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I have read several posts encouraging people to hold their bitcoin for the greater good of bitcoin and probably more reward in the future. I have also been able to buy some for myself and also holding. But there is this concern that usually pop up in my head anytime I am meditating and that is what will happen if everyone is holding their bitcoin and no one is willing to sell. This can possibly happen in the future when mining reward becomes too small. I know some people will say that miners will continue to mine and sell to sustain their business but when there is reduced selling, will mining still be a profitable business?

If this question appear dumb, please pardon me, I just need clarifications. 

Everyone not want to sell? That is not possible. You will see people that want to sell. If the liquidity is reduced because of holding, the price will increase in a way you will see people that will continue to buy and sell. Know that some people are just traders and not holding all their coins or not holding anything coin at all but to just trade.

In as much as you think people aren't selling their bitcoin I will like to clear your doubt that people are heavily selling of their bitcoin, despite people using bitcoin as a store value or a reserved fund there are active people who are utilizing the purpose of bitcoin which is it's peer 2 peer values. So, always have this feeling that there are companies or institution who are paying their investors bitcoin or if they are ordering goods from other countries payment can be in bitcoin. I still need to draw your attention that people are trading bitcoin on forex, binary options and another broker out there so they need bitcoin for that to take effect. Wth all these I have explained tell how do you think no one will transact bitcoin?

miners get the block reward and the sum of the fees of all transactions in the block they've solved... Next to this, ASIC's become more and more performant.
Coupled with the fact there are thousands of miners, there'll probably always be some miners for whom mining is profitable. Granted, the total hashrate might drop (so the difficulty might drop aswell), but having no miners at all doesn't seem plausible.

First of all there will always be a trade of bitcoin as that’s how the law of demand and supply works but should there be a stagnant position then the price will remain the same.

After all bitcoin has been mined miners will have a reduce profit from the mining and so also as when there is a reduce sells or move of bitcoin from an address to address will also reduce the mining profits. But one thing is the hashrate will actually be reduced which is the reason why mining in the first place is expensive to run. But with everything at a low there wouldn’t be need of high power to run it.

That is not a dumb question at all! In reality, it's an extremely important subject to explore, particularly as bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies gain popularity. If everyone holds on to their bitcoin and does not sell it, the value of bitcoin may fall gradually. This is because the demand for bitcoin would be reduced, and fewer individuals would be prepared to pay a higher price for it. It is possible that miners will not find it profitable to continue mining, which could have an influence on the overall stability of the bitcoin network. So, while holding onto bitcoin may appear to be an effective strategy for Bitcoin Investment, it is important to examine the possible repercussions. This is something that could potentially have a big impact on the bitcoin ecosystem, so it's definitely something to keep in mind.

This scenario would be possible if bitcoin were distributed among several large whales. There are a lot of players in this market, both big and small. Each of which will not allow what you voiced to be realized. In fact, this is impossible because the asset in demand will always be bought and sold. If we proceed from the law of supply and demand and assume that no one is selling bitcoin (and demand will only increase due to shortage), then the price of bitcoin will probably tend to the moon. Literally. And it will cost truly astronomical money.

What is your concern? Are you worried that if you hold bitcoin yourself for a long time, and others follow the same example and won’t sell (no one at all), then you won’t be able to sell bitcoin at a good price?

I don't think that's a silly question because Bitcoin miners also have a way of measuring the profits they get from the mining they are doing or have done so far so they will continue to do this as their business as long as there is still profit they can get from it. That. And when sales start to decrease, of course the effect will also be there, such as the effect of increasing prices which will continue in the market so that there will be more holders and those who believe in Bitcoin will also continue to increase every year.

If nobody was willing to sell Bitcoin, Bitcoin would be worthless because that would mean no Bitcoin in circulation, no liquidity. So it's actually good that there are plenty of people buying, selling, trading, gambling with Bitcoin, etc. When nobody's willing to buy, it means there's no actual supply of it to meet the demand (if there's any demand), there's no financial dynamic, so Bitcoin would essentially be dead in that scenario (assuming that miners also hold their newly mined coins). But I don't think this can realistically happen in the future, Bitcoin has great liquidity.

Absolutely, there will always be people selling out of necessity and by mistake, meaning newbie
traders or traders who make wrong moves.

There is no way that "everybody" is HODLing 100 percent of their Bitcoin forever. Miners alone
will have to sell a percentage of their reward in order to pay for operational costs.

The perceived problem hasnt arisen so far over the last 3 halvings.

We also should consider that there are times of shorter supply because of Bull markets and
funnily enough not the most opportune time to buy and times of plenty of liquidity in times
of Bear markets which is a great time to buy!

One thing is sure in the Bitcoin market, which is that there will always be so many "buy orders" from day to day and from time to time. On many centralized exchanges, there are traders who have already set a sell price of $70k+, while others have also set a higher price. What happens is that if perhaps the market is a bit stagnant at one price and an investor really needs to buy bitcoin, they have no choice but to buy with the order that is less expensive on the sell orders book, and if the least order was placed at $70k, which they end up buying, the price of bitcoin will jump to be $70k. There will always be an equilibrium between the price of bitcoin and the last sell order. If everyone is holding and there is supplous demand or unlimited buyers, then this will only trigger a high price. 

The mining business will still be profitable for solo miners, as they will still earn significant rewards upon completion of the process within the network.

Let's imagine if that happens, it means you will see many people are put their offers by increasing the money they're willing to buy the coins. The market will full of buy order or green texts.

But, is every person who own Bitcoin not want to sell his coins? I really doubt with that.

Such thing could happen if only few people owns all Bitcoins.

You make a fair observation.  There's some truth that if all Bitcoin holders just cling to their stash instead of selling any, it could disrupt the market balance.  Bitcoin's value depends on basic supply and demand, just like any other tradable asset.  If no ones selling to satisfy buyers, prices could skyrocket.  But that spike probably wouldn't last forever and  the market tends to even out eventually with the cost settling into a new balance that fits with how supply and demand shift over time.


Even when mining reward becomes too small we will still have transaction fees.


Reduced selling means less Bitcoin on the market, which can impact its price.  If the miners are not able to sustain their business, some of them will probably stop mining, this will affect the difficulty on the network, which will consequently lead to more earnings for the miners who remain until a new equilibrium is reached again.

it would not be possible for everyone to hold bitcoin together and not want to trade it. there will definitely be a buying and selling process that occurs in the market, because not everyone who holds bitcoin is for long-term investment, there are definitely those who trade it in the short term or there are holders who sell their bitcoin for whatever reason.

moreover, holders have different thoughts on bitcoin. so when there are many people who say "just hold your bitcoin" it will not be possible for all bitcoin holders to actually hold it, other holders will have different thoughts on this.

Mining would still be a profitable business even when the mining reward is getting smaller (depends on the country where electricity bill is not expensive and miners doesn't just earn from mining rewards alone but also the transaction fee from every transactions in a block that is mined. If no one sell their bitcoin then the demand will increase and those who hold will have to sell for profit and I would also say that it is impossible for people not to sell their bitcoin holdings.

Then the value will be worthless, and it's just basic demand and supply that decides the price so if there is absolute zero supply no matter how high the demand the price can't be decided but it's highly unlikely to happen, there will be always someone buy when someone make an offer that the seller can't resist and the cycle keep on going.

But just imagine for a second what it could do if that's not the case and everyone just continues hodling, I don't think that something bad would happen because when there's no one that's willing to sell their bitcoin then the people that wants to buy bitcoin will be forced to increase their buying price to attract people that wants to sell their bitcoin, that's how I see that scenario play out with bitcoin increasing in price because everyone's hodling. I agree that each hodlers are unique because some of them have a hard lives to live and most of them don't have other ways to get money when an emergency comes, they'll eventually sell even if they all preach hodling for a really long time.

There will always be people who are trading Bitcoin and there will always be people who are not necessarily traders but are selling because they've made a profit or don't want to make a loss, but the way I see it, if everybody holds their Bitcoin and refuses to sell, the result of this will either lead them to sell or look for more to buy.

If everybody holds on to their Bitcoin there will be scarcity and scarcity leads to more value if there is more value, some people will want to sell and make a profit which will mean more people want to buy and the price keeps going up. If the supply is reduced and the demand remains the same, the price will increase.

It may also be that the demand might drop since nobody is willing to sell and the price will reduce, this will make people sell before they make too many losses and this can either increase the price or drop the price even further.

To begin with, miners are not entirely dependent on the block reward, but they receive the transaction fees from the network.

Now you need to understand why people want to hold their Bitcoins. The answer is within its historical price increase. People who have joined the community a couple of years back, they have already seen an astronomical amount of profit which no other asset can provide. So they are more inclined towards holding. Personally I am one of them.

Secondly, I think the current transaction fees is also discouraging people from using Bitcoin. So instead of making small transactions, people are waiting for their goals to be reached so that they can make one big transaction and take out the profits.

