Title: Babylon Staking Sparks Bitcoin Fee Surge: Transfers Hit $105 Before Plummeting Post by: larry_vw_1955 on August 22, 2024, 10:29:05 PM On Aug. 22, Bitcoin’s onchain transaction fees took off, soaring to more than 1,250 satoshis per virtual byte (sat/vB), which translated to over $105 per transfer at 8:45 a.m. EDT. However, by 9:40 a.m. EDT on Thursday, fees had dropped to 625 sat/vB or $53.26 per transaction.
A day like today is likely a breath of fresh air for the mining community as they can collect more fees than usual. https://news.bitcoin.com/babylon-staking-sparks-bitcoin-fee-surge-transfers-hit-105-before-plummeting/ you asked for it you got it. don't like high transaction fees then maybe you're not using the right crypto. lets stop trying to "time" our transactions and just pay the fee...you want proof of work, you got it! ;D Title: Re: Babylon Staking Sparks Bitcoin Fee Surge: Transfers Hit $105 Before Plummeting Post by: nelson4lov on August 22, 2024, 10:41:47 PM The moment I saw that Babylon staking is going to go live on their Mainnet, I know fees would spike up by over a 100%. That's what happens whenever there's more transactions in the mempool that miners can currently mine — fees go up and it becomes a bottleneck situation. It's not a proof of work like you're implying because even Ethereum faces the same problem despite being a proof of stake chain.
It's the same with all these other chains that claim to be "ultra fast", "ultra cheap" and then succumbs to congestions too. If there's one thing I know is that something has to give. You either give up Security for performance or it's the other way round but not both. Title: Re: Babylon Staking Sparks Bitcoin Fee Surge: Transfers Hit $105 Before Plummeting Post by: Charles-Tim on August 22, 2024, 10:52:27 PM I can see the fee started to rise at 1:36 pm but the mempool high fee priority at 3:00 pm was 8 sat/vbyte. Later it got back to 4 sat/vbyte.
https://talkimg.com/images/2024/08/22/7BjUP.png https://talkimg.com/images/2024/08/22/7B11j.png All occured in just less than 2 hours and the mempool is so less congested right now again as if nothing happened. 4 sat/vbyte transactions are getting confirmed right now. Title: Re: Babylon Staking Sparks Bitcoin Fee Surge: Transfers Hit $105 Before Plummeting Post by: larry_vw_1955 on August 22, 2024, 11:57:50 PM The moment I saw that Babylon staking is going to go live on their Mainnet, I know fees would spike up by over a 100%. That's what happens whenever there's more transactions in the mempool that miners can currently mine — fees go up and it becomes a bottleneck situation. It's not a proof of work like you're implying because even Ethereum faces the same problem despite being a proof of stake chain. It's the same with all these other chains that claim to be "ultra fast", "ultra cheap" and then succumbs to congestions too. If there's one thing I know is that something has to give. You either give up Security for performance or it's the other way round but not both. hopefully there's more staking. miners are fine with it and the more useful bitcoin can be for different things that helps ensure its longevity irregardless of some peoples desire to skirt paying the going fee. trying to "time" transactions like Loyce has a thread about is kind of like being a cheapo and not really supporting the network in my opinion. no miner wants to have people like that. :o one thing to keep in mind about staking into any project is that you no longer control your bitcoin. so the entire thing could be a scam... Title: Re: Babylon Staking Sparks Bitcoin Fee Surge: Transfers Hit $105 Before Plummeting Post by: Darker45 on August 23, 2024, 01:14:53 AM That was only a quick spike in the fees. Right now, it's back to 4 sat/vB.
