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Title: MaidSafe = BTC Guild + Mt. Gox = SCAM ?
Post by: Albert Hamilton on April 24, 2014, 02:21:59 PM
In the MaidSafe/SafeCoin IPO they have raised 6,872.51708149 BTC as of yet, among which 1,318.18363754 BTC is still sitting on their account.

BTCGuild involvement proof = https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=579797.msg6372186#msg6372186

Mt. Gox involvement proof = https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=579797.msg6370852#msg6370852

Mt. Gox joined hand to BTC Guild to fool us ?


Title: Re: MaidSafe = BTC Guild + Mt. Gox = SCAM ?
Post by: templar77 on April 24, 2014, 02:29:04 PM
http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/news/breaking-mt-gox-maidsafe-gox-coins-flowing-maidsafe-ipo/2014/04/24

https://i.imgur.com/GdgEydK.png


Title: Re: MaidSafe = BTC Guild + Mt. Gox = SCAM ?
Post by: BitCoinDream on April 24, 2014, 02:42:30 PM
http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/news/breaking-mt-gox-maidsafe-gox-coins-flowing-maidsafe-ipo/2014/04/24


Should be on CoinDesk... the world should know how the big shots are trying to scam people.


Title: Re: MaidSafe = BTC Guild + Mt. Gox = SCAM ?
Post by: franky1 on April 24, 2014, 02:48:36 PM
http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/news/breaking-mt-gox-maidsafe-gox-coins-flowing-maidsafe-ipo/2014/04/24


Should be on CoinDesk... the world should know how the big shots are trying to scam people.

should be given to the lawyers actually.. media just pray on emotions. lawyers pray on prison sentances


Title: Re: MaidSafe = BTC Guild + Mt. Gox = SCAM ?
Post by: bryant.coleman on April 24, 2014, 03:18:15 PM
If we try really hard, then it will be possible to detain the Mt Gox thief. Just check the Maidsafe IPO applications details. And note the transaction time on Blockchain. Even if the IPO application details are falsified, the thief can be tracked through the IP address through which he applied.


Title: Re: MaidSafe = BTC Guild + Mt. Gox = SCAM ?
Post by: BitCoinDream on April 24, 2014, 03:40:52 PM
I used to look up to BTC Guild as a legit service. Dont understand why they got into this to make a bad name of themselves ?


Title: Re: MaidSafe = BTC Guild + Mt. Gox = SCAM ?
Post by: TrailingComet on April 24, 2014, 03:48:10 PM
Don't know about scam, Defo overpriced though


Title: Re: MaidSafe = BTC Guild + Mt. Gox = SCAM ?
Post by: aztecminer on April 24, 2014, 04:20:51 PM
your saying btcguild is a scam ?? i have serious doubts about that.


Title: Re: MaidSafe = BTC Guild + Mt. Gox = SCAM ?
Post by: BitCoinDream on April 24, 2014, 05:04:58 PM
your saying btcguild is a scam ?? i have serious doubts about that.

The proofs are showing BTC Guild is involved. Only they can clear out how they got involved into it !!!


Title: Re: MaidSafe = BTC Guild + Mt. Gox = SCAM ?
Post by: eleuthria on April 24, 2014, 05:10:07 PM
Are you people stupid?  The address linked to "me" is not mine.  It's the pool's wallet.  Roughly 25% of all coins mined in the last year can be traced back to that wallet.  If you're going to try to use taint analysis you should at least have a fucking clue what you're looking at first.

I have asked multiple times for blockchain.info to correct that tag and they do nothing as always.


Title: Re: MaidSafe = BTC Guild + Mt. Gox = SCAM ?
Post by: superduh on April 24, 2014, 06:18:18 PM
Are you people stupid?  The address linked to "me" is not mine.  It's the pool's wallet.  Roughly 25% of all coins mined in the last year can be traced back to that wallet.  If you're going to try to use taint analysis you should at least have a fucking clue what you're looking at first.

I have asked multiple times for blockchain.info to correct that tag and they do nothing as always.

ahaha, eleuthria for the obvious kill. he does have a valid point.


Title: Re: MaidSafe = BTC Guild + Mt. Gox = SCAM ?
Post by: Lauda on April 24, 2014, 07:25:02 PM
If we try really hard, then it will be possible to detain the Mt Gox thief. Just check the Maidsafe IPO applications details. And note the transaction time on Blockchain. Even if the IPO application details are falsified, the thief can be tracked through the IP address through which he applied.
What if he used a VPN or Proxy?


