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Title: Satoshi Nakamoto True Identity to be Revealed
Post by: MicroGuy on April 27, 2014, 12:50:08 AM
Former Gawker writer Adrian Chen has announced on Twitter that he’ll Doxx Satoshi Nakamoto this Wednesday. Doxxing is a process of exposing someone’s true identity.

The American freelance journalist, currently working as an editor for The New Inquiry, promised that there would be a live doxxing of Satoshi Nakamoto at IRL Club on Wednesday, April 30th, at 7:30PM.

Full Story: http://altcoinpress.com/2014/04/satoshi-nakamoto-true-identity-to-be-revealed/


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Title: Re: Satoshi Nakamoto True Identity to be Revealed
Post by: Burninj on April 27, 2014, 12:58:31 AM
Shit I new my true ID would be revealed...


Title: Re: Satoshi Nakamoto True Identity to be Revealed
Post by: Bitcoin Magazine on April 27, 2014, 01:00:02 AM
OK everyone don't be all excited when it turns out to be the train guy.

i've got some deep suspicions...  8)


Title: Re: Satoshi Nakamoto True Identity to be Revealed
Post by: sgravina on April 27, 2014, 01:05:34 AM
Was it William Shatner (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Shatner)?


Title: Re: Satoshi Nakamoto True Identity to be Revealed
Post by: pandacoin on April 27, 2014, 01:07:28 AM
Same boring news everyday. Don't these journalists have better things to do?


Title: Re: Satoshi Nakamoto True Identity to be Revealed
Post by: Playa on April 27, 2014, 01:09:54 AM
aaaand..it's Jackie Chan


Title: Re: Satoshi Nakamoto True Identity to be Revealed
Post by: poordeveloper on April 27, 2014, 01:13:55 AM
I'd say it's Chuck Norris. His work will at last be recognized :D


Title: Re: Satoshi Nakamoto True Identity to be Revealed
Post by: Bitcoin Magazine on April 27, 2014, 01:14:20 AM
I'd say it's Chuck Norris. His work will at last be recognized :D

i hope it's Hal.  like to see handicapped people in the news.


Title: Re: Satoshi Nakamoto True Identity to be Revealed
Post by: jinjuro on April 27, 2014, 01:20:38 AM
They better not do it. They will only ruin someones life.


Title: Re: Satoshi Nakamoto True Identity to be Revealed
Post by: raskul on April 27, 2014, 01:23:52 AM
it's ZIM.  ;D


Title: Re: Satoshi Nakamoto True Identity to be Revealed
Post by: MrBea on April 27, 2014, 01:32:48 AM
Its Kuato from Total Recall.
http://lh4.ggpht.com/-f2XQvHlQEMk/T9-mlHukpJI/AAAAAAAAF1w/KG5veNlBVHI/Kuato_thumb3.jpg?imgmax=800

Don't be scared when you meet him.  He's a mutant.


Title: Re: Satoshi Nakamoto True Identity to be Revealed
Post by: Bit_Happy on April 27, 2014, 01:43:49 AM
World-wide exclusive breaking news here
The true identity of former Gawker writer Adrian Chen is tonight being revealed:
He is actually Adrian Chen of The New Inquiry.   :D

http://counterkicks.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/gawker-adrian-chen-anonymous-tutu-reebok-shoe-on-his-head-emma-carmichael-2.jpg


Edit:
Chen is well known for raw investigative journalism and is certainly no stranger to controversy. In 2012, he won a Mirror Award for his story in Gawker revealing the true identity of Michael Brutsch, a Reddit moderator who oversaw several controversial forums such as r/creepshots and r/jailbait.

After the Newsweek fiasco of March, chances are that Chen has done his homework in the Nakamoto case and won’t make the same mistake that Leah McGrath Goodman made when she mistakenly reported a California retiree as being the infamous inventor of Bitcoin.


Title: Re: Satoshi Nakamoto True Identity to be Revealed
Post by: SirWilliam on April 27, 2014, 02:17:09 AM
Lol illiterate morons  ;D read the rest of the conversation

https://twitter.com/AdrianChen/status/460182798629076994


Title: Re: Satoshi Nakamoto True Identity to be Revealed
Post by: Bit_Happy on April 27, 2014, 02:25:01 AM
Same boring news everyday. Don't these journalists have better things to do?

http://altcoinpress.com is looking bad now, they wrote that article without looking at his next tweet.


