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Hi everyone, I've been following and reading this forum for some time now and I've decided to make my first contribution here lol. I really appreciate how welcoming and kind you guys all are to strangers. I rarely see that in a forum, which made me want to be more involved here :)

I've long been a crypto enthusiast, and I also enjoy betting as a simple pleasure

However, I've grown quite bored of all the repetitive games and stale options out there. It seems like every gambling site is the same website/interface, just with a different domain name.  

My partner and I are skilled software developers by profession, so we've decided to challenge ourselves by making our own betting game.

We want to start by innovating on top of a simple game that already exists before we go all in on creating our own game from scratch (which would take months)

We've decided to start with Plinko since we're familiar with the game mechanics. I've always loved the comfort of a Lo-Fi aesthetic, so I think it would be cool to create something from that angle while being a fun game that is exclusive to everyone on the Bitcointalk forum 8)

As far as licensing goes, I take this stuff seriously. I've always been a by-the-books type of person. I know there are a lot of bandits out there, but I don't joke about this kind of stuff. I don't think anyone willing to bend the rules is someone worth respecting, especially when money is involved, no matter how small of an amount.

If someone doesn't care about the law, what makes you think they care about you and your money?

For that reason, we believe we should do KYC from the start. We're open to suggestions, however, the alternative is doing KYC at the end (during withdrawals) which would be even worse. Imagine winning a game only to have your money held up by KYC? Yuck. That's how you lose reputation overnight. People will feel like they are being scammed or caught by surprise.

I would rather be upfront. If this was my world, no KYC would exist, but I don't want to take the shortcut, only to force KYC later on just like these other Casinos have done.

KYC only has to be done once and then never again. I'm hoping that users will be willing to do it, simply because this is a unique arcade/club that we have built as a community, and cannot be replicated anywhere else.

This is a fun project that we want to build with you guys, on this forum, so i'll leave this thread open and be extremely active in getting opinions, feedback, and suggestions on what to add to this Plinko game to make it more enjoyable.

Some proposed features

• All revenue generated from this game is distributed among active players for the first few months
• Live active users count so you know who else is playing at the same time
• Solana, Bitcoin, Ethereum deposit options. No fiat for now
• Lo-fi cafe/arcade-type aesthetic

I'm hoping to launch this sometime in the next few days. Any suggestions are appreciated!! I look forward to building this together.

I understand that KYC is important, but believe me, many have already got upset by seeing this that you will make KYC mandatory. Now in this case they will go to popular casinos where Plinko is already there, rather than giving personal details to a new casino. I am not criticising you, but this is the ugly truth. Moreover if possible add PvP mode in the Plinko game. We gamblers really like to compete with other gamblers. So yes it will be really fun if you add this. Good luck with your project OP.

What do you say? There are almost no casinos left without KYC. To me now comes to mind one that offers Plinko but if you win and order a withdrawal of your money you will be processed and you may spend a month waiting, so I personally would not deposit a satoshi in that one. I don't think that KYC nowadays is a determining factor for people to decide not to bet in that casino, really.

It would be nice if the user can change the colour of the game mechanics.. like the colour of the balls or the play area or to add a Pinball game type background.

The reason for this is the boring nature of this game... just watching balls fall through pegs, gets very boring after a few hours.  ::)

You can also introduce a "Gold ball" feature that will indicate that it will hit a large multiplier, if and when it drops. This will add some extra excitement when people see it.

Great write-up op! I am interested in your project because Plinko is one of my favourite games out there, but the whole mandatory KYC stuff for a new site like yours is a major turn-off if I am being honest with you.

If you ever consider making your site KYC free for a certain time-period at the very least, it would definitely attract plenty of gamblers within this forum.

I would like to see some features for you to consider:
1. Replay feature especially for a bet where players hit big multipliers. This feature is good especially if there is also a feature to share it on chat room so other users can watch how the ball bounced and hit the big multiplier.
2. Speed adjustment; most plinko games usually comes with normal and instant speed only. Normal can be so slow or it can be too fast while instant is something where we cant see the ball at all, so if there is an option to adjust the ball speed will be nice.
3. Attractive sound for the animation, make few different sound based on which multiplier the ball landed/dropped.
4. Animation when the ball hit the biggest multiplier in played plinko board so it will give great experience for players.