Title: Re: MaidSafe = BTC Guild + Mt. Gox = SCAM ?
Post by: eleuthria on April 24, 2014, 08:17:54 PM
Are you people stupid?  The address linked to "me" is not mine.  It's the pool's wallet.  Roughly 25% of all coins mined in the last year can be traced back to that wallet.  If you're going to try to use taint analysis you should at least have a fucking clue what you're looking at first.

I have asked multiple times for blockchain.info to correct that tag and they do nothing as always.
So then are you denying that you stole coins from Gox?  Are you denying that you had an inside deal with MasterProtocol to wash your dirty coins?  

I noticed you message didn't have any denials in there.  So, are you admitting these things?


Since you are a fucking conspiracy nut, here it is in unambiguous terms:  I do not invest coins into cryptocurrency businesses.  I do not invest fiat into them either.  I have no ties to Gox outside of selling coins on their platform up until the day DHS seized funds from them.  This applies to MaidSafe (whom I had never even heard of until these posts), and any other similar scheme.  Anybody who has been involved in BTC as long as me that continues to trust shit like this deserves everything that happens to them.

Grow a fucking braincell and you might realize that templar77's analysis has NO tie to me in any way.  It ties coins to my pool.  You can also find similar ties to Butterfly Labs, ASICMINER, HashFast, CoinTerra, and just about every other Bitcoin business/IPO/investment, because that pool has been in the top 3 pools since 2011, and was the source of ~25% of all coins generated in the last year.


Title: Re: MaidSafe = BTC Guild + Mt. Gox = SCAM ?
Post by: crazy_rabbit on April 24, 2014, 08:50:22 PM
Are you people stupid?  The address linked to "me" is not mine.  It's the pool's wallet.  Roughly 25% of all coins mined in the last year can be traced back to that wallet.  If you're going to try to use taint analysis you should at least have a fucking clue what you're looking at first.

I have asked multiple times for blockchain.info to correct that tag and they do nothing as always.
So then are you denying that you stole coins from Gox?  Are you denying that you had an inside deal with MasterProtocol to wash your dirty coins? 

I noticed you message didn't have any denials in there.  So, are you admitting these things?


Since you are a fucking conspiracy nut, here it is in unambiguous terms:  I do not invest coins into cryptocurrency businesses.  I do not invest fiat into them either.  I have no ties to Gox outside of selling coins on their platform up until the day DHS seized funds from them.  This applies to MaidSafe (whom I had never even heard of until these posts), and any other similar scheme.  Anybody who has been involved in BTC as long as me that continues to trust shit like this deserves everything that happens to them.

Grow a fucking braincell and you might realize that templar77's analysis has NO tie to me in any way.  It ties coins to my pool.  You can also find similar ties to Butterfly Labs, ASICMINER, HashFast, CoinTerra, and just about every other Bitcoin business/IPO/investment, because that pool has been in the top 3 pools since 2011, and was the source of ~25% of all coins generated in the last year.

I think eleuthria, you should take comfort in the supposedly Mark Twain quote that is always on my facebook feed:
http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/never-argue-with-stupid-people.jpg


Title: Re: MaidSafe = BTC Guild + Mt. Gox = SCAM ?
Post by: eleuthria on April 24, 2014, 08:54:07 PM
I think eleuthria, you should take comfort in the supposedly Mark Twain quote that is always on my facebook feed:

I'd probably ignore it...if it wasn't for trying to link me to some shitcoin.  Anybody who has paid attention to me in IRC (hell, even ScryptGuild's forum thread) would know I have no love for altcoins and hope they all die off.  The unofficial motto for ScryptGuild (in IRC) was "Rape and Pillage".  I have nothing against profiting off shitcoins, but I wouldn't invest a cent into one of them.


Title: Re: MaidSafe = BTC Guild + Mt. Gox = SCAM ?
Post by: eleuthria on April 24, 2014, 08:56:58 PM
You can also find similar ties to Butterfly Labs, ASICMINER, HashFast, CoinTerra,
So then you are saying that these guys are also involved in your little scheme to defraud others?

RawDog, since you're an obvious troll, I will communicate in terms your feeble mind can understand (meme images):

http://www.troll.me/images/thumbs-up-jesus-says/jesus-says-go-fuck-yourself.jpg


Title: Re: MaidSafe = BTC Guild + Mt. Gox = SCAM ?
Post by: Bit_Happy on April 24, 2014, 09:10:53 PM
I think eleuthria, you should take comfort in the supposedly Mark Twain quote that is always on my facebook feed:

I'd probably ignore it....

