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Title: Is gambling problem or anything related to addiction is an off-topic?
Post by: Eternad on April 05, 2024, 02:35:10 PM
Recently my thread related to sign of early gambling addiction thread was moved to off-topic. I’m not questioning the mods decision but I want to clarify what’s real rules on what should be on topic discussion on gambling discussion board.

This kind of topic was allowed before since addiction is a huge part of gambling in general. I just want to know what’s the real stand of mods on this kind of topics so we can improve and avoid.

Please create a sticky thread for all the rules on gambling discussion board to have a proper guidelines. Thanks admin!


Title: Re: Is gambling problem or anything related to addiction is an off-topic?
Post by: Oshosondy on April 05, 2024, 02:38:00 PM
It is possible that some moderators are bored already as they see more topics to be about gambling discussion. But in my opinion, I think gambling addiction threads should be on gambling discussion. It is one if the benefits we have on the gambling discussion board for people to avoid gambling addiction.


Title: Re: Is gambling problem or anything related to addiction is an off-topic?
Post by: PX-Z on April 05, 2024, 02:45:14 PM
Yeah, i noticed this too since i replied there. What i can only think is due to "repeated topic/discussion" which is not really, specifically. If you will think on that way, the "addiction topic" threads will be lesser to discuss there since it will be labeled as "off-topic", maybe sports and issue related discussions will only last.


Title: Re: Is gambling problem or anything related to addiction is an off-topic?
Post by: Davidvictorson on April 05, 2024, 02:45:59 PM
Thank you for bringing this up. Another user wrote about something similar some days back.

I am not one of the mods and wouldn't claim to have authoritative knowledge on why this is happening because since that topic till the one, there have been at least two topics in the gambling board that have been moved to.

My guess is that gambling addiction topics have been discussed over and over again that there are no new replies. Just the same thing said in a different way.

Maybe the mods want to see core gambling topics that discusses guides, tips, how tos, reports in sports betting, casino games and other gambling subjects.



Title: Re: Is gambling problem or anything related to addiction is an off-topic?
Post by: Eternad on April 05, 2024, 02:47:15 PM
It is possible that some moderators are bored already as they see more topics to be about gambling discussion.

This is the part which I’m confused, before this kind of topic was allowed because there’s still a lot of old thread that is same with this discussion. I believe last week some mods put a lot of gambling thread on off-topic that’s why I’m curious if something is changed on the gambling discussion board rules.

I understand the part that it’s already boring sometimes but there’s a time that the topic is situational that makes it unique than other related thread.

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But in my opinion, I think gambling addiction threads should be on gambling discussion. It is one if the benefits we have on the gambling discussion board for people to avoid gambling addiction.

I totally agree on this. I use gambling discussion thread to vent all my feelings about gambling that I can express in real life due to my family cuture that doesn’t approve gambling as source of entertainment.

Maybe the mods want to see core gambling topics that discusses guides, tips, how tos, reports in sports betting, casino games and other gambling subjects.

This is exactly what I want to know. What’s the mod preference so that we will be informed the next time we create a topic. Because even sports discussions is just repeating and the only difference is the team involved but the gameplay is usually have same pattern.


Title: Re: Is gambling problem or anything related to addiction is an off-topic?
Post by: Alpha Marine on April 05, 2024, 02:49:32 PM
The way I see it, if it's a topic about addiction in general then it can be "off-topic" or "politics and society", but if it's strictly on gambling addiction, I think the best place for a topic like that is in the gambling discussion board. I don't think there's any gambler on this forum that doesn't visit the gambling board so what better place would you place a topic on gambling addiction so the target audience can see it? I guess the moderator has his reasons, but I feel a topic about gambling addiction should be in the gambling discussion.

Just like @Oshosondy said, I guess the moderators are tired of seeing topics of gambling addiction, but I don't think a topic like that can be overemphasized. Gambling addiction is a problem and all we can do is create more awareness about it. It doesn't mean we'll keep creating the same topics, but different people have different views on a particular matter.


Title: Re: Is gambling problem or anything related to addiction is an off-topic?
Post by: Adbitco on April 05, 2024, 02:51:33 PM
Deeply looking towards the gambling board you would see that there are lots of topics or post that are related to gambling addition, where mods or admin could start seeing them as spamming. I think gambling addiction post should be pinned on the gambling discussion board to reduce gambling addiction post.
If any mod move those topics to off-topic board then we can assume that the topic itself is a low quality effort post, instead of the post to belong to the gambling section they may decides to move them to section where it's belongs.


Title: Re: Is gambling problem or anything related to addiction is an off-topic?
Post by: Orpichukwu on April 05, 2024, 02:56:43 PM
I just went and checked my post history upon seeing this post, and I noticed that about 2 threads where I made comments have been moved to off-topic too. Upon visiting off-topic, I can see about 5 different threads relating to gambling discussion, and the contributions in them are gambling-related. 
 
Either the moderators have new news on things that will be seen on the gambling discussion board or the kind of contribution that is given on those threads are the reasons why they move the thread off-topic. I really can't tell, and it will be much appreciated if any of the moderators, at their convenience, can clear the air.


Title: Re: Is gambling problem or anything related to addiction is an off-topic?
Post by: dzungmobile on April 05, 2024, 02:59:57 PM
Stop creating valueless topics, you will have less topics to be moved to Off-topic board.

1. No zero or low value, pointless or uninteresting posts or threads. [1][e]

Days ago, another user ask about similar issue.
Can a moderator be wrong? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5491233.0)

You must understand that a topic will be moved to Off-topic or Trash can if it has zero or low value, that's it. Don't think if you create a topic about Gambling but later it will be moved to Off-topic or even trashed.

The Serious Discussion board now is like a circus there. Years after some restrictions from theymos on that board, it has already became another board for spam.