That's really an amazing suggestion. Nothing is more enjoyable than the sound of coins going Kaching when you win.
He plans to share the revenue for the first few months and we don't know what will happen next.

It better be using LN for BTC since the fees are going to be a pain in the ass. If there are active users in the casino that are also in the forum, its good to hire them to market the project and share the revenue with them.

I love the idea that you want to make this exclusive for Bitcointalk users but that kuc part is not sounding good.

Trust me, a lot of users are against the idea of giving out their personal information to a service and they would prefer to use one where they won't have to undergo KYC and risk having their personal information exposed to people that might use it for illicit activity.

If I may suggest, I'd like if you could keep track of users' IP addresses or activities and only enforce kuc when you notice strange activities (although, those who are willing to undergo KYC can still do the ones who are not ready should allow to use enjoy your site without undergoing it, as long as they are not doing anything wrong. )

If they are just starting, I don't think they can enforce KYC right away. It would take time to implement such. Do take note that launching a casino may be easier but the maintenance is hard. They should have good bankroll to begin with. If they can't afford to pay winnings, how the players can be enticed to play on their site? Though the enthusiasm is there but they need to think the long-term sustenance of the site.

And also, most newly-launched sites don't require KYC because they don't have the gambling license yet. I can understand being strict with kyc if their license is already in place. But this is still in the prerogative of the team or the owners. They can be lenient in the beginning to attract potential patrons.

One think I like is seeing developers trying to get suggestions from their prospective customers which shows some
Level of respect which i admire.
I’ve also read some comments of people complaining about KYC but that’s just the bitter truth, as anyone who is expecting to play on a reputable platform that is registered should be ready to submit KYC at some trigger point and personally, I prefer a casino being sincere and straight forward with their KYC terms and I would prefer KYC during registration so one would be aware of what they intend getting involved with rather than been trapped during withdrawals and making everything difficult for the gambler.

Most times, I think we gamblers have to take things easy with developers and also try to understand that, they’re doing their best to balance the whole situation between the legal demands as well as their customers demands which isn’t always an easy task.

What you stated makes complete sense, but that logic applies to popular sites that already have a great reputation in the crypto world(Not new sites like what op proposed that are just starting out).

I would prefer if they didn't enforce KYC initially and enforced it later on while being honest and transparent about the changes.

Its no doubt that many gamblers still hate passing KYC and I don't blame them, but for me, the KYC requirement is never going to be one of reasons why I will walk away from any online casinos.

I even expect a new or old casino to request for KYC because the gambling business is always going to be a centralized thing, you should not run an online casino without the proper centralized approvals, If your online casino becomes successful and popular, you will end up in court and you will be a fine big time for running an illegal online casino because any unregistered online casino is illegal.

Every online casino that I like to use is already satisfying, when security and good customer service are top priorities, you will surely be successful with the online casino business, many people don't realize that running an online casino business is not so easy like they see, I don't blame them.

As a regular gambler, What I really like to a casino is the VIP rewards and the bonuses that doesn’t have a wagering requirements.

If you can combine Winz.io lucky spin and Blackjack.fun rakeback which is 20% based and 70% on rush hour then you can have a solid casino that is very generous. Most of the casino nowadays have a very low rakeback despite they get most of their profit when the players totally bust which means this rakeback is just minimal for them since it’s just a small percentage on players bet.

Doesnt have a wager requirement? There's no such business that they would really be doing up such thing on which they would really be that setting those requirements knowing that gamblers could luckily be able to win up that big with those free amounts. Who the hell would really be giving out free money without having no terms? They are the ones who do make their business potentially be bankrupt.