You're right that supply and demand determining price.  No question there.  But let me offer a slightly different perspective: Even if no one was selling Bitcoin, so supply dried up completely, it wouldn't necessarily become worthless and  just look at diamonds - they are incredibly rare, yet still have a market price because some trading does occur. 

Without any Bitcoin selling sure, transactions would halt, so we'd lose a market price.  But that doesn't equate to worthlessness.  It would be in a state of limbo - some intrinsic value exists, yet with no trading to substantiate a market price. 

I suppose the essence here is that supply and demand intertwine to set price in markets but demand alone can still indicate an inherent value, even without immediate supply sources available for trading. 

Not everyone are investors and not everyone are traders. The same fact is in a market, there are sellers and buyers but buying and selling forces from them can be not balanced.

Supply and demand, if buying is bigger than selling, price will increase. If there are more investors, holders than traders, there will be less selling pressure but your question is not realistic.

It will never happen things like "Everyone are holding their bitcoins". Always there are sellers, just more or less than usual.

By effects from Bitcoin ETFs, there is supply crisis with more bitcoins withdrawn from centralized exchanges, exchange balance drops a lot and Bitcoin Spot ETFs simply have very huge demand.

The halving will boost the crisis more seriously.

Technically what is suggested or at least should be suggested is to not-panic-sell instead of jut holding at all times and at all costs. This is addressing a problem with newcomers who have not yet experienced the famous bitcoin downtrends like what we had in 2014 and 2018 where price keeps going down 10% 20% 50% 80%!
At some point they panic and sell thinking it's over but little do they know, the dump to $150 back in 2014-15 was a golden opportunity to buy not to sell, again the $3000 days in 2018-19 were similar golden opportunities and again the latest $20k days last year.

So yeah, they should HODL instead of panic selling.

As others have already said, it can't happen. There are many different people who own bitcoin for different reasons. Some will always have to liquidate their coins. It could be a merchant who received bitcoin and wants fiat for their costs, it could be an investors wanting some profit out, it could be a weak hand panic selling, a miner paying bills, etc.

No matter what happens, there will always be some people willing to sell their Bitcoin, and the market will always have sell orders in any market situation. Not everyone can keep holding all their Bitcoin forever, and most importantly, not all Bitcoin holders are long-term holders, a big part of the market consists of people who trade cryptocurrencies for short-term gains, and they do this with Bitcoin as well, so they will always be buying and selling within short time intervals.
So this shouldn't be a concern because there will always be some people willing to sell their Bitcoin even if Bitcoin's price is very low or very high. If holding for everyone was possible, there would be no people selling their Bitcoin when Bitcoin's price was around $16k in 2022.

No matter the amount of advice and encouragement that's given to people, not everyone can be able to hold on for a long time. Some do sell and buy back when the price drops in their favour, and exchanges will also keep on providing liquidity and volume for their people to buy and sell.
 
That being said, we can also agree with the fact that buying and selling and not only holding is part of the reason Bitcoin is having the kind of movement that it is having. If everyone decides to hold the blockchain, it will become boring, and it could gradually be forgotten. Instead of having value to appreciate, it might end up dropping.
 
I believe there will always be those willing to sell and those willing to buy at every point in time, if not for a lifetime, at least for the time being, that the rest of us will be on this planet.

It's like when you run a business and always want to sell your products at a high price, and that happens when someone buys your product.

Going back to the problem with bitcoin, the way it works is similar, we all want a minimal profit through investing in it. So whether it is a good idea, or a drag and drop, it is also a way to attract, but it shows that with the life cycle of each individual or organization regarding investment issues, the development journey of bitcoin There are always many opportunities. So we should really encourage everyone to learn and if possible, participate in it, I think we are all capable and aware enough to know how our own behavior will affect our lives. So always take responsibility for it, like what I've been exposed to so far about bitcoin, I'm really grateful for the opportunity that exists.

There will always be some reward in the form of transaction fees, and it's impossible that no one will transact Bitcoin, but the big question is whether this reward will be enough to get hashrate for securing the network, or would 51% attacks become more likely. This is something that we'll see in  12-16 years after a few more halvening, because right now the reward is still quite big.

While a scenario where nobody sells Bitcoin seems highly unlikely, it is worth considering if such a situation would render Bitcoin a complete failure. While it wouldnt necessarily be 'worthless,' its functionality as a currency would be non-existent.  But as others have rightly pointed out, that will never happen.  Even the most rarest things in the world are up for sale... For the right price.

I don't understand the point of holding bitcoins, I hope not many people follow that advice or at least will hold it for max some years. Just think about it, what's the point of Bitcoin is everyone holds and it's hard/expensive to buy it? And on top of that, what's the point of Bitcoin if ordinals or miners are abusing the bitcoin blockchain?
I'll be frank, if everyone starts holding Bitcoin, then other coins will change Bitcoin, that's it. I think that we can't talk about what will happen in future when miners will mine all the block because god knows if there is a Bitcoin in 100 years.

No matter what happens, there will always be sellers in the market. But let us process that we get into that point.

What happens is that the buyers will try to put the price into premium so that everyone will be interested into selling it to them. Like putting a 10% premium for each Bitcoin that they will buy.

But you know, on this market, there will always be those that will be glad to sell at anytime. We as small investors, we're not like that because this is like a few amount to us and we have to be wise to sell it. But those that are in abundance or they mine it, they'd sell for sure.

People holding Bitcoin will eventually sell @OP.  It is impossible that everyone will keep on holding Bitcoin because through selling is when the holder realized his profit and every investors want to take profit on their investment.

For example, miners need to sell their mined BTC to be able to maintain their mining operation costs.  And for sure you @OP being an investor will have your own selling price and will sell once your selling target price is met. So it would really impossible that no one will sell their BTC and keep on holding because as stated, they need to make a profit from their investments.


Isn't it obvious?  People hold Bitcoin to get more profit.  Holding Bitcoin will temporarily make the Bitcoin market rare due to the controlled market supply but I am sure that they will sell to realized profit.

I think the OP is referring to keeping bitcoin so that the price could still go up or increase, but you are right, what's the point if all holders choose not to sell? Yeah, the bitcoin might increase more because of demand and supply, but it's also impossible that there will be no sellers in the market. Every investor has their own needs, so it's understandable and also fine because there should be a balance in the market, meaning if there are buyers, then there should also be sellers in order to have an order in the market. 

But I already expect that at some point in what is currently happening in bitcoin that it already reah $64k. I expect that maybe mid-range or after the price reaches another ATH, the price will do a dip or correction as many investors might sell some of their holdings. The scary part is that if the big holders sell their assets, then it will be a big dip for the market.

There are many countries in this world which makes up  the billions of people that are Bitcoin investors. The billion population that are Bitcoin investors can not just decide to hold their Bitcoin without selling even a small chunk. Also, it is not every Bitcoin investor that can patiently hold their coin till the bull market is over, many people will sell and there must always be those that are willing to sell in any market conditions. OP, the Bitcoin market never lacks buyers and sellers and I don't believe that even in the future there will be a day that goes by without a single sell.

out of millions of people. there will always be one person willing to sell
and the market price is not based on a cumulative total of a days orders. but the price of that one latest order that filled at the time its filled
if no one at all sold for like an hour then the price will just display the price of an hour ago

..
extreme(fantasy) scenario:
if all people unanimously agreed to hold by refusing to sell below say $100k and buyers hold onto cash refusing to buy above say $30k:

EG

                          0.007  $100,00.03k
                          0.005  $100,00.02k
                          0.002  $100,00.01k
                          0.001  $100,00.00k
                  [spread/gap]
$30,00.00k   0.001  
$29,999.99   0.002  
$29,999.98   0.005  
$29,999.97   0.007

then whomever has the weakest hands first and moves first, it sets the price with a wide spread=volatility
where price moves from 30k to 100k per order

We could shift to other coins down the road.

I am not too worried about your question for right now.

But you could spec buy a few others to hedge.

Or not.

In fact, the end goal of all these bitcoin holders is to sell for profits, so I don’t think selling will be lessen but will most likely to increase chances when a lot would want to enter bitcoin investment. Don’t believe that one should hold bitcoin forever because in reality, everyone is greedy to make profits, it’s just that some manage to prolong their hodling but would still end up selling their coins to enjoy the fruits of their patience.

People have also been encouraged to spend their BTC when they get the chance, you can spend it in stores that accept BTC as payment, that is also for the greater good of BTC, and to promote BTC as money. However, people are free to do whatever they want with their BTC's, but it is just not possible that there would be a time when nobody is going to sell, people would surely want to convert some of their coins to fiat for different reasons.

Bitcoin, as much as it’s a highly profitable investment for now, but we should also not forget that it’s created for its currency purpose. So how can we promote bitcoin if we are not actually utilizing it based on its purpose? But in reality, there’s always buying and selling scenarios in the market. While some people may be greedy and would want to accumulate more coins, others may also want to reap what they have been hodling for long. Of course, if they won’t resort into selling, they will never enjoy the profits from hodling.

