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Halving is a way for satoshis to force the price of bitcoin to continue to rise over time. The fewer rewards given to miners will make bitcoins harder to obtain and rarer as time goes by. This is a smart strategy that Satoshi had and I just realized it.

The weakness of this strategy is that when Bitcoin fails to reach a high price after the halving until the next halving occurs, this can damage public trust and also harm miners. However, this weakness no longer applies because Bitcoin always has a new ATH at every halving phase that occurs. So, I believe the price of bitcoin will continue to skyrocket in the future.

What do you think?

It is wrong to use the word force for it and I somehow disagree with you on this. The right way to put it is that Bitcoin was designed in a way that the supply will continue to decrease even in the face of increasing demand thereby creating a kind of imbalance that will spur an increase in price. This is not the same as forcing people to buy Bitcoin but a simple economics.
 Furthermore, the price of Bitcoin have not continued to go up, we have experienced several bullish and bearish seasons just like we have in every other market. Bitcoin have enjoyed overall growth not because people were compelled to buy it but because of the values it has continued to provide and the potential people see in it, hence the reason they chose to hold it.

Is it?

Because halving was implemented so that bitcoin can fight against inflation. By maintaining a fixed supply of bitcoin, the currency has lower chances of losing its value. I don’t personally think that this was what Satoshi had in mind but because of the reducing supply, the price of bitcoin gets higher and higher.

I think this will continue at least until the next halving.

I don't think that Satoshi was obsessed with the Bitcoin price back in 2009-2010, when one BTC was worth less than a dollar.
The whole idea was to create a deflationary currency, instead of an inflationary currency.
The demand is what determines the price of an asset or product. The price of Bitcoin would be zero, if the demand for BTC was zero.
The fixed supply doesn't change this. You could create an altcoin with fixed supply, but the price of this altcoin will be zero(or close to zero) because of the extremely low(or non-existent) demand for that particular altcoin on the crypto markets.

The halving process, its a genius move. Pure economics - you cut supply, demand stays the same, the price goes up. Every cycle proves it, the numbers dont lie. Bitcoin keeps hitting new highs, best crypto on the market, period. Investors should see this, its the best opportunity out there.

Now, some worry about miners, about trust. Look, the market adjusts, it always has. Bitcoin's shown incredible strength. We're not just talking about hope here, we're talking about a proven pattern, years of data. This isn't just me being positive, its logic. This isnt just me being arrogant, its fact. Bitcoin's future, trust me, its looking incredibly bright.

Whether you agree or not, this design was planned by Satoshi. The results would be different if the rewards for miners were not cut using the halving method.

Yes, bitcoin is not about a simple economic concept but a complex and planned concept. If bitcoin does not have a good algorithm system and development plan then I am sure bitcoin will not be trusted by the community. Halving is one of satoshi's great ideas, a method that indirectly forces the price of bitcoin to continue to rise over time.


The conditions would be different if Bitcoin did not use the halving method. You can imagine if the reward remains 50 btc/block like early stage bitcoin. I suspect that even if the number of bitcoins remained the same, the price would not be as high as it is now. That's the great thing about the halving strategy designed by Satoshi


Sorry, I don't understand the direction of your writing

It's to slow down the supply distribution/inflation; the price increase is only a byproduct due to the decreased new supply.

And I don't know if you actually think that (though I think it's likely just language barrier), but saying "forces" is not the right word to use in this case lol.

I may not agree with the word forces because bitcoin is a volatile digital cryptocurrency and its not something that is centralized whereby a single entity can decide on whether to increase or decrease the market price or value, he has done his own part and leave the network being sustainable to how we adopt, buy or sell in respect to its demands and supply.


What a nice discovery then, are you now investing or just against the whole process with bitcoin and mining rewards.


How sure are you that bitcoin is not going to reach a new all time high after halving, do you have any proof.

There is no forcing in it, the halving, in general, has nothing to do with the price of Bitcoin, it is just that the Bitcoins that come in circulation will reduce after it, and the reason why its price goes up after each halving is that people buy more of it thinking that the price will go up, so it goes up because of that.