This is why it doesnt really have any sense for them to apply on having no rules. No business would really be doing that. Generous? There's no way that they would be. They can set out those good % when it comes to bonuses but you could really expect that terms and conditions or wagering requirements is something that would be hard to achieved. House do always win at the end and
those bonuses or whatever benefits or perks you could get is something that a trap i must say. lol

I wonder what's the update on OP's casino. I checked his profile and saw he was online earlier but hasn't responded on any of the replies to this thread, gave any update about the casino they are planning on creating or when it will be launched.

Hello gLanaKA, to do KYC on your site first you need a gambling license, and those aren't cheap at all. And the KYC process should be secure enough to ensure your customers that their data is secure.

If you are building this project from scratch i would like to offer you my casino software, there you will find 4 games, plinko, derby, dice, and slots. I see that you are working on a plinko game, but mine is already finished and it's probably fair. I will leave here the thread of my software, if you are interested please let me know. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5489928.0

You are right. If you are going to ask fir something then ask something reasonable. You can't except from a casino, which is a for-profit business, to give out bonuses, which is free money, without them setting some requirements such as the wagering requirement to minimize the risk of going bankrupt.

As far as I know, Curaçao license are not that expensive, at least not for someone who is intending to run a casino.

I think your proposed features have the potential to set your Plinko game apart from the rest. I find it generous to distribute revenue among active players, which can build a loyal user base. It's also good that you can offer multiple crypto deposit options for added flexibility. Once you have established Plinko, I hope you can add other simple arcade-style games that players can unlock or switch between. Another thing that I think players will like is the lo-fi aesthetic, as this style is very popular right now and can create a relaxing and enjoyable atmosphere. It would be great to have a feature for customization such as avatars and board designs, where themes like a beach theme for example, since it's summer here now, and at night maybe a galaxy theme as if in outer space, with background music chosen accordingly.

Let them be upset, it's sincerity.

As if KYC can be dodged like a bullet, many new online casinos started as a non-KYC casinos only to end up asking for KYC and this have made many people to hate them, calling them liars.

I still respect this person for saying the truth right from the beginning instead of deceiving us to gather a lot of crowd only to pull the stood from their feet later on.

I know plinko, its a good one, great graphics, superb soundtracks and complex gameplay, but easy to play and also essy to lose money, but my point is how longer can a online casino stays non-KYC? Many have already disappoint gamblers, it does feel like they can't all escape from KYC mandatory.

When it comes to plinko then it be better that he should be getting some ideas into these ff; sites or platforms.

1. Bitvest
2. Stake
3. Crypto.games

These are the sites or platforms on which i have been able to experience on playing plinko. Experience is great but
still a game which everything relies on luck and this is something that you should really be wary about.
It is really that still not that an assurance about success even if you do put up every community feedbacks and suggestions that been mentioned out.
Unique games is something that we are really that looking into this saturated market when it comes to game types and offerings.
We do really need something unique and really give out that kind of thrill.

You are simply justifying the casinos right to enforce KYC at different stages, but are overlooking how some gamblers are getting screwed by it in various ways(Hacks leading to robbery of KYC info, sites using KYC as a shield to block player money etc).

Fact is that both sides(Casino and Gamblers) aren't wrong when it comes to their respective stances. Think!

Let's be realistic, there are already dozens if not hundreds of casinos out there and it is you that may have to come up with a unique selling point to really distinguish yourselves or simply try to carve out a piece of the pie which will likely require throwing huge amounts of money at it. If I was starting fresh these days, I'd probably target one small game like dice and try to create a unique spin on it, maybe have 3 different games running that you specialize in. After you build up a reasonable user base, you could try to expand further because you'd have enough capital behind you to grow. All of the things you've mentioned and likely others here have too, are already available across many other sites.

Realistically speaking as a gambler, it’s very hard to share even the smallest part if you will start fresh using few games especially the original games since most of the gamblers these days preferred slot games despite how low the RTP is.

Popular casino offers a complete package of games including bonuses and VIP. It’s very hard to compete with them anymore using limited games and small bonuses since most of the competitors invest tons of money on their website including the bankroll. OP idea of starting fresh will surely very hard to execute or if ever he manage to create a unique game then other casino will simply just copy it and offer as original games with few variations.