If everyone just hold their coin, and no one sells it, then there will be scarcity of the coins. The new people who would try to buy the coins won’t be able to buy it. This will basically increase the demand to buy the coins and as there will be very less amount of Bitcoins available in the market, hence the price will go up. Now when the price is so high, then long term investors will definitely try to sell the coins and like this the ecosystem keeps on running. This is just an assumption and I am sure something like this won’t happen at all.

There will be no balance if everyone is holding bitcoin or any coins they have. Just like our money not the digital currency, that needs to be circling around the market and not stock in your pocket, how will the economy works if everyone is holding their money. It is the same situation here in Bitcoin, bitcoin should be circling so the market will work. If everyone is holding, the price of BTC will drop.

They always say that what money cannot buy can be bought for even more money. If people are willing to buy Bitcoin at a price that can tempt the owners, there will be sellers. The world is structured so that owning something rare will always be in demand for those who want to own something rare. Therefore, the purchase and sale movement will be regular. People can't just sit on money. Their money must move.

I understand you and I also hear enough about Bitcoin, majorly how people encouraged others to buy and hold forever, if possible. Well, let me start by saying that no question is dumb as far as I am concerned and the person that asks is wiser than the person that does not seek knowledge at all. And it seems your lack of knowledge about trading and investment is causing this, so I implore you to seek more knowledge in that regard. You can learn it towards the economics of it, and down to the speculation aspect, so that you get to handle simple things like this yourself.

Now, I want you to view Bitcoin as water inside a bowl. If a cup of water is drawn from it, the water volume will reduce, but if a cup of water is rather added instead of the initial removal, the volume of water will increase. Also, if the water in the bowl is left untouched, it will remain as it is without any addition or subtraction. That's how the Bitcoin market works. You should assume that the bowl is Bitcoin and the water in it is the liquidity/capitalization (money). If more money is being injected into the Bitcoin market, the price will continue to rise, and this is what economists call Demand. But if more money is being withdrawn from the Bitcoin market, the price will reduce, and this is what economists call Supply. Now, this demand and supply will always play their role in any market/asset as rivals, they always fight (Bulls and Bears). Due to this, there will be times when more demand will prevail in the market, and there will be times when more supply will prevail in the market. No market has ever been on a smooth slope without some retracements/corrections, range, channelling, and even reversal. So Bitcoin can't be and those people expect and you do not beg people for the demand to prevail during its time (bullish season). So, the advice you received is for Bitcoin stability where no supply would happen. However, this will help Bitcoin but I have never seen a market like that. The market is dynamic.

As for the miners, their activities can no longer control the market because the majority of Bitcoin has already been mined.

Your questions is pretty much similar to if everyone were entrepreneurs, who would be employees? (https://www.quora.com/If-everyone-were-entrepreneurs-who-would-be-employees)

You need to know if no one else can control every people in the world, even a president or Joe Biden can't even control every citizen, the proof is there are still many criminals, robbery, beggars etc.

So your question doesn't make sense at all.

This is not correct, we suggest people to hold their coins because for most of them this is the best move, it has nothing to do with the greater good for bitcoin or anything like that, what happens is that most people in their attempt to outsmart the markets end up outsmarting themselves, and about holding being dangerous to the bitcoin ecosystem, this is not correct either, each person individually will decide when it is the time for them to sell their coins, adding to the fees paid to the miners on each block, which will keep them on business for decades to come.

Maybe it came out on our mind that what will happen if everyone is holding? For sure we can see something unexpected things. But actually that's not going to happen since for sure there's a lot of people can't able to hodl their bitcoins and only those stable individuals also the institution are doing this. But for normal people expect that they are the one who use and circulate bitcoins well so no need to worry about anything if you think negative about it. For sure bitcoin will be fine even if the block reward will became more smaller. And also I maybe guess that there would be changes that miners can adopt so we should not worry anything about it and bitcoin will continue its cycle.

I understand your question actually not everyone is a bitcoin holder there are many people here they are traders. They are not here to hold bitcoins they are here to trade. If someone bought his bitcoins with his own money then he would certainly make himself available to sell after the growth. But in this case, if the sales decrease, the profits of the miners will definitely decrease.

At this point people are using both fiat and crypto - so someone holding onto their crypto, buying more and not ever selling is a common thing. However this is a rare breed of people and only a niche group among the entire population of bitcoin users. Many are actively selling and using the money to fund their daily living costs.

Things might become more clear if in future bitcoin use takes over fiat use. But feel free to use crypto too, we need to encourage sites that help us do so, like gift cards sellers, even though fees might be a deterring factor.

This is impossible to happened now that institutional trader already enter the market. They will surely sell their holdings once the price reach their target profit. This idea is only possible to centralized community and not with decentralized community like Bitcoin which holders and traders are free to trade their coin whenever they want.

There’s no reason also for everyone to hold without selling since we are all here to gain profit. There’s always a time that selling is imminent if the price is already way beyond the  target profit of traders.

I don't like the idea of many people holding Bitcoins. Logically, it will increase the price, i.e. will result in high profit for Bitcoin holders but on another hand, you have to keep in mind that it can also have absolutely different and negative effect, people might abandon Bitcoin if it becomes hard to acquire it. I am talking about the extreme moment that OP described, i.e. the moment when almost everyone holds and people rarely sell it.

If everyone holds bitcoin, dynamics change, but balance? Nuanced. Everyone holding eternally is theoretically extreme. Realistically, holding, selling, and utilising will always occur. Why? Life happens. People's circumstances vary, causing market fluctuations.

Mining being unprofitable if everyone holds and no one sells is a serious risk. Bitcoin's mining difficulty adjustment method keeps mining viable even with shifting rewards. As the block reward decreases, transaction fees increase. Aligning incentives is key.

Despite excellent reasons to hold, the ecosystem is intended to adapt. Bitcoin relies on purchasing, selling, keeping, and mining. Each contributes to its habitat. Your meditation concern? It shows commitment, not naivety.

Not actually a dumb question. It is makes sense too. What you are actually asking is if there's demand but no one willing to supply. What happens is that the price will high to the extent that it will entice Hodlers to sell.

In this industry, it is important that you follow your mind and not necessarily what people wants you to do.
Satoshi created bitcoin to be a currency for buying and selling if possible. But then, bitcoin has turned an investment asset where people are praised for HODLING more than for using bitcoin to buy goods or pay for services.

I understand the perspective of your reasoning but I put it to you that no matter the price of Bitcoin, miners would keep mining, some persons who can't hold for a long time would still continue selling due to one reason or the other, there are still going to be long term hodlers so everyone is entitled to how they wish to go about with their Bitcoins.

 It's just like fiat, in the bank you see people coming to withdraw and others come to deposit money or make transfer and the bank keeps moving so also is Bitcoin, the only difference is that Bitcoin is decentralized while banks are centralized. So far as Bitcoin continues to exist there is still going to be buyers and sellers and miners will continue mining.

 It's impossible for everyone to hold their Bitcoins without some persons tending to sell off their own from time to time.

According to my little understanding, Bitcoin will continue to be on circulation provided miners are still mining bitcoin. And if everyone hold their bitcoin, there will be some set of people that will be trading their bitcoin.
Traders will hold and also trade their bitcoin and some people will also be buying and selling with small price different in order to either accumulate more bitcoin when the price dump or to get their money for another thing.

Indeed, it encourages people to hold but it never says we did this forever. This advice arises during the bear season as this will help to fasten the recovery but can't stop people from leaving in doubt and weaknesses, some will sell. We can't change how the crypto market works, selling and buying are very active because not all are holders, they are active traders who keep the market alive.

Of course, if mining rewards become small, it will discourage miners but if the numbers decrease, that will increase their rewards as well. It is expected that some miners will stop their operations because of huge expenses but some will stay and keep working. If the majority holds, it was not lead to end of crypto space but just an increase of price.

The "selling off" of Bitcoin is inevitable, guys. Like everything in life, some people sell because they need money, some people sell because they "accidentally" . However, saying that "everyone" will HODL BTC forever is unthinkable. Miners also have to sell a portion of the BTC they earn to cover operating costs.

The fear of "not enough BTC" fortunately has not happened in the past 3 halvings. However, you need to remember that supply and demand always fluctuate. Rising market prices cause high demand and low supply, making buying more difficult. Conversely, bearish markets offer high liquidity and low prices, creating excellent buying opportunities.

A long-term perspective is extremely important. Bitcoin has seen phenomenal growth over the years, with each bull market pushing the price higher. Although there will be short-term fluctuations, the general trend is still upward. HODL is a good strategy, but not the only one. You can refer to many other methods such as DCA, swing trade, margin trade. Each method has its own advantages and disadvantages, you need to consider based on your circumstances and ability to accept risks.

They are encouraging people to hold so as to enable the price to finds another new time high, if e everyone sold in this small profit of yearly 50% gain, it will crash more than that percentage of everyone should sell but if Bitcoin go as high as big value, even if people sell, it will hold and more traders will be willing to buy and hold for long time. But there is no crime in selling because it's your money and it's your profit and better than having loss.

