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Which is the best one that will ship immediately, as in today. Everyone says Zeus Miner this, A2 Terminator that. But when are these actually shipping and do any of them use Escrow/Paypal instead of pre-orders or bank wire transfer?

Who here actually has any of these in their hands on this forum and is hashing with them?

Gridseed Blade - 5 / 6 Mh/s for $1500 - $1600 - check Minereu and Gawminer.

HASHRA will announce their miner and will start shipping soon.

What about the A2 terminator?

+1 - best deal around - I have several

what does Hashra have coming out?

They are going to release their own product instead of reselling Gridseed miners... Check their website www.hashra.com at 2pm (GMT) -- Not sure about the spec but I am hoping for a powerful but affordable miner

did you made roi with it?

it will take 4.5 months to break even - but the cash flow is a helluva lot better than letting the money sit in a mutual fund.

Are they just annoucing some miner or will it be available and ready to ship?

re: New Hashra units coming out June 12 : I'm looking at their site now.

I'm a little impressed but not super impressed.

I have two Mining Asic Units on order which will give me 250 Mh/s and I expect them by the 2nd week in august. I'm in the first batch and I spent about $11k

so let's divide Cost/Mhs

Mining Asics : $11,000/250 : $44/Mhs

Now I look at these units and their top of the line is $15000 for 90+ MH - let's assume it's 100 MHs for arguments sake - : $15,000/100 : $150/mh

I'll wait the extra 8 weeks for such a huge advantage

Now - let's look at the Gridseed Blades VS their Lunar Lander Warp 2 @ 15 MHs

Blades 6 X $1,400 to get 30 MHs = $8,400 : 8400/30 = $280/Mhs
Lunar Lander Warp 2 : $5,350 : 5350/30 : $178/Mhs

Their Lunar Lander Warp 2 is a good deal and their Lander 1 is a good deal compared to Blades

so for what's available today - their Lander 1 & 2 are good deal - their higher end units are not worth the money when you could wait an extra 6 to 8 weeks and get three times the hashing power for the same money.

I've been in touch with Marc at Mining Asics and the beginning of August is realistic for their first batch of units.

But I think it's cool they've upped the ante - because it's good for all of us who mine scrypt coins and want the best bang for their buck.

I have been mining with 25 MH's  since early March...  See you in Aug(More likely Sept)    ;D

It's not available today tho, its june 10th.

correct and I do reference that fact if you look at the difference in weeks I have quoted for delivery.

but to be sure - this announcement basically kills all Gridseed Blade sales - who in their right mind would spend the money now. I'd wait the 5 weeks for one of these. In fact I'm going to order one today.

Is hashra a reputable company? Will they actually ship on the 10th

they are a very reputable company and have delivered hundreds if not thousands of Gridseeds - I have purchased from them.

they're offering full refund if they're not able to deliver in 5 weeks (I think they say June 10th) - so it appears as though they're confident they'll deliver.

even if they're late I'm sure they'll quickly find buyers on units for anyone who wants a refund. they're 15 mh and 30 mhs units are great deals

the zeusminer seems like a better deal

18mh for 3k with 100% (now80%) free cloud hashing upgrade and shipping May31

to my knowledge they have never delivered anything to anyone yet

true.. but neither has hashra to an extent.. sure they've resold gridseed's but this is the first time theyve delved into the hardware fab side of things

all true - but at least they have a reputation to bank on....

 3k for 18 KH plus free cloud is pretty nice though.

Can someone tell me how long do those ASICs last? and why?

perhaps years - depends on quality of manufacturing...

http://iroi.seu.edu.cn/books/asics/Book2/CH01/CH01.htm

but i heard a lot of the BTC asics last for a couple of months, why isn't it the same here?

its just all about ROI... these asic's lose value quick after they are released and in the market

It's all about number game right now .Lightning asic sold 75 MH for 12K and now they are selling 90 MH for same price .

I dont think theyve shipped any yet. they just have prototypes and claiming they are in stock

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=578875.msg6491085#msg6491085 is taking delivery of Innosilicon units over the next few days. They work out per Mh very slightly cheaper than Zeus too.

Not exactly shipping *today* to customers, but as close as you'll get at this time.

If you check their official thread , they have already shipped about 86 MH miners already .

forum members have already received them?

asiabtc , the owner of Lightning asic has good reputation and has always delivered the  product .He posted that he shipped 86 MH miners as of today , so I believe pictures and videos of working miner will be posted soon as soon as they are received .

is there thread someone online where people who have placed orders are talking about this? I'd like to follow it.

there's also no explanation on their website of how long you get the extra 80% from their hosting service.

it's a toss up for me...