Many casinos started with just one game, back in the day dice, plinko, and crash were unique games, and after starting with one soon after we would see other games added one by one. So Fortify has a good suggestion, one or more original games with a unique spin on them, or some totally new original game can attract people. And if things go well and the site gains some user base, other games will be added easily. I guess it would be a "cheaper" way to start compared to starting with lots of games, big funds for marketing, and various promotions, not to mention the need for a huge bankroll to be there to attract whales.

The OP mentioned that he is going to launch something within days of creating this thread, so we are still waiting to see what he is up to...

Of course, several types of crypto that you mentioned above are indeed popular and commonly used by many online casinos.
Addition:
If you wish, perhaps adopting several other types of crypto policies could also be of special interest for your new casino.
For example: Tether USDT, Litecoin LTC, XRP AND TRON.
I think some of the additional types of crypto above are also the center of attention for users who make deposits/withdrawals at your casino, apart from low fees, these types of crypto are also affordable.

Another suggestion, to gain the trust of users who want to use your online casino, of course you need to do several things and policies.
For example:
* Let your thread casino be run by a reputable member here.
* Try to respond to all problems that occur here at your casino to users and resolve all problems professionally and responsibly.
* If you want your casino's reputation to be good, never cheat and act beyond the capabilities of users, give them real justice

That's my advice, good luck with your new casino.

In the previous comments, users were able to suggest almost all possible features to provide the best experience on the new site. I would like to add two observations that are no less important:

- The casino should support multiple languages, because I have a firm belief that this can open the way for a wider spread of the casino in markets that are not supported by all platforms. It must always be taken into consideration that a large percentage of users are not proficient in English and may only be proficient in their local language. Of course, this is based on the fact that the casino will target the largest categories of users and is not directed to a specific community.
I know that the content of some games cannot be translated, but at least translate the terms of use and the website interface, in addition to providing support in multiple languages. I don't think it's difficult, and I don't know why not all platforms do it.

- With regard to imposing KYC verification procedures: Since it is a new casino, users will prefer platforms known for their reliability or decentralized casinos if they are forced to complete KYC procedures.
This is a painful reality that no one may want to be exposed to, especially since there are no clear solutions to overcome this, especially if the casino is operating according to legal licenses. I think casino management should deal with this in unconventional ways.

I like to start from the issue of KYC immediately upon registration or when the customer requests a withdrawal. Well, it could be done either way, it is your choice, just like others do it. But for a new casino, I think asking for the KYC completion immediately upon registration could be discouraging, some people could abandon the casino just for that reason, especially if they already have the casino that is serving them right. But still, holding a withdrawal at ransom of KYC completion is not so cool either.

Let me suggest this, perhaps, you should give the grace of 3-6 months with a counter reminding the gambler of a KYC completion. By this, you would have been fair enough and they would have tested your platform also. It would not hit them unawares and will not make you look wicked to have asked for it when they need their withdrawal.

What if they can't complete it then due to one reason or another?


I just saw your post today and it is running towards a month now without coming back to make another post. I hope you've not abandoned the project and this forum. However, the Solana, Bitcoin, and Ethereum deposit options are good but more options with low transfer fees will go a long way. Good luck!

no kyc fast pay

Yes, i do remember on how Primedice do start up as dice and decided to have that separate and making that Stake. Same goes on Crypto.games and other known websites as of this moment on which they are

solely dedicated on having that one type of game but later on they do really end up on having that multiple options when it comes to the available or number of games that you could really be able to deal with.
This do really just that proves out that these platforms are really that trying out their very best to go with changes and making up offeringso n which it would really be that getting in line on what the community does want or needs on which it is really just that a typical normal business apporhac on where these things are really that something needed.

It would really be just that depending on them if they would really be loving on staying up on the competition then they would really be needing to do it.

You’re touching on important aspects. But, to demonstrate honesty and integrity, new casinos must be transparent in their operations and comply with industry standards, right?
And this standarts includes obtaining necessary licenses. Dealing with licensing indeed often requires implementing KYC protocols to prevent fraud and ensure compliance with regulatory requirements.

