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Eich resignation as Mozilla CEO as messy as his appointment
Brendan Eich stepping down as CEO solves Mozilla's immediate publicity problem, but many are torn about consequences of losing him as a leader and free-speech implications.


The resignation of Brendan Eich as Mozilla's CEO is proving to be just about as thorny to handle as his position against gay marriage rights that triggered the problem in the first place.

Even those who believe Eich's resignation is the appropriate solution to Mozilla's problem of leadership and morality are struggling with its consequences. After Mozilla announced Eich's resignation on Thursday, Twitter lit up with conflicted views from those who work the world of the Web.

"I can't process what's happening. So frustrated, sad, angry, and concerned. The right thing happened but at what cost. Stay strong Mozilla," tweeted John Resig, a former Mozilla employee and creator of the jQuery project that expands JavaScript's abilities.

Eich's troubles illustrate the growing power of the gay-marriage movement -- particularly in the San Francisco Bay Area where Mozilla's headquarters are located. San Francisco is a center of political power for the gay-rights movement, and the Bay Area's hyper-connected Internet-infused living can rapidly transform a controversy into a crisis.

Eich had built a strong following as co-founder of Mozilla, a savvy fighter for the Web, inventor of JavaScript, and leader of the Firefox and Firefox OS projects. His promotion to Mozilla chief executive officer from chief technology officer last week was a rare techie triumph over the usual business-school demographic.

Much of that credit evaporated as he struggled to reconcile his 2008 contribution of $1,000 to Proposition 8, a California measure against gay marriage, with Mozilla's explicit culture of inclusiveness. That inclusiveness is central to the world-spanning organization's breadth, and Eich told CNET in an interview that it protected his own views, too.

But his argument didn't persuade critics, and Mozilla management -- accustomed to taking the moral high ground -- had to defend itself from boycotts and outrage.


http://www.cnet.com/news/eich-resignation-as-mozilla-ceo-as-messy-as-his-appointment/

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"I can't process what's happening. So frustrated, sad, angry, and concerned. The right thing happened but at what cost. Stay strong Mozilla," tweeted John Resig, a former Mozilla employee and creator of the jQuery project that expands JavaScript's abilities."

JavaScript. The irony.

Why did anyone care?  Did he implement rules at the company somehow anti gay or is this just more Nazi brownshirt stuff?

I can honestly say "I don't support gay marriage", because, well, I've just never cared one way or the other in the least about it.  But I'd hate to be bullied into some kind of position...

It is a shame they are letting him go over an issue that only a minority would be concerned with and most people could care less.

I respect that poor fired CEO. The mob wanted a forced apology and a profuse groveling repentance.
Instead he said nope my personal beliefs are personal. So they fired him over a $1,000 political donation 6 years ago.

Only thing good about it is that it is an obvious overreach. It will show people what society is turning into.
Take this as a warning. Protect your identity and anonymity.
If you ever decide to have an independent thought it may be you the establishment turns on next.  

I am pro gay marriage and think the idea that people should lose their job and income over their beliefs is abhorrent. When we start punishing people for their thoughts we spend that last precious nickel of freedom and are left with only mountains of fascist debt.

First of all, Mozilla made an error appointing him CEO in the first place. Since Mozilla is a nonprofit foundation, it is important for the CEO and figurehead to share the ideology of the foundation, far more so than it is in the case of a for-profit company (in which case the ideology typically just boils down to "make money" anyway). Since equality is one of the core principles of the ideology that Mozilla wants to put out to the world, making Mr. Eich CEO was just a bad idea. In his previous position, as CTO, he didn't have to serve as figurehead of the foundation and the differences in ideology were not as much of an issue.

Furthermore, the problem, in my eyes, is no so much that Mr. Eich doesn't like gay marriage, but that he has actively tried to block it. And by doing so he has actively tried to restrict other peoples freedoms and that is crossing the line in my opinion. A $1000 donation to a campaign to disallow gay marriage is a $1000 donation to impede the freedoms of others. There wouldn't have been nearly as much commotion if Mr. Eich would've said something like "I don't like  gay marriage, but it's their life, so they can do with it what they want" (potentially followed by some religious rhetoric like burning in hell and all that kind of good stuff).

Anyway the last time I used Mozilla was in 2010. I haven't used it for almost 4 years now. Chrome is much better.

