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Title: The US government has ordered MT Gox CEO to go to US
Post by: Aquent on April 15, 2014, 07:58:23 PM
FinCen has ordered Mark Karpeles to go to Washington on the 18th of April:

"The FinCEN Subpoena requires Karpeles to appear and provide testimony in Washington, D.C. on April 18, 2014 – the day after the scheduled Bankruptcy Deposition of Karpeles in Dallas. The FinCEN Subpoena did not attach a document request and did not specify topics for discussion."

http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/mt.goxflap.pdf


Title: Re: The US government has ordered MT Gox CEO to go to US
Post by: Pente on April 15, 2014, 08:07:47 PM
Are any of the bitcoin wager sites putting up odds on the likelihood of his arrest?


Title: Re: The US government has ordered MT Gox CEO to go to US
Post by: jonald_fyookball on April 15, 2014, 08:46:57 PM
anyone want to take any wagers on whether he will comply and go to US?
My money is on him not going.


Title: Re: The US government has ordered MT Gox CEO to go to US
Post by: giletto on April 15, 2014, 08:48:14 PM
For what reason he should go? French citizen with company in Japan...


Title: Re: The US government has ordered MT Gox CEO to go to US
Post by: Velkro on April 15, 2014, 08:51:39 PM
heard on reddit that mark refused to visit US
im so interested how it will end, whole this case


Title: Re: The US government has ordered MT Gox CEO to go to US
Post by: crazy_rabbit on April 15, 2014, 09:03:48 PM
Well, as a French Citizen, unless he's stuck in Japan for legal reasons (which I suspect he is) I would be trying to high tail it back to France where he couldn't be extradited. I suspect there are a lot of unhappy french bitcoiners though.....


Title: Re: The US government has ordered MT Gox CEO to go to US
Post by: apsvinet on April 15, 2014, 09:05:05 PM
Doubt he'll go, why would he? Interesting to see how it pans out however.


Title: Re: The US government has ordered MT Gox CEO to go to US
Post by: joae1975 on April 15, 2014, 09:09:11 PM
The Japanese could extradite him.  He should just move to N. Korea, he'll be safer there.


Title: Re: The US government has ordered MT Gox CEO to go to US
Post by: apsvinet on April 15, 2014, 09:10:37 PM
The Japanese could extradite him.  He should just move to N. Korea, he'll be safer there.
Why not disappear to some small island? :)


Title: Re: The US government has ordered MT Gox CEO to go to US
Post by: pening on April 15, 2014, 09:23:52 PM
For what reason he should go? French citizen with company in Japan...

Because he, or at least his company, is applying for bankruptcy protection in a Texan court.  iirc the Judge there said he needed to showup for the proceedings and Karpeles said he couldn't make it.  I rather think this is a response to that.


Title: Re: The US government has ordered MT Gox CEO to go to US
Post by: 7Priest7 on April 15, 2014, 09:24:31 PM
The Japanese could extradite him.  He should just move to N. Korea, he'll be safer there.
Why not disappear to some small island? :)
How would he spend all the bitcoins/usd he stole on a small island?


Title: Re: The US government has ordered MT Gox CEO to go to US
Post by: apsvinet on April 15, 2014, 09:25:21 PM
The Japanese could extradite him.  He should just move to N. Korea, he'll be safer there.
Why not disappear to some small island? :)
How would he spend all the bitcoins/usd he stole on a small island?

Ugh, by exchanging it to another currency, just like he would spend it in either Japan or North Korea?


Title: Re: The US government has ordered MT Gox CEO to go to US
Post by: jonald_fyookball on April 15, 2014, 09:30:49 PM
He may be currently hiding in china.


Title: Re: The US government has ordered MT Gox CEO to go to US
Post by: 7Priest7 on April 15, 2014, 09:31:28 PM
Ugh, by exchanging it to another currency, just like he would spend it in either Japan or North Korea?

Clearly you don't know anything about small islands.


Title: Re: The US government has ordered MT Gox CEO to go to US
Post by: apsvinet on April 15, 2014, 09:36:28 PM
Ugh, by exchanging it to another currency, just like he would spend it in either Japan or North Korea?