So you are not actually a sock puppet for Mark K?  ???
// Joking


Title: Re: MaidSafe = BTC Guild + Mt. Gox = SCAM ?
Post by: Lauda on April 24, 2014, 09:11:05 PM
You can also find similar ties to Butterfly Labs, ASICMINER, HashFast, CoinTerra,
So then you are saying that these guys are also involved in your little scheme to defraud others?

RawDog, since you're an obvious troll, I will communicate in terms your feeble mind can understand (meme images):
Don't listen to trolls. He might be jealous as well. Until he provides any or real proof he's just mumbling nonsense.


Title: Re: MaidSafe = BTC Guild + Mt. Gox = SCAM ?
Post by: Victor Beckham on April 24, 2014, 10:05:01 PM
You can also find similar ties to Butterfly Labs, ASICMINER, HashFast, CoinTerra,
So then you are saying that these guys are also involved in your little scheme to defraud others?

RawDog, since you're an obvious troll, I will communicate in terms your feeble mind can understand (meme images):
Don't listen to trolls. He might be jealous as well. Until he provides any or real proof he's just mumbling nonsense.

OP has already provided proof. What more one needs ? Someone stated on IRC that he does not like shitcoin will prove that he does not like quick money ? In his post templar77 clearly stated that this guy (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=9119) invested around 900 Bitcoins into MaidSafe. And this guy is saying templar77's analysis has NO tie to me in any way !!!


Title: Re: MaidSafe = BTC Guild + Mt. Gox = SCAM ?
Post by: eleuthria on April 24, 2014, 10:08:55 PM
You can also find similar ties to Butterfly Labs, ASICMINER, HashFast, CoinTerra,
So then you are saying that these guys are also involved in your little scheme to defraud others?

RawDog, since you're an obvious troll, I will communicate in terms your feeble mind can understand (meme images):
Don't listen to trolls. He might be jealous as well. Until he provides any or real proof he's just mumbling nonsense.

OP has already provided proof. What more one needs ? Someone stated on IRC that he does not like shitcoin will prove that he does not like quick money ?

The proof he posted is shit.  It's linking it to me via a tag on blockchain.info.

LOOK AT THE ADDRESS YOURSELF.  That is *THE BTC GUILD MINING POOL WALLET*.  The address which funded the IPO was NOT that wallet.  It was *another* wallet, which received funds from the mining pool wallet.  AKA:  A user on the BTC Guild pool.


Title: Re: MaidSafe = BTC Guild + Mt. Gox = SCAM ?
Post by: RawDog on April 24, 2014, 10:10:01 PM
RawDog, since you're an obvious troll, I will communicate in terms your feeble mind can understand (meme images):
But I got you on the first round.  It wasn't obvious then.  You gave a serious response.  You are too easy.


Title: Re: MaidSafe = BTC Guild + Mt. Gox = SCAM ?
Post by: BitCoinDream on April 24, 2014, 10:31:26 PM
You can also find similar ties to Butterfly Labs, ASICMINER, HashFast, CoinTerra,
So then you are saying that these guys are also involved in your little scheme to defraud others?

RawDog, since you're an obvious troll, I will communicate in terms your feeble mind can understand (meme images):
Don't listen to trolls. He might be jealous as well. Until he provides any or real proof he's just mumbling nonsense.

OP has already provided proof. What more one needs ? Someone stated on IRC that he does not like shitcoin will prove that he does not like quick money ?

The proof he posted is shit.  It's linking it to me via a tag on blockchain.info.

LOOK AT THE ADDRESS YOURSELF.  That is *THE BTC GUILD MINING POOL WALLET*.  The address which funded the IPO was NOT that wallet.  It was *another* wallet, which received funds from the mining pool wallet.  AKA:  A user on the BTC Guild pool.

It seems clear now how your name got involved into it where I believe U have nothing much to do about it. Can you plz do one favour to the community ? You probably know the person in your pool, who invested in the scam. This person must have some understanding to Gox coin owners. Both of them were just showing public that a huge investment is going to SafeCoin, whereas they all knew each other. So, can u please reveal the identity of this person involved in the scam ?



Title: Re: MaidSafe = BTC Guild + Mt. Gox = SCAM ?
Post by: eleuthria on April 24, 2014, 11:28:21 PM
I'm not revealing any identities about users of my pool, only that it's completely obvious it was a user of my pool that made the 900 BTC investment.  However, it has absolutely no ties to Gox.  Flow of coins linked to the "proof" (AKA: Eleuthria tag):

Eleuthria tag (BTC Guild pool wallet) -> *Automatic payout to user's wallet -> MaidSafe IPO.