Lol illiterate morons  ;D read the rest of the conversation

https://twitter.com/AdrianChen/status/460182798629076994

@gwern hey, I've still got 4 days to look. You never know!


Title: Re: Satoshi Nakamoto True Identity to be Revealed
Post by: elavenil on April 27, 2014, 02:36:59 AM
It will not happen.


Title: Re: Satoshi Nakamoto True Identity to be Revealed
Post by: luckyluigi on April 27, 2014, 03:10:31 AM
Same boring news everyday. Don't these journalists have better things to do?

http://altcoinpress.com is looking bad now, they wrote that article without looking at his next tweet.


Lol illiterate morons  ;D read the rest of the conversation

https://twitter.com/AdrianChen/status/460182798629076994

@gwern hey, I've still got 4 days to look. You never know!
Gotta be the first to break the news!


Title: Re: Satoshi Nakamoto True Identity to be Revealed
Post by: CryptoDomains on April 27, 2014, 03:20:42 AM
It was Al Gore, makes sense....to Al Gore.


Title: Re: Satoshi Nakamoto True Identity to be Revealed
Post by: haploid23 on April 27, 2014, 04:23:20 AM
Yet another journalist, revealing another satoshi. Anything else new?


Title: Re: Satoshi Nakamoto True Identity to be Revealed
Post by: Phinnaeus Gage on April 27, 2014, 05:00:15 AM
They better not do it. They will only ruin someones life.

How was Andreas' life ruined when all he did was secure a bitcoin wallet for donations?  ;D


Title: Re: Satoshi Nakamoto True Identity to be Revealed
Post by: Beliathon on April 27, 2014, 05:15:52 AM
They better not do it. They will only ruin someones life.
Most likely this is a weakass attention-grab for some no-name writer no one gives a shit about.

30 seconds of infamy, so to speak.


Title: Re: Satoshi Nakamoto True Identity to be Revealed
Post by: blatchcorn on April 27, 2014, 06:32:07 AM
We are all satoshi. If you have contributed to the community you have built Bitcoin


Title: Re: Satoshi Nakamoto True Identity to be Revealed
Post by: gagalady on April 27, 2014, 07:05:05 AM
Yeah right, It just some kind of "hot tile" topic but the content makes me laugh, I doubt anyone will reveal true Satoshi Nakamoto identity any time soon, he would not let this happen.


Title: Re: Satoshi Nakamoto True Identity to be Revealed
Post by: honglien on April 27, 2014, 07:07:02 AM
It was AM TRO


Title: Re: Satoshi Nakamoto True Identity to be Revealed
Post by: Swordsoffreedom on April 27, 2014, 07:10:13 AM
Really I bet its an elaborate one month late april fools joke lol.


Title: Re: Satoshi Nakamoto True Identity to be Revealed
Post by: keithers on April 27, 2014, 07:23:06 AM
There sure are a lot of Satoshi Nakamotos around now


Title: Re: Satoshi Nakamoto True Identity to be Revealed
Post by: Swordsoffreedom on April 27, 2014, 07:33:20 AM
There sure are a lot of Satoshi Nakamotos around now

He is the special class of anonymous :)


Title: Re: Satoshi Nakamoto True Identity to be Revealed
Post by: tokeweed on April 27, 2014, 08:29:12 AM
lol if it's actually dorian.


Title: Re: Satoshi Nakamoto True Identity to be Revealed
Post by: jabo38 on April 27, 2014, 08:38:43 AM
to buy or sell?


Title: Re: Satoshi Nakamoto True Identity to be Revealed
Post by: elasticband on April 27, 2014, 08:42:57 AM
I am batman


Title: Re: Satoshi Nakamoto True Identity to be Revealed
Post by: Bit_Happy on April 27, 2014, 09:28:55 AM
Satoshi is watching us from his large, comfortable spaceship.  
When he finally returns you can buy a ticket for only 10 BTC.  :D


Title: Re: Satoshi Nakamoto True Identity to be Revealed
Post by: jabo38 on April 27, 2014, 09:57:48 AM
I hope he doesn't dump his 10% of all bitcoins on Tuesday.