So you disagree with this man then:

The guy who had the gall to express his First Amendment rights and favor Prop 8 in California by donating $1,000 has just been scalped by some gay activists…

Will he now be forced to walk through the streets in shame? Why not the stocks? The whole episode disgusts me – as it should disgust anyone interested in a tolerant and diverse society. If this is the gay rights movement today – hounding our opponents with a fanaticism more like the religious right than anyone else – then count me out. If we are about intimidating the free speech of others, we are no better than the anti-gay bullies who came before us.

http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2014/04/03/the-hounding-of-brendan-eich/


There is also this little bit of info that should make everyone working, voting and expressing their free speech using money (money is speech) think twice before doing anything political in that state: Any donation over $100 has to be declared, then have all the names made public. So we are not talking mega billionaire but any small person believing in a cause no matter how  small in California.

Everyone who donated for that Prop 8 stuff in 2008 is on a list. A black list. A searchable list. If your name is found expect the same treatment.


Now to put things into perspective here is the Prop. 8 Black List:
http://projects.latimes.com/prop8/
Do you know anyone on that list? A family member? A neighbor maybe? Try it for yourself.

Of course it is not as if some people who expressed their speech legally were targeted. Where they?

Under mounting pressure, LA Film Festival director Richard Raddon has ankled his post.
Raddon and Film Independent (FIND), the festival’s parent org, have faced a barrage of protests over Raddon’s contribution to the successful Yes on Prop 8 campaign that banned same-sex marriage in California.
After bloggers published his name, culled from public records of donors, Raddon tendered his first resignation on Nov. 13 to Film Independent’s board of directors, which was not accepted. Film Independent then released a statement saying, in part, “Our organization does not police the personal, religious, or political choices of any employee, member, or filmmaker.”
Yet Internet message boards and other published reports kept the issue at the center of a growing protest movement that has targeted “Yes on 8″ donors including the Mormon church and Cinemark Theaters, whose CEO was a contributor.
On Monday, Raddon submitted a second resignation. Those close to the org described Monday’s conference call with the board of directors as emotional. While Raddon’s contribution had caused some internal angst, he was well liked within the org.
On Tuesday, Film Independent issued a statement saying “With great reluctance, Film Independent has accepted Richard Raddon’s resignation. Rich’s service to the independent film community and to Film Independent has been nothing less than extraordinary. He has always shown complete commitment to our core principles of equality and diversity during his long tenure.”

http://michellemalkin.com/2008/11/25/anti-prop-8-mob-watch-la-film-festival-director-resigns-over-donations/



Abstract: Supporters of Proposition 8 in California have been subjected to harassment, intimidation, vandalism, racial scapegoating, blacklisting, loss of employment, economic hardships, angry protests, violence, at least one death threat, and gross expressions of anti-religious bigotry. Arguments for same-sex marriage are based fundamentally on the idea that limiting marriage to the union of husband and wife is a form of bigotry, irrational prejudice, and even hatred against homosexual persons. As this ideology seeps into the culture more generally, individuals and institutions that support marriage as the union of husband and wife risk paying a price for that belief in many legal, social, economic, and cultural contexts.

http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2009/10/the-price-of-prop-8


If you are in the tech industry in California this was a pretty clear message to shut people up, those who disagree with their sexual orientation.
I was contemplating getting a Firefox OS phone.
Right now there are no Mozilla products on any of my systems.

Gotta agree, people are entitled to their opinions even if they're completely stupid, that's what freedom of speech, expression and thought is, that said, if for instance you have people abusing their positions precisely because of said personal opinions that's when they should lose their jobs, but this guy was just making political donations. If for instance, he was not hiring people because they were gay, or harassing them at work because of them being gay etc. etc. then people have every right to take action, but this is just petty, in fact, they're using the exact same tactics I've seen the people who persecuted them use ages ago.

People like this are always going to die alone, have no friends, no family that likes them and have no authority, they aren't worth the effort because people will find them too unpleasant to hang around anyway.

didnt a 14 yr old kid program firefox? Why is eich the center of the universe all of a sudden?

... 6 years ago!
Everyone working with him knew him well enough to know his view on gay marriage. There is no discrimination at Mozilla. He worked with gays all the time. He left his belief at the door.
But all of that wasn't good enough.

Co founder of Mozilla I believe. Big open source believer. Creator/inventor of a little thing used all over the web called JavaScript. Ever heard of it? You are using part of it even if you don't know it right now.

Are you talking about Blake Ross? When he developed Firefox, he was 19 years old.

Well I found a video of Ron Paul saying he thought evolution was just a theory and he didn't believe in it, still respect the guy though, especially if he's not going to let his personal beliefs affect his decision making.

Ya him maybe he started at 14 lol

Ya I program in JS everyday.. sad I didnt know he invented? Thought it wad Brendan? He stepped down in april.

I don't support government issuance of licenses to marry and divorce.

If Eich was wise he could have argued that he was trying to reduce slavery.

Yeah... he joined Netscape when he was 14 years old.