Rules for Serious Discussion and Ivory Tower (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2722359.0)
Two new no-signature boards (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2716647.0)


Title: Re: Is gambling problem or anything related to addiction is an off-topic?
Post by: Eternad on April 05, 2024, 03:12:08 PM
Stop creating valueless topics, you will have less topics to be moved to Off-topic board.

1. No zero or low value, pointless or uninteresting posts or threads. [1][e]


This is very subjective to me either. Aside from sports discussion, gambling addiction or gambling problems will always be part of gambling.

My topic is about experience sharing on how gambling addiction start to each gambler we have different cases due to our gameplay. I personally value opinions on gambling it’s the way we share our hardships on gambling as fellow gambler.


Title: Re: Is gambling problem or anything related to addiction is an off-topic?
Post by: dzungmobile on April 05, 2024, 03:19:14 PM
This is very subjective to me either. Aside from sports discussion, gambling addiction or gambling problems will always be part of gambling.

My topic is about experience sharing on how gambling addiction start to each gambler we have different cases due to our gameplay. I personally value opinions on gambling it’s the way we share our hardships on gambling as fellow gambler.
My post is generic because I did not check your topic.

Again, another generic fact, two topics about same issue, one can stay and one can be trashed. It depends on how you write it and how quality or value for discussion it has.

Example, two topics about "What is blockchain?"

If your topic has broken idea, information, and more bad things, it will be trashed.


Title: Re: Is gambling problem or anything related to addiction is an off-topic?
Post by: EL MOHA on April 05, 2024, 03:32:17 PM

This kind of topic was allowed before since addiction is a huge part of gambling in general. I just want to know what’s the real stand of mods on this kind of topics so we can improve and avoid.

I think the mods are looking at gambling addiction threads are more like it is becoming a thing of Redundancy. Even though the issue is a serious one, constantly creating new threads for it with almost same discussions on it is becoming something that bores the mods this days. Or shouldn’t we be looking at it that they might have been people who are actually actively reporting this threads this days, same thing was happening to similar league threads created before and I think the gambling addiction discussion threads is looking like something many People this days do not like and they are reporting it.

One thing I will like to point out is, since if they move the topic to off topic why is that many people do not longer engage on it again, yes there is the issue of not spotting it due to that board been on ignore by some members but the major thing is many people stop posting their because it doesn’t add to their post counts


Title: Re: Is gambling problem or anything related to addiction is an off-topic?
Post by: Doan9269 on April 05, 2024, 04:18:44 PM
Recently my thread related to sign of early gambling addiction thread was moved to off-topic. I’m not questioning the mods decision but I want to clarify what’s real rules on what should be on topic discussion on gambling discussion board.

I noticed that there have been more and frequent threads that talks about gambling addiction when there are more other aspects of discussions they can create threads on, we just don't have to keep repeated a particular topic or aspect in a discussion when there should be more other relevant contributions or post we can make in which have not been discussed of recent by other members, so i think the moderators are sing more of these and such has given them the urge to make decision on taking some of these related topics to off topic as they may applies.


Title: Re: Is gambling problem or anything related to addiction is an off-topic?
Post by: LTU_btc on April 05, 2024, 06:42:12 PM
I didn't saw before that such kind of topics would be moved to off-topic. In gambling discussion board you can see similar topics probably daily and when it turn into spam megathread it get locked by mods. But usually it stays there without moving anywhere.
We can only guess what's the reason why topic was moved without hearing something from mod who did it. Maybe their position that there is already enough similar topics and that such topics generate too much spam. But it's only guess.


Title: Re: Is gambling problem or anything related to addiction is an off-topic?
Post by: Zlantann on April 05, 2024, 06:56:06 PM
My guess is that gambling addiction topics have been discussed over and over again that there are no new replies. Just the same thing said in a different way.

Maybe the mods want to see core gambling topics that discusses guides, tips, how tos, reports in sports betting, casino games and other gambling subjects.

From my little experience in this forum, most posts are moved to the relevant board within a short time. What makes this issue more concerning is that most of these posts have gained so much attention and comments from posters before they are suddenly moved. If these posts are moved to off-topic a few minutes after they are posted, it will pose less challenge. If the Mods feel that gambling addiction posts will no longer be welcomed in the forum, it should be made public so that such threads will stop springing up consistently. But I think these gambling addiction topics are very important because we should always promote responsible gambling and these threads contains new lessons that can guide gamblers to avoid addiction. But I also agree that original posters should put in some effort before coming up with these gambling topics.


Title: Re: Is gambling problem or anything related to addiction is an off-topic?
Post by: Majestic-milf on April 05, 2024, 08:22:38 PM
 You are bothered that if your post(which is gamble related) could be moved to off topic probably because it's like a repetition of other topic treated, why haven't others which seems like yours being treated that way, huh? Well maybe the mods know better. Maybe they became bored by the increasing number of repeated posts on gambling addictions and decided to cut down, only sad thing was they chose to pick your topic.
 No matter how informative you felt the topic was, I feel that since it has been discussed before, you are only making more room for spam, instead of creating a thread for it, why not go and reply in the thread it has already been talked about.


Title: Re: Is gambling problem or anything related to addiction is an off-topic?
Post by: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on April 05, 2024, 08:22:59 PM
This topic: "Gambling kills the fun in these two cases (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5491526.msg63898311#msg63898311)" It was created on the gambling board, but it also got moved to off-topic. Since 2022 through last year, I have not seen that topics like these have been moved to off-topic, but from the look of things and judging by more than four similar topics, including yours, that have been moved to the office topics, someone can assume that the reason why moderators decided to move those topics is because they have been discussed over and over again.A user has even suggested in the past that a thread should only be created specifically for gambling addiction discussion, but I think that that idea was ignored.

From my own point of view, those topics actually qualify as gambling topics, but it seems the moderator has their own reasons for moving those topics off-topic. Instead of moving it to an off-topic board, I would have suggested that such a topic  be locked immediately after it gets created.


