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I'm reading this article here - http://www.forbes.com/sites/markrogowsky/2014/03/02/you-dont-need-a-nobel-prize-to-be-wrong-about-bitcoin-but-it-helps/ and regarding the adult entertainment biz it raised this question. Thought I'd throw it out there to see how the bitcoin community would call it. I'm curious - can see it solving a few problems instead of the presumption of causing them.

So, the IRS basically acknowledges bitcoin as property and not a currency. Excluding the darknet black market illegal activities entirely, if a woman provides sexual services to a guy in exchange for bitcoin, wouldn't that make her less of a hooker/slut/whore/prostitute and more a girlfriend/wife, considering wives give it up for property while whores/sluts give it up for currency?  ;D

Prostitution is illegal - sex for money. Bitcoin not being money classifies sex for property. It deserves looking into because any pissed off wife could demand her community property in bitcoin so how would it make her different than any given female accepting property in exchange for sex?

...just sayin!!  ;)

Very interesting indeed would like to see more insight on this subject, IRS will be hitting there heads if they read this.

most law makes a monetary value in exchange for sex illegal

First of all, in many countries around the world it's fully legal to buy and sell sex.
In others it's illegal. In Sweden for example it's deemed prostitution if you trade sex for money, alcohol, jewelry or more-or-less anything. (I think that especially the alcohol part is kinda funny since that's what basically happen every friday and saturday night :D)

wives do not make money having sex. they make money:
by refusing sex until the husband buys them stuff
by getting a divorce, meaning it costs the guy 50% of wealth to never be able to have sex with that women ever again.

smart women use sex AGAINST a man to get money (wives)
silly women use sex WITH a man to get money (whores)

So you're saying "All women are whores" Franky  :o

-B-

Stop cheating on your wife!  8)

Yes wives are wives don't talk about them like this please  :o

Wife A marries a guy she's got commonality with and regard for. She's there because she wants to be, her gratification lies in the interaction.

Wife B, who are far more in the majority, marry the guy in return for status and bank. Trophy wife, materialist, gold digger - all leverage sexual favors against (or for) material wealth. There are tons of idiotic girls - both girlfriends and wives - who presume their vaginas hold monetary value or any intrinsic value (outside of procreation) and subsequently insist a guy do doggie tricks for a shot at it. She won't hesitate to lord it over a guy's head like it's not only made of gold but that he can't get it anywhere else.

They obtain property and many times currency in exchange for sex, goes like this: post coitus: omg wah wah I can't pay the electric bill, can you leave me a hundred bucks? Or, if you want to keep track of me, buy me a cell phone and pay the bill. Or, if you want me to come see you, buy me a car...etc.

So if bitcoin is property nothing stops a woman from exchanging sex for it and skirting the whole "sleazy whore" stigma.


Then again, we'll always find the loophole before it's over with, shrewd whores we are one and all muahahah!  :D

But on a serious note, this could've set a hard foundation to legalize "prostitution" or redefine it and since sex isn't illegal, and bitcoin isn't currency, it falls outside the scope so sex for bitcoin seems to have potential for a profitable legitimized business endeavor.

BITCOIN BROTHEL???  ;D

Looking forward to seeing how it's treated in light of the recent ruling...and definitely the first court case caught up in it!

I'd totally pay for sex with Bitcoin, especially if it's completely legal.

Talk to your local pimps about accepting Bitcoin.

I should think that any jurisdiction that currently has a problem with prostitution is not going to be fazed by any technicalities involving paying for it with a thing that is not considered currency in that jurisdiction. i.e. you aren't going to get around their bad laws that way.

Looking at it from the other direction, I'm sure it has been tried many times before with things that also aren't currency but aren't bitcoins either. e.g. pre-pay vouchers.

Yep. You are a virgin. I can tell. :D

actually im Unhappily married.. my first statement explains why im unhappy

Sorry to hear that :-(

Not all women are like that, you got unlucky.

Anyway - FTFY: Smart women are able to make money without help from men.

I think you should probably stop using words like "slut" and "whore" when describing women.

Slut-shaming hurts everyone, including men.

Slut-shaming is the reason most modern women don't want to sleep with you before date #3 or 4.