There is absolutely no guarantee for that to happen. We think that Bitcoin will have a new all-time high after each cycle but this is just based on what we have seen in the history of Bitcoin, things can be different in the future, maybe Bitcoin will reach a price point and then drop after it and doesn't manage to go above that point next time.

That's not exactly correct though. Just look at altcoins. A large number of them follow the same model as Bitcoin (limited supply + block reward reduced by a certain % on fixed intervals) and they don't always go up.

The truth is that bitcoin price goes up because it is a combination of supply AND demand, not just the supply. In other words the adoption has to grow in order to help the price continue going up. In that process, the rate of new supply being created cut by 50% helps that rise due to adoption.

I disagree.
Even though there are always "weak hands" who bought bitcoin thinking they can get rich over night who would then sell if their silly targets aren't reached, but the majority of people aren't like that. They don't buy bitcoin to get rich quick. They either have long term perspective or they are seeking financial sovereignty which means they are not concerned with whether halving leads to hyped up temporary rallies or not.

It's funny you're saying Satoshi force the Bitcoin price when no one even know who exactly is Satoshi, who're him and is he still live or not etc.

The recent ATH was $73.637, now Bitcoin price is $70K, the difference is just $3K, I'm 100% sure Bitcoin will make new ATH after the halving. What people are expect isn't Bitcoin will make new ATH, but how much it will? many people set a target $100K, some people $150K.

Even Bitcoin price is dump, it won't really affect miners because mining aren't the only one their income sources, some of them sell mining rigs.

It is true that halving bitcoin could potentially increase the deficit and raise the price if demand remains high. However, the price of bitcoin is influenced by other factors besides halving, including market demand, investor sentiment and global economic conditions. The future price of bitcoin remains uncertain and subject to various influences. In addition, some of the "experts" believe that bitcoin will collapse heavily... :-\

You have a point there. I bet you that many investors are not paying attention to this, most of the time what I see people talking about is that the supply of bitcoin is fixed and that is why the price of bitcoin is increasing. This is not completely wrong but it is also not right because as you said, creating a currency with a limited supply has never been too difficult and any altcoin can do it, not just bitcoin. The most important thing to create the value of bitcoin must be demand because the higher the demand, the more the value increase. That's why I believe that even if we have 21 million bitcoins in circulation, the price of bitcoin will continue to rise because the demand is so great.

This is just like saying bitcoin price is been set by Satoshi which you know is completely wrong, if the prices are pre determined before now we might have found a way around to know about it. Saying halving period increases bitcoin price isn’t correct because the price effect is actually influenced by the demand and supply of it. It is only when any of this happens that the price reacts not because the supply is cut into half. The reason it is most likely on halving periods is simply because people look at bitcoin during this period and think that it’s reduction will cause scarcity so the surge for its demand is what drives the bull run.

I wouldn’t say that the price will increase after every halving since the three occasions we have had isn’t a yard stick that it can be that every time but I will say as things are now and how people FOMO during halving periods I see the price always growing higher each of the halving periods

Satoshi never planned for the future of bitcoin to reach this price, but he knows that it might be possible or not. This is because Satoshi himself said that in 20 yrs time bitcoin price might reach a high amount or turn to zero. I am sorry I cannot find this quote here. So as you can see it is just his good work that brought bitcoin price to this amount.

The halving only help to trigger the bull run, because the law of demand and supply is what controls the price of bitcoin, and when people see the price of bitcoin shooting up, due to limited supply after the halving they buy because they don't want to miss out, believing that the price will keep pumping.

The way I see it, Satoshi didn't possess some special power to control prices like magic.  Basic economics says if something gets more scarce but people still want it, value should go up and  that's how halvings reduce new bitcoin entering the market - lower supply, potentially higher demand.  But don't go thinking every halving guarantees a price jump either.  Markets are complicated things with lots going on at once to push prices all over the place.  The past dont determine the future.

Honestly, that's a very good question and your answer makes sense but the % of bitcoins that was mined in the first years is so much that it doesn't make sense for me.

If it's done to slow down the supply distribution or inflation, then why was 75% of all bitcoins mined in the first four years. In the next four years, 16.5% got mined, then 7% got mined, then 3.3%. Does this make sense? It wasn't done for that purpose because most of the coins were mined way early and only the tiniest percentage will be mined in the next hundred year.