Title: Re: Satoshi Nakamoto True Identity to be Revealed
Post by: BitCoinDream on April 27, 2014, 10:00:29 AM
Now it has become like a monthly festival. Any news agency that is unable to attract people with real news is revealing Satoshi's identity !!! Now I need to contact some news agency to call me Satoshi Nakamoto next month, so that I can get some public donation too...


Title: Re: Satoshi Nakamoto True Identity to be Revealed
Post by: Nicolas Dorier on April 27, 2014, 10:02:19 AM
None sense, we all know that satoshi is an artificial intelligence created by the collective brain of internet.


Title: Re: Satoshi Nakamoto True Identity to be Revealed
Post by: Bit_Happy on April 27, 2014, 10:15:53 AM
None sense, we all know that satoshi is an artificial intelligence created by the collective brain of internet.

Hopefully he is not part of Skynet.  :o

http://static-mb.minutebuzz.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/terminator-skynet-545x407.jpg
Noooooo....


Title: Re: Satoshi Nakamoto True Identity to be Revealed
Post by: Nancarrow on April 27, 2014, 11:18:28 AM
I'd say it's Chuck Norris. His work will at last be recognized :D

i hope it's Hal.  like to see handicapped people in the news.

And I hope it's HAL, as I like murderous artificial intelligences.


Title: Re: Satoshi Nakamoto True Identity to be Revealed
Post by: LAMarcellus on April 27, 2014, 01:28:24 PM
I am Satoshi Nakamoto.

I recognize the corrupting influence the fractional reserve banks have on my government, countrymen, hell the whole world. I will do my part to end this evil.

I am Satoshi Nakamoto.


Title: Re: Satoshi Nakamoto True Identity to be Revealed
Post by: LiteCoinGuy on April 27, 2014, 01:34:09 PM
lets collect some donations for that (second) poor guy  :P


Title: Re: Satoshi Nakamoto True Identity to be Revealed
Post by: Bitcoin Magazine on April 27, 2014, 02:12:03 PM
Satoshi is watching us from his large, comfortable spaceship.  
When he finally returns you can buy a ticket for only 10 BTC.  :D

where's he takin' us


Title: Re: Satoshi Nakamoto True Identity to be Revealed
Post by: Beliathon on April 27, 2014, 02:22:15 PM
Satoshi is watching us from his large, comfortable spaceship.  
When he finally returns you can buy a ticket for only 10 BTC.  :D

where's he takin' us
I don't really give a damn as long as it's a place without fiat scrip, politicians, lawyers, bureaucrats, and organized religion.


Title: Re: Satoshi Nakamoto True Identity to be Revealed
Post by: Bitcoin Magazine on April 27, 2014, 02:28:40 PM
Satoshi is watching us from his large, comfortable spaceship.  
When he finally returns you can buy a ticket for only 10 BTC.  :D

where's he takin' us
I don't really give a damn as long as it's a place without fiat scrip, politicians, lawyers, bureaucrats, and organized religion.

Look i paid $24,000+ to a lawyer to defend me against a case i am innocent of just to make my parents happy.  It wouldnt have happened in a perfect world (without my parents)


Title: Re: Satoshi Nakamoto True Identity to be Revealed
Post by: CrackedLogic on April 27, 2014, 02:34:05 PM
I don't want this to be revealed.

It's gonna suck for him when his life gets turned upside left when press tries to get info 4rm him.


Title: Re: Satoshi Nakamoto True Identity to be Revealed
Post by: Phinnaeus Gage on April 27, 2014, 04:27:32 PM
I hope he doesn't dump his 10% of all bitcoins on Tuesday.

That would totally be ironic is SN is Belgium.


Title: Re: Satoshi Nakamoto True Identity to be Revealed
Post by: BittBurger on April 27, 2014, 05:36:15 PM
OK everyone don't be all excited when it turns out to be the train guy.

i've got some deep suspicions...  8)

We all do.

Even Andreas, I bet.

-B-


Title: Re: Satoshi Nakamoto True Identity to be Revealed
Post by: Sausage on April 27, 2014, 05:42:12 PM
OK everyone don't be all excited when it turns out to be the train guy.

i've got some deep suspicions...  8)

We all do.

Even Andreas, I bet.

-B-

It's not going to be train guy.