 I use firefox, and will continue to do so..! till i Find any particular reason to not to do so..! even If i think about switching to some other i can't find any other alternate..! Chrome  I hate.. Opera , safari... naah.. Firefox is way better ..! other than Firefox Tor is the only browser i use..! and The reasons you pointed out to switch from Firefox are not enough for me.

So the leader of a company which produced a browser which is the best in the market at protecting YOUR PRIVACY - is hounded and forced to resign by those which don't respect HIS PRIVACY.

And if you don't like it, you can use Chrome or IE.

Have to ponder that one.  Are the pro-gay-nazis in league with the NSA/totalitarians now?   I guess we have to add them to the thread on this forum about "are feminists and environmentalists hatable" or whatever it's name is.  But that's such a strange twist, that emerging from a world with a fair amount of hate of gays, into an accepting world, the activists of that subgroup would find themselves having shaped themselves into an eminently hatable category.

As said by Instapundit.com on this matter:  "Mozilla CEO Brendan Eich forced to resign for supporting traditional marriage laws. To be clear, for holding, in 2009, the view of gay marriage that Barack Obama held, instead of the view that Dick Cheney held."

So speaking legalese BS is being brave and wise nowadays? How about "I will rather quit my job than bow to the pink mafia and lose my right of free speech?"

I would like to make it clear I did not say "Boycott Firefox!". I like Firefox. Switching back and forth between firefox and chrome. They are both open source project. It was even a bit strange when firefox was not the default browser of Ubuntu but chromium (google "free" chrome) was, etc... The code is fine, etc, etc.

This attack will be very damaging for the lgbt community for years to come as people will start to watch out about what they say to whom and when.

That instapundit quote is amazing.

Memory consumption of Chrome is too crazy.

http://i016.radikal.ru/1404/de/4a5be31e850bt.jpg (http://i016.radikal.ru/1404/de/4a5be31e850b.png)

So I'm using Crome at desktop, but Firefox is much better for my ativ smart pc pro tablet... Flock and K-Meleon development has been discontinued few years ago, so I'm still looking for suitable replacement. ::)

I think ending the government's control over our personal lives is a very brave stance.

Why this so-called "lgbt community" creeps everywhere with their ideas?

http://www.3dnews.ru/assets/external/illustrations/2014/04/04/816229/Mozilla,-OKCupid-Notice.jpg

Who appointed them to represent the interests of these 8% of individuals in such violent way? By the way, I thought that Firefox it's a browser, and not the anal dildo.

I have to say here that of my gay and lesbian friends I don't know any that would support this creepiness.  Or they wouldn't admit it to me, at least.

I wonder if all these social justice warriors realize that Obama was also against gay marriage at the exact same time this donation occurred.

Wish I could upvote this!

Maher: "There Is A Gay Mafia -- If You Cross Them, You Do Get Whacked"


In the online-only "Overtime" portion of his HBO show Real Time, host Bill Maher weighed in on the Mozilla controversy, and did not react in a way that you would think. Maher seemed to disagree with gay rights activists for targeting Mozilla CEO Brendan Eich because of a 2008 donation to support a ballot initiative that would ban same-sex marriage in California.

"Well, and he gave it when President Obama was still against gay marriage. So, I don't think it's very fair," Carrie Sheffield of Forbes said.

"Good point," Maher responded.

"I think there is a gay mafia," Maher said. "I think if you cross them, you do get whacked."

Transcript below.

MAHER: What do you think about the Mozilla CEO having to step down over his donation to a pro-Proposition 8 group.

The Mozilla -- which I'm wearing right now, by the way. I didn't know what Mozilla was. I saw it on my computer, but -- it's Firefix, right? It's the browser.

So this guy apparently does not want gay people to get married and he had to step down. What do you think of that, the question asks.

FMR. REP. TOM DAVIS (R-VA): Because he gave $1,000 eight years ago and it's come back to haunt him.

CARRIE SHEFFIELD, FORBES: Well, and he gave it when President Obama was still against gay marriage. So, I don't think it's very fair.

MAHER: Good point. Also, I think there is a gay mafia. I think if you cross them, you do get whacked.


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2014/04/04/bill_maher_there_is_a_gay_mafia_if_you_cross_them_you_do_get_whacked.html

Now it seems it is. Next, it would be wise for the Firefox team to block any website against same sex marriage directly from their browser. Just add a black list of URLs that is against their views, for the safety of their Firefox users... And the children!

So then the only way to know that is for your friends to speak out as their silence comforts the pink mafia.