This isn't exactly the help and knowledge board, but they tell you features and you ignore them.

Speculation board: anyway, we already had an ATH, a few days before the "Satoshi Forces," 'sorry' I say Halving, therefore, how the strategy you mention remains, if nothing happens in 8 years (e.g) with the price, for You means goodbye trust, goodbye bitcoin.

Well, in SN reality, what motivates us above any result is trust, and that cannot be forced.

This is why Satoshi is very correct in terms of limiting the supply, and expect the price to pump as long as there is a big demand. I agree that not all halving can have the same result, we might not see a big pump in the coming halving so better not to be complacent and stay focus with your position. Though the halving this year is still the same as we already reached a new peak, maybe in the next four years we will see again.

If actually halving was a strategy that Satoshi embedded into Bitcoin for the price to continue to skyrocket, then it's not a bad strategy at all. Also, since it was never a "force," you could say that it must have been a strategy that he knew would make the price attain a great value over time. Just like @mk4 has already said, with which I agree, the idea of halving was actually to slow down the supply of Bitcoin, and if you take note of the high value of Bitcoin, supply and demand actually play an important role. 

If Bitcoin had an unlimited supply, there's no way the value would have gotten to where it is today, but with Bitcoin being a proof of work with new Bitcoin being mine and the halving system in the picture, which reduces miners reward, that's why the value keeps going; Satoshi did not force the system in. 

I couldn’t agree more. Halving is a crucial event for bitcoin that majority benefit from it. And I also think the term “forces” is not well suited to be used in the thread. It’s like you are trying to create a negative vibe towards Satoshi when in reality, everything that Satoshi did creates a major benefit for everyone that develops interest in bitcoin. Bitcoin is designed to rise its value over time, no doubts about it.

I will not deny this point completely because there are some sense of truth and fact in it. Satoshi never designed bitcoin to have new all time high value after every halving. It is just what the system sees that’s it’s obeying. If the demand for it was short and more supply is coming into the market, I don’t think it would have survived till date but will be short lived. The price cycle is something that even Satoshi don’t have control over.

Let's say he intentionally design that the coins be 21 million and it will be halved every 4 years.


No, I don't think that there is weakness in terms of the miners and it harm them. Miners are going to make money as certain point, they could be break even in the bear market, but once we are in a bull run, their business will continue to operate. Although there could be some miners that might close their business in the incoming bull run because their machine will have to adjust to the difficulty because of the halving.

Nope, it's not damaging public trust and harm miners. In fact, it's giving more people in the community to be trustworthy with this process because halving is actually a good strategy economically for Bitcoin to thrive more and gain more of its value.

As for the miners, they know what they're doing and have known this for so many years and if they're not in favor of this and been harmed by it, most of them have already stopped mining and the difficulty of mining should have dropdead long ago but it didn't.

No doubt, thanks to halving and mass adoption that creates more demand.

You are perpetuating a very popular misconception. Despite the halvings, the supply continues to increase, making bitcoins easier to obtain and not as rare. According to your logic, will bitcoins become unobtainable when the subsidy reaches 0?

Here is the simple economic explanation: The rising price is due to increasing demand outpacing increasing supply.



Same misconception. The supply is not cut. It is always increasing.



Same misconception but with a linguistic twist. The term for "new supply" is production. The Laws of Supply and Demand don't apply to production and there are no Laws of Production and Demand.

The halving hurts some miners but not all. You need to understand that with each generation the bitcoin ASICS are more advanced and require less power for the same hash rate. Miners find ways around the halving and plan ahead maybe by a year before it happens.

Some miners might get caught off guard when all of a sudden their profits are suddenly halved and their expenses are still a fixed cost. This happens every halving where someone buys an ASIC at an amazing price and see how it’s profitable at the moment only to later find out that it’s profitability will greatly decrease.

Halving reward and mine new Bitcoin aren't the only two sources that miners earn, imagine if in 2140 all Bitcoins has been mined, will miners can't earn anymore? nope, they earn by include the transaction to the block, so they earn the fees that the users made.

Satoshi didn't force the price to increase, but there are many people who believe in Bitcoin. If no one is interested to buy Bitcoin, it will become worthless.

