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A new Russian-Finnish war is coming

        The Russian-Finnish War of 1939-1940 began with an ultimatum from Moscow to transfer part of the territory of Finland to the USSR, namely the Korel Isthmus and islands in the Gulf of Finland in order to ensure the security of Leningrad. In other words, the Finns recklessly placed their country too close to the city of revolutionary glory, which the insidious Finns could subject to artillery fire. As a result of the war, the Finns lost 10% of their territory and Vyborg, the second largest city in Finland. Today the threat from Finland has returned again, which, having become a NATO member, has the opportunity to fire at the same city, now St. Petersburg, with NATO missiles. Due to the fact that the threat situation has returned, we must expect a new ultimatum for the Finns to move the border beyond the flight time, that is, to move the country to the ice of the Arctic Ocean, otherwise they will suffer the same fate as Ukraine.

       03/22/2024

I highly doubt that Russia is capable of wagering a new war considering that over 2 years have not yield to them any significant result in Ukraine and Ukraine is still standing strong.Russia called a lot of reservists in September 2022 which about 50-60% of them has gone as cannon fodder so far having lost their lives or being heavily wounded from the reports we are seeing from this war.Russian army is very much weakened and their desperation is being shown everyday when they hit civilian infrastructure and kill some low number of civilians rather than hitting at military targets.The Finns now are part of NATO and Russia is not stupid to wage war against a NATO country while their army to be in a very weak state.Russia need at least 30-40 years to be able to recover the losses in manpower and military devices in Ukrainian war.

I hope that Putin does the right thing.

I agree. Even though Putin claimed that he wouldn't tolerate NATO within their borders, I don't think they're capable of waging another war, especially against Finland, which is a wealthy country. The Ukrainian-Russian war has been going on for over two years now, and it's not expected to end anytime soon.

Russia cannot afford another war; they've suffered many casualties and certainly a great deal of financial strain on their economy. I don't think they're going to go for a NATO country; Ukraine isn't in NATO and is a much poorer nation than Finland. They were expecting to conquer the whole country in a matter of a few weeks, but they were ultimately met with huge resistance due to the support from the EU and USA.

@swogerino is right, Finland won't be an easy campaign if Russia ever plans to invade because of that very fact that they've got that record of not yielding any territory to them not to mention that Russia can't probably afford any kind of split in this campaign against Ukraine and it's going to be a mistake for Putin or the Kremlin to even do so because they don't know what's going to happen next, Finland is a member of the EU right? Wouldn't this be a big thing for EU if Russia also starts doing offensive on them? I hope that this is true though, that Russia wouldn't push through any plans against Finland because the more players involved in this war, the more it's likely that we're going to see the doomsday clock get to the last minutes to midnight.

Anyway, I don't hope history will repeat itself and we'll have another new war. Conflicts on a global scale are becoming more and more tense as there are many areas in conflict, and if this time Russia and Finland go to war, I think the supporting or opposing sides will really be far away from each other war for a long time. I'm not sure if I'm misunderstanding the war, but it seems like some things are cooling off because the attention in the near future will be related to election politics, and perhaps the wars that are brewing will be hard to come by happen early.

What you say means an effective NATO - Ruzzian war, as Finland and Sweeden are NATO members. I would like to know, in your view, what would be Putin's incentives to try to invade a country that is fully reactive to his regime (politically incompatible), backed up by article five on NATO and owner of quite a decent army of its own. Also, has a common defence policy with Sweden an Norway.

Waiting here for your view on what is in Putin's head on that regard...

No doubt Russia is mightier and capable of repeating the same thing but not at the moment and be it any country regardless of it's millitary power can afford to indulge in war or conflicts at multiple fronts hence I don't think Russia will be indulging into any further conflicts and already they are involved in Syrian conflicts hence it would be a red flag.

Russia should stay away from any further conflicts else we would see repeat of USSR collapse wherein they may lose territory regions like Dagestan and Chechnya.

I don't think Russia can engage in any new major wars right now until the conflict with Ukraine is resolved. They have invested significant time and resources, yet they haven't been able to achieve victory over Ukraine. Ukraine, with continued support from the West, remains resilient. While Russia is a formidable country, given the current circumstances, I doubt we will see any new conflicts initiated by them this year.