“We are pleased that OkCupid’s boycott has brought tremendous awareness to the critical matter of equal rights for all individuals and partnerships; today’s decision reaffirms Mozilla’s commitment to that cause. We are satisfied that Mozilla will be taking a number of further affirmative steps to support the equality of all relationships.”


http://mashable.com/2014/04/03/okcupid-satisfied-with-news-of-mozilla-ceos-resignation/?utm_medium=feed&utm_source=rss

Purge the Bigot

Brendan Eich is just the beginning. Let’s oust everyone who donated to the campaign against gay marriage.


https://i.imgur.com/1iCnGrV.jpg



Some of my colleagues are celebrating. They call Eich a bigot who got what he deserved. I agree. But let’s not stop here. If we’re serious about enforcing the new standard, thousands of other employees who donated to the same anti-gay ballot measure must be punished.

More than 35,000 people gave money to the campaign for Proposition 8, the 2008 ballot measure that declared, “Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California.” You can download the entire list, via the Los Angeles Times, as a compressed spreadsheet. (Click the link that says, “Download CSV.”) Each row lists the donor’s employer. If you organize the data by company, you can add up the total number of donors and dollars that came from people associated with that company.

The first thing you’ll notice, if you search for Eich, is that he’s the only Mozilla employee who gave to the campaign for Prop 8. His $1,000 was more than canceled out by three Mozilla employees who donated to the other side.

The next thing you’ll notice is that other companies, including other tech firms, substantially outscored Mozilla in pro-Prop 8 contributions attributed to their employees. That includes Adobe, Apple, Google, Microsoft, Oracle, Sun Microsystems, and Yahoo, as well as Disney, DreamWorks, Gap, and Warner Bros.

Thirty-seven companies in the database are linked to more than 1,300 employees who gave nearly $1 million in combined contributions to the campaign for Prop 8. Twenty-five tech companies are linked to 435 employees who gave more than $300,000. Many of these employees gave $1,000 apiece, if not more. Some, like Eich, are probably senior executives.

Why do these bigots still have jobs? Let’s go get them.

To organize the next stage of the purge, I’ve compiled the financial data into three tables. Here’s the first table. It shows 37 companies whose names, in one form or another, appear next to a total of at least $10,000 (per company) in donations to Prop 8. The list isn’t complete, but it’s a start.

https://i.imgur.com/9QRmmZV.png


The next table, below, shows 25 tech companies whose employees donated to the campaign for Prop 8. Again, the list isn’t exhaustive. But every one of these companies outscored Mozilla in associated contributions to Prop 8.

https://i.imgur.com/OMTvaeh.png


The last table, below, shows several other companies that didn’t hit the $10,000 threshold but did surpass Mozilla in money for Prop 8. Some of them might surprise you.

https://i.imgur.com/io7qUMr.png


The numbers in these tables don’t represent contributions from the companies. (All the money came from individuals.) Nor do they reflect the balance of contributions that came from a company’s employees. (I haven’t added up the donations that went to the campaign against Prop 8.) A quick glance here and there suggests that in many cases, the balance of contributions from these companies went against the ballot measure.


But those caveats are true of Mozilla, too. And we’re not cutting Mozilla any slack, are we?

If we’re serious about taking down corporate officers who supported Proposition 8, and boycotting employers who promote them, we'd better get cracking on the rest of the list. Otherwise, perhaps we should put down the pitchforks.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/frame_game/2014/04/brendan_eich_quits_mozilla_let_s_purge_all_the_antigay_donors_to_prop_8.2.html

Speaking like an adult, as in anon's example, is more becoming for CEOs generally than incendiary rhetoric.

Avatar for the victim of H8:

http://l-userpic.livejournal.com/84690319/15083680

:D

Yep. Stupidity reigns again.

Ironically 60 years ago another techie suffered, but for being gay: Alan Turing. And now Brendan Eich for not supporting gay übermovement. Both are brilliant individuals and credit to humanity.

Can't people let personal views and personal preferences be just that - personal?

I am now considering switching from Mozilla for their intolerance. Might be a good time to go back to Opera.

Presto engine dead already. No Opera is just another Chromium clone.

So even if the dude never had a problem with any of the Mozilla team, gay or otherwise, he was supposed to lie about his position regarding gay marriage, saying he was sorry about his contribution he made 6 years ago?
He was not sorry. He was pushed and he quit. Anyway this is a perfect case of "social jurisprudence" as it will be used over and over toward the people who have public records about issues you would not agree with. So you don't believe in human made global warming? Sorry GTFO! you're fired!

Chrome is clearly faster.
I use both and think Firefox was much better ~7 years ago.

Ridiculous to fight bigotry with more bigotry. Whole thing should've been left under the rug. A $1,000 donation is nothing -- it's like a police officer actually writing up a ticket if he sees someone jay-walking because he thinks it's so horrible that someone would break ANY law that they must be some type of bomb-lobbying anarchist mass-murderer who just doesn't give a fuck. Implications are only concerning because it's a polarizing issue which is blowing up way out of proportion, but it'll probably die down soon.

