Bitcoin Forum

Part 1
http://www.ronpaul2012.com/the-issues/abortion/

I really don't care if someone poisons a ball of cells with no nervous system, and politicians have no place in "defining life". Is a tumor "life"? Anyway, I see this being circumvented in much the same way cows and chickens are not animals (livestock and poultry, respectively) depending on where they live to avoid animal cruelty laws.

Currently, in our society, having a child at a young age pretty much guarantees you a life of debt, and young people are programmed to like sex so they often act contrary to their own interest. I see more cons in forcing all pregnancies to go to term (rise in black market abortions, increased number of people living in poverty, telling women "what to do with their bodies") than I do pros (makes me feel better about the world).

On the other hand, I don't agree with the courts justification of Roe v Wade (although IANAL). It seems to me that giving the Feds the power to intervene in state law on this matter should have been made in the form of an amendment. If this cannot pass, then it should be left up to each state to decide. This may cause inconvenience for some people but it is the way the system was set up to prevent totalitarianism.

Part 2
http://www.ronpaul2012.com/the-issues/ron-paul-plan-to-restore-america/
http://news.sciencemag.org/scienceinsider/2011/10/ron-paul-would-erase-billions-in.html?rss=1

Has anyone looked into the exact research projects being cut under his budget plan? Do we even need government funded research? I.e., in retrospect was the NASA moonshot a good thing? The human genome project? About $30 billion is spent on health-related research (NIH) per year. That works out to about 100 dollars a year per citizen donated to study of disease and understanding life. How many people here would donate to private funding agencies (such as American Heart Association, etc) to fund health research, and how much?

To keep with the AHA example, In 2010-2011, about 20% of their $620 million budget was needed for administration and fundraising:

http://www.heart.org/idc/groups/heart-public/@wcm/@global/documents/image/ucm_434630.jpg
http://www.heart.org/idc/groups/heart-public/@wcm/@fin/documents/downloadable/ucm_433433.pdf


See page 40 of this document for a breakdown of NIH spending. It reports about 5% is spent on administration, but a portion of the 53% that goes to research project grants is also going to be administration. One would need to go through each Institute's numbers to find out total overhead cost, and I need to go to work. Maybe I will do that later.
http://www.nih.gov/about/director/budgetrequest/NIH_BIB_020911.pdf

You're baiting progressives.  This should be interesting.  "But the government created the Internet!"

I'm not baiting anyone on purpose. I'm quoting primary sources, opinionating on it, and looking for feedback from the bitcoin community.

He has his faults, but he's the least of the evils right now.

America is going down the tubes.

RP can fix it

What's there to discuss?

FTFY

America, is gonna lose big time to China, RP or not.

China has already lost big time to america. What makes you say that?

how has China lost? US owes them money, china haves a Huge population, and generally happy and satisfied people. sure that are some critics.

sure America have some useless ethics and moral. but that does not make people happy.
the US have lost big time to China.

I owe you $100 and I have a problem. I owe you $1,000,000,000,000 and you have a problem.

I disagree with a lot of what RP says, but I mostly agree with the above sentiment.  Although they arent as much media constructs as they are hand picked representatives of big business.

So Id like to hear RP speak out more force fully against corporate election funding, superpacs, citizens united etc. IMO that is the crux of the problem. Once politicians again depend on popularity of their ideas instead of corporate funding, then you might again get elections that matter. I would vote for anyone who runs on that, with little regard of the rest of his POVs.

you still have a problem, if you own me $1,000,000,000,000. i could stop doing business with you, and 'starve' you to dead(no more iphones for you). or invade you, and take whats rightfully mine.

Same here.


As if that matters when it gets to that level. There is a reason the US has gotten away with its bullshit the last 60 years. They have a military ready to fight two fronts at once at any time, ready to go. The invasion you describe is lose-lose, and this has been the plan for decades. If, or when, the US falls it won't be to an invasion.

not if RP get to be president.

I don't think you understand American politics at all.

so US, is planning to do a Greece on China? Destroy their own reputation, so no one gonna do business with them, anytime soon? sure thing!

may america starve to dead, as long as they have "freedom".

well they could pay the money back, and still starve. then they would have a better rep.

Yeah more or less. If  the US suspended government and defense for a year, that would be best however.

So anyway... does anyone have a video of RP talking about the role of the government in science research?