Now you are basically mimicking Russian propaganda. I mean you are using same reasoning they will be using to justify an attack. Putin had reasons to go to war with us before that, as Finland is one of those "Lenin's mistakes" putin wants to fix.

Before 2014 we (Finland) had semi-good relationship with Russia, but starting from 2014 with the invasion of Krim, relationship with Russia started to decline, and in 2022 it ended.

We knew threat was a possibility as we have been already preparing for it over 70 years by building unbreakable supply chains and huge bunkers. But even though we were preparing, we didn't want to believe Putin would be this crazy, and in 2022, majority of our minds about nato were changed in one day. Before this, majorty of Finnish people didn't want to join into it. We saw a time window to join because we knew russia wouldn't have 2 wars at once. That would have been harder for Putin to justify, as they didn't have build enough propaganda against us yet. (They have been slowly doing that though)

We joined to nato because they saw Russia as a direct threat. We joined to prevent the war as we know Russia haven't attacked to any nato country for a reason.

Before invading Finland, they will try to shake nato alliance in every way they can but if nato holds together, i can't see why would Russia would risk it.

Meaning what? Shoot himself in the head? That would be the right thing to do.


After reading about the history of Finland I really started to like you as a nation. I feel like you've been mistreated for your actions in the WW2.
IMO Putin has no chance against NATO and you have nothing to worry about. Finland will not be taken in the next 10 years. I won't say anything about another decade, because if Russia gets support from China and they both invade a country, that country won't stand a chance, but until then Finland will have time to get nukes, so I hope you do.

Not only in this year but in years to come and the rhetoric of the many so called analysts that say they can invade other countries assuming Ukraine is already gone is completely wrong.They rely this argument on the fact that the EU and US support for Ukraine is not at the expected levels yet they have not call it a day and they are not backing off,they are supporting Ukraine for as long as it takes and this only has a tall on the Russian army and economy.

In 2000 and 2002 we have seen terror acts like that on the Crocus City Hall and it is well known tactic from Russia to wage war against Chechnya at that time in 2002 to justify that war,now they want to do the same thing with Ukraine but won't work as ISIS took claim of the terror act.

War may be the last way to resolve conflicts whether verbal or other power, so far this heroic action is very disturbing to my viewer if there is this kind of aggression. too idealistic to seize and defend. the fact is that after death there is a waste. I think Russia is crucial, and what is its goal after victory. civilians need their right to enjoy life and walk as usual. Russia faces the Nato alliance and is it not very risky? yes of course the strength will be so different even though Russia has many spare soldiers.

If there can be a no petition, I will choose not to support the war, bloodshed is an action that cannot be justified, because in conditions of war both parties will feel right and feel their rights.

A new Russian-Finnish war is coming


The only really bad thing about this is, Russia should finnish the war with Ukraine by finnishing them off, before they start another one with Finland.



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  Of course, Putin will not start a war with Finland. I wrote this article to show Putin's lie that he started a war with Ukraine because it was going to become a member of NATO, and in this case its missiles could reach Moscow. But today, due to the fact that Finland is a member of NATO and is much closer from it to Moscow and St. Petersburg, he does not start a war with the Finns, because Finland was not part of his annexation plans, unlike Ukraine.

^^^ I'm sure that the expansion of Nato causes Putin and the Russian leaders to change strategies a little. But the reasons why Russia entered Ukraine are basically two, and the Nato problem is not one of them. The two basic reasons:

1. Since 2014 the Ukraine government has been attacking Russians in the Donbas and Donetsk areas, even though these Russians were Ukrainians as well, and even though non-Russian Ukrainians were being attacked and killed at the same time.

2. Putin was maintaining a corridor to the Black Sea, as a strategic route.

Does Russia have the ability to war against Finland? Yes, easily. Poland and other nearby nations are simply trusting that Russia is not going to attack them. So, they are not ready to fight Russia, just like Finland is not ready.