The gay mafia is not going anywhere. Use Facebook and any public records at your own peril. Instead of going next door and have a chat, sharing your position and personal tragedy like in this example, the dog of social war were unleashed. Payback time for the gay mafia. She will of course pay her share of extortion money to please the pink mafia.

For now on watch out not to be "firefoxed" if you have a simple opinion.

http://www.kgw.com/video/featured-videos/New-Sellwood-store-stirs-gay-customer-service-controversy-253902051.html

Below is the best comment I have read about the controversy so far.
This was posted in response to someone celebrating the lynching in the comments section of Slate

 

At least that's true if we substitute "San Francisco Commie Bay Area" with the "America" above.  The backlash generated indicates that a large percent of the country doesn't agree with them.

And when this matter was voted on in California, California didn't agree with them.

Jesus san fran is such a weird fucking place. Pretty sure we should give it to Mexico, all hope is lost there.

This thing is all over the place. Checking Ars tech. Their comment sections are on fire. Cnet.com, etc, etc...
So far it seems the "firefoxing cheerleaders" are all wishing this will be forgotten in a few days, downplaying it. Hard to forget such a subject when a lot of tech startups are using that "bigot's invention" everyday to make money.

Actually, maybe I should create a bumper sticker about that.

This whole incident is rather strange and somewhat disturbing.  Sure all parties were well within their rights in regards to their actions.  However, it is concerning that they would hound this guy over such a small donation 6 years ago.  Ironically this guy lost his job (this was obviously a forced resignation) because he held the same view as President Obama and not Dick Cheney at the time of his donation.  There is no evidence whatsoever that he allowed his feelings on gay marriage to impact those he worked with.  For all we know he may have supported civil unions and just wanted to protect the religious view of marriage.  Finally, its not like this wasn't common knowledge before his appointment.  It would appear that that dating site decided to spring this now as a publicity stunt.  This man was a small fish in a vast ocean and made the perfect target of opportunity.  Ultimately, it is a sobering lesson, never donate money to political causes if you are concerned about any future work prospects.  This incident shows that even the winners can be vindictive. 

From another site just going to reuse this comment

Wow…we have reached a sad point in this country. A man makes a donation due to his personal beliefs and is ruined for it …The new America.

Never give money to causes you believe to represent your views now to avoid the fear of being targeted in the future? How would political machines, unions, non profits would function then?

... Unlike an ex president and his wife sharing the exact same viewpoint but won't have to deal with any of this. Ever.
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Some of the very same people who have jumped up and down with delight as Brandon Eich lost his job will doubtless be backing Hillary Clinton for president in 2016 if she runs.

The “Ready for Hillary” ranks are crowded with gay men – and good for them.

But it’s worth considering some consistency here.

If it is unconscionable to support a company whose CEO once donated to the cause against marriage equality, why is it not unconscionable to support a candidate who opposed marriage equality as recently as 2008, and who was an integral part of an administration that embraced the Defense Of Marriage Act, signed into law by Bill Clinton?

How do you weigh the relative impact of a president strongly backing DOMA – even running ads touting his support for it in the South – and an executive who spent $1000 for an anti-marriage equality Proposition?

http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2014/04/04/brandon-eich-and-hillary-clinton/

Maybe Hillary will be too sick to run?

I have read those rumors too. That's maybe why that trial balloon fake Indian Elizabeth Warren is being pushed quite a bit now.

Wouldn't it be nice if we could just get the best person for the job instead of pushing a new social boundary every election.  We gave it a shot under Obama, I would say he has done a pretty damn good job of sucking.

But then K Street would be empty.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K_Street_(Washington,_D.C.)

Another comment from a CSM article is that  
“This is troubling because one’s politics is one’s own business,” “That’s been the rule in American business for a very long time.”
So it does concern me that this issue resulted in a firing.

“If we are about intimidating the free speech of others, we are no better than the anti-gay bullies who came before us,” laments blogger Andrew Sullivan (who is gay), in a widely circulated blog post.

After all has been said Intolerance won the day/ and a response to that
Not only intolerance but fascism also, caving in to a group who apparently feel they cannot be disagreed with.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2014/0405/Mozilla-s-Brendan-Eich-and-gay-marriage-Intolerance-over-tolerance-video
http://forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/1/2014/04/03/mozilla_brendan_eich_ceo_quits/

Choose your donations wisely  ;D

I strongly believe in conservation of species, endangered by human activity, and regularly donate to Durrell Wildlife conservation Trust (urging the others to do so as well - see my signature). That should be a politically safe donation too, unless, of course, there will come a political movement that advocates that only the strongest have the right to survive and that there is no place for species, who lose their fight against humans. Then conservationists might start being prosecuted as well...