Title: Re: Is gambling problem or anything related to addiction is an off-topic?
Post by: Faisal2202 on April 05, 2024, 09:17:27 PM
This topic: "Gambling kills the fun in these two cases (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5491526.msg63898311#msg63898311)" It was created on the gambling board, but it also got moved to off-topic. Since 2022 through last year, I have not seen that topics like these have been moved to off-topic, but from the look of things and judging by more than four similar topics, including yours, that have been moved to the office topics, someone can assume that the reason why moderators decided to move those topics is because they have been discussed over and over again.A user has even suggested in the past that a thread should only be created specifically for gambling addiction discussion, but I think that that idea was ignored.
Great work in finding these stats, this really indicates that the only reason behind moving these topics to an off-topic section is because the see threads have been made many times. Although I am not a regular visitor to the Gambling section but I have posted there for few times. And TBH I also saw similar kinds of topics in that section and I posted there a long ago.. So if the same type of topics will be discussed again and again I suggest they deserve placed in off-topic.

The uniqueness should be present in the topic, if you are making a topic on gambling addiction, then try to make it more unique so that it won't resemble with the previous ones. I hope you got the point. But I was expecting one moderator to reply to this thread at least. As we don't really see them replying to the acts they do, even if they are right, and we are just exploring the reason, still they don't reply, as I have seen one replying back to us, so I can assume they are not restricted to reply back to us. So, Why are they not here giving some official statement/cause?


Title: Re: Is gambling problem or anything related to addiction is an off-topic?
Post by: acroman08 on April 05, 2024, 11:12:54 PM
It's obviously not off-topic but the mod who moved the thread to the off-topic board probably has their reason for doing it.

The uniqueness should be present in the topic, if you are making a topic on gambling addiction, then try to make it more unique so that it won't resemble with the previous ones.
I feel like this is one of the reason why it was moved. The mod thought the content was too generic or too shallow(no offense to the OP) and decided to move it to off-topic.


Title: Re: Is gambling problem or anything related to addiction is an off-topic?
Post by: UmerIdrees on April 06, 2024, 04:17:41 AM
Great work in finding these stats, this really indicates that the only reason behind moving these topics to an off-topic section is because the see threads have been made many times. Although I am not a regular visitor to the Gambling section but I have posted there for few times. And TBH I also saw similar kinds of topics in that section and I posted there a long ago.. So if the same type of topics will be discussed again and again I suggest they deserve placed in off-topic.

If a topic is repeated and discussed many times, the thread can be locked by the mods. There is no reason to move the thread to ths off-topic section. Also the off-topic section is for "Other topics that might be of interest to bitcoiners." and not for the repeated topics of others sections to be moved there.

If you visit the off-topic section, you will notice a lot of gambling discussion topics moved recently to the off-topic section including those threads that were very old ones too, for example

Who does gambling addiction affect the most? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5480976.0)

 Gambling addiction is not about the money you could win; it's about the "win" (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5491394.0)

Does having children have an influence on gambling habits? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5487126.0)

 Do you regret also for ever knowing about gambling? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5477121.0)

I think the mods need to tell why they moved these topics to off-topic when they clearly belongs to Gambling discussion board.
If there is any change in the gambling discussion topic selection, then it must be communicated across the board to avoid confusions.


Title: Re: Is gambling problem or anything related to addiction is an off-topic?
Post by: Poker Player on April 06, 2024, 05:14:42 AM
I just reported one and thought of this thread:

Gambling problems on different races  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5491726.0)

Really? As if there weren't enough threads on that topic to have another one about what's supposed to happen with gambling supposedly to people of different races. Plus the dumbass in the OP confuses "races" with economic and socio-cultural contexts.


Title: Re: Is gambling problem or anything related to addiction is an off-topic?
Post by: Eternad on April 06, 2024, 12:03:56 PM
Another topic that moved to off-topic despite the discussion is all about gambling.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5487686.0


I have a suggestion regarding this issue, Instead of moving it to the off-topic board which is not the best place to discuss this topic no matter how low the quality because it's still on-topic to the board.

What if we dedicated another child board to the gambling section for this kind of discussion for gambling addiction and other gambling problems should be discussed there while maintaining the gambling discussion board for sports, strategy and other stuff related to gambling gameplay?

Is this a viable solution sir @hilariousandco?


Title: Re: Is gambling problem or anything related to addiction is an off-topic?
Post by: Mpamaegbu on April 06, 2024, 03:40:03 PM
My guess is that gambling addiction topics have been discussed over and over again that there are no new replies. Just the same thing said in a different way.
That's my guess too. The redundancy of such a topic for discussion would've made it boring to mods who possibly have realized that such topics cause spamming on the forum. To abate spamming, moving such topics to the "Off-Topic" section easily do the magic. That won't be far from mods decision for moving OP's thread. Users in signature campaigns have less allure posting there because posts in Off-Topic don't count towards the weekly quota in signature campaigns.


Title: Re: Is gambling problem or anything related to addiction is an off-topic?
Post by: CryptoHeadlineNews on April 06, 2024, 05:30:59 PM
Deeply looking towards the gambling board you would see that there are lots of topics or post that are related to gambling addition, where mods or admin could start seeing them as spamming. I think gambling addiction post should be pinned on the gambling discussion board to reduce gambling addiction post.
Yes, you are absolutely right on what you said, because failure of we having a singular thread for all gambling related discussion is the reason for the repetition of threads, which was moved to off-topic of recent by the moderators in charge, Because truly if only we had singular dedicated threads such as "Gambling addiction & solution, Gambling Advice, Gambling tips & tricks" e.t.c where all new & old gambling discussion are been made just like in the case of "Premier league prediction, La Liga, Bundesliga, Basketball and Cricket", this would have drastically deduced the rate at which people make duplicate threads, most especially newbie forum users.