Do you know that right now, if halving should happen right now and the price average at this price continuesly, the miners will continue to be profitable because they survive when bitcoin was in $15k, when Bitcoin was around $30k, even now should be profitable for them. What you should know is this, if you are in profit and you know it's significant for you and you really want to sell, I advice you do so because nobody will tell you when it will retrace back.

We need to confirm transactions from which miners generate revenue. So bitcoin transactions won't be zero anyway. It's impossible to stop all the circulating supply at any time. Everyone can't hold Bitcoin; there are traders and businesses running on it. Also, there is an exchange that always makes transactions. So don't think that everyone will just hold their bags and sell. 

Holding Bitcoins is good for financial gains but it's too egoistical to my mind. Money has to be in circulation in order to have an active economy, an increased number of users and usage. What's the point of holding gold if you are not going to use it? There is no point, life only becomes better when people start investing and working. Besides being an asset, Bitcoin is a payment method which makes it more attractive to be used regularly.
By the way, keep in mind that there are many people that buy high sell low, so don't expect that there will be a huge number of people who will hold bitcoin and won't sell. Many traders buy high sell low instead of buy low sell high.

Is not realistic or true that everyone will want to hold their Bitcoin 100%, what happens to the Bitcoin traders whose activities are to buy and sell Bitcoin and also others who choose Bitcoin as their payment processor of payment modes, so for that's impossible to see a time where there won't be bitcoin buying and selling.
The market cap for Bitcoin is already in trillions of dollars and at that, we should know that it all the activities of those who buy and sell Bitcoin amount to that total market capitalization, so there can't be any time when we will not have activities of buyers and sellers in the Bitcoin ecosystem.

1) Selling has nothing to do with mining being profitable. Mining rewards and the bitcoin trading market are completely different things.

2) Not EVERYONE is holding. Every single day there are tons of people selling bitcoin. There will never be a day when nobody is selling bitcoin. The idea to hold is to grow wealth a lot over time without effort (ie without trying to time the market) and to keep people from dumping on crashes in fear and then missing out on Bitcoin's growth. Holding in no way stops lots of bitcoin from being sold every single day.


So no, this is not a problem and never will be a problem.

You can’t control the mindset of these people who wish to hold their coins like there’s no plan of selling. They have seen how bitcoin price can speed up its increase in just few months of holding, so how much more if they will take 5-10 years of hodling and only sell when they reach their target selling price.

But in reality, it’s rare to find people hodling their coins like 5-10 years because humans are born emotional and greedy. They can be easily tempted to sell and make good returns if they see bitcoin price has already reach its new all time high.

It is impossible to expect all bitcoin users not to sell their bitcoins when the price is favorable. The average bitcoin user is an investor and trader, while others are those who use bitcoin as a means of payment. If holders and traders do not sell bitcoin, then perhaps miners will do so to cover their operational costs.

Every trader and investor wants returns, so it's unreasonable to expect them to hold bitcoin all time. But at certain times, the percentage of holders may be higher than those trading bitcoin.

I hate to break it to you mate, but we humans are in a habit of exhibiting some form of greed whenever it comes to valuable things and want everything to ourselves....and Bitcoin having early adopters means these will want to sell sooner or later at one point when everyone is preaching about holding they certainly won't be in on this..which means not possible for all to hold.

Btw, for a balance to happen buyers and sellers need to be at an equilibrium and not everyone being Hodlers...if everyone started to hodl the effect would push price up as this would create an artificial shortage on the market which would be bad for late investors.

Not a dumb question btw, if you don't ask you will not get the answers you need ;)

OP Your rise of questions is a little bit hazy, but I'm sure it wouldn't make any sense if I hadn't made a mistake. A question is one that has an answer, but your question is a theoretical thought that is not possible in reality. 
 
Or more specifically, it is impossible to suspend. Becuse human nature is such that he cannot have the same position on the same work in the world at the same time. You can apply the same example here to your question: what if all investors of Bitcoin hold and do not sell their Bitcoin? So simply su that put, first, it is impossible that no one does not sell his Bitcoiin from the investor to the miners. 
 
And second is that people who don't have Bitcoin can demand its price. Becuse human beings demand that rare thing (Bitcoin), those who do not have it demand it for themselves. So in the future, if it is possible, the owners can do all possible buying to adopt the rare thing (Bitcoin). So as a result, there will be someone who will agree to sell his Bitcoin at this demanded price like miners.

they will sell it at the appointed time, it could be said that they have made enough profit, and what is certain is that if they have stable money their bitcoin will not be sold and will still be held until the value is high,
but one thing is impossible, if all bitcoin owners do not sell their bitcoins,

The type of hodling being talked about in that context is a momentary one just to create demand and cause artificial scarcity. It's not the forever kind of hodling. The forever type is injurious to the growth of Bitcoin. What gives any goods its value is the interaction between buyers and sellers. It's the same thing with Bitcoin. If everyone hodls Bitcoin without selling at all, it will cause Bitcoin to become worthless just like it was in the beginning before the 10,000 BTC for two pizzas event was initiated. Hodlers don't help the activities of Bitcoin. It's the activities of buyers and sellers that evaluate for us through market forces and interactions.

There are different kinds of investors in the market: long-term holders and traders. Those who trade often do this in hopes of making profit for only the short-term. This is probably done by people who treat cryptocurrencies as one of their main sources of income. Hence why they would always be selling.

Even if everyone, hypothetically, stopped selling their bitcoin at some point one is going to offer such a good price that someone holding btc will eventually fold and sell. From here, price will be established and might be even taken advantage of because of its high demand. In short, it is quite impossible for no one to sell bitcoin.

Right, we often advise each other to keep bitcoins tight. That means we need to hold long enough until we get a profit and should not dump the price just because of short-term fluctuations. No one says we should hold them forever and not sell them under any circumstances.
Additionally, we invest in bitcoin to make profits and make our lives better . And if we just hold it and never sell it at any price, what is the benefit of holding bitcoin?

I don't care what harm holding bitcoins forever does to bitcoins, but I know one thing: if I hold bitcoins forever, I won't get any benefits . That would hurt me and it would be the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

You’re right, as some persons are totally not interested in holding for what so ever reason and rather prefer trading but the op was actually just assuming as his assumptions , are at some point unrealistic but let’s just assume everyone sticks to the advice of holding and no one actually wants to sell what will then happen?
Personally I think the price of bitcoin will increase significantly breaking the law of supply and demand.

With all the responses you’ve got @op, I think it’s time you wake up and face the reality that there are several group of persons in the crypto industry from the traders to the short and long term holders and as such not everyone will actually hold bitcoin for as long as you could imagine and just so you know that, there are some persons that actually intend holding but

Pardon me with my words for this one, but HODLING, or what they say "Hold on for Dear Life", or in short "Holding forever" is a very stupid strategy as an investor.

I don't know if some investors want to hold their Bitcoins forever, but as an investor, isn't our main goal to make profits out of the assets which we put our money with? TBH, I don't think that a scenario where every Bitcoin holder will choose to hold the asset is for me, impossible. There will always, and will always be somebody around the world that will sell their Bitcoins for various reasons, but the main is because they want to get their profits.

In the world of investing, there will always be buyers and sellers. Some might hold the asset for a long period but eventually, they will sell it at some point.

If someone is interested in bitcoin, the first thing you will advise them is that they should retain it for the long term. So that he may be lucrative, no one will hold bitcoin indefinitely, once he reaches the objective you expect, he will undoubtedly sell it, since if you are greedy and do not sell your coin, the price will fall again because bitcoin is volatile. When my investment reaches my aim, I don't wait for a great profit. Any amount I obtain, I will sell it without waiting for a huge profit sometimes. Any time I get profit in my investment, I divide it into two and use one for my own use and the other to top it up in my capital, so that my profits will raise anytime the coin increase. I utilize my talents to make a profit in bitcoin. I believe that in order to be profitable in crypto, you must take risks Without risk, you cannot enjoy your investment and will be afraid of losing money, but if your mind is strong enough to take risks, you may invest any amount to reap rewards.

Bitcoin has specific amount supply, which is, if everyone decided not to sell their Bitcoin is not possible, because Bitcoin can only be scarce in the future time when miner rewards been reduced and that we not stopped buyer, but only increase in price as demand will be increased in the cryptocurrency market than supply.

It will never be possible for everyone to make such a decision, never on earth irrespective of what cryptocurrency or stock being invested in. It is possible (tho difficult) to have most people hodl but certain people will have to sell. Maybe because they don’t have any money and it’s their last chance, maybe because they just want to sell but someone always has to sell.

Mining could still be a profitable business depending on Bitcoin price. If Bitcoin becomes 2 times what it’s worth right now then I don’t think the halving will be felt by miners because even if it’s half the reward they used to get, the doubled value would make it just the same amount in $$$. So, it depends on the value of Bitcoin over time.