Title: Re: Satoshi Nakamoto True Identity to be Revealed
Post by: BittBurger on April 27, 2014, 05:49:10 PM
Quote
It's not going to be train guy.

Of course it has to be someone new for the purposes of the article.

But many have deep suspicions about Dorian.

My bet is that Dorian is one of the technical people.  Szabo is part of the initial group as well.  And dorians employment by the Govt on "top secret projects" right during Bitcoins formative years is deeply suspicious.  But I still think he should be left 100% alone.  I don't think its any coincidence whatsoever that Andreas is having pastrami lunch with him (https://twitter.com/search?q=aantonop%20pastrami&src=typd), and hanging out with him so much.  Pretty sure Andreas has better things to do..... if he didn't think this was Satoshi.... his lifetime idol. 

What's surreal and wonderful about teaching an old asian man the basics of bitcoin?   
Whats surreal and wonderful about hanging out with Satoshi?

And again, nothing bad about any of this.  Just have my hunches.  :)  Leave Dorian alone!   (except andreas)

-B-


Title: Re: Satoshi Nakamoto True Identity to be Revealed
Post by: MrWDunne on April 27, 2014, 05:52:50 PM
I expect this to be as well done and accurate as the last unveiling.


Title: Re: Satoshi Nakamoto True Identity to be Revealed
Post by: raskul on April 27, 2014, 05:56:43 PM
I expect this to be as well done and accurate as the last unveiling.

and someone will reap it in with BTC donations  ::)


Title: Re: Satoshi Nakamoto True Identity to be Revealed
Post by: Bit_Happy on April 27, 2014, 06:47:07 PM
Satoshi is watching us from his large, comfortable spaceship.  
When he finally returns you can buy a ticket for only 10 BTC.  :D

where's he takin' us

Basic Package:
For only 10 BTC you get to leave Earth and travel to Satoshi's secret world.

Deluxe Option:
For 50 BTC you can know in advance the destination, taste their food, see pictures of their women, etc.
Just make a 15 BTC down payment and you get most of it back if you do not like the details.   :D


Title: Re: Satoshi Nakamoto True Identity to be Revealed
Post by: poordeveloper on April 27, 2014, 06:56:28 PM
Satoshi is watching us from his large, comfortable spaceship. 
When he finally returns you can buy a ticket for only 10 BTC.  :D

where's he takin' us

Basic Package:
For only 10 BTC you get to leave Earth and travel to Satoshi's secret world.

Deluxe Option:
For 50 BTC you can know in advance the destination, taste their food, see pictures of their women, etc.
Just make a 15 BTC down payment and you get most of it back if you do not like the details.   :D

Also, for an extra 50 BTC:
  • Access to the VIP lounge
  • Receive double Satoshi Space Travel Miles
  • Travel in the Satoshi II, the most advanced way to reach Satoshi's secret world.


Title: Re: Satoshi Nakamoto True Identity to be Revealed
Post by: Bit_Happy on April 27, 2014, 07:03:15 PM
Satoshi is watching us from his large, comfortable spaceship.  
When he finally returns you can buy a ticket for only 10 BTC.  :D

where's he takin' us

Basic Package:
For only 10 BTC you get to leave Earth and travel to Satoshi's secret world.

Deluxe Option:
For 50 BTC you can know in advance the destination, taste their food, see pictures of their women, etc.
Just make a 15 BTC down payment and you get most of it back if you do not like the details.   :D

Also, for an extra 50 BTC:
  • Access to the VIP lounge
  • Receive double Satoshi Space Travel Miles
  • Travel in the Satoshi II, the most advanced way to reach Satoshi's secret world.

The Satoshi II is amazing!
Several special details cannot be revealed yet, but it is something you will never forget.


Title: Re: Satoshi Nakamoto True Identity to be Revealed
Post by: Bitcoin Magazine on April 27, 2014, 07:05:10 PM
can't i just pay 2.50 btc to get the space food (hope it's tacos) and then stay here on Earth


Title: Re: Satoshi Nakamoto True Identity to be Revealed
Post by: Bit_Happy on April 27, 2014, 07:12:08 PM
can't i just pay 2.50 btc to get the space food (hope it's tacos) and then stay here on Earth

We will need to ask Satoshi; I already quoted the first version of your post.


can't i just pay .007 btc to get the mcfood and then stay here on Earth

mcfood? = Yummy chemicals?
By the time Satoshi returns your .007 btc might buy you enough Steak and Lobster to last a week or more.