"... I believe the conservation of species is a religion created to fight and destroy Darwinism, the De Facto fact based scientific non religious pure crystal clear palpable lab experienced LAW OF NATURE! Why conserve something Nature decided to kill? Human beings are part of Nature. For humans to destroy some species is the De Facto fact based scientific non religious pure crystal clear palpable lab experienced LAW OF NATURE! To go against it is Un-American. Thus the conservation of species philosopy is anti American. Why would anyone be hired by an anti American? Why would anyone hire an Anti American, those so called "speciesians"?. We need to make their donor list public and easily searchable. We need to shame those horrible vile creatures who are against science and let them know their views are not permitted and not welcome."

Wisely chosen indeed.... Mozilla and the pink mafia have opened the Pandora's box. Nothing will be safe. Smile now. It is coming.

Where did you dig that citation from?  :o
"scientific non religious pure crystal clear palpable lab experienced"? What the hell does that mumbo-jumbo suppose to mean?  ;D

Pandora should know to leave the box alone:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-131PZkun7rU/UQf7h-OiASI/AAAAAAAADaY/L897BeEHO6k/s1600/pandoras_box_for_elfwood.jpg

It does not mean anything. But there is a lobby for everything.

You said your donation is safe. But not the one the ex CEO of Mozilla made 6 years ago. Actually his donation was very safe. Prop 8 was a victory. Meaning it was the belief of the majority of Californians 6 years ago. It was the belief of Obama 6 years ago. It was the belief of Biden 6 years ago. It was the belief of the Clintons 6 years ago. That right everyone has, was erased thanks to the pink mafia. It will be the basis of killing the livelihood of people in the future.

If your name is on a public database you will never know what could happen in the future. The thing is, every foundation is but one scandal away from being destroyed. What you do with your money is fine because you believe in "the cause". Now. But no donation is safe.

<<fictional narrative between enforcer and subject>>

You, sir are obviously not with the program.  You're seeking FAIR and JUST.  It's all about the narrative of the moment, kollarborating and reinforcing it and agreeing with it.  

Is it unfortunate that one random fish had to be gutted for the CAUSE?  Sure...but remember, there are a lot of important CAUSES, in the next several years, and we sure want people to know how we'll handle them if they vote wrong.  You know, chump, we wouldn't want you to think you could vote against the right person, the one we pick for you, would we?

So, see here, chumpie, you just watch out, and vote for the ones we signal you to.

Or else.

Here we go: Gay Activist John Aravosis Compares Gay Marriage Opponents to Holocaust Deniers


Radical gay activist John Aravosis was on Media Buzz this morning to discuss the Brendan Eich controversy. Eich was forced out of Mozilla this week after it became public that he donated to a traditional marriage campaign in 2008. Aravosis compared gay marriage opposition to Holocaust denial on Media Watch Sunday on FOX News.

“No one was attacking Brendan Eich in 2008. Today Brendan Eich wants to run a large American corporation. Having called for the repeal of 18,000 gay marriages… Barack Obama, we beat the be-Jesus out of that man on his position on marriage… What I am saying – Would you have a Holocaust denier as a CEO of a company?… If you think a Holocaust denier, if you think a Holocaust denier shouldn’t be a CEO of a company… It is outrageous”

http://youtu.be/RgndZ8FYzQs

FTFY :D


So, it's strictly forbidden to have an independent opinion and we have to admit the fags dictatorship? Well... It's a good example of megalomania. Seriously, it seems to me that something heavy fallen on his head a long time ago.

Resistance is futile. GayBorg will ass... imilate you.

Shit... Our weapons were ineffective, drones are becoming immune to its effects.  :o We need to catch John Aravosis and replace his program with self-destruction virus.  ::)

"Aravosis" is the name of one of the head... It will grow back.

https://i.imgur.com/EjQeu7A.jpg

If Mozilla was hoping to avoid controversy by edging out former CEO Brendan Eich, the company has most certainly failed. The graph below comes from the feedback page on their site. This chart goes back to when the comment system was adopted, and the highest number of “sad” comments is today, by a factor of about two. The second highest number came yesterday.

https://i.imgur.com/uFWyE91.jpg


http://www.conservativeintel.com/2014/04/04/mozilla-sets-new-company-online-record-for-customer-dissatisfaction/

Whatever side of the barricade you are, don't be misguided and ditch or smear Firefox.