Like the post, there's need to hold Bitcoin but holding Bitcoin will not will not bring any balance because when they are holding and not selling, trading or buying Bitcoin thr value will decrease any the demand will also reduce.
People can hold there Bitcoin when they want to accumulate for a better future, the amount Bitcoin might be when you want to buy 8s always a nice amount for anyone who's interested in buying Bitcoin but when person want to wait for dip he/she might not be opportune to buy again when the price would he higher than the past (waiting fir dip while Bitcoin on going to the bull.

In my own understanding every body must not hold  inrespespect of how we hear about Bitcoin investment in this forum everyday I still think there are traders who pretend to be HODLers why they are traders . The only ne thing that make a bitcoin journey lovely is the frequent transaction. some sold for one or two reasons .

As much as you're being hopeful about everyone hodling, institutional investors aren't going to be passing up the opportunity to take a profit whenever they can and long-term hodling by a lot of investors, retail and institutional alike is going to make it much more expensive for bitcoin because even though no one's selling, there's a lot of people that are buying and eventually someone would want to cash in and most of the time, it's the institutional investors that are overeager to get a profit which is understandable since they need to be making money after all. I think that in the case that everyone is hodlin, there's still a balance but the balance is that the price will go up as the supply dwindles.

If Bitcoin was a commodity, there would be a chance of losing it if you hold it, but Bitcoin is a digital currency and no matter how long you hold it, it will not suffer any loss. And no matter how much we talk about holding the investment for a long time, not everyone will hold his investment together. Some may currently plan to hold the investment for a long time, while at the same time, many may see their long-term plans come to an end and sell at that time. There are some investors who will sell their investments against their will, that is, there will always be buying and selling in the market and not all bitcoin holders will hold their bitcoins at the same time but some will sell bitcoins and some will buy bitcoins.

Bitcoin holder dominance not by one community only and separated by many kinds of holder difficult keep controlling every one to hold their bitcoin assets, I think not balance yet when many people holding their bitcoin assets and get lower of transaction volume with possibility bitcoin will drop.
Looking what happen with fud or bad news sharing by some whale automatically make many people panic for selling their bitcoin with lower price, impossible controlling the bitcoin holder keep hold their bitcoin assets and reach limitation price target for selling bitcoin.
All holders have not good financial condition and will sell bitcoin assets when need some thing emergency, its good ideas exploring by OP but I don't sure how to make it true with difficulty ask to all bitcoin holder keep hold their bitcoin assets before raising up to the higher price.

The idea behind Bitcoin was never for people to just hoard their bitcoins, Satoshi wanted people to use it as an alternative currency and for those transactions to generate "Miners fees".

The "Miners fees" will become very important in the future, because the Block reward will be reduced to zero over time, with all the "Halvings" and increased "Miners fees" are supposed to replace it. 

Indeed Holding btc for the long term can gives us a good profit and it is always advised to hold for long term for potential gains but this is not for everyone as everyone has own financial goal which is different from each one. Selling Bitcoin when needed can be a very good decision to fulfil financial needs or take advantage of favorable market conditions. Selling btc align with each personal financial strategy and I am seeing not any wrong when someone sell btc in profit.


This will be a serious issue when the profit miners getting from the mining less than energy they consuming but as far i think it will not happen because we are seeing that after every halving btc price moving towards high price which more than 2x of previous price which means that even miners get half rewards in Satoshi but the value will be remains same and hopefully bigger than before halving.

If ever that happens, possibly some of these miners will stop their business and choose to work with another line of business. But on the other side, this will never stop Bitcoin from growing but would affect the transaction confirmations if only a few miners existed. But this won't worry me anything, of course, we can't just stay in investing Bitcoin if it is no longer profitable.

This will tell us that we don't have to rely on a single source of income but instead, we have to do more in order to have financial freedom. And in the case the will fail or stop, we still have other sources to support us.

The future we're all talking about is here and it's also our chances to explore the opportunities closer to us and this is certainly not the time to give excuses, rather focused on the main goal which is making of credible profits at our ends. There's vast number of investors and traders in the market and not everyone will be patient enough to hold bitcoin, probably not seeing all these bullish runs. Sensing your points made, it's understandable and you also sound like a moderator because giving out vital informations these days do cost money.

There will always be Bitcoin miners confirming every transaction, this will not disappear, although Halving will reduce their rewards.
Large miners still operate using renewable energy sources.


It's a kind of diversification on the investments you do, diversifying will build your investment portfolio.
Not only on Bitcoin or cryptocurrency, it can also be property, a piece of land, bonds, gold and much more.
Now I am also implementing diversification of those investments, but I also still believe in Bitcoin and the crypto market.

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The purpose of holding is because the price is too cheap so they don't want to sell, or the price has the potential to be expensive so people don't want a small profit??
IMO, these two possibilities will not discourage buyers from bidding on other people's Bitcoins that are held. That means transactions will still occur so buying and selling will still occur. People who have made a purchase or transaction will definitely find a transaction partner who is none other than the seller. So, no one will be able to hold all the BTC that is in circulation out of circulation.

Correct me if I misunderstand the context you mean.

This discussion may be a little too complex, but this is something that is close to impossible from happening because not everyone has the same long term goals, some are just waiting for a specific percentage where they think it's a good ROI for them and then buy back at the latter when another correction occurred. So, to make things short, people doesn't have the same mindset, goals, and perception towards their investments, and the highly volatile nature of bitcoin is the living proof of that.
In any kind of investments, there are always sellers, buyers, and holders. Not because we're seeing a lot of post about holding bitcoin to maximize profit doesn't mean majority are doing it. There are several ways to maximize profit faster than just waiting for bitcoin to pump and that is what we call the traders who constantly buy and sell bitcoin and any other crypto to take advantage of the volatile nature of cryptocurrency.
Again, what the OP is concerned of is close to impossible to happen.

It's just your idea but it's not possible in reality. Someone will buy the product and someone will sell it and so on as long as the market exists. We talk about holding an investment because holding an investment has a lot of potential to earn profit from it, but not everyone holds an investment. There are many who hold investments and many who only trade in Bitcoin. Assuming that those who invest will hold their investment for a long time but those who trade but their investment will not hold for a long time at all but if there is some profit they will sell and buy again. We are associated with Bitcoin and we are associated with investments so such questions may come to our mind but it is not possible to do so in reality.

According to this perspective, a liquidity crisis would rise dramatically the price of bitcoin. Because there is a limited number of bitcoin that can ever be processed, the expectation is that when demand exceeds supply, the price will continue to rise. Some people will eventually sell their bitcoins, and the price will become more stable and less unpredictable. This is predicated on the belief that higher demand for bitcoin will lead to greater growth and safety in the cryptocurrency market.

There are advantages and disadvantages to both arguments. The truth is that no one knows what will happen if everyone keeps onto their bitcoins. There is not enough of it in circulation.

It is not possible that every person will just hold bitcoin and will never sell it because people are a part of bitcoin just for profit so if they are getting profit then they will sell it. If more people are holding bitcoin then hopefully the price will increases because price totally depends on demand so holding means people will buy bitcoin which will directly increase its price.

Not every person is a holder but some people are also traders who buy bitcoin at lower price and when the price gets higher then they sell it so I think that there will be no one who wants to hold bitcoin forever and will never sell it.

BTC gains its value from being in demand by people and that's why the price is still rising even past the previous ATH there was before.
Of course there will be a balance because I don't think the 21million BTC expected to be mined has gotten to that quota yet.
Although in a real sense, HODLing might be due to bearish market seasons or for saving purposes, it defeats the actual purpose for which BTC was created and that is for it to be used as a currency for payments and transactions across borders as well as the P2p initiative to facilitate the ease of transactions.

humans are naturally protective of their ownerships but we are also fragile and easily blinded by money. there are so many reasons why someone would be tempted to sell their bitcoin…

one would be if someone really needed the money and they needed to cash it out then they will sell their bitcoin, we are in different life situations and we have different levels of mental strength

one could think the price might go down soon and start selling and people will soon follow because it is just in our nature to follow what we think is right

First of all is not possible to me that no one would willing to exchange their BTC or selling and also trading, This is not really possible because different people have their different thoughts and what they want to do with their Bitcoin there is some countries that have accepted bitcoin as a day to day transaction like the El Salvador transaction is going down on daily basis, so there is no point of everyone having bitcoin stagnant in their wallet.

I think you like reading about the future and the idea is certainly very interesting. Well, when everyone holds BTC someday and it is mass adopted, I think the moment of buying and selling will not disappear because as long as we are still living this life various kinds of needs and desires will arise.

and normally people who already have it will also continue to use Bitcoin for various purposes, whether for trading, investing, or when making payments, meaning there will always be demand and supply. Continue, for miners if they feel that their mining results are no longer commensurate with their operational costs, little by little they will switch and switch to a different business model because whatever happens they will always do it. able to adapt.