How in this case new casinos will show that they are serious players in the market and also will build trust with users by ensuring a secure gambling environment?

I believe the user assume that this casino is decentralized casino since it mainly focuses on Plinko games from scratch which a decentralized casino usually have. You don’t need any license to operate if you are using decentralized feature since users doesn’t need identity in able to place bet on this kind of game. Just pure smart contract interaction.

But your point is valid if this casino will get license(which is very expensive given that he will just start from scratch just to develop a plinko games that is already available to all casino) since KYC is always required when business acquire license due to AML policy.

How's the progress of your unique casino game? After you've posted here, the thread that you've made OP has got a lot of replies but you have never come back.

You've been online yesterday and I guess that you've dropped and checked this thread out for more details.

I like that you want to have no kyc at all but sadly, this is gonna be in some rare case with small amounts but when a user has grown or when the casino has implemented an entire kyc-policy, no one can stop that implementation.

I find the thread interesting, although the op didn't come back, but I Enjoy reading what they publish here, there are such peculiar things and things with so much detail that Sometimes we don't express them, but there are Other users who do say them, but sometimes By Default or something like that you don't say them , but I think we always have to talk about all this in Every sense , because when we look for casinos sometimes we want features that help to have a better Experience in a Casino and there is Something that cannot be changed when it is already Established , but when you are Creating a caisno with all the recommendations here , you can do something Different.

OP was probably just absorbing all the information he reads in this thread, we as gamblers have a of idea to share, exactly what the casino should have to gain loyal gamblers and to attract a new one.


He can start with non KYC casino, less expensive that way as he doesn't need a permit to build a brand. However, the marketing is still the most challenging factor in running this business because the casino really have to spend money to gain gamblers that will make the business successful. I hope OP have the right amount of budget to run a successful casino.

Following the lean startup methodology, you shouldn't focus on building a great product from scratch, but a viable small one and keep growing. In other words, if you want to build a car, you should first develop and start selling skateboards, and keep growing your business until you can develop your car company and compete with the greatest manufacturers.

With casinos, I guess that it depends a lot on different legal frameworks according to different jurisdictions. I don't think you can start from scratch and ask for KYC (have you the means to custody that data securely?), but you won't be able to do it legally without KYC if you live in a country where it is mandatory. So instead of a car (casino), maybe you should think about something simpler.

What business can you start before proceeding with your goal of running a casino business? In my opinion, there's none, so you should proceed directly.

If I were to compare what people usually do when they are just starting a company, I think some of them will operate under the radar. By that, it means they are not obtaining a license first. Eventually, as the business grows and they have enough capital, they then consider legalizing their business and aiming for a bigger market.

In reality, no casino will become popular if it doesn't have a license, as the government can easily identify an unlicensed casino that is popular and find a way to force it to comply or order it to close. So what you have worked really hard for might just disappear in an instant. Therefore, we must be smart in preventing that from happening. Get a license when you can, as you have already proven your business model to be profitable.

Is this proposed casino for profit making or a corporative because you said revenue generated from it will be shared among active gamblers? It sounds interesting since active members are now partners. But this kind of arrangement will not last for a long time since you will need money to run the casino. If revenues are distributed who will bear the cost of operation when the casino is not on profit?  I hope you have the funds to make it run smoothly for the proposed months.

Besides having interesting services and games, this forum respects casinos that are fair and trustworthy. Some new casinos came up with new ideas but ended up scamming gamblers. Others failed to pay winners by giving flimsy excuses. Such casinos will end up losing the trust of the community and end up fading away. Have the vision of building a casino that will build a good reputation for a long time. Having an active and experienced customer support personnel is also very important.

Or he could have been just bored and imagined he would start a casino and blah blah...

He said he wanted to create a game from scratch but Plinko isn't really a new game at all, it's been one of the oldest games so why did he say he wanted to build from zero and then mention Plinko?

The OP hasn't logged in since April 17th, they have only made this 1 post, and they haven't responded to any posts here since making the post. Safe to say this topic is likely abandoned.