This is the last large open source browser, spyware free. Chrome phones home, IE is closed source. Some privacy or power-user plugins work better on Firefox. The Firefox code base is also used on TorBrowser. I could go on ...

If you don't like Firefox because it's slow, look at http://www.waterfoxproject.org/

Chromium is much better. Default web browser on Ubuntu, not firefox.

Don't be misguided and support an open source project because people who share the JavaScript's inventor view are all bigots and so are you, holocaust denier!!!!  Yeah right. I shall pass.

The project is open source as you said. I shall wait for its forking moment, the apolitical ones, the LibreFOX version of it if that ever happen one day. OKcupid was targeting firefox users when they came to their website. How come you did not think it was misguided for them, OKCupid to play that card with the last large open source browser, spyware free project?

Firefox crew supports Intel, who's employees voted for Prop 8 with their donation. Firefox crew supports Obama, who never said in his political carrier back in 2008 he was for gay marriage. Firefox crew supports Don't ask don't tell bill Clinton and his wife.

Can't touch it. Tainted. Firefoxed.

Don't worry. I am just but a lonely voice. People will still use firefox.

Wtf is this "holocaust denier" B.S. associated with my reply???

Edit: ok, just read above. I don't make a big deal out of this cupid website or gay controversy, it's just internet drama for foreign people, I guess. I just don't want to see such a critical open-source project being dragged down

Check out post #61. That was the argument used by the people defending what Mozilla did.

EDIT for EDIT #69: Firefox Dragged itself in that Drama Queen situation, keeping its closet down for a lot of people openly gay and happy about using an open source browser... It is tainted. Not just for foreign and illegal people in California...

Results for #nozilla trending....

https://twitter.com/search?q=%23nozilla&src=typd

I'm so glad <<NOT>> that our attention has been diverted from which browsers and methods of using the Internet are NSA and corporate spying resistent, and focused on namby pamby social issues.

NSA surveillance, as hypocrisy are topics I like to keep an eye on Or both at the same time.

Talking about hypocrisy, let's have a look at post #74 shall we?

https://i.imgur.com/AJ1yQDy.png

Last week, the online dating site OkCupid switched up its homepage for Mozilla Firefox users.Upon opening the site, a message appeared encouraging members to curb their use of Firefox because the company’s new CEO, Brendan Eich, allegedly opposes equality for gay couples—specifically, he donated $1000 to the campaign for the anti-gay Proposition 8 in 2008. “We’ve devoted the last ten years to bringing people—all people—together,” the message read. “If individuals like Mr. Eich had their way, then roughly 8% of the relationships we’ve worked so hard to bring about would be illegal.” The company’s action went viral, and within a few days, Eich had resigned as CEO of Mozilla only weeks after taking up the post. On Thursday, OkCupid released a statement saying “We are pleased that OkCupid’s boycott has brought tremendous awareness to the critical matter of equal rights for all individuals and partnerships.”

But there’s a hitch: OkCupid’s co-founder and CEO Sam Yagan once donated to an anti-gay candidate. (Yagan is also CEO of Match.com.) Specifically, Yagan donated $500 to Rep. Chris Cannon (R-Utah) in 2004, reports Uncrunched. During his time as congressman from 1997 to 2009, Cannon voted for a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage, against a ban on sexual-orientation based job discrimination, and for prohibition of gay adoptions.

He’s also voted for numerous anti-choice measures, earning a 0 percent rating from NARAL Pro Choice America. Among other measures, Cannon voted for laws prohibiting government from denying funds to medical facilities that withhold abortion information, stopping minors from crossing state lines to obtain an abortion, and banning family planning funding in US aid abroad. Cannon also earned a 7 percent rating from the ACLU for his poor civil rights voting record: He voted to amend FISA to allow warrant-less electronic surveillance, to allow NSA intelligence gathering without civil oversight, and to reauthorize the PATRIOT act.

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2014/04/okcupid-ceo-donate-anti-gay-firefox

Nice one Wilkon also article Update a bit after you posted basically saving his butt. A legitimate enough reason with hundreds of issues on the table knowing where a candidate stands on every single one would be difficult.

Update April 8, 2014, 12:30 p.m. PDT: OkCupid CEO Sam Yagan provided a statement to the SF Chronicle this morning clarifying the intentions behind his donation to Cannon and his stance on gay rights. Here it is in full:

A decade ago, I made a contribution to Representative Chris Cannon because he was the ranking Republican on the House subcommittee that oversaw the Internet and Intellectual Property, matters important to my business and our industry. I accept responsibility for not knowing where he stood on gay rights in particular; I unequivocally support marriage equality and I would not make that contribution again today.  However, a contribution made to a candidate with views on hundreds of issues has no equivalence to a contribution supporting Prop. 8, a single issue that has no purpose other than to affirmatively prohibit gay marriage, which I believe is a basic civil right.