Hence, making a clear new rules by our moderators about what likely to be a potential gambling off-topic or full topic will go a long way saving many from creating a topic that will later be move to off-topic board. Thanks


Title: Re: Is gambling problem or anything related to addiction is an off-topic?
Post by: stompix on April 06, 2024, 05:44:19 PM
My topic is about experience sharing on how gambling addiction start to each gambler we have different cases due to our gameplay. I personally value opinions on gambling it’s the way we share our hardships on gambling as fellow gambler.

Common, be honest, what did your topic have that the rest didn't?

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I'm always wondering how an addiction starts for everyone because I'm sure that we have different experiences with gambling that will contribute to an addiction. Frequently gambling is one of the most common reasons why a player gets addicted. So I'm thinking before you become involved in frequent gambling behaviour what is the sign that you notice that you are doing when you gamble?

Mine is I always check my wallet balance to check my current profit then place a small bet without any reason just to gamble and increase my profit. This makes me gamble frequently because of the greediness to earn more until I become hooked and worst is when I lose everything on a bad day.

You're asking people to share what they think on gambling addiction, and what a surprise the same people reply with the same stuff that they posted on a different topic with the same theme but rephrasing their former posts.
Furthermore, after getting 50 replies in 24 hours, after being moved to off-topic there is not a single one, you do realize just as well that everyone did that for their quota, right?

And here we go, another one
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5491817.0

Seriously what do you think will come out of those?

I would move all those topics about the experience,the fun, family and addiction that involves gambling to offtopic and leave the gambling section for gambling on sport and odds discussions only!

I have a suggestion regarding this issue, Instead of moving it to the off-topic board which is not the best place to discuss this topic no matter how low the quality because it's still on-topic to the board.

Again, I'm asking you to be honest!
The only real problem with the topic being off-topic is that CM don't pay for a post in off-topic!
Nobody is stopping people from commenting there, but they don't because they don't give a f-word about something they are not getting paid for.



Title: Re: Is gambling problem or anything related to addiction is an off-topic?
Post by: uchegod-21 on April 06, 2024, 07:39:37 PM
In bitcoin discussion board for instance, any post talking about bitcoin and its investment will not be regarded as an off topic. If you take same standard to the gambling and gambling discussion sub boards, any thread containing gambling key words ought not to be an off topic. But most times, it is not so. It is always at the discretion of the board moderator to check if such a topic is repetitive. It might not be an off topic thread, but if it is repetitive and generic, it could be moved to off topic or be trashed.

My guess is that gambling addiction topics have been discussed over and over again that there are no new replies. Just the same thing said in a different way.
That's my guess too. The redundancy of such a topic for discussion would've made it boring to mods who possibly have realized that such topics cause spamming on the forum. To abate spamming, moving such topics to the "Off-Topic" section easily do the magic. That won't be far from mods decision for moving OP's thread. Users in signature campaigns have less allure posting there because posts in Off-Topic don't count towards the weekly quota in signature campaigns.
Most of the signature participants promoting casino are not grounded in gambling discussions so they tend to create generic gambling related posts where post quotas would be completed.


Title: Re: Is gambling problem or anything related to addiction is an off-topic?
Post by: Rruchi man on April 06, 2024, 08:38:33 PM
This kind of topic was allowed before since addiction is a huge part of gambling in general.
They were allowed and overlooked before, but now the mods in the gambling board are fed up, and have decided to become active to reduce spamming and low quality topics.  In the recent weeks, many topics have been moved to the off topic board, but in the gambling board, I still see some new topics and old ones that may likely still end up being moved by the mods.

If the mods can give a hint on discussions that they deem gambling worthy, it will help.

Also, If the gambling board is now being cleaned of spammers and low quality posts, I hope also that there will be an increase in merit distribution there to the quality topics made in that board, that are gambling discussion worthy.


Title: Re: Is gambling problem or anything related to addiction is an off-topic?
Post by: SmartGold01 on April 06, 2024, 09:10:43 PM
It is possible that some moderators are bored already as they see more topics to be about gambling discussion.

This is the part which I’m confused, before this kind of topic was allowed because there’s still a lot of old thread that is same with this discussion. I believe last week some mods put a lot of gambling thread on off-topic that’s why I’m curious if something is changed on the gambling discussion board rules.
Sincerely speaking I don't get it confused because most times when you go the gambling discussion board you would find same topic and same discussion repeating itself over and over, sometimes people do create such topic to complete their post quota which I think is very bad, at least there have been old post or topic that speaks about gambling addiction why not raise and activate those topic back so that we can continue the discussion over there than creating same topic and repeating discussions. To my notice Gambling addictions comes in every single day up-to 2 and above, so this might get them take that decision to move most of the topics to off-topic. Bet me or not, try create a newer topic that doesn't related to gambling addiction and you will have it stick there.


Title: Re: Is gambling problem or anything related to addiction is an off-topic?
Post by: BitcoinGirl.Club on April 06, 2024, 11:15:47 PM
The problem with the gambling board I noticed is, there are many topics with similar discussion idea. There are no need for that. Consider premier league.

Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024
⚽ Premier League 2023/2024 Discussion Thread ⚽
⚽ English Premier League Season: 2023/2024 New

Give me reason why we need three [I am sure there are more] threads we need? Everyone wants to have their own thread. Keep one and move many of these to off-topic too. It does not need a rule.


Title: Re: Is gambling problem or anything related to addiction is an off-topic?
Post by: KingsDen on April 06, 2024, 11:47:07 PM
The problem with the gambling board I noticed is, there are many topics with similar discussion idea. There are no need for that. Consider premier league.
Upto 3 English premier League threads running concurrently.

Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024
⚽ Premier League 2023/2024 Discussion Thread ⚽
⚽ English Premier League Season: 2023/2024 New
I think the first is the oldest and mega thread about 5000+ pages. I think the author renamed it this season. There shouldn't be a need to rename it. It should be left for Premier League discussion, past, present and the future.
The second one was created for this season and it has already spanned to 100+ pages, I don't think that moderators would like to move it.

Give me reason why we need three [I am sure there are more] threads we need? Everyone wants to have their own thread. Keep one and move many of these to off-topic too. It does not need a rule.

Jollygood has a premier League thread also. Although his is self moderated. Maybe moderators do not moderate a self moderated thread.


Title: Re: Is gambling problem or anything related to addiction is an off-topic?
Post by: BitcoinGirl.Club on April 06, 2024, 11:55:01 PM
I think the first is the oldest and mega thread about 5000+ pages. I think the author renamed it this season.
The first thread gives you everything to discuss about Premier league. So what it's a mega thread? We don't have WO post twitter link, WO chartbuddy, WO homer, WO green dildo. We only have one WO.


Title: Re: Is gambling problem or anything related to addiction is an off-topic?
Post by: Eternad on April 07, 2024, 05:11:00 AM
I have a suggestion regarding this issue, Instead of moving it to the off-topic board which is not the best place to discuss this topic no matter how low the quality because it's still on-topic to the board.

Again, I'm asking you to be honest!
The only real problem with the topic being off-topic is that CM don't pay for a post in off-topic!
Nobody is stopping people from commenting there, but they don't because they don't give a f-word about something they are not getting paid for.



With all due respect and honesty. My statement is about clarifying about the current general rules on gambling discussion board.

Be honest too, is this topic not related to gambling discussion board? How come is this an off-topic on gambling if it’s all about gambling. Even if the discussion is just a repetition of other topic, this is common even on Bitcoin discussion board and others especially price speculation.

If the mods preferred sports discussion and other specific then “gambling discussion” board descriptions should be specific. This is for reference on the future post as guidelines. I’m not even asking to move those off topic thread back on gambling discussion board.

at least there have been old post or topic that speaks about gambling addiction why not raise and activate those topic back so that we can continue the discussion over there than creating same topic and repeating discussions. To my notice Gambling addictions comes in every single day up-to 2 and above, so this might get them take that decision to move most of the topics to off-topic. Bet me or not, try create a newer topic that doesn't related to gambling addiction and you will have it stick there.

Those old topic is already locked or you might necro bump a topic that is too old. The best solution here is to provide a separate child board or one general thread for this kind of topic if mods doesn’t preferred discussion like this.



Title: Re: Is gambling problem or anything related to addiction is an off-topic?
Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on April 07, 2024, 05:38:37 AM
This is the part which I’m confused, before this kind of topic was allowed because there’s still a lot of old thread that is same with this discussion. I believe last week some mods put a lot of gambling thread on off-topic that’s why I’m curious if something is changed on the gambling discussion board rules.
IMO threads about gambling addiction should either stay in the gambling section or get merged if they're essentially the same, not moved to Off-Topic.  General gambling topics and those about problem gambling go hand in hand, so it's kind of a no-brainer.

Plus I've seen so, sooooo many "Bitcoin or gold" threads in Bitcoin Discussion over the years, and those seemingly never get moved, merged, or trashcanned.  I've always thought any new thread with a title like that should be deleted by the mods on sight, and unfortunately I don't have the power to do it myself (lol).


Title: Re: Is gambling problem or anything related to addiction is an off-topic?
Post by: Eternad on April 07, 2024, 01:45:00 PM
This is the part which I’m confused, before this kind of topic was allowed because there’s still a lot of old thread that is same with this discussion. I believe last week some mods put a lot of gambling thread on off-topic that’s why I’m curious if something is changed on the gambling discussion board rules.
IMO threads about gambling addiction should either stay in the gambling section or get merged if they're essentially the same, not moved to Off-Topic.  General gambling topics and those about problem gambling go hand in hand, so it's kind of a no-brainer.

Plus I've seen so, sooooo many "Bitcoin or gold" threads in Bitcoin Discussion over the years, and those seemingly never get moved, merged, or trashcanned.  I've always thought any new thread with a title like that should be deleted by the mods on sight, and unfortunately I don't have the power to do it myself (lol).

Thanks for a valuable opinion about this topic. I notice many repetitive thread not only on Bitcoin board but also on altcoins and other boards in the forum but none of them move to off-topic no matter how useless it is anymore.

I saw new topic on gambling discussion that might move to off-topic later since it’s almost the same to the recent topic that moved. Maybe some user is still not aware about this changes.



Title: Re: Is gambling problem or anything related to addiction is an off-topic?
Post by: Faisal2202 on April 07, 2024, 06:23:54 PM
I think the mods need to tell why they moved these topics to off-topic when they clearly belongs to Gambling discussion board.
If there is any change in the gambling discussion topic selection, then it must be communicated across the board to avoid confusions.
Thanks for bringing it in front of our eyes. I did not know many other old topics as well have been moved to off-topic as well. If that's the case then the moderators should really shed light on it, like why did they moved these topics there. As you aforementioned, if there is some change in the rules then that should be told otherwise people would be wasting their posts as they might end up in the off section as well.

Although I am not a regular poster in the gambling section, but still I understand how it feels when your post is wasted, even if you had made good efforts in it. TBH besides this, some of my posts are deleted by the forum as well. I put good efforts into them, (it's not frequent but a very rare case, as 1 out of 300 maybe). It was actually a sef-moderated topic and my post got deleted for some reason. Well, the point is a proper reason should be given as well.