While it is very impossible to happen yet I will give my 2 cents in this topic and that is if ever happens that we will be all holding then that will produce higher in value because the more the supply gets lessen and that will be the time for altcoins to take charge(at least for a while)  but anyway like what said this will never happen lol.

If there are no miners then I will start mining with my CPU happily (assuming that the hashrate drops so low that it is possible mining using a CPU again).
Even though miners won't get block rewards but they will still be getting the mining fees from all the transactions.
So yes, @everyone please stop mining and let the hashrate drop, so that I can finally use my raspberry Pi to start mining those bitcoins  :P

Jokes aside, people will still be selling their coins because at one point people do take profits.
If you don't sell then you don't get your profits and so there will always be people willing to sell and others willing to buy.

I don't think if it is possible for everyone to hold bitcoin in their wallet,did you know what that means? just imagine bank refusing to release money to people, because their are some countries who are currently using bitcoin as day to day transaction unlike as you said.moreover there are some situation you will find yourself into,you can decide to sell your bitcoin to solve your problems,so in this case I don't think if it is possible for everyone to hold bitcoin in their wallet.

Yes, right. People are not here just for holding but earning a profit which is why they sell their Bitcoin.
Holding just happens when the market faces a huge drop but when it recovers, people start uploading their coins in exchange for fiat money. That is actually how a crypto investment works because, in the first place, we can't assure how long this Bitcoin exists which holding for many years is quite risky and has no assurance. We can hold but not forever, or else, we are making no sense. In fact, The creator never says HOLD them instead use it.

No matter how bitcoin can be profitable,  I don't think it will be possible that every Bitcoiner would hodl and never to sell.  We all have different target of making profit in bitcoin. The way we all bout bitcoin at different time, the same way we will all sell bitcoin in our time that will suit us very well. People will definitely sell their Bitcoin because we all know what we are looking for.  It is not possible for everyone to hodl bitcoin because bitcoin is not just about hodling, it can be used to purchase things.

The scenario you are mentioning is extremely unlikely because there are hundreds of thousand of people who own bitcoins, and in the future it'll be millions and millions, so is it possible that everybody decides to hold on their coins? On paper, yes, it's possibility, but in reality is almost impossible because at some point there always is someone who decides to sell for whatever reason.

As people are holding Bitcoin, some are trading it shorting and longing while others are selling.
There are so many things that is going in the market so we need to know what we are doing so that we can keep benefiting from the market. I think we need to know what we are doing so that we could be able to know how the market is actually moving if everyone decided to hold and not to sell. There will still be people especially traders that are always ready to long and short the market on a daily basis. We need to know what we are doing so that we could actually make money from the market.

Lets not reason the same way others do when they are lacking the understanding on how the bitcoin networks operates, everyone cannot keep on holding bitcoin at the same time, the same way we are having some buying, same some are telling, we shouldn't be moved because we are seeing the way others are buying, selling or even making their whale alert transactions of bitcoin, thinking that the entire coin will one day be centralized by some of these whales.

Actually the main fact is not everyone in this arena is the holder. Moreover, even if someone wants to, he cannot hold all his bitcoins for the rest of his life, he has to sell them for profit. And the holding in Bitcoin will be done by those who are long-term holders, and in the cryptocurrency world, there are not only long-term holders, there are also short-term traders. Moreover, the gainer is those who hold until the right time and can sell at the right time. You may not enjoy the profit of your fund just by holding. And Bitcoin's purpose will be fulfilled only when it has an exchange.
Moreover, Bitcoin is constantly being mined and miners have no choice but to sell Bitcoin to cover their mining costs. So in reality not everyone will be holding bitcoins and we don't have to worry about bitcoin valence rules.

In fact there are not many who are HODLers majority of people are short term investor who are looking for quick return. HODLing need patience and unfortunately not many have that skill with them despite the fact lot has been said about benefits of HODLing. It's true that whenever someone is selling, someone is buying because Bitcoin are not created out of thin air, bitcoin just changes it's hands. The concept is very much similar to equity trading where people sell stocks to others.
Let's hope more and more people become HODLers to enjoy good ROI.   

It might seem impossible for everyone to hold onto Bitcoin without selling it, because without sellers, buyers wouldn't have the chance to purchase Bitcoin. Without competition between those wanting to sell and those wanting to buy, there wouldn't be fluctuations in the price of Bitcoin, which typically increases with higher demand. If there are no sellers, the price of Bitcoin would likely stay the same. While Bitcoin was created with a limited supply, its purpose wasn't solely for holding onto it; rather, it was designed as an alternative to traditional fiat currency.

However, many people now view it as an asset and invest in it accordingly. Despite this, some individuals are willing to spend their Bitcoin when opportunities arise, suggesting that while holding onto Bitcoin is popular, it's not the only way people interact with the cryptocurrency.

The law of supply and demand must be a reference because for every product there will definitely be people selling or buying it. Likewise with bitcoin because it is impossible for everyone to hold it and there are times when they sell and other people will buy. Your worries are too excessive and it won't be a big problem because the bitcoin journey process is marked by buying and selling.

Mining will continue to be profitable and those businesses will continue to be maintained as long as they have the opportunity to make a profit. Miners are also not as stupid as we think because they have considered the opinions and expenses they have to meet.

The order book will be empty if this is the case. There will always be people taking profit otherwise the market will not grow.

But let's say it's really happening in BTC. The next thing that traders will bid is probably ETH and all other altcoins they speculate, we'd be moving to altcoins then and so I guess this is where altcoin season starts when all BTC holders speculate to sell at higher prices.

It's impossible that's no one wanting to sell. What if we reach to the point of Bitcoin is around $1M and that's the goal of most, there will be more Bitcoins again as we've got different times and price ranges to sell.

I highly doubt that's no one going to sell by that time. I've got the same thought of it before but in each market, there will always be buyers and sellers so it's balance.

While we see the balance of it, we're also seeing that institutions are getting all of those sold Bitcoins as they accumulate like MSTR has got now the 1% supply of BTC.

I don't think there would be a possibility where everyone is holding cause no matter how long you hold there must actually be a cash out time when your investment is mature or you have to sell some to do other stuffs, moreover bitcoin is a commodity and as long as there is demand they would always be buying and selling of this asset even if in small quantities, just like shares or real estate or any other asset.

Personally I think the idea of long term holding was never because we shouldn't sell but because you have more chances to make more profits from long term holding than short term, and little price fluctuations won't affect you or cause you be in a loss so easily. And besides everyone shoudk think in terms of having a stake in bitcoin, cause as we know it there isn't any better asset right now that has equal potential or even higher than bitcoin, so yeah having a stash if bitcoin is not such a bad idea.

Yeah, people would always sell under some conditions. According to me, one wouldn't sell only under two conditions, first is if they don't want to do it, and the second is if there is no option for a holder to buy or sell but if there is no option for that, there will be FUD all around the market and the value of Bitcoin will start dropping significantly.

Other than that, if every single holder of Bitcoin decides to not sell their assets, that would also devalue the coin because if there are no coins for new investors to buy, the demand will start dropping over time, and if that happens, the value will again start dropping significantly because those willing to buy will keep reducing the price demand.

It's worth noting that alongside long-term investors, there is also a group of traders who aim for short-term gains. They are glued to their screens, following every crypto signal to buy or sell (I'm not talking about hype or gossip, I'm talking about real crypto signals (https://www.morpher.com/blog/best-crypto-trading-signals) that they have developed themselves, based on real analysis, of course.). Most of them use leverage, making their trades bigger than those of small investors. That's why I don't believe that the market can stay still for too long. There will always be trading going on 24/7 ;D

But there will never be a scenario where everyone will stop trading bitcoin because not everyone is a long-term holder, the majority of investors in the market are still traders and speculators. Holders represent only a small percentage of the market.

In addition, market makers and whales will always have a way to keep the market running 24/7, they will constantly create new games to arouse investor greed. Because that is how they profit, it will never happen that people just hold bitcoin and there is no bitcoin circulating in the market.

There is something wrong with your assumption.  Everyone wants to hold bitcoins ok.  But the idea that Bitcoin isn't selling or won't sell or that nobody wants to sell is wrong.  Most people sell bitcoins after holding bitcoins when the price of bitcoins rises.  We can say that the number of people who have the ability to buy bitcoins in the market is less.  Because we know that Bitcoin is quite a valuable coin.  Sufficient amount of capital is required to buy it.  So I don't think there will ever be a day when Bitcoin is not being sold.

The market will never remain silent for long because this can also be seen from the large number of users who have used the market for long-term and short-term profit purposes, which are quite a few now. So the market will always be alive and cryptocurrency prices will continue to change through the fluctuation of buying and selling carried out by every group already in the market. I am also one of the market users who likes long-term profits so I don't really like crypto signals shared by other people even though they can still be utilized by people who like them now.