I have faith in hashra at this point and they're offering a 10% discount right now which brings the price per mh to $166 for their 15mhs unit and the zeusminer also turns out to be $166/mhs. They've been in business a while and are offering a full refund is they don't meet their delivery date - zeusminer on the other hand says they're ahead of schedule but dance around the delivery date if you read their progress report.

in any event - information at this point is good information. - thanks

by the way - Zeusminer is non committal on the timeframe for the extra 80%

just an fyi:

I've negotiated with that guy in the past - he's screwed a few people in the past but it appears as though someone else is involved in that deal also who may be a little more legitimate.

if you check that guys history on the forum pcfli you'll find it's fairly tarnished.... people not getting equipment they paid for - although I have no doubt the machine their talking about is real. It's seem pretty 'cobbled' from what I could see in the video and it's priced awefully high when uou compare it with Mining Asics Units which granted ar two months away from you get 3 times the hashing power for the same price.

their 90 mhs unit is : $133 per mhs

Maining Asics : $48 per mhs

I think i'll wait

if you read the thread no one has receive them - but I have no doubt they're real - they're just not a GREAT DEAL

Until someone comes out with a unit that's under $50/mhs for the smaller miners who can't afford the $8K, $10k or $12k unit we are stuck with having to pay about $150/Mhs and no one has an answer yet.

Really, do you have a link to anything concrete? All I can find are minor issues that are resolved fairly quickly.

get in touch with forum member: nitehawk

I can see from the thread they you're spending money - but it appears as though you're going through the other guy Mr. Li - so that's good. My recommendation is that your squeeze pcfli for every penny because he will negotiate and negotiate BIG TIME - he's got a lot of room in his pricing. I know that from experience. Squeeze all these guys - their markup is HUGE!!!

make a rediculously low offer and see what happens - the worst that can happen is that you get turned down, but at least it's a starting point for negotiations.

best of luck to you

ps: if you need a contact in china that can deal direct with the factory that builds these things I have one there. I had an intern from U of P Wharton School working for me a few years ago and he lives in China and told me that he'd be happy to contact any of the factories that build these things are get the bottom line price. I'll connect you with him on Facebook if you're interested - just PM me - I want to make sure my forum brethren are not being taken advantage of.

Thanks, I'll take that into consideration.

Without wanting to steer this thread too off-topic, I'd have to say that the question is not necessarily about who is going to deliver first, but what is going to be the response of these smaller Chinese vendors to the eventual release of Zeus, Alpha, Fib, KnC and any others that might be delivering in the next few months.

Those companies tend to have a more 'Western' client base because their marketing image is more developed and, therefore, their customers feel a little more comfortable dealing with them than the less-than-well-known Chinese vendors.

The Innosilicon devices are 28nm, they've done a pretty impressive job in bringing that to market so soon. The price of their devices can only go down over time, if they get a good reputation for reliability we may see people dropping their pre-orders from the other companies as the comfort-level with the Chinese distributors increases.

oh - the Chinese will never be left behind in the dust - they'll drop their prices and be competitive - no doubt - hey - competition is good for all of us.


I absolutely agree and I am sure the guys at KNC Miner and Mining Asics have taken notice.

what gives me a lot of satisfaction is NOW I really know what a unit that can hash this high CAN ACTUALLY BE BUILT! I am sure you feel the same way!

Jeff

Whats wrong with you people? Don't you realize when 100,000Mh/s hits the alt pools it will cause the price of all the alts to crash?

I bet 99% of the alts Fork to SCRYPT-N just to keep from getting destroyed.

+1 agree
asic scrypt will make ALT price crash
too much asic monster will destroy alt  :-[
need Fork to SCRYPT-N ASAP

I'm wiling to lay odds that you're wrong...

mining farms didn't crash bitcoin....

and by the way - we don't need asic to crash the prices - look at Vertcoin and the X11 coins - no one is interested. The prices are in the dumps

here's a fact - GPU mining will become a thing for the nerds - this market is going more and more to people with hashing power - it's plain and simple. There's a train coming down the tracks you can either climb on board or get out of the way to avoid being run over....and trust me - I feel your pain - I have three GPU mining rigs, but I embrace change not fight with algo's and I have multiple asic miners and it's a lot less stressful mining with asics and I can focus on managing my coins and not babysitting rigs.

and my electric bills are less also!

there are over 20,000 gridseeds running and they havn't crashed alt prices....

the sky is falling...

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=593553.0

hashra units are very similar permance wise to what inosilicon resellers are selling here in the forums and are more expensive

so probably based on innosillicon too edit - its zeus hardware and will be outdated by the time they ship

i think ill pass and wait for price/mhs to drop to knc level and see if its still worth it

the original question asked, never really got answered

does anyone have these in hand now, working,

if so which

i find it hard to believe these units were developed

the cost of asic development is very very high

the price of scrypt