The point? Russia is not in aggressive war mode. She is simply protecting her own in Ukraine... a police action like the US has been doing around the world for decades. It was Ukraine that started their war with Russia back in 2014. Russia simply responded in 2022, after trying to find ways to peace without military action for years. But Ukraine wouldn't accept peace. They showed they didn't want peace by their 2014 military activities in Donetsk.


Russian Cruise Missile Entered Polish Airspace During 'Massive' Missile Attack On Ukraine (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/360083-2024-03-24-russian-cruise-missile-entered-polish-airspace-during-massive-missile-attack.htm)

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https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russian-cruise-missile-entered-polish-airspace-during-massive-missile-attack-ukraine
Ukraine's military said it was able to intercept 18 of the missiles and 25 drones, but significantly one of the Russian cruise missiles reportedly breached Polish airspace while en route, causing Warsaw to demand answers.

Poland scrambled NATO F-16 jets in response to the breach which it said occurred at about 4:40am near the village of Oserdów on the Polish-Ukraine border.

"The object flew into Polish [air]space near the village of Oserdow (Lublin Voivodeship) and spent 39 seconds in it," Poland's Operational Command said. "It was observed by military radar systems throughout its flight." Over half a minute is a very significant amount of time for a cruise missile to spend over Poland.

Poland's Defense Minister W?adys?aw Kosiniak-Kamysz told reporters in a briefing, "As last night's rocket attack on Ukraine was one of the most intense since the beginning of the Russian aggression, all the strategic procedures were launched on time and the object was monitored until it left the Polish air space."

The incident occurred as other Russian missiles were raining down around the city of Lviv in western Ukraine, and the missile entered up to about one or two kilometers inside Poland, Kosiniak-Kamysz said.

The defense ministry in follow-up stated, "Above all, we call on the Russian Federation to stop the terrorist air attacks on the inhabitants and territory of Ukraine, end the war, and address the country's internal problems."

Since the war began there's been a few similar incidents of an errant missile entering Poland. In one of the most notable, which occurred in November 2022, it was later determined that a stray Ukrainian anti-air missile hit a Polish border village, tragically killing two people.
... (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russian-cruise-missile-entered-polish-airspace-during-massive-missile-attack-ukraine)

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I think people are still naive regards Russia. They think Russia is going to stop and get satisfied once they finish in Ukraine. What does prevent Russia from going further on northern territories and eastern Europe? Europeans are underestimating a real threat... Moreover, Putin isn't alone. He has his axis of friendly countries who may join Russia anytime formally or just keep supporting it informally on the backgrounds. To neglect the ambitions and real potential of damage Russia has isn't a smart strategy... The same mistake Europe commited with Hitler, they are commiting now with Putin by not seeing the despot as an imminent threat since a long time before his strike.

Possibly, Europeans are attempting to avoid escalating a war the maximum they can for now, and in order to do so they ignore the real intentions of the adversaries and judge themselves superior and unbeatable in a hypothetical war scenario, hoping the axis to think twice before launching an offensive.

Finland is already a russian target, as we have been watching on the news and past events. They can keep it as a target only, start a fake offensive against it to mislead NATO's attention from a territory they may be really interested in conquering, or put their efforts in a real war against the country.

It is unlikely it would happen any time soon, in my opinion.
Not only because Finland is a regular country of Europe and the consequences of an invasion would not be the same we have seen in the case of the sad invasion of Ukraine, but also because Russia is not in the position to wager war against two republics at the same time and strech their battle line further to the North.
It has been already two years since Russia decided to try to take over Ukraine and they have had to spend more resources than expected in it.

If the decided to open a new front, they it would mean an full escalation of the conflict and more countries from Europe will eventually get involved to defend Finland. Most of people do not consider Finland to be an eastern European republic anyways, but rather a Nordic country, a Nordic country which is integral part of Europe.

I am quite confidence Putin will not dare to try to attack Findland, as long as Ukraine stands in arms.