I agree that OP have used a wrong term on this topic because from when Satoshi created Bitcoin till today, there's nothing that have lead to forcing people into Bitcoin or accepting any Bitcoin rules. Although I have not read the Bitcoin White Paper but from my own thoughts, I don't even think that Satoshi knew that Bitcoin halving was going to be a very great force that will make Bitcoin price to surge during every having season but even if he already knew about it, he still put it there for its importance which is what is still in the favour of every Bitcoiner, he did not force it on us, he did it in our favour.

Satoshi isn’t forcing the price to go up, but yes due to basic economics, the price is automatically going up. You need to understand that, Satoshi made a fixed number of Bitcoins and it went into the blockchain or market. Now people started buying the coins. When more people are buying it, and the coins are fixed in number, then due to the basic supply and demand economics, the price also goes up, in order to meet the demand. Directly blaming Satoshi for this is not ideal.

Satoshi has already seen this coming for bitcoin, that’s why he was confident enough that bitcoin will certainly become our future. So it’s given already that bitcoin price will consistently go up, as long as there is higher demand which eventually make its supply low or limited.

Now instead of trying to make Satoshi held responsible of this price increase, let’s just try to be grateful that he discovered bitcoin which offered us a lot of opportunities to grow our finances and help us become financially independent throughout the process.

I think Satoshi didn't include halving in the design of Bitcoin for its price to rise. I guess the design was simply imitating the way gold mining works. As mining goes on, the gold deposits on the earth dwindle, and so the new additional supply also decreases. This is how Bitcoin mining works as well. As mining goes on, the reward decreases over time.

I don't see this as a weakness though. And I also don't agree that public trust on Bitcoin is based on high price. Although there is that portion in the community, they don't represent the public. Bitcoin has features. These features are the main reasons why people are behind Bitcoin.

But if he relies on the principle of gold to create a halving event for bitcoin, then he clearly wants bitcoin to increase in value over time because the scarcity factor also helps gold increase in price over time.

Although in the bitcoin whitepaper , he only mentioned it as a peer-to-peer currency, other than that , we cannot be sure that he does not want bitcoin to become an asset like gold. We cannot know what his thoughts were, but given what was going on, I cannot rule out the possibility that Satoshi also intended to turn bitcoin into an asset and not really a currency.

Probably because Satoshi knew very well how the fiat system would kill the value of money. Scarcity or finitude was there to address this. A fix supply in Bitcoin's design is probably grounded on the fact that money shouldn't be as easy to inflate as fiat. Otherwise he's not really addressing the never-ending rising of prices of goods and services and the devaluation of money.

Satoshi designed Bitcoin to be a currency and a currency is also an asset at the same time. So I guess this isn't something that we should be confused about. Satoshi definitely wanted Bitcoin to be an asset.

This could be a wrong assumptioanal thought's because there is no anytime that it is clearly stated that bitcoin halving is aimed and increasing the price of Bitcoin,  the whitepaper only mentioned that the block rewards for minners will reduced into half each time bitcoin blocksieze reach a certain blocks.

So we need to understand the difference between the price of Bitcoin and it relationship with the price of Bitcoin and at what time.

Also , I still have a question, even we can know that bitcoin becoming a currency will never happen because the government will never let it happen . The government is still the one who controls this world and they will still be the one who decides what bitcoin will become, this is something that everyone understands and I think Satoshi has definitely thought about this. Satoshi was wise enough to realize that, so it wouldn't be entirely correct if he created bitcoin with the sole purpose of becoming a currency . I still believe he also plans to make bitcoin an asset if it fails to become a currency.

Satoshi Nakamoto, created Bitcoin and disappeared from the scene, I don't think that he has any manipulative influence about what the Bitcoin price will be at anytime, therefore there's no way he could force the price to continue increasing after every halving. The driving force behind Bitcoin price increase after every halving is the forces of supply and demand, and also adoption, if the awareness and adoption of Bitcoin is not increasing and the asset is not in high demand, then there's nothing that halving can do about it. Bitcoin price is increasing geometrically and in high demand because everyday more people are seeing it as a reputable crypto and a store of value.

When you write "the government", which government are you referring to? Do you really believe that this government controls the entire world? Anyway, satoshi is gone and his plans are irrelevant, except to those who worship him.