Clearly you don't know anything about small islands.
I was not talking about uninhabited islands. However, mr know-it-all, why don't you care to elaborate on your massive knowledge about spending a currency on small islands? Dick.


Title: Re: The US government has ordered MT Gox CEO to go to US
Post by: 7Priest7 on April 15, 2014, 09:44:56 PM
I was not talking about uninhabited islands. However, mr know-it-all, why don't you care to elaborate on your massive knowledge about spending a currency on small islands? Dick.
On a small island many things would have to be imported.
They will not have new Ferrari's around.
He would attract the attention of those he wronged.
Building a nice house would take MUCH longer.

Small islands are worse than a large city.

He could hide in a large city using a alias forever.
On a small island people will get to know him, his location would be made known.
He would be removed from his miserable scam artist existence.
Bitcoin attracted a lot of criminals, no matter where he hides his days are numbered.


Title: Re: The US government has ordered MT Gox CEO to go to US
Post by: clownius on April 16, 2014, 05:20:46 AM
Sounds like someone is in trouble for money laundering.  Allowing silk road funds on the exchange maybe.  If he goes he aint coming back and it wont be about stealing or loosing anyone’s Bitcoin.  Bluntly the US government has form on the stealing Bitcoin front already. 

Maybe they can add to their stash with mtgox's remaining 200k+ Bitcoins.  Thats a LOT more likely than the US government making him pay them out to creditors.


Title: Re: The US government has ordered MT Gox CEO to go to US
Post by: mezzomix on April 16, 2014, 07:50:44 AM
Maybe they can add to their stash with mtgox's remaining 200k+ Bitcoins.  Thats a LOT more likely than the US government making him pay them out to creditors.

At the moment there are 200k BTC + 650k BTC. If you trust the blockchain it is impossible that 650k BTC are lost because of transaction malleability. There is no other explanation from Mark what happened to our money so I have to assume he still controls those 650k BTC.

The Japanese could extradite him.  He should just move to N. Korea, he'll be safer there.
Why not disappear to some small island? :)

In this case it's time for a bounty to make sure he disappears forever. I cannot let him run with our 650k BTC.


Title: Re: The US government has ordered MT Gox CEO to go to US
Post by: borskiBartek on April 16, 2014, 08:09:39 AM
mark if u dont want to go to USA come to poland, i will treat you very nice.


Title: Re: The US government has ordered MT Gox CEO to go to US
Post by: apsvinet on April 16, 2014, 01:10:16 PM
Maybe they can add to their stash with mtgox's remaining 200k+ Bitcoins.  Thats a LOT more likely than the US government making him pay them out to creditors.

At the moment there are 200k BTC + 650k BTC. If you trust the blockchain it is impossible that 650k BTC are lost because of transaction malleability. There is no other explanation from Mark what happened to our money so I have to assume he still controls those 650k BTC.

The Japanese could extradite him.  He should just move to N. Korea, he'll be safer there.
Why not disappear to some small island? :)

In this case it's time for a bounty to make sure he disappears forever. I cannot let him run with our 650k BTC.

I'm sure he's fully aware of the danger he's in though. It'll be very interesting to see what he decides to do.


Title: Re: The US government has ordered MT Gox CEO to go to US
Post by: mezzomix on April 16, 2014, 02:17:47 PM
If he took the BTC he can simply give them back to us, if somebody else stole them, he could deliver enough information to be able to track the blockchain and verify this information.

At the moment he delivered a transaction malleability explanation which is clearly wrong.


Title: Re: The US government has ordered MT Gox CEO to go to US
Post by: 7Priest7 on April 16, 2014, 08:09:03 PM
If he took the BTC he can simply give them back to us, if somebody else stole them, he could deliver enough information to be able to track the blockchain and verify this information.

Right, He went to the trouble of orchestrating his heist of USD and BTC just to give them all back.
He knew what he was going to do before he started Mt.Gox. From the GetGo he planned to rob people.
On another thread here, there is all kinds of evidence that Mark is a long time scam artist.


Title: Re: The US government has ordered MT Gox CEO to go to US
Post by: clownius on April 16, 2014, 08:58:08 PM
Now hes had his access to mtgox pulled by all means go talk to the USG mark.  They may have a room for you at Gitmo.