And I don't fault people for timing their transactions. It's unfair to call them cheap for making the most of the rise and fall of the network traffic. And who wants to pay exorbitant fees really? At "$105 per transfer", you don't actually want people to use Bitcoin as designed. Aren't you yourself bothered paying this high a fee for your ordinary transactions? Would you not mind paying a fee that's more expensive than what you're buying? Your logic is quite off. I'm using the right crypto because I'm paying high transaction fees? That doesn't sound reasonable. And proof of work is the reason? I use LTC at times. It's proof of work and its cheap. Title: Re: Babylon Staking Sparks Bitcoin Fee Surge: Transfers Hit $105 Before Plummeting Post by: larry_vw_1955 on August 23, 2024, 02:00:58 AM That was only a quick spike in the fees. Right now, it's back to 4 sat/vB. And I don't fault people for timing their transactions. It's unfair to call them cheap for making the most of the rise and fall of the network traffic. And who wants to pay exorbitant fees really? At "$105 per transfer", you don't actually want people to use Bitcoin as designed. Aren't you yourself bothered paying this high a fee for your ordinary transactions? Would you not mind paying a fee that's more expensive than what you're buying? well you need to support bitcoin miners. they rely on transaction fees more and more over the coming halvings. if you're going to try and cheap out on fees, i don't think they're going to like that. unfortunately it was a very quick spike but at least they got something but i know they want more. and no i'm not bothered by higher fees since i don't use bitcoin for daily transactions. :o Quote Your logic is quite off. I'm using the right crypto because I'm paying high transaction fees? That doesn't sound reasonable. And proof of work is the reason? I use LTC at times. It's proof of work and its cheap. that's cheating though if you're avoiding btc because ltc is cheaper. why not just use ltc exclusively? if it's good enough for transferring your money around then it's good enough for storing it there. Title: Re: Babylon Staking Sparks Bitcoin Fee Surge: Transfers Hit $105 Before Plummeting Post by: ranochigo on August 23, 2024, 02:54:31 AM I don't understand what's wrong with trying to 'time' our transactions to get the lowest tx fees. If your transactions aren't urgent, then you can just wait out for the fees to drop or if you're able to, then you can just conduct the transaction on LN. High transaction fee, or a volatile fee market is quite common for cryptos that are popular and shouldn't come at a surprise.
I wouldn't want to try to pay extra just to 'subsidise' miners when the halving comes along. Doesn't really make sense as our goals doesn't align in the first place. Title: Re: Babylon Staking Sparks Bitcoin Fee Surge: Transfers Hit $105 Before Plummeting Post by: Darker45 on August 23, 2024, 03:59:56 AM That was only a quick spike in the fees. Right now, it's back to 4 sat/vB. And I don't fault people for timing their transactions. It's unfair to call them cheap for making the most of the rise and fall of the network traffic. And who wants to pay exorbitant fees really? At "$105 per transfer", you don't actually want people to use Bitcoin as designed. Aren't you yourself bothered paying this high a fee for your ordinary transactions? Would you not mind paying a fee that's more expensive than what you're buying? well you need to support bitcoin miners. they rely on transaction fees more and more over the coming halvings. if you're going to try and cheap out on fees, i don't think they're going to like that. unfortunately it was a very quick spike but at least they got something but i know they want more. and no i'm not bothered by higher fees since i don't use bitcoin for daily transactions. :o If I'm paying 4 Sat/vB right now, which is equivalent to $0.34, I don't cheap out on fees. As a matter of fact, I'm paying exactly what's required for a high priority transaction to get through. Like it or not, that's what the network requires. Bitcoin isn't a charity. It's a payment system. If there is a need for users to be charitable to miners, paying more than enough, in order for the system to continue running, then something must be wrong with it. It might not be sustainable at all. Fortunately, it isn't the case. The price of Bitcoin is more than $60,000 right now and just a few weeks ago, difficulty reaches another ATH which means the mining environment remains robust and highly competitive. You're not bothered, but what about those who prefer to use Bitcoin on a daily basis, the very people Bitcoin is primarily created for? If you recommend for them to use centralized platforms or second layers instead, isn't it the same as not supporting Bitcoin miners since they aren't paying network fees anymore? Quote Quote Your logic is quite off. I'm using the right crypto because I'm paying high transaction fees? That doesn't sound reasonable. And proof of work is the reason? I use LTC at times. It's proof of work and its cheap. that's cheating though if you're avoiding btc because ltc is cheaper. why not just use ltc exclusively? if it's good enough for transferring your money around then it's good enough for storing it there. Many people are using options and that's not cheating. Are there rules to cheat on, to begin with? If LTC is cheaper than Bitcoin, then anybody is free to use LTC instead. In the same manner that if Monero is more private than Bitcoin then anybody is also free to prefer Monero instead. There is no rule and it's not necessary to be exclusive, to be religiously loyal. Humanity won't move forward if we stick to something merely for the sake of sticking to it. Your logic is quite off once again. It doesn't follow that since a medium is good for moving value it is automatically a medium good for storing it. Title: Re: Babylon Staking Sparks Bitcoin Fee Surge: Transfers Hit $105 Before Plummeting Post by: hugeblack on August 23, 2024, 05:04:36 PM Except for block 858115[1], most blocks during this day were mined between 4 sat/vB and 500 sat/vB with an average of 8 sat/vB, which means that there were those who were paying much higher than the transaction fees, and in block 858115 there were those who paid more than 5000 sat/vB. Therefore, for the average user, there is no change in the average transaction fees.