If everyone holds onto their Bitcoin and nobody sells, it could reduce liquidity in the market. However, there will always be some sellers, and new Bitcoin is constantly being mined. Plus, transaction fees provide revenue for miners. So, while holding is encouraged, the Bitcoin ecosystem has mechanisms to ensure market functionality even if many people hold onto their coins.

Everybody can not hold unto btc. There will surely be some people that will sell. As far as cryptocurrency (BTC) is concerned people must surely sell due to individual differences. The more the price of Bitcoin increase the more people will be likely to sell. And mean why how do you buy and store when there is no seller. It is not really posible.

Bitcoin is another version of banking system but the difference between it is just that it is a decentralized system and not a centralised system. Just like bank can never function without deposit and withdraw so is cryptocurrency. in conclusion, it is impossible for everyone to hold without selling. The buying oder and selling Oder is the reason behind the volatility of Bitcoin. so if possibly everyone should buy and hold without selling, Bitcoin becomes static and non functional. Just like a busy road don't have grases, if a road is blocked and not walk upon, it will be covered with grass that becomes the end. So if everyone hold bitcoin without selling it dem means the end Bitcoin career.

If Bitcoin ever get to $1M and most people didn't sell when it was below the price, the kind of crash that we are going to experience is going to be the worst one because a lot of market order will be coming from different holders after they deposited their coin in the exchange. The best thing for Bitcoin to achieve that milestone is to allow it trade, if someone bought at $30k and sold at $60k, it's another person that buy and wouldn't be selling until into get to like $90k above. If we continue like this, we will reach that price and there will be mild dump when we reach high price.

The institutional are doing that already, they are taking off the Bitcoin from the exchanges and more are coming for Bitcoin ETF which also reducing the circulating supply of Bitcoin. My only fear is that, I hope tomorrow they wouldn't be force by the government to sell all their coins because the crash will be a disaster.

maybe the only ones who can get it are those who mine. but the transactions that occur are also important. without Bitcoins being traded, we may never see Bitcoin value. it will only be bartered with other assets or objects.
but if the situation is like now because the number of Bitcoins in circulation is already large. and every holder is now aware of how valuable Bitcoin is now and in the future. of course, there will be many people holding their Bitcoins, but not all of them. trading on exchanges is also important.

Let's exaggerate a little. There are thousands of people who are holding Bitcoin as it seems, and those thousands of investors may have the same goal to hodl and trade their bitcoin when it is at a high price. There is no way when a particular price is reached, none of the holders of bitcoin won't forced to sell their Bitcoin holdings at a high price since their initial goal of investing in bitcoin is to trade at a high price for profits someday not to hodl it without having the idea to trade it when they feel like.

The reasons given will be the same as others. That makes it difficult for everyone to decide not to sell their bitcoin

Hodling bitcoin is just made temporarily, but in the end we all decide to sell because our goal is to make profits, not actually to hinder those profits from us. And where there is selling, newcomers will eventually start buying and hodling, but eventually sell in the end. As much as the law of supply and demand is applied, then there will definitely be balance for bitcoin.

People are in greed for profits, and the only way to make it happen is to sell those long term bitcoin investments. So it’s impossible to see people consistently hodling without plans of selling, it’s too odd for a greedy person like us.

Holding bitcoin for a long time is not the scheme for everyone, because not everyone has the patience to endure keeping the bitcoin. Even if he sees the price pumping up, he should try not to sell it, which is the hardest thing to do. So what I want you to focus on more is the patient. that not all can endure, so didn’t you think that there are only a few that will hold for a long time? The rest will also wish to sell, even if it is just a small profit they gain.


That is when the mining will be more profitable. Because of the scarcity, you have to look deep into the scarcity because when the holders are not willing to sell, that is when the need for it will increase, which will raise the amount of bitcoin. For instance, in every bitcoin halving that happens approximately every four years, the bitcoin mining rewards will be reduced by half, which means they will be divided into two just to increase the scarcity of bitcoin, which will cause the price to pop up.
 
Because everything that has a scarcity will have a higher demand, and the demand is what will make the price increase. For instance, gold and diamonds have a scarcity that increases the higher demand, which makes them so expensive, so if you bring that to bitcoin, you will discover that when it gets scared, that is the moment that the miners will have more profits than before, not losing.

Hodling without selling only exist in books, but in real life, we all plan to sell in the end so we can reap all the hard work and sacrifices we put into our investment. And I don't think there are people who only buy and hold, probably they're not interested to convert those coins into profits, which I think if there's any, then they must have been rich already that it's okay for them to keep their profits forever.

However, let's just focus on the reality. People eventually buy and sell. Where there are sellers, there could also be buyers at the same time, which enable the market to stay in balance despite of risks that are involved in bitcoin investment. Where there are risks, they can be lessen as well as long as we stick to the right thing when it comes to bitcoin.
 

It is a good question.  Nobody knows how this will unfold..

I can tell you this

now   2024 block = 6.25
April  2024 block = 3.125
2028         block =  1.5625
2032         block =  0.78125  this will be just about when your question gets answered

So for now

A)hodl till you are 5-10x your investment then sell just a piece of it say 10-15% of it.

B)use that money to help you hodl the rest. If it goes up 5-10x again sell a piece of it.

do that over and over.  say c d f

you will be good as long as you did A and B you will have made a certain profit.

It won't be possible for bitcoin owners to not sell at all. Because there are more day-to-day traders in the system than investors that are holding their bitcoin for long. What am trying to say here is that I believe the percentage of total Bitcoin users who are holders is minimal compared to the total audience. Even we humans have our daily needs and wants like feeding, clothing, paying tuition fees, and bills (internet and electricity) which may warrant someone to sell to settle the striving needs.

Without buying and selling of bitcoin, the price will not be changing. because what make the price of Bitcoin to be changing is the sellers, when the demand is high the price will get high because people who need it are more than people that are going sell. so, you will see that they will be the one to change the price of Bitcoin and this is why the price get high you know nobody will sell at lost and since people need it, they will make the price to go higher so that they can get much profit when they sell.

However, it will be very hard to see people who don't want to sell their Bitcoin, everybody will sell their investment because that is the main thing why they invest. but if we say we are using bitcoin as the main reason why it was created, I will say the price may stay the way it is, since people will not be selling or buying. we will just be using it as a means of making payment whenever we purchase something from stores, and you know that is why the currency was design from the first place. So, the thing is that everybody will sell their investment nobody will hodl and don't want to sell.

This is just unthinkable and will not happen, it can only be practical in imagination. In my experience, Bitcoin is an asset, and anything called an asset will always have the rule of economics regarding the demand and supply happening to it. It can't be only the demand or the supply, because if that's the case, where will the dynamism of the market be which is the most unique attribute of financial market assets? There are times when people will like to invest and divest for one reason or the other. The need for money as you mentioned is part of it even as people need money variedly when it comes to time and size. Some might need it for pressing issues, while others might need it for frivolities or the purchase of properties or to further invest it in stocks and many more. And what the money is meant for might be proportional to the size of the money removed from the Bitcoin market.

Also, people may be speculative and decide that the market will sell at a certain time, which is a very good reason to divest. No matter what, investors will always have the Want and Need for the liquidation of some or all of their Bitcoin for whatever reason. The same thing goes for the demand as well, a lot of people will be investing even at the time some people are divesting. Assets like Bitcoin will often record many of such transactions in a day and this is why the chart of any asset is never a smooth slope.

Your question is correct in my opinion, but you must understand that if miners' rewards continue to fall, they will not abandon their mining equipment simply because the reward they receive is little; instead, they will sell their Bitcoins at a higher price, which is what will happen. If miners' rewards are reduced, Bitcoin's value will always rise, and as a result, holders will benefit, as will traders. I do not believe liquidity will decrease because people are learning about Bitcoin every day, and adoption will continue because we all want financial freedom.

Bitcoin will be stable coins without any seller or buyer sell and buy bitcoin at the market, I don't think bitcoin will raise higher price without supply and demand with many people prefer for holding their bitcoin assets. Its difference when bitcoin holder put their bitcoin for sell order on higher price together without has space for selling on lower price could be interested with buyer or investors will buy bitcoin at the higher price.
Its difficult thing with bitcoin for every hold without try to sell, the goal of investing how to earn much profitable when bitcoin raise up more than few percent from price purchase I believe all investor or holder will sell their bitcoin, can't expected until how many years later bitcoin keep existing on the higher price or will going dump one day later. Take benefit selling as possibility when bitcoin on higher price and they reinvesting again after bitcoin price drop.

That is why it is expected to raise the value of BTC. That even there's little or 2x less of Bitcoin to be accumulated as reward on mining, that little reward now is expected to be greater in value. And at least BTC's value would be doubled too. And if all BTC will just be held, then there won't be any transaction. Thus, the value won't rise or fall even and it will stagnate it's current price and it won't be any better. So just be patient. Trust the fundamentals of the projects you invested in and the profits will be taking care of its own.