Title: Re: Is gambling problem or anything related to addiction is an off-topic?
Post by: Mia Chloe on April 07, 2024, 06:41:04 PM
Anything like a topic, game or something in general related to gambling is supposed to be a thread in the gambling board. If a post can't fit in any board based on its context and content, then it's suitable for the off topic board.
However I personally have noticed that it seems the moderators have taken their job more seriously probably they were initially ignoring such posts before but currently they aren't. The gambling board has a lot of repeated topics and discussions but I guess it's what's keeping it flowing. Moderators are probably creating this notion that posts In the gambling board should be more creative else they would simply be moved to the off topic section.


Title: Re: Is gambling problem or anything related to addiction is an off-topic?
Post by: mirakal on April 07, 2024, 10:59:01 PM
My guess is that gambling addiction topics have been discussed over and over again that there are no new replies. Just the same thing said in a different way.
That's my guess too. The redundancy of such a topic for discussion would've made it boring to mods who possibly have realized that such topics cause spamming on the forum. To abate spamming, moving such topics to the "Off-Topic" section easily do the magic. That won't be far from mods decision for moving OP's thread. Users in signature campaigns have less allure posting there because posts in Off-Topic don't count towards the weekly quota in signature campaigns.
Well, you have a point. Although gambling addiction discussion is essential to warn present and future gamblers, but the reality that it’s become almost the majority’s topic, then probably the mods will no longer want to entertain any of those things related and moving it to off-topic would be the easiest move. So as much as possible, we posters should be careful in selecting threads to answer, that is not becoming redundant in the gambling discussion board, otherwise our efforts in posting will be put into waste.


Title: Re: Is gambling problem or anything related to addiction is an off-topic?
Post by: Poker Player on April 08, 2024, 05:08:37 AM
Well, you have a point. Although gambling addiction discussion is essential to warn present and future gamblers, but the reality that it’s become almost the majority’s topic, then probably the mods will no longer want to entertain any of those things related and moving it to off-topic would be the easiest move. So as much as possible, we posters should be careful in selecting threads to answer, that is not becoming redundant in the gambling discussion board, otherwise our efforts in posting will be put into waste.

I, however, see a negative point to this. I have seen a few threads moved from the Gambling section to off topic. If this happens regularly I think that instead of leading to less spam it will create more. Why? Because if people have to have a minimum of 10 posts in that section to get paid, and if every week 3 or 4 threads in which they reply are moved to O/T, instead of writing the 12 they were writing before in that section they will write 20, to make sure they have met the criteria to get paid.

I'm not saying it's wrong what the moderators have done, and I actually reported a thread that has been moved to O/T, the only thing I would advise is beware of overdoing it.


Title: Re: Is gambling problem or anything related to addiction is an off-topic?
Post by: KingsDen on April 08, 2024, 10:47:21 AM
I think the first is the oldest and mega thread about 5000+ pages. I think the author renamed it this season.
The first thread gives you everything to discuss about Premier league. So what it's a mega thread? We don't have WO post twitter link, WO chartbuddy, WO homer, WO green dildo. We only have one WO.
I support your idea of maintaining one mega thread, but if you can flash back you will remember where the deviation started. There was when suggestions were made in this meta that all the mega threads like English premier League, La liga, Bundesliga and Italian Serial A be locked and a new one created. The arguement was that they have lost their relevance. It was after that discussion that other threads began to spring up in the gambling discussion boards. It is just peculiar to English premier League as other league threads don't have duplicates yet.


Title: Re: Is gambling problem or anything related to addiction is an off-topic?
Post by: aioc on April 08, 2024, 12:17:55 PM
My guess is that gambling addiction topics have been discussed over and over again that there are no new replies. Just the same thing said in a different way.
That's my guess too. The redundancy of such a topic for discussion would've made it boring to mods who possibly have realized that such topics cause spamming on the forum. To abate spamming, moving such topics to the "Off-Topic" section easily do the magic. That won't be far from mods decision for moving OP's thread. Users in signature campaigns have less allure posting there because posts in Off-Topic don't count towards the weekly quota in signature campaigns.
Well, you have a point. Although gambling addiction discussion is essential to warn present and future gamblers, but the reality that it’s become almost the majority’s topic, then probably the mods will no longer want to entertain any of those things related and moving it to off-topic would be the easiest move. So as much as possible, we posters should be careful in selecting threads to answer, that is not becoming redundant in the gambling discussion board, otherwise our efforts in posting will be put into waste.
There are new gambling discussions that were moved to off-topic if you have a quota to complete from the platform you are promoting you have to check if the thread is likely to be moved off-topic or if you're going to create a new discussion be sure it's not a subject that has been discussed so many times before.
It should be a fresh and new topic about gambling discussion so the discussion will not become redundant


Title: Re: Is gambling problem or anything related to addiction is an off-topic?
Post by: stompix on April 08, 2024, 01:14:55 PM
Be honest too, is this topic not related to gambling discussion board? How come is this an off-topic on gambling if it’s all about gambling. Even if the discussion is just a repetition of other topic, this is common even on Bitcoin discussion board and others especially price speculation.

Oh my bad, then it should have gone just like the rest in the trashcan!
And thanks for acknowledging we have too many of that spam-infected topics that led absolutely nowhere!

Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024
⚽ Premier League 2023/2024 Discussion Thread ⚽
⚽ English Premier League Season: 2023/2024 New

Give me reason why we need three [I am sure there are more] threads we need? Everyone wants to have their own thread. Keep one and move many of these to off-topic too. It does not need a rule.

For the Premier League at least there is one moderated by Jollygood, so this will not count in the opinion of the mods, there is the older one run by Trofo and there is a topic that was run by hilariousandco only for the players that paid for the pool game,   so basically those 3 could all still run since they cater to different users.
You're not a player and JG doesn't like your post, you still need a topic..
That said, the last one opened ⚽ Premier League 2023/2024 Discussion Thread ⚽ really makes no sense and should be locked.