[1] https://mempool.space/block/00000000000000000000d603674ab2e746897c9f576127195a21ce3e0f941c9a Title: Re: Babylon Staking Sparks Bitcoin Fee Surge: Transfers Hit $105 Before Plummeting Post by: larry_vw_1955 on August 23, 2024, 11:43:34 PM Bitcoin isn't a charity. It's a payment system. If there is a need for users to be charitable to miners, paying more than enough, in order for the system to continue running, then something must be wrong with it. It might not be sustainable at all. Fortunately, it isn't the case. The price of Bitcoin is more than $60,000 right now and just a few weeks ago, difficulty reaches another ATH which means the mining environment remains robust and highly competitive. Quote You're not bothered, but what about those who prefer to use Bitcoin on a daily basis, the very people Bitcoin is primarily created for? honestly it seems like such a hassle to use bitcoin on a daily basis. to an outside observer they must think some of you guys are crazy. just send your money and be done with it. but you spend time strategizing about how you can set a low fee and do research about what the current fee is and try and set yours accordingly meanwhile other people have much better things to do with their time. like earning money. the time you waste trying to save a few dollars is probably not worth it.Title: Re: Babylon Staking Sparks Bitcoin Fee Surge: Transfers Hit $105 Before Plummeting Post by: Fivestar4everMVP on August 24, 2024, 12:03:53 AM On Aug. 22, Bitcoin’s onchain transaction fees took off, soaring to more than 1,250 satoshis per virtual byte (sat/vB), which translated to over $105 per transfer at 8:45 a.m. EDT. However, by 9:40 a.m. EDT on Thursday, fees had dropped to 625 sat/vB or $53.26 per transaction. OK, i didn't even know this happened, coming across this thread now made me to rush down to mempool.space to see what the situation looks like currently, and behold, we are back to 4 satoshi per virtual byte.A day like today is likely a breath of fresh air for the mining community as they can collect more fees than usual. https://news.bitcoin.com/babylon-staking-sparks-bitcoin-fee-surge-transfers-hit-105-before-plummeting/ you asked for it you got it. don't like high transaction fees then maybe you're not using the right crypto. lets stop trying to "time" our transactions and just pay the fee...you want proof of work, you got it! ;D And let me point out that I love the sacarm in the last part if your post 😁, but that wasn't really needed you know, it's not bitcoin's fault that it's a proof of work, and beside, every crypto currency blockchain protocol mustn't be the same, you talk about bitcoin being proof of work leading to high transactions fees at time, what about ethereum that is proof of stake and yet, it's transfer fees have never been less than $5 since it switched from pow to pos?.. 🤔 Title: Re: Babylon Staking Sparks Bitcoin Fee Surge: Transfers Hit $105 Before Plummeting Post by: larry_vw_1955 on August 24, 2024, 01:00:41 AM OK, i didn't even know this happened, coming across this thread now made me to rush down to mempool.space to see what the situation looks like currently, and behold, we are back to 4 satoshi per virtual byte. you got lucky this time but maybe the next time it could last for longer. Quote And let me point out that I love the sacarm in the last part if your post 😁, but that wasn't really needed you know, it's not bitcoin's fault that it's a proof of work, and beside, every crypto currency blockchain protocol mustn't be the same, you talk about bitcoin being proof of work leading to high transactions fees at time, what about ethereum that is proof of stake and yet, it's transfer fees have never been less than $5 since it switched from pow to pos?.. 