Can you imagine buying this for only 0.001 BTC?  :)
http://s3-media1.ak.yelpcdn.com/bphoto/ZkKLMfiLYiUdVt8H1qEzYQ/l.jpg



Title: Re: Satoshi Nakamoto True Identity to be Revealed
Post by: Bitcoin Magazine on April 27, 2014, 07:15:00 PM
can't i just pay 2.50 btc to get the space food (hope it's tacos) and then stay here on Earth

We will need to ask Satoshi; I already quoted the first version of your post.


can't i just pay .007 btc to get the mcfood and then stay here on Earth

mcfood? = Yummy chemicals?
By the time Satoshi returns your .007 btc might buy you enough Steak and Lobster to last a week or more.

Can you imagine buying this for only 0.001 BTC?  :)
http://s3-media1.ak.yelpcdn.com/bphoto/ZkKLMfiLYiUdVt8H1qEzYQ/l.jpg



all i care is if i'm eating that i'd be getting laid on a semi regular basis


Title: Re: Satoshi Nakamoto True Identity to be Revealed
Post by: Playa on April 27, 2014, 07:39:51 PM
can't i just pay 2.50 btc to get the space food (hope it's tacos) and then stay here on Earth

We will need to ask Satoshi; I already quoted the first version of your post.


can't i just pay .007 btc to get the mcfood and then stay here on Earth

mcfood? = Yummy chemicals?
By the time Satoshi returns your .007 btc might buy you enough Steak and Lobster to last a week or more.

Can you imagine buying this for only 0.001 BTC?  :)
http://s3-media1.ak.yelpcdn.com/bphoto/ZkKLMfiLYiUdVt8H1qEzYQ/l.jpg



Yeah, this picture actually make me feel hungry :/


Title: Re: Satoshi Nakamoto True Identity to be Revealed
Post by: Lethn on April 27, 2014, 07:42:35 PM
They better not do it. They will only ruin someones life.

I wish these Journalists would fuck off, I'm not a violent person but part of me wants to stick them in a space capsule and fire them in a random direction so they can go and try and act this way to an advanced alien race or get hit in the face by an asteroid, they have just no respect for peoples livelihood or privacy.


Title: Re: Satoshi Nakamoto True Identity to be Revealed
Post by: beetcoin on April 27, 2014, 07:50:48 PM
how do you guys feel about them doxxing satoshi? i kind of don't like it - the guy obviously didn't want the spotlight on him.

if some journalist for a website can figure out his identity, don't you think the government has already?


Title: Re: Satoshi Nakamoto True Identity to be Revealed
Post by: Guido on April 27, 2014, 08:05:07 PM
it's BS

he's pretty much loled at the fact an 'article' was written about it.
and jokes he has 4 days to find him

https://twitter.com/AdrianChen/status/460164769475866624


Title: Re: Satoshi Nakamoto True Identity to be Revealed
Post by: tins on April 27, 2014, 08:12:34 PM


Y'all are going to be shocked once it's confirmed that Al Gore created the bitcoin.


Title: Re: Satoshi Nakamoto True Identity to be Revealed
Post by: Bit_Happy on April 27, 2014, 08:16:56 PM


Y'all are going to be shocked once it's confirmed that Al Gore created the bitcoin.

...and Global Warming will destroy all alt coins.   :o
Hurry, we need an alt coin to save the Polar Bears?
(Note: "Global warming" might be a costly hoax)

http://img.thesun.co.uk/aidemitlum/archive/01527/polar-532_1527216a.jpg


Title: Re: Satoshi Nakamoto True Identity to be Revealed
Post by: tins on April 27, 2014, 08:20:53 PM


Y'all are going to be shocked once it's confirmed that Al Gore created the bitcoin.

...and Global Warming will destroy all alt coins.   :o
Hurry, we need an alt coin to save the Polar Bears?
(Note: "Global warming" might be a costly hoax)

http://img.thesun.co.uk/aidemitlum/archive/01527/polar-532_1527216a.jpg

Shit! My joke is going to create another shitcoin...:(
Look out, later this week we should see the PolarBearCoin (PBC) and AlGoreCoin (AGC) being introduced.