Title: Re: Is gambling problem or anything related to addiction is an off-topic?
Post by: Eternad on April 09, 2024, 01:55:17 AM
Be honest too, is this topic not related to gambling discussion board? How come is this an off-topic on gambling if it’s all about gambling. Even if the discussion is just a repetition of other topic, this is common even on Bitcoin discussion board and others especially price speculation.

Oh my bad, then it should have gone just like the rest in the trashcan!
And thanks for acknowledging we have too many of that spam-infected topics that led absolutely nowhere!


Haha, Honestly, yeah there's a lot of this issue all over the forum that's why I'm just curious why the gambling board is singling out this recent aggressive action towards repetitive topics.

I want to hear from mods about the proper guidelines for creating a new topic in the gambling board to avoid contributing to spam because gambling topics are just repeating. Still, the variation of user experience is what makes it unique for discussion.


Title: Re: Is gambling problem or anything related to addiction is an off-topic?
Post by: Maus0728 on April 09, 2024, 02:52:41 AM
It is possible that some moderators are bored already as they see more topics to be about gambling discussion. But in my opinion, I think gambling addiction threads should be on gambling discussion. It is one if the benefits we have on the gambling discussion board for people to avoid gambling addiction.
But that's not a valid decision to do in my opinion, that's a bit too much, maybe a little call off to the people the OP of those threads to just lock them when it reaches a certain amount of pages but to move it Off-Topic because they're bored seems to make them a bad people. There's probably some other reason why it got moved to that point, maybe because it's talking about the well-being of people that's gambling instead of gambling that's led to this topic moving, maybe they qualify it as the post never had gambling as the main theme but a side theme of the topic so they've decided that it doesn't qualify to stay in the Gambling Discussion board.


Title: Re: Is gambling problem or anything related to addiction is an off-topic?
Post by: bitbollo on April 09, 2024, 06:06:58 AM
Most of these discussions are clearly on topic regarding gambling... we need to move to off topic for gambling related questions/arguments?
I was wondering something similar to the topic... why so many topics have been moved to off topic section after some days?
I had 4 posts move there in just one week....there are "new internal rules"? We have changed something on this board?


Title: Re: Is gambling problem or anything related to addiction is an off-topic?
Post by: jrrsparkles on April 09, 2024, 11:25:33 AM
I see that it is to reduce the amount of spam from the gambling section because everyone said that the gambling section is filled with only spam so mod decided to make actions that may bring the changes.


Title: Re: Is gambling problem or anything related to addiction is an off-topic?
Post by: EarnOnVictor on April 09, 2024, 02:00:29 PM
Recently my thread related to sign of early gambling addiction thread was moved to off-topic. I’m not questioning the mods decision but I want to clarify what’s real rules on what should be on topic discussion on gambling discussion board.

This kind of topic was allowed before since addiction is a huge part of gambling in general. I just want to know what’s the real stand of mods on this kind of topics so we can improve and avoid.
Bro, I hope this is not late, I just saw this thread and I am being pushed to add my bid.

One thing I like you to understand is that moderators are always moving around and will not act without a reason. If you agree with me, the addiction discussions are so many, if not too many in the gambling section of the forum. If yours is not so constructive and unique, I don't think moderators will let it stay, unless they only overlooked it at their own discretion. Too many similar topics and bodies like that are not necessary, it will only make that section of the forum look spammed, which was why it was moved to the off-topic section.

More posts are needed in the gambling section (because the one I reported to be moved there a while ago was moved without issues and is still there), but it has to be unique above other considerations. Notwithstanding, if it is still about addiction, it shouldn't be constructed in the regular way that has already littered the place.


Title: Re: Is gambling problem or anything related to addiction is an off-topic?
Post by: _BlackStar on April 09, 2024, 10:05:49 PM
I see that it is to reduce the amount of spam from the gambling section because everyone said that the gambling section is filled with only spam so mod decided to make actions that may bring the changes.
Only filled with spam - I think you are wrong. You can still say the gambling section has a lot of spam - but not all of it.

I'm not sure what the problem is that some questionable topics are moved to off-topic - but if the moderator really do that, then they must have a reason based on their own interpretation. I don't know if the mods will clarify this and provide an explanation - but there are always positives to consider.


Title: Re: Is gambling problem or anything related to addiction is an off-topic?
Post by: BitcoinGirl.Club on April 09, 2024, 10:27:49 PM
You're not a player and JG doesn't like your post, you still need a topic..
So people notice it after all. I remember once I was in a game or something and the man denied my entry without any valid reason but I got to understand that it was personal for him. Anyway, I really don't post in EPL and other general threads except those prediction pools where I am participating. So none of the other threads really mean anything for me. 


Title: Re: Is gambling problem or anything related to addiction is an off-topic?
Post by: Sexylizzy2813 on April 09, 2024, 10:51:41 PM
I think the mod have a reason for doing so and if you check properly you'd notice that there are many threads that all mean the same thing but the topic is different, is like it repeats itself in different form, mods have to act fast before we start seeing same thread in the same section.
We do have a thread for EPL discussion that have been there for long but someone opened same EPL thread in the same section and I was thinking if is suppose to be so. I don't know if some members who knows that this thread is there and they go ahead to open another just get followers 🤔, I don't know if that's their aim.


Title: Re: Is gambling problem or anything related to addiction is an off-topic?
Post by: yahoo62278 on April 10, 2024, 05:32:30 AM
More and more silly threads being created in the gambling discussion section daily. Most of the threads created have be asking the same question in different words, which makes me think they're creating the threads to get quotas in a gambling campaign.

Eventually mods are going to crack down and start sig banning some folks IMO.


Title: Re: Is gambling problem or anything related to addiction is an off-topic?
Post by: dzungmobile on April 10, 2024, 11:13:27 AM
More and more silly threads being created in the gambling discussion section daily. Most of the threads created have be asking the same question in different words, which makes me think they're creating the threads to get quotas in a gambling campaign
Months ago, there were discussions and request from community to have a board for Security discussions which are more helpful than Gambling discussions.

