

I just want to get a bunch of these and not have to stress over them when I'm out of the house like I used to years ago with my Nvidia 3090s. Nothing worse then getting alerts and having to remotely shut down your rig because you're running too hot.

https://youtu.be/Ejn0fyO_18c?si=6J8YI8iJ7wuql4MX

I hooked up my nano 3 this one came from davef I am using the 165watt dell psu

I set it to high and it reads 127 watts on the software screen.

I will slap in a kill-watt-meter

also I have a infrared thermometer lets see if the 165watt dell psu gets to a stupid temp.

gets to 121 temp better than 140 that the others get to but stupid hot

i read 125-127 watts for full speed on the software screen. the kwatt meter reads 141.

So 141 watts and 4.15 th is just over 31 watts a th.

backed it off to middle sitting.

85-88 watts on avalon screen
98 watts on kill-a-watt
3.05th
psu case is 129 f


like the miner.
don’t like that you must use an app rather just log in. the log in does not have speed control
so you will always use both the login and the app. note could be missing a way to use pc to change speeds.


I don’t like a lack of eth cable

but running it at middle speed does seem sweet.

Thanks for the update! No pressure but feel free to let us know the micro quantity of a BTC you pull in a 24 hour period.
I think the best value proposition longer term path is medium mode. There was even a video of someone who tried using a high end Apple USB-C that was capped at medium mode.

Are you by chance able to comment at all on this; in the mining management setup process for this Nano 3, is it easy/doable to just paste in your NiceHash SHA256 URL into that first field in the Nano 3, "Pool Address 1" ? Cheers

Before the 1/2ing yesterday I was pulling in ~600 sats a day.

And yes you can set any pool you like.

I had the one I sold to @philipma1957 pointed at a couple of others here and there while I was testing things out.

-Dave

Appreciate the info sharing. Thank you as it's very helpful. I'm getting a bunch of these as my theory is BTC prices going much higher in the future.

Do you by chance have a meter that you really like which tracks your total kw usage? It's been a few years since I tore down my GPU rigs and sold everything but from my recollection, I think I had a kw meter directly plugged in first to my 30 AMP outlet adapter and from there going into this, I plugged in a 30A 30 outlet power rack mount, so I was able to get an aggregate kw output number. But now I'm not so sure if this is exactly what I actually did.  Cheers.

I have a link for a good 30amp 120-240volt meter. give me a minute


https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0C97WF79X/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Awesome. Going to check this out now. Cheers.

Yes this is the video I alluded to where he just had the unit without the stock PSU. He was using an Apple USB-C and couldn't go beyond medium mode. But I think this is actually a good thing. I wouldn't run these in high 24X7 anyways.

Thought of one other question for DaveF, philipma1957, or anyone in possession of these Nanos.

Sound/noise wise, how would you say the Nano 3s compare to say the Nvidia 3090s or a high end GPU. Much louder or about the same? Thanks.

high pitched mosquito whine on high speed.

i ran it under my bed with the light off and the high speed noise was annoying. rpm at high is 4200 there is a whine.

it is perfectly fine on medium speed. rpm at medium is 2700 no issue.

Hi guys,

has anyone buy the avalon nano 3 from minerpals.com?

Is this a serious shop?

Regards
Fal

Many thanks!

For folks who want to just run medium mode or want to see if the stand alone unit (no PSU) comes sooner, I think I found a pretty cool product for only $34. It's rated 28V/5A and comes with 2 USB-C ports (my thinking was running two nanos from this)!