At no point is Gox involved in that chain.  However, if Gox was involved in that chain, there's no chance in I'm going to disclose a user's information.  The only way user's information on BTC Guild would be revealed is if I have a court subpoena in front of me requesting information on a specific set of accounts.  And in that event, it certainly isn't going to involve me posting that user's information in public.



* There are a LOT of automatic payouts over a very long period of time to that user's wallet, it's not 900 BTC -> User Wallet -> MaidSafe.  There's also non-BTC Guild coins going to the middle address (I think).


Title: Re: MaidSafe = BTC Guild + Mt. Gox = SCAM ?
Post by: BitCoinDream on April 25, 2014, 08:48:50 AM
@eleuthria ok...


Title: Re: MaidSafe = BTC Guild + Mt. Gox = SCAM ?
Post by: jolipenria on April 25, 2014, 09:01:59 AM
at school I always had problems with dual equations ;D


Title: Re: MaidSafe = BTC Guild + Mt. Gox = SCAM ?
Post by: DrHaribo on April 25, 2014, 09:02:54 AM
I have asked multiple times for blockchain.info to correct that tag and they do nothing as always.

Probably best to stop using blockchain.info.

What's the best alternative?


Title: Re: MaidSafe = BTC Guild + Mt. Gox = SCAM ?
Post by: stormwarrior on April 25, 2014, 09:11:45 AM
what hell is going on? :(


Title: Re: MaidSafe = BTC Guild + Mt. Gox = SCAM ?
Post by: Testing123 on April 25, 2014, 10:33:38 AM
I have asked multiple times for blockchain.info to correct that tag and they do nothing as always.

Probably best to stop using blockchain.info.

What's the best alternative?


If you are looking for block explorer, you can use blockexplorer.com, blockr.io and biteasy.com
If you are looking for wallet, you can use SPV clients.


Title: Re: MaidSafe = BTC Guild + Mt. Gox = SCAM ?
Post by: Testing123 on April 25, 2014, 10:38:32 AM
what hell is going on? :(

Not really sure about mt.gox part, but the claim about btcguild is completely wrong, as explained in eleuthria's posts.


Title: Re: MaidSafe = BTC Guild + Mt. Gox = SCAM ?
Post by: BitCoinDream on April 25, 2014, 01:43:31 PM
I have asked multiple times for blockchain.info to correct that tag and they do nothing as always.

Probably best to stop using blockchain.info.

What's the best alternative?


I think it is not about using blockchain.info wallet. They tagged that address for his pool ...that is the problem.


Title: Re: MaidSafe = BTC Guild + Mt. Gox = SCAM ?
Post by: HCLivess on April 25, 2014, 02:22:39 PM
Why wouldn't this guy sell sell his BTC for some alt crypto with some random cryptsy account and then back in order to launder the money?


Title: Re: MaidSafe = BTC Guild + Mt. Gox = SCAM ?
Post by: Tomatocage on April 25, 2014, 02:50:22 PM
I like how they tried to make it look like a lot of different people were investing in the IPO when it was clearly a single person manually funding it himself. Every transaction is almost perfectly spaced out by 2-3 minutes. There's no transactions that happened near-concurrently as you'd expect to find had this been a normal organically funded IPO.


Title: Re: MaidSafe = BTC Guild + Mt. Gox = SCAM ?
Post by: murraypaul on April 25, 2014, 02:58:04 PM
what hell is going on? :(

Idiot posts misleading information.
eleuthria goes on first class rant.
Amusing Jesus image.
That pretty much sums it up.


Title: Re: MaidSafe = BTC Guild + Mt. Gox = SCAM ?
Post by: zerokwel on April 25, 2014, 09:46:47 PM
LOL I missed all the fun.

but yea eleuthria explained it well. Also I understand why eleuthria would not divulge any users info.
1) Data Protection Act (its what the uk has)    (I am sure america has something the same)

2) he might divulge that I use all my mining profits to buy German midget porn.

oh w8.......


Title: Re: MaidSafe = BTC Guild + Mt. Gox = SCAM ?
Post by: RawDog on April 25, 2014, 10:20:36 PM
what hell is going on? :(

Idiot posts misleading information.
eleuthria goes on first class rant.
Amusing Jesus image.
That pretty much sums it up.

lol!  I was the troll that sent him into a rage.  And the Jesus meme was for me.  I tell ya, guys are so fucking easy these days.  The troll business is definitely booming.  Did you guys forget? - it's the internet.


Title: Re: MaidSafe = BTC Guild + Mt. Gox = SCAM ?
Post by: DrHaribo on April 25, 2014, 10:49:04 PM
what hell is going on? :(

Idiot posts misleading information.
eleuthria goes on first class rant.
Amusing Jesus image.
That pretty much sums it up.