Title: Re: Satoshi Nakamoto True Identity to be Revealed
Post by: Bit_Happy on April 27, 2014, 08:37:58 PM


Y'all are going to be shocked once it's confirmed that Al Gore created the bitcoin.

...and Global Warming will destroy all alt coins.   :o
Hurry, we need an alt coin to save the Polar Bears?
(Note: "Global warming" might be a costly hoax)

http://img.thesun.co.uk/aidemitlum/archive/01527/polar-532_1527216a.jpg

Shit! My joke is going to create another shitcoin...:(
Look out, later this week we should see the PolarBearCoin (PBC) and AlGoreCoin (AGC) being introduced.


Some "fool" might try PolarBearCoin (PBC), but I don't think there is much chance of seeing Mr Gore any time soon.


Title: Re: Satoshi Nakamoto True Identity to be Revealed
Post by: poordeveloper on April 27, 2014, 08:44:50 PM


Y'all are going to be shocked once it's confirmed that Al Gore created the bitcoin.

...and Global Warming will destroy all alt coins.   :o
Hurry, we need an alt coin to save the Polar Bears?
(Note: "Global warming" might be a costly hoax)

http://img.thesun.co.uk/aidemitlum/archive/01527/polar-532_1527216a.jpg

Shit! My joke is going to create another shitcoin...:(
Look out, later this week we should see the PolarBearCoin (PBC) and AlGoreCoin (AGC) being introduced.


Some "fool" might try PolarBearCoin (PBC), but I don't think there is much chance of seeing Mr Gore any time soon.
Maybe releasing AlGoreCoin might make him signup for an account here? :D


Title: Re: Satoshi Nakamoto True Identity to be Revealed
Post by: Bit_Happy on April 27, 2014, 08:52:20 PM
Maybe releasing AlGoreCoin might make him signup for an account here? :D

Al Satoshi: Member since 2009  ;)


Title: Re: Satoshi Nakamoto True Identity to be Revealed
Post by: ghur on April 27, 2014, 09:01:28 PM
Yet another journalist, revealing another satoshi. Anything else new?

Idiots on the forums believing this news is real and not a joke on twitter. That's.. okay, that isn't new either. :)


Title: Re: Satoshi Nakamoto True Identity to be Revealed
Post by: johnyj on April 27, 2014, 09:46:13 PM
Goldcoin ad :-\


Title: Re: Satoshi Nakamoto True Identity to be Revealed
Post by: theskillzdatklls on April 27, 2014, 10:48:38 PM
I'll offer 10:1 odds its not a woman.  Min bet your 1k.  Can escrow.


Title: Re: Satoshi Nakamoto True Identity to be Revealed
Post by: ChetnotAtkins on April 27, 2014, 10:53:33 PM
I am amazed by the disregard of the usage of plural in the bitcoin whitepaper. Satoshi Nakamoto is most certainly a group of people, with various expertise in economics as well as mathematics and programming.


Title: Re: Satoshi Nakamoto True Identity to be Revealed
Post by: poordeveloper on April 27, 2014, 10:56:40 PM
I'll offer 10:1 odds its not a woman.  Min bet your 1k.  Can escrow.
What if he doesn't find her/him? Are bets void?


Title: Re: Satoshi Nakamoto True Identity to be Revealed
Post by: Rannasha on April 27, 2014, 10:56:45 PM
I am amazed by the disregard of the usage of plural in the bitcoin whitepaper. Satoshi Nakamoto is most certainly a group of people, with various expertise in economics as well as mathematics and programming.

It is standard to use plural in scientific papers even when there's a single author. The use of plural in the Bitcoin whitepaper says very little about its author other than that he/she/they may have some background in academia.


Title: Re: Satoshi Nakamoto True Identity to be Revealed
Post by: robelneo on April 27, 2014, 11:27:27 PM
I just hope when the real satoshi come out bitcoin will zoom up to $10000


Title: Re: Satoshi Nakamoto True Identity to be Revealed
Post by: theskillzdatklls on April 27, 2014, 11:32:54 PM
I'll offer 10:1 odds its not a woman.  Min bet your 1k.  Can escrow.
What if he doesn't find her/him? Are bets void?

Of course.