Related: http://jezebel.com/5923855/turns-out-getting-slutty-on-the-first-date-can-lead-to-marriage

1. unhappily married - how much property have you sacrificed in return for her wifely duties over span of marriage?

2. Women who leverage or barter sex for some thing of value isn't a loser who needs a man, she's providing a service unto itself.

3. Not all women have low self esteem and need an activist group or a 3rd grade rule to not be called a name because the risk of emotional implosion from somebody calling them a name is zero.

4. though the initial question was presented somewhat tongue in cheek, it was still relatively serious as far as potential implications go.

This stigma people have in the 21st century that sex has anything to do with anyone's character, worth, integrity as a social issue (and not their factual worth as a sexually reproductive mating animal in mating economics) is still ridiculously ignorant of who and what we are. Slut shaming shouldn't exist - not because some chick gets her panties in a wad whenever someone else calls her a name, but because there should've never been a stigma on "sluts" to begin with in a mature and self aware species. If your world implodes because someone gives you shit for liking sex, the problem lies with you and your self image and buying into the very thing that you protest.

That all said, I'd be curious down the road after bitcoin becomes more acceptable as a currency whether or not the sex workers who work for bitcoin would be considered more financially saavy and "respectable" than the ones who go old school (or the ones who try to marry for it instead). By and large, opinions about sexuality aside, people still do tend to respect, admire and accept the brothel and the madam or the high dollar escort service as a legitimized business acumen than the individual woman who busts out a hand job for 20 bucks. Somehow, she's "unworthy" because she's freelancing is what it boils down to - and if you look closer, you see this in other lines of work.



Is it about the sex exchange or is it about the ingenuity involved in getting around the prude social crap? ;)

Misogynistic threads like this make it clear that the human race has a long way to go when it comes to matters of gender equality and respect.

QFT...

Agree 100%.

We have religion to thank for that puritan-hangover bullshit... and so much other horror in the world.

Thank christ religion is on its way out, and atheism is on the rise... there is hope for future generations.

The OP is a female so this isn't misogynistic in a conventional sense.

I'm married; I've deduced that women think about sex way more than men do. Most women don't talk about their sexual thoughts freely outside of their own close (same sex) social niche. I got lucky, but I'm curious about what must the OP have been thinking before the inspiration to write this thread?

My personal opinion is this: Even though the act of selling sex is dangerous and borderline self-destructive; it's nobody elses' business. Trading sex for Bitcoin, cash, car repair, groceries, or whatever is of little importance to those not involved. The relationship between the people having sex is the important factor. Having sex with somebody you don't know isn't the same as sleeping with a person with whom you share a metaphysical attraction. Trading sex for goods/services is blind and dangerous; using sex in a relationship to leverage goods/services isn't the same game. It seriously detracts from any relationship, but it's not as much about sex as it is about dominance.

Who hasn't hooked up with somebody they just met that day? I bet there aren't too many grown adults who haven't in this day and age... Is the desire for money so much different from the desire for sex? If you have sex just for the sake of having sex; is that not fulfilling the same psychological desire?

Perhaps, but its difficult to be sure.


While the original post *might* not be misogyny, there is plenty of misogyny in the thread. Personally, I'm not yet convinced that the OP isn't misogynistic himself (or herself).

I think that if all else is equal, a sex worker offering "$20 hand jobs" is seen as "less worthy" than a $1,000 per night escort because they are far toward the lower end of the income scale for sex workers, and it's hard-wired into people to respect earning power.

I can't see payment in Bitcoin making much difference to people's opinions to be honest. Apart from it piquing the interest of a tiny minority of people who are interested in Bitcoin, of course.

Many cam sites and other adult entertainment services do already accept bitcoins; now that is divorcing the performers from the payment infrastructure so is not quite what you mean, but isn't the payment infrastructure often divorced from the performer in this world anyway? i.e. there are madams and pimps, escort agencies get paid not the escorts, massage and sauna establishments have a front desk, and so on.

Just have a hard time seeing Bitcoin make a difference to opinions here any more than them whipping out a credit card machine… :)

I expected Aprils Fools joke, but i guess not ;)

Sexy ;)

Lads, keep your standards high. If you must partake, always practice safe hashing, especially with they whose affections are negotiable.

Sloots always gonna sloot, so be wise.

Neither literal prostitutes (ladies of the night) nor figurative prostitutes (men of the IRS) likely fully understand your precious cryptocoins as well as you do.

The point of the question or OP wasn't for a meltdown about social standards and morality - it was legitimately inspired by the article mentioned that touched on sex workers and being unable to track them, and made me wonder in light of the IRS classifying bitcoin as property, wouldn't that change the definition of "whore" since it's more closely accurate to that of "wife" - because wives generally marry for status and bank (and property) even when they've lied to themselves about what they're up to.

I am female, anti marriage, atheist and open minded about sex. I recognize human sexuality has no intrinsic value outside procreation and mating economics, I'm not a romantic sort and consider the idea of leveraging body parts against our self worth to be imbecilic and ignorant but that's how society has embraced sex and virtue because it fancies itself the masters of the universe with a special purpose and can't accept the fact we're none of those things at the end of the day - we're just mating animals trying to mate, it's not special or sweet, it's just what we do and it shouldn't have become a social commodity (nearly replacing a reproductive one).

I've got self esteem and my sense of worth is tied into what sort of person I am and not whether or not I'd have sex for money, have sex for free, have sex with more than one person, the same gender, or not at all. It's not tied to sex one way or the other, which is the most productive and healthiest approach. It hasn't got anything to do with "standards" or my virtue.

While I'm not the sort who would exchange sex for money, I've never taken issue with it and my position is that more power to ya. I'd support it any day because it's not that big a deal to me. I'd rather support legalizing prostitution than gay marriage - ONLY BECAUSE I don't think marriage should be legal or a thing at all. I'd much rather see marriage outlawed than prostitution or homosexuality  ;D

So, that's all it amounts to.  :D

Not in the UK. Lots of activities around it are illegal, such as kerb-crawling and soliciting. The law is mostly geared around protecting women from being forced into prostitution, and protecting non-prostitutes from being hassled, and protection of minors. (It's not always ideal for achieving those goals.)

As an aside, one problem with Bitcoin for websites is that it doesn't have a good subscription model. There isn't infrastructure to make monthly recurring payments.

I disagree with this statement, and find it offensive, repulsive, and disgusting.  It's quite sad that this is your concept of a committed relationship.


I'm glad to hear it.  It just a shame that you choose to believe that a committed (or sexual) relationship between two people relies on one of those people "buying" the commitment (or sex) of the other one with status, bank, and/or property. And even more of a shame that you assume that men are the ones doing the buying and women are the ones doing the selling.

While I'm not naive enough to believe that there aren't any women that sell their commitment (or sex) in exchange for status, bank, and/or property, I think its quite naive and prejudiced to assume that there aren't men that do so as well, or to assume that there aren't committed (or sexual) relationships that aren't on equal standing built from an emotional connection driving mutual attraction.

I specifically distinguished between healthy relationships and typical females banking on marriage as their financial salvation = whores at the end of the day. Read the OP again and pay attention :)

This Guy must be ugly as SIN LOL

I GET IT FOR FREE LOL

I too disagree with the characterisation of "general" and "typical" females as being gold diggers, and it's your use of "generally" and "typical" that is the problem. I've also seen quite a few male gold diggers.

This is a bit of an extreme view and also not really related to Bitcoin (any more).

lol!

Localbitcoinpimps.com ?

I found a video of him! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PET2jzrUqDk&t=56s)

I doubt that very much, but alright.

Related:

http://www.alternet.org/sex-dawn-9-interesting-things-weve-learned-about-sex-studying-our-ancient-ancestors

http://www.salon.com/2010/06/27/sex_at_dawn_interview/

I am OP and I am female :D Not all women are sappy romantics who live only to get married and dress up like a princess. I got better things to do! :D

I don't know where you live, but none of the wives I know (including my own) are exchanging sex for princess costumes.

If a man is demanding sex from his wife in exchange for property and giving his call girl gifts to show his devotion, then he is doing it wrong.


Good on you for being self-fulfilled and having goals outside of marriage.  I think you make a mistake by thinking that you are not typical.

Looks like someone has stumbled across the next alt coin (BTP) BitPimps   :D