***----> Actually now that I'm thinking about it, 140W rating though not going to be enough. I think conservatively if you are running medium mode, you should plan for at least 90-100W allocation per unit. Maybe someone can chime in and confirm this. If I can find one of these with a higher rating, I'll update.

https://www.amazon.com/Adapter-Charger-3-Port-Compatible-Laptop/dp/B0CM69NR1N/ref=sr_1_1?crid=L426RIQ6NZA&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.lY9tIAHYLEaN_QNN_4tDOZleS4-XEU6C5AOoumjmjnMfUGpkql9YoZmyiWMGBNt3XDdlxzhqBjTvJ_zHYMSUVmbBP27VwiPzNBzAThVUHTsnKmZmN6p4AgK8ANkjmyZrDT7ukjMdx8Mf5tNlU2US5W7n93RcCeGCb0wm-NziHzq3yYbZ37x5edRCmSGW7r0j5CYucX_lAjdv0UpQdbu4sQ5vueRt_8pACwisoDTm3M8.gsCcgv4mFEUs4GjHgU15Bspgd36hE768t3kbkLHz2bc&dib_tag=se&keywords=140W+USB+C+Power+Adapter%2CMac+Book+Pro+Charger%2CGaN+3-Port+PD3.1%2828V%2F5A%29%2CCompatible+with+Mac+Book+Pro%2FAir+16%2C15%2C14%2C13+Inch%2CLaptop%2C+iPad%2C+iPhone%2C+Sam+Sung+and+More%28with+AC+Cable%29&qid=1713732081&sprefix=140w+usb+c+power+adapter%2Cmac+book+pro+charger%2Cgan+3-port+pd3.1+28v%2F5a+%2Ccompatible+with+mac+book+pro%2Fair+16%2C15%2C14%2C13+inch%2Claptop%2C+ipad%2C+iphone%2C+sam+sung+and+more+with+ac+cable+%2Caps%2C72&sr=8-1

yeah it is gan based they all seem to run hot.


They dropped the ball a bit on psu.

I like the unit but they should have done two speeds.

60 and 90 watts.  And they could have done a better psu.

https://www.amazon.com/ORIGINAL-GENUINE-240-Watt-ADAPTER-CHARGER/dp/B07PPQYX3C/ref=asc_df_B07PPQYX3C?

240 watts 19.5 volts 12.1 amps would have been the proper one if you want to do the high speed.

Oh thanks for reminding me as I forgot to ask you. Do you by chance have any kind of thermo reader? I was curious if you are running your nano 24/7 and if so, say after a couple days if you took a temp reading on your PSU? I saw someone online in a video post a snip of the thermo reader and it was 60 degrees celsius. But I don't know which mode was running and what duration.

I would want to go medium mode 24/7 and what I'm going to do is mount the PSUs in a rack in such a suspended way that fans will hit them in two directions. I'm hoping this will keep PSU temps significantly down.

Aside from that, if you just ran them and even if the PSU was on the side, wonder if there is ceiling on just how high the temp can hit. But I think in terms of sustainability, I don't see how you don't configure some kind of fan/cool air flow specifically for the PSUs (and I'll set something up for the nano too)

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07VSHR9M6/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&th=1

I got the lightning deal 13 usd.

i am at 127f pulling 98 watts at the kwatt meter

running 24/7/365


let me check temp again

129.9f running for about 25 hours on medium speed.

Thanks for that link and double checking your temp. Cheers.

Anyone know if anyone has any after market grills for the front and back of this unit? Got a buddy of mine running one at his place and the whining it makes on high mode is pretty bad, but once you remove the covers it's entirely silent. I think it's mainly caused by a slightly higher temperature in his place VS mine which stays super cold. Or anyone know of any STL files for the grills? Or have the ability to scan them with something? Would be very interested in tweaking them in order to make the unit truly silent. May create my own in cad at some point, just haven't had the time.

Canaan store opened!!!

Nano3 Is now here:

https://shop.canaan.io/

B10

Cool. I got the email stating this as well. It also said that they’re expecting the next big shipment of Avalon nanos to go out on May20th. That means it won’t be much longer before those of us who ordered get to have our hands on them. I’m not looking forward to the heater aspect much, but cheap hashes are always great.

So I have two running nicely.  Wondering if there is a firmware link and if any firmware was issued.

for my unit at least, you can actually change the fan speed in the root login actually. after you set up the device with the app, type in the IP in a web browser, [default password & username is root/root] and it's in the "configuration" tab towards the bottom of the screen.

i haven't used the app since the first day and all i used it for was to set the 'color' mode which can't be changed without the app.