🤔 i would expect that ethereum's transaction fees will become lower as time goes on, which is the opposite that i expect of bitcoin. so there's that. i remember when it was possible to send eth for $0.01. bitcoin was way more expensive. Title: Re: Babylon Staking Sparks Bitcoin Fee Surge: Transfers Hit $105 Before Plummeting Post by: avikz on August 25, 2024, 04:52:46 PM A day like today is likely a breath of fresh air for the mining community as they can collect more fees than usual. Thankfully the fees is now back to somewhat normal. It's ow 6 Sat/vB. But such kind of statements can be suicidal for Bitcoin itself. While miners will be very happy if they receive high fees, it effectively discourages people from using Bitcoin as a payment processor. In reality, a common bitcoin users will never want to pay such a ridiculous transaction fees. They would rather use fiat or any other cryptocurrency. The market is very competitive. Bitcoin network really needs an overhaul to solve these old problems. You definitely wouldn't want Bitcoin to be placed in museums for display only where no one wants to spend it due to ridiculously high fees. Title: Re: Babylon Staking Sparks Bitcoin Fee Surge: Transfers Hit $105 Before Plummeting Post by: nakamura12 on August 25, 2024, 09:22:21 PM Thankfully the fees is now back to somewhat normal. It's ow 6 Sat/vB. But such kind of statements can be suicidal for Bitcoin itself. While miners will be very happy if they receive high fees, it effectively discourages people from using Bitcoin as a payment processor. In reality, a common bitcoin users will never want to pay such a ridiculous transaction fees. They would rather use fiat or any other cryptocurrency. The market is very competitive. Bitcoin network really needs an overhaul to solve these old problems. You definitely wouldn't want Bitcoin to be placed in museums for display only where no one wants to spend it due to ridiculously high fees. Title: Re: Babylon Staking Sparks Bitcoin Fee Surge: Transfers Hit $105 Before Plummeting Post by: larry_vw_1955 on August 26, 2024, 12:26:30 AM Bitcoin network really needs an overhaul to solve these old problems. Quote You definitely wouldn't want Bitcoin to be placed in museums for display only where no one wants to spend it due to ridiculously high fees. definitely not but we need to be figuring out how to keep miners having an income when the block rewards become insignificant. so having 2 separate fees as i mentioned above could help with that. it also slows down people doing frivolous transactions since now they have two fees to contend with.Title: Re: Babylon Staking Sparks Bitcoin Fee Surge: Transfers Hit $105 Before Plummeting Post by: SickDayIn on August 26, 2024, 12:43:45 AM Yeah the days of 5 cents transaction fees are almost for every gone. Fortunately I don't send many transactions these days so I'm not affected by these sudden spikes in fees. Just HODL.
Title: Re: Babylon Staking Sparks Bitcoin Fee Surge: Transfers Hit $105 Before Plummeting Post by: larry_vw_1955 on August 26, 2024, 01:24:59 AM Yeah the days of 5 cents transaction fees are almost for every gone. that must have been a LONG time ago :o we've moved on into an age where the purpose of cryptocurrency is not to make sending money cheaper. i'm not sure what it's purpose is though if not that. Title: Re: Babylon Staking Sparks Bitcoin Fee Surge: Transfers Hit $105 Before Plummeting Post by: ABCbits on August 26, 2024, 09:34:42 AM you asked for it you got it. don't like high transaction fees then maybe you're not using the right crypto. lets stop trying to "time" our transactions and just pay the fee...you want proof of work, you got it! ;D Or create the TX now without very high fee, if you don't need quick confirmation. Bitcoin network really needs an oerhaul to solve these old problems. Some people actually paid attention, but realize it's not feasible. For example, why should someone pay 1% of total input amount when they only send small amount to someone else where the rest is sent to change address? Title: Re: Babylon Staking Sparks Bitcoin Fee Surge: Transfers Hit $105 Before Plummeting Post by: pooya87 on August 26, 2024, 01:48:04 PM Usually in specific types of spam attack the fee spike takes place like this. These are spam attacks designed to artificially inflate the fee rates. This is why they don't last that long either. The spammers are the ones who keep paying outrageously higher fees and the moment they stop, fees come down. That's because regular users aren't exactly willing to pay 1000+ sat/vb fees...