I don't see the possibility of a Russia and Finland war soonest as Russia is in a very critical war and they are putting all their strength and energy into it
Beside Russia needs to be careful with Finland knowing that Finland is a member of NATO so any thing your doing with there member countries one needs to be careful as this may need to a world war

Except for the Russian, nuclear weapon threat, I doubt that they can afford another invasion or war with another country, after what they're experiencing in Ukraine, presently. They thought that the Ukraine, invasion will be a walk in the park, I'm sure that they never envisioned what is happening now, so it's definitely a lesson for them to think twice before considering war again, even if it's a waker country.

With Finland, joining NATO, I believe that Russia, will know their boundary and not consider trespassing with a war with on a NATO member country, because they'll not be facing Finland alone, but the entire NATO alliance. This war has shown that a powerful force like Russia, can be vulnerable, they would have been better off not starting the war in the first place.

The OP has not given much of an argument for this post, I am not sure he has thought over this issue. There are, as of now and while NATO holds, not much of an incentive for Putin to try escalating so directly against a NATO country, even if he tries to make it look like a "liberation of Ruzzians" or some other idiotic propaganda proposal.

Putin received another blow from Finland, which became a NATO member, because Finland signed a security treaty with Ukraine. We must remember that Finland has claims against Russia, which took away its territories in 1940, and in the event of Russia’s defeat in the war with Ukraine, Finland will return its ancestral lands.

But Russia will win. I don't like it, either. But we can see that they will win in three major things:
1. The sanctions made Russia stronger;
2. The US and Nato are backing off the funding to Ukraine;
3. Russia is easily hanging onto the land they took from Ukraine.

How do these things show that Russia will win? They show that the behind-the-scenes controllers are making it happen this way. When the US, Nato, Ukraine, and the USD banking system fail, these controllers will set up their one-world government in Russia. The 3 things listed above are only 3 of a host of ways that show that the USD banking system is failing.

If you are not secretly part of the rising Russia, you should look into what is really going on, and warn the people of the world appropriately... rather than simply yacking about how strong the US and Nato are.

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It will not because in such case Finland would be on its own, without NATO support.
While Russia is no match for NATO, even defeated Russia is too much for Finland to handle. You're not putting a serious thought to it, are you?
How would you expect Russia to react if Finland moved the border. I suspect it would get a steady inflow of volunteers ready to defend the Motherland.


Are you really calling over 300 thousand dead Russians "easy"?
Let's just forget that Russia was at the doorstep of Kiev 2 years ago and now it's back near Donetsk.
The whole war is about less than 10% of the land Ukraine owned before it broke out. This could be compared to Mexicans invading Texas at the cost of 30% of all its active soldiers and after 2 years of war still holding only that territory.

There, corrected that for you.
Actually, it's like 400,000 dead Ukrainian soldiers, with maybe one dead Russian for every 6 or 7 dead Ukrainians.

Russia at Kiev was a 'scare' tactic. They weren't forced out. They left, because neither conquering Kiev or Ukraine is/was their goal. Again, Russia's goals with Ukraine were/are:
1. To stop the Ukraine government killing of Russians and Ukrainians in the Donetsk area; US finance has expanded a Russian police action into this war, with many more dead.
2. Stop the Nato/US encroachment that was trying to break Russia up and take it over;
3. Maintain a 'pathway' from Russia to the Black Sea... which Russia would have paid Ukraine for if Ukraine had been peaceful.

Russia is gradually advancing the front, not falling back.

The US supported Ukraine government has caused these deaths. It's the US government and banking system that is using Ukraine, and causing the deaths of a bunch of ignorant Ukrainian people who think they are defending their homeland. Look at what the Ukrainian people had in mind starting at the time of the fall of the USSR - 1991. They wanted peaceful trade with Nato and Russia. It was the US that couldn't take this. So they are 'punishing' Ukraine with limited support in the hopes that Ukraine can take out Russia. How silly!

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BADecker, enough with the off-topic. Look at the theme of the topic. It's about the possibility of a Russian-Finnish war. And you stick your posts about Ukraine everywhere. I will delete all further off-topic posts after this post. Then don't cry.

There is no need to respond to my post.

I don't think so. I think Putin is hell-bent on conquering Ukraine first.

And if NATO/US does not help or helps too late, he might succeed.