It seems that now we need a good DDoS attack on OkCupid.

"Saving his butt"? He was never going to be a target from the pink mafia. Ever.

Really well after the Firefox Fiasco that would make sense, although you never know if he didn't make the statement they might have demanded it or his ouster lol.

This issue is madness; I honestly think there are more important things we should be worried about in this world than what CEO of whatever browser thinks about this or that.  Gay activists aren't fighting for marriage equality, they're fighting for marriage rights, and for this I feel no allegiance toward their cause; they don't care about having the ability to decide whether they'll marry same sex or opposite sex, they care about having permission from government to do so.  They have no quarrel with democracy otherwise, which makes them hypocrites, which makes their cause inevitably pointless as there can never be a majority vote on gay rights because there will never be a majority of gays in this world (assuming heterosexual/homosexual ratios remain as they are), there can only be a majority vote of agreeing not to use democracy against gays which makes democracy a pointless exercise in this respect as this vote occurs only in the minds and hearts of individuals.  You would think the LGBT crowd would understand this better than anyone but, nobody ever said politics was a rational sport.

Anyway, I think this will blow over and be forgotten by most people within a month.  Chik-fil-a is still around, after all.

Well I don't care what is his ideology or believes.

They should put pressure on politicians and fuck of normal people.

After this thread I am also going to stop using Mozilla and would use only Google Chrome and Tor!

I don't understand why actually I should refuse from using Mozilla Firefox as it's truely the best Internet  browser !
As it was already mentioned   ' Some privacy or power-user plugins work better on Firefox.'

Right.  All you might want to do is deprive Mozilla from making money from you using their browser.

Switch the search engine to DuckGoGo and starve the gay fascist beast.

http://www.yalelawtech.org/ip-in-the-digital-age/how-does-firefox-make-money-again/

Mozilla also secured rather lucrative deals with google and other popular search engines, such that whenever firefox provides a default search through these engines they get paid for the traffic generated, with the transactions monitored by the Mozilla Corporation. These deals account for over 80% of Mozilla’s funds.

http://www.extremetech.com/internet/92558-how-browsers-make-money-or-why-google-needs-firefox

Almost the entirety of Mozilla’s income — 97% of $104 million — arrives in the form of royalties from the Firefox search box, and the lion’s share (86%, $85 million) of those royalties are paid by the default search engine: Google.

Gay activism was never an issue to me but it made sense you have lobbyists defending what you believe in, no matter what (in this case pushing for more Government intrusion in your life from the pink mafia).
Now I lost total respect for them when I realized I would get news of gays being persecuted, beaten, hanged all over the world NOT from the gay activists. I mean NEVER. It was always from "right wing extremist websites" supposedly offended and crying for exorcism for anything gay.


That, to me, before the Firefox event, was madness.


Do a google search about gays in egypt and in the middle east, about gay persecution in the world. Hopefully I am wrong and a lot of results would come from gay activist websites.

Sure more important issues are at stake, but with multiple threads one could cover multiple issues at heart as you may have found out with me, maybe :)

I shared why I would.
Never said you should not.

If you were reading through this thread and found nothing that would keep you from using it it would be perfectly fine. This thread is beyond the choice of a simple browser usage though.

Firefox is open source. A fork with a less tainted name is always possible.

Google chrome and tor should be the only browsers we use in this day and age. 

This guy is not radical enough. Clearly these companies also have thousands of employees who didn't donate to the campaign against prop. 8. So they're silently condoning this hatred. Everyone who doesn't donate at least $1000 to every pro gay rights campaign is a bigot and should be sacked from their job and banned from ever working again. /s ::)

Or Chromium and Chromium OS Project?

Just downloaded Chromium now, Lets see how good it is.

What linux distro are you using?

https://i.imgur.com/fFnBBw1.jpg

http://thenextweb.com/insider/2014/05/16/chrome-still-used-across-desktop-mobile-firefox-falls-safari-ie/




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Zero proofs that was a factor but... Thank you Pink Mafia for your hard work... ;D

This changed my views on a lot of things. I changed my position on a Texas proposal to require more transparency in campaign contributions. I now believe that there is some serious merit to keeping contributions secret.

If you change your position regarding more transparency then those people would have won. Don't forget he did nothing wrong and prop 8 was passed with a majority of voters in California. Only after a judge said that vote had no value. Transparency will not make them go away, i. e. the people you don't share your views with, but it will make everyone a bit less vampire looking and more sunshine lovers.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2014/06/13/Intolerance-For-Christian-Views-Causing-Supporters-of-Mozilla-s-Eich-to-Stay-Mum