Title: Re: Babylon Staking Sparks Bitcoin Fee Surge: Transfers Hit $105 Before Plummeting Post by: buwaytress on August 26, 2024, 04:27:16 PM i would expect that ethereum's transaction fees will become lower as time goes on, which is the opposite that i expect of bitcoin. so there's that. i remember when it was possible to send eth for $0.01. bitcoin was way more expensive. Er, ok, I remember when it was possible to opt for a 0-sat fee to send bitcoin, and I also remember when it was hundreds of dollars to even approve individual contracts for Ethereum, never mind actually send any Ether. Today, right now, Bitcoin is far cheaper to send than Ether. But that's not really the point, is it? No-context memory of how fees used to be in comparison to what they are now is only fun for a moment... We're always stuck on dollar price, when I can tell you Ethereum holders would prefer to be above their old ATH (like Bitcoin is now) and pay much more dollars in fees. Title: Re: Babylon Staking Sparks Bitcoin Fee Surge: Transfers Hit $105 Before Plummeting Post by: Zlantann on August 26, 2024, 04:50:51 PM That was only a quick spike in the fees. Right now, it's back to 4 sat/vB. And I don't fault people for timing their transactions. It's unfair to call them cheap for making the most of the rise and fall of the network traffic. And who wants to pay exorbitant fees really? At "$105 per transfer", you don't actually want people to use Bitcoin as designed. Aren't you yourself bothered paying this high a fee for your ordinary transactions? Would you not mind paying a fee that's more expensive than what you're buying? well you need to support bitcoin miners. they rely on transaction fees more and more over the coming halvings. if you're going to try and cheap out on fees, i don't think they're going to like that. unfortunately it was a very quick spike but at least they got something but i know they want more. and no i'm not bothered by higher fees since i don't use bitcoin for daily transactions. :o Miners are not the only subsystem in the Bitcoin system. You have to consider other people who use the network, and some businesses that use it for transactions. So you expect them to pay a high transaction fee because you want to support miners. Will you buy gas at a high price because you want to support gas-producing nations? Regarding timing transactions, that's the new normal and there is nothing wrong with doing it. If you know you can pay fewer fees in a few days, why would you pay high if it is not urgent? Your logic is quite off. I'm using the right crypto because I'm paying high transaction fees? That doesn't sound reasonable. And proof of work is the reason? I use LTC at times. It's proof of work and its cheap. that's cheating though if you're avoiding btc because ltc is cheaper. why not just use ltc exclusively? if it's good enough for transferring your money around then it's good enough for storing it there. Title: Re: Babylon Staking Sparks Bitcoin Fee Surge: Transfers Hit $105 Before Plummeting Post by: serjent05 on August 26, 2024, 06:43:53 PM you asked for it you got it. don't like high transaction fees then maybe you're not using the right crypto. lets stop trying to "time" our transactions and just pay the fee...you want proof of work, you got it! ;D The thing is why would I spend 100x+ in transaction when I can just wait and pay it normally? As long as the transaction is not urgent, I would love to take my time waiting for the lowest transaction fee. You can call me cheap but that won't take away the fact that I have saved 100 dollars plus in my transaction fee. I have some belief that might not be true but wanted to share it anyway, I observed that every time there is an event that includes BTC transfers that can possibly congest the network, there is someone who always manipulates the transaction fee by sending higher fee to kickstart the fee competition. And the current event @OP is talking is one of them. See how the fee started to normalize after the heat of the event calmed down? |