Maybe he's one of those people who creates a thread on the forums and leaves, maybe he said PLinko because it's a popular game and it can be a trigger that can attract people, but honestly if you were looking for advice, it's not a problem there. You already found them and you should be working on it, it could be that you are a dev and want to know the opinions of companies that like caisnos, what they are looking for and how you could be the best to compete against the biggest in the industry, this is something that can be generated due to the great interest and profit that can occur during its beginnings, everything is in the possibilities, I hope it comes.

I saw a similar thread there where they said that the Project was not Given to him and that is why he had to abandon all Efforts.

It is more difficult to launch new stuff if you make it too simple, nowdays these tend to be more sophisticated and the player would need to have a super-special experience if they wanted them to stay just with one game. However, it would make sense to start with a reduced number of games or try find a niche that allows a selective group of users that cannot find those somewhere else.

most likely because even that he got online in april 17 yet did not reply a single word in this
thread so its obvious that they are not interested in anything from this community.
or maybe they have realized that they are nothing to build or compete from those giant
casinos in exist to this gambling online businesses.

It takes hard and smart work to launch new things in making casinos, especially with the many already running casinos. The owner must be able to think about what they must do to attract many customers. They can add new things that have never existed in other casinos to attract their customers.

Reducing or adding games can be done after the casino is launched and it will be considered an update to the casino. What is important is how they can provide better service than other casinos. Gamblers will feel a different service if the owner can provide the best for his customers.

When everything is running, the owner must carry out promotions to develop the business. This is to be able to get more customers. In addition, existing services must be further improved.

I guess this thread can be closed, because OP has not responded to any of the suggestions and he has also not posted any updates to the progress of this project.

It would have been fun to see a new spin on the boring old Plinko, but I guess this is not going to happen anymore.

launching for couple of days but it took you couple of months yet no launch lol so what made you runlate  ;) ;) ;D

But still hoping that you will still find a Unique casino that we will all enjoy because like you I am also  bored in the same approach from each gambling games offered in crypto space.

It should be obvious by now that whatever the OP planned for their casino never really worked out or they are bogged in a myriad of problems they did not considered before, which should not be unexpected, because it is easy to imagine yourself doing something but when you actually try it, you find yourself facing a lot of problems you never imagined that were there, so it is fair to assume the idea behind this casino died before seeing the light of the day.

yeah maybe it is mate , though sometimes when we are expecting something good but all of a sudden did not come feels sadness as from day 1 i though that they will bring something new for the gamblers.
hope they will come back someday for better competition in crypto gambling.

yeah maybe he gave up about the plans or maybe their plans did not come to what they are expected and with that in mind generating capital is the biggest problem as they need to lure investors before beginning this project.
and also this is interesting site if they started because they will start from scratch and for sure will listen to everything that the community will say.

I can't imagine what kind of new things must be added when they create a new casino, because obviously with promos or bonuses they will definitely be added. Apart from that, this requires hard work, in fact I don't think they can do it alone, of course they need other people who are experts in their field, as you said by attracting lots of customers or marketing. This clearly must be paid attention to, and of course it is not easy to attract other people or get many people interested in the new casino that is being created.

with that service, that's for sure, because all casinos will definitely provide the best service to each of their customers because that will make them comfortable and trust the casino they are going to. because this also determines the reputation of the casino itself, if they provide bad service it may give their customers a bad reputation. Apart from that, in my opinion building a casino is not an easy thing, there are many aspects that must be taken into account and must be considered carefully, because this is clearly a business.

What do you mean by taking things easy with developers? I don't think any gambler is against the idea of developers.

lol
I’m not sure you actually went though the conversation or thread but rather you got just a paragraph of my post and decided to act on it but sincerely, the conversation  wasn’t just about casino developers or owners but rather about a casino seeking opinions from potential customers and the users were already suggesting for them not to have KYC on their early stage and also stay transparent and I was actually telling users to take things easy with these guys as they’re actually trying to balance the demands of these regulatory bodies with the demands of the customers which you’ll agree with me that, it’s not always an easy task.