You forgot:

Some dude deletes his posts.
Pretends he was just trolling.
Tries too hard to make it look like trolling.
It becomes awkward.


Title: Re: MaidSafe = BTC Guild + Mt. Gox = SCAM ?
Post by: RawDog on April 25, 2014, 10:54:34 PM
what hell is going on? :(

Idiot posts misleading information.
eleuthria goes on first class rant.
Amusing Jesus image.
That pretty much sums it up.

You forgot:

Some dude deletes his posts.
Pretends he was just trolling.
Tries too hard to make it look like trolling.
It becomes awkward.

Mods deleted posts - I have a vulgar vocabulary
Ask anyone, I troll all the time.  No need to pretend.
Awkward?  not for me.


Title: Re: MaidSafe = BTC Guild + Mt. Gox = SCAM ?
Post by: DrHaribo on April 25, 2014, 11:08:53 PM
Dude. Half the thread is you trying to convince people you were trolling.

Noone believes you. Just let it go.


Title: Re: MaidSafe = BTC Guild + Mt. Gox = SCAM ?
Post by: BitCoinDream on April 26, 2014, 03:37:52 PM
what hell is going on? :(

Idiot posts misleading information.
eleuthria goes on first class rant.
Amusing Jesus image.
That pretty much sums it up.

You forgot:

Some dude deletes his posts.
Pretends he was just trolling.
Tries too hard to make it look like trolling.
It becomes awkward.

Mods deleted posts - I have a vulgar vocabulary
Ask anyone, I troll all the time.  No need to pretend.
Awkward?  not for me.

U were trolling about a serious business's reputation ? insane man !!!


Title: Re: MaidSafe = BTC Guild + Mt. Gox = SCAM ?
Post by: Bitcoinpro on April 26, 2014, 04:10:35 PM
I'm not revealing any identities about users of my pool, only that it's completely obvious it was a user of my pool that made the 900 BTC investment.  However, it has absolutely no ties to Gox.  Flow of coins linked to the "proof" (AKA: Eleuthria tag):

Eleuthria tag (BTC Guild pool wallet) -> *Automatic payout to user's wallet -> MaidSafe IPO.

At no point is Gox involved in that chain.  However, if Gox was involved in that chain, there's no chance in I'm going to disclose a user's information.  The only way user's information on BTC Guild would be revealed is if I have a court subpoena in front of me requesting information on a specific set of accounts.  And in that event, it certainly isn't going to involve me posting that user's information in public.



* There are a LOT of automatic payouts over a very long period of time to that user's wallet, it's not 900 BTC -> User Wallet -> MaidSafe.  There's also non-BTC Guild coins going to the middle address (I think).

that sounds so guilty


Title: Re: MaidSafe = BTC Guild + Mt. Gox = SCAM ?
Post by: BitCoinDream on April 27, 2014, 06:24:25 PM
I'm not revealing any identities about users of my pool, only that it's completely obvious it was a user of my pool that made the 900 BTC investment.  However, it has absolutely no ties to Gox.  Flow of coins linked to the "proof" (AKA: Eleuthria tag):

Eleuthria tag (BTC Guild pool wallet) -> *Automatic payout to user's wallet -> MaidSafe IPO.

At no point is Gox involved in that chain.  However, if Gox was involved in that chain, there's no chance in I'm going to disclose a user's information.  The only way user's information on BTC Guild would be revealed is if I have a court subpoena in front of me requesting information on a specific set of accounts.  And in that event, it certainly isn't going to involve me posting that user's information in public.



* There are a LOT of automatic payouts over a very long period of time to that user's wallet, it's not 900 BTC -> User Wallet -> MaidSafe.  There's also non-BTC Guild coins going to the middle address (I think).

that sounds so guilty

How come Eleuthria is guilty here ?


Title: Re: MaidSafe = BTC Guild + Mt. Gox = SCAM ?
Post by: wardla on April 29, 2014, 11:15:48 AM
The 16.5% stake is meant to provide with either shares or annual dividends (or both) based on the profits made by the new company ?

Will thid eventually lead to payment in full for all monies lost ?


Title: Re: MaidSafe = BTC Guild + Mt. Gox = SCAM ?
Post by: BitCoinDream on April 29, 2014, 01:09:02 PM
The 16.5% stake is meant to provide with either shares or annual dividends (or both) based on the profits made by the new company ?

Will thid eventually lead to payment in full for all monies lost ?

What is this 16.5% stake ? Can u plz xplain ?