Hodling forever will beat your main reason why you invest in bitcoin and take its risk in the first place. You don't want to buy and just hold it forever, you have to find the perfect time to sell in order to gain exceptional profits. However, I believe majority here have their own time to buy and sell, otherwise you are beating the purpose of investing, simply by hodling with no plans of taking profits.

Bitcoin system as well as any financial market is made up  interaction between  buyers and sellers. When some else is selling another person is interesting in buying same time and price which is supply and Demand.

We know investing in Bitcoin is promising and one of the proven approach preached and practice is buying and holding, to obtain profit overtime when our target is achieved but the simple truth is everyone will sell at the end of the day. In as much there is life need arises, people finance there daily activities in turn use any financial means (be it savings, investments, any) to balance up.

In a nutshell everyone can't hold on to there bitcoin, its far from reality.

people have learned a lot in cryptocurrency especially in Bitcoin so many people does not venture into trading any longer since they know that trading is consuming more of their time and also taking capitals from them, persons I know today who is a trader always complain of threading that day always experience losses during their threading so it is better for someone to hold than to trade, that is why many people now is now holding a BTC not trading any longer.

when you take round you will notice that people does not emphasize on mining of BTC because they know quite well that the equipment used for mining is expensive and the secondly for you to mine a Bitcoin it requires a sufficient electricity and not all the country or any country that have such constant power supply that they can use for mining or Bitcoin, so what I'm saying is that so many people find it very difficult to mine bitcoin because of the equipment or the supplement use for the mining and the time Factor to mine BTC that is why the venture into trading and also holding a bitcoin for long time investment.

Obviously, the price of bitcoin greatly depends on its law of supply and demand. When the demand is high, the price will eventually increase, thus leaving the supply low and limited. But if it's done the opposite way, the price will definitely decrease while leaving the supply high.

However, it's certain that people in the bitcoin community will buy and sell when the time is right. Hodling is good and brings also profits, but people won't be satisfied just by hodling alone, they need to sell their coins in order to gain and enjoy their real profits.

This requires a mindset change. You talk about needing to sell your Bitcoin. You are still thinking of the mindset of a trader, or an investor. You should never sell Bitcoin. It is the only asset that doesn't devalue over time. It took me years to finally wake up to this truth.

Since you know that miners will not stop mining BTC because they have some bills to settle for their family to live a good life other people are living and, it will be impossible for everyone to be hodling BTC in the market and, if there is, there will not be a balance in the market.

We all know that buyers and sellers are the ones that make a place to be called market and, there will be some sellers who will be releasing their BTC to market for buyers to buy and hodl either long term hodling or Short term hodling and there will be a balance in the market.

Apart from taking years to realize this, it also takes quite a long time to collect it to become a lot (except for people who have a lot of capital). I also agree with your view that Bitcoin does not need to be sold, but if you talk about someone's mindset, it will actually be very different because everyone does not live life with the same conditions. So there is a time for someone to choose to sell Bitcoin, whether to take advantage because the price is already high or because there are other needs that he cannot avoid.

After all, bitcoin is money and the purpose of investing in bitcoin is for us to make profits, if we don't sell it, how can we make a profit from it? Also, is holding on to bitcoins until death or never selling them beneficial to us and our families? We can hold for long term and will only sell when we reach our goal, never say never selling bitcoin is a good thing.

By the way, don't exaggerate when you say that bitcoin is the only asset that does not lose value over time. So what about gold and real estate, are they assets that lose value over time? And what will guarantee that bitcoin will increase forever and never stop? Do you have any proof of that?

In the cryptocurrency ecosystem market today, there must be buyer and there must be seller. Op I think you have already answered your question from the bolded texts. As you bought, it was someone who was selling so the market is not stagnant but it is a market of circulation. One must sell and make profit and the other must buy to hodle and make profit and sell again. Bitcoin as becomes a market avenue whereby traders are always in demand and supply. If there are three or four are holding in one place one person must sell and another will buy. That is how the market is so don't think that one bitcoin will stuck because there will be no buyers. You buy today you will sell tomorrow when the price goes up.

This is not practical because the reality is that, not everybody will be doing the same thing at same time. What gives a balance in the market is that, there sellers and there are buyers, but what is real is that we would either have a time when there will be more buyers (holders) than sellers and that causes something we call a supply shock, that's only small percentage of people wants to sell, and this causes the price to increase extensively, just as what we are about to experience after halving.

Most of the community members here in this forum are believers and also have holdings of bitcoin. Until now, they have remained patiently waiting for the target price when they will sell it.
And others, while holding their bitcoins, are also doing dca on bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies that they think have potential in the market.

That's just the simple thing we do in the crypto industry field.

As long as there is a buying pressure or demand then yes it would be fine. They won't be holding for no reason, right? New investors or buyers will just continue to enter in such way which will make the market price high and this will be continuous until the last Bitcoin has been mined already. If all people will just continue holding then until when? For sure they won't do it for a lifetime. There will be always people that will choose to sell especially if they are already in need of money for certain reasons. There will always be a point that investors would choose to take profit from holding and that's a normal thing given that it is investment we are talking about. If it is balance then it will still be as long as it circulates, which is something that is exppected.

Man earns to manage his life and family well. Like we earn not only to keep investing bitcoins but we also earn to live happily with our family and wife, children. In this case we will never hold the bitcoins but we will meet our needs by selling bitcoins according to our needs. So everyone wants to live a nice life, so everyone sells more or less bitcoins and no one will ever hold bitcoins for life and never will.

In today's world, even if everyone holds their Bitcoin, big guys can still manipulate the market in centralized exchanges with very small amount in circulation. We know that volume are made with coins that don't really exist. Just like the banking system, if one day everyone tried to withdraw their coins from centralized exchanges, most of the exchanges would fail.

There are many ways to approach this, you would ideally want to keep spending more on the fiat side compared to the bitcoin side, that includes converting the crypto to fiat too. Because of the possibility of bitcoin becoming huge in price as days go on, you have to limit the amount you put in to bitcoin every month. So you have enough fiat to spend if need arises but would rarely if ever have to touch your bitcoin.

That is enough to lead a happy family while your bitcoins keep growing in their number. Nobody holds their bitcoin for ever, they always need to sell at some point, and they do.

Many are now buying Bitcoin and many are investing in Bitcoin Halving, in which case Bitcoin Halving will continue until 2027.  Those who are investing and holding Bitcoin until 2027 are actually murderers or I don't know how much they think or how much faith they have faith that the price of Bitcoin will increase.  If the price of Bitcoin goes up by more or more than that, they are more than their miners.  Money will accumulate ok I understand but it doesn't always work like mining because to work like mining you have to do proper vetting and then invest it.  Those who invested in 2023-22 and held them for 24 years at the current Bitcoin price have made a lot of money from the mining they deserve.  If this is the case then the future is looking good and expect something good from bitcoin but investing in bitcoin is not stupid I think investing in bitcoin is very good for yourself or for the future.

Yeah! it doesn't really work because if they all hold their bitcoins without spending or trading them for a longer period, they will lose their value because anything that has value has some sort of demand. If there is no supply, then there is no demand, if that is so, it will lose its value until no one is going to be interested in it. That's why we trying our best to promote bitcoins and rebut against those who are hostile against it because we don't want them to talk trash about it with their hoax and theories. Only if the circulation is low and the demand gets high the Bitcoin's price will grow not by keeping it without selling it at all.

Exactly, there are so many bitcoins and so many holders that is impossible to have a situation where every single person is refusing to sell, it's not a scenario that could actually happen. There are many people who are in just for the speculation so they are going to sell for sure, it's just a price matter.

That is why many large institutions and wants to accumulate most volume of the Bitcoin as much as possible. But they can't because 1. Most of the Bitcoin are still unknown weather it is  missing or just sleeping. 2. Many just holding it too and don't want to sell. What happens is that if the liquidity was held mostly by institutions, then they can manipulate price easier. And also if there is no transaction at all, how would price would rise going higher if no one is willing to buy and sell but only to hold.

I think the market is based on volume which can be gotten from trades with potential to increase the market volatility.
The circulating supply is also important for the price of Bitcoin to continue trending but one problem that we can see in the market is manipulation. Manipulation has been a problem for the market which is one of the reasons why even with high trading volume, the market can still rise or fall. We need to be very careful how we take trades because anything can happen in the market.

I don't think if that Will be possible, although you might decide to hold on to your bitcoin, in the process of holding it you will see challenges coming from different angles, at this point you will be left with no option than to sell your bitcoin. However If everyone has chosen to hold bitcoin that means nobody will invest in bitcoin anymore, but I know too well that is not going to be possible for everyone to hold bitcoin.

Just to add to what some other memebers have said earlier, Bitcoin balance can not run dry unless if the technology is having a serious problem that no body can be able to move out and sell their coins but if not like that happens, then different investors from around the world will always have the reason to sell their coins everyday. Remember that some people are using Bitcoin to do business (for payment) and some people are also using it to trade on centralized exchange. It is not possible for all Bitcoin investors in the world today to hold their Bitcoin for a long time.