Community Vote: Add "Cybersecurity & Privacy" board to Bitcointalk. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5462155.0)

Many topics on Security were move to Off-topic and because I considered they are more helpful than Gambling discussion threads, I don't see big problems if they were moved to Off-topic board too.


Title: Re: Is gambling problem or anything related to addiction is an off-topic?
Post by: Eternad on April 10, 2024, 02:58:41 PM
Months ago, there were discussions and request from community to have a board for Security discussions which are more helpful than Gambling discussions.

Community Vote: Add "Cybersecurity & Privacy" board to Bitcointalk. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5462155.0)

Many topics on Security were move to Off-topic and because I considered they are more helpful than Gambling discussion threads, I don't see big problems if they were moved to Off-topic board too.

I understand the importance of Cybersecurity & Privacy but there’s no current board that fits it right now while general gambling discussion topic has a gambling board which these topics is fitted instead off-topic.

More and more silly threads being created in the gambling discussion section daily. Most of the threads created have be asking the same question in different words, which makes me think they're creating the threads to get quotas in a gambling campaign.

Eventually mods are going to crack down and start sig banning some folks IMO.

Agree to this, This is due to a bunch of new comers that was a regular poster on Bitcoin discussion that got accepted on signature campaign with gambling post requirements on their quota. The increase of spam new topic increased significantly after mixer campaigns is banned since many user that is not a regular gambling board poster try to create a new topic just to meet the campaign requirements.


Title: Re: Is gambling problem or anything related to addiction is an off-topic?
Post by: xLays on April 10, 2024, 06:28:46 PM
The problem with the gambling board I noticed is, there are many topics with similar discussion idea. There are no need for that. Consider premier league.

Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024
⚽ Premier League 2023/2024 Discussion Thread ⚽
⚽ English Premier League Season: 2023/2024 New

Give me reason why we need three [I am sure there are more] threads we need? Everyone wants to have their own thread. Keep one and move many of these to off-topic too. It does not need a rule.


I also posted about this here in Meta Section asking about it, but it seems like it just ended up going nowhere or more likely was just ignored. There are many thread like that, almost like they're competing for sponsorship in the thread they created (if you know what I mean).

Look at this discussion thread (OP), it was posted on April 5, but it seems like the moderator who moved OP's post doesn't care at all (sorry for the words but that what I observed).


Title: Re: Is gambling problem or anything related to addiction is an off-topic?
Post by: BitcoinGirl.Club on April 10, 2024, 09:54:59 PM
I also posted about this here in Meta Section asking about it, but it seems like it just ended up going nowhere or more likely was just ignored. There are many thread like that, almost like they're competing for sponsorship in the thread they created (if you know what I mean).

Look at this discussion thread (OP), it was posted on April 5, but it seems like the moderator who moved OP's post doesn't care at all (sorry for the words but that what I observed).
When a gambling business start their signature campaign they focus on gambling board. Many campaigns even specify the numbers they want from the gambling board. So, members are forced to make posts in the section. This is the only reason for all these similar threads so that signature campaigners can increase their post counts.


Title: Re: Is gambling problem or anything related to addiction is an off-topic?
Post by: Y3shot on April 11, 2024, 11:03:45 AM
Deeply looking towards the gambling board you would see that there are lots of topics or post that are related to gambling addition, where mods or admin could start seeing them as spamming. I think gambling addiction post should be pinned on the gambling discussion board to reduce gambling addiction post.
If any mod move those topics to off-topic board then we can assume that the topic itself is a low quality effort post, instead of the post to belong to the gambling section they may decides to move them to section where it's belongs.
Some of the topics are topic without any substance, people just cook up stories about gambling addiction and when you go through them they have no message that can help readers. A lot of topic have been moved to the off topic board and these topics have no good content. If you check the gambling section you'll find out that good topics about addiction are still there, that's to say the moderators knows what they are doing. Moderators are only trying clean up the gambling section where real gambling topics can be found. If moderators allows anyhow topic to be in the gambling section i think the board will just be like the off topic board.


Title: Re: Is gambling problem or anything related to addiction is an off-topic?
Post by: Pmalek on April 11, 2024, 03:52:01 PM
It might be a new way the admins have implemented to battle all the spam that comes from the gambling boards, making it close to unreadable because 8/10 posts are completely useless. My first thought was that discussions about gambling addiction should be in Gambling Discussion, but not if it only creates a spam fest where we keep going around in circles without anyone saying anything of value. 

Creating such threads is a trick used by those who don't know what to write in the gambling boards, but are required to do so because their campaign manager wants 5-10 posts written there weekly. Now, they will have to apply themselves a bit more.


Title: Re: Is gambling problem or anything related to addiction is an off-topic?
Post by: Adbitco on April 11, 2024, 10:43:02 PM

Creating such threads is a trick used by those who don't know what to write in the gambling boards, but are required to do so because their campaign manager wants 5-10 posts written there weekly. Now, they will have to apply themselves a bit more.

You are correct even though this action is being taken upon the mod/admin then I think is very necessary to implements, sometimes when I visit gambling boards I often sees same post with just a little difference but they are speaking the same in general. Sometimes I do find some people almost repeating what they posted from topic A to topic B, which I think is very bad and such post should be either archived or moved to off-topic.


Title: Re: Is gambling problem or anything related to addiction is an off-topic?
Post by: Eternad on April 14, 2024, 04:37:00 PM
Right now, the mods is not that aggressive on moving repetitive topic/useless topic on gambling board to off-topic. I'm not sure what’s the real reason but gambling discussion is now back with those topic that has similarities to the previous topic that move on off-topic lately.

I’m not sure if the mods will still take action soon. I will just watch for now and lock this thread since there’s no mass move of thread already happening on current topics on gambling.