Russian Kharkiv offensive will probably start soon to divert resources from the south.

I think next countries to fall after Ukraine will be Moldova, Lithuania, Latvia, and Estonia.

His plans are probably to control Bulgaria and Romania before going after Finland.

Maybe he will push to control Poland as well (Polish farmers anyone? lol). Slovakia and Hungary have been bought and paid for.

You did not understand the sarcasm, I meant that if in 1940 Russia had a reason to attack Finland, today this reason has returned due to joining NATO. Look, Putin said that he attacked Ukraine only because it could join NATO, and the Finns have already joined NATO, but Putin is silent. This means that Putin is lying, and the reason for the war with Ukraine is completely different, namely, Putin wants to restore the empire within the borders of the USSR and started with Ukraine and Georgia.


I mean that if Russia loses the war with Ukraine, then it will collapse in the future like any colonial empire, and then Finland will regain its lost territories.


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There is a legend that one day Philip II (father of Alexander the Great) sent a letter to the Spartans with the following content: “I have conquered all of Greece, I have the best army in the world. Surrender, because if I capture Sparta by force, if I break its gates, if I break through its walls with battering rams, I will mercilessly destroy your gardens, enslave your people and destroy the city!”

He received a short answer from the Spartans: “If”.

There are two expressions - "if" and
"if this happened." So in the first one, all options are open.

I am not sure where this is coming from. It's a running joke here in Finland that we should get Karjala (Karelia) back, but that's just from memes and jokes. No one in here is seriously suggesting that. And Russia would have hard time invading Finland even without Nato. Soviet Union has tried it before and we were way less prepared for it back then. For starters, territory is way more difficult for invasion, and Finnish armed forces have thought countless war scenarios and prepared (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n949hv2fQlE) for them.

One example of such jokes in a sketch:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlh1woCfQPM

 The jokes will end as soon as the Russian Empire begins to fall apart. Karelia will return to Finland along with Vyborg - the second largest city in Finland.

Wasn't this thread about Russian-Finnish war? How is that going to happen if Russia breaks down? Or are you talking after that?

And Russia felling apart is a whole new conversation, as determining how it will get divided and who would rule these sections is anyone's guess.

But i don't get why you think Karelia or Vvborg would just get "returned" to Finland. Huge majority of karelians are russians now and i don't believe they would be anxious to join whole another country with a hardcore level mother language. And while Vyborg might have been 2nd biggest city in those days standards, current population of it wouldn't cut anywhere near top, and majority of their population is swedish/russians origins too.

Finland didn't get Karelia or Vvborg when Soviet union fell either, nor Finland requested that. Russia falling down again doesn't mean that russians stop existing and they will start under china / usa / finland flag or something.

I proceed from the fact that Russia is an empire, and therefore it will not avoid collapse, like all empires. Russia will cease to exist and shrink to Muscovy. Its border to the East will be limited to Tatarstan. The Caucasus will be completely freed from the dictates of the Kremlin. I have an old article “When the Donkey Dies,” I’ll post it now.

I have my own opinions and views on why Russia could be an empire and much of it comes from their past and they way they act today, however, since you seem to be very involved in these political arguments and news, I would like to know your opinion on why Russia is an empire nowadays. If you don't mind sharing, that is.
Also, if we say Russia is an empire then under the same logic we are supposed to also point out other countries like the United States and the European Union are also organizations which could be categorized as empires. Are we supposed to also assume the downfall of the United States and the European Union is unevitable?

By the way, some coworker of mine just showed some podcast he was listening to, a speech of Putin about the West and the Allies of the USA, and I must say the Russian progapanda is quite a thing. He has completely turned into a pro-Russian person and despises the United States.
The influence of the Kremlin in Latin America is not supposed to be underestimated...

If things continue in this pattern, the entire Europe would be a war come soon and that is what we don't want to see.
I think we need to ask the question when the Finnes could afford a war with the Russians? This is going to be an expensive war if it ever happens and I don't think the world is ready for disaster as a result of war with Russia. There is no need for any how because this should not be a means of retaliation because there land was taken from them. The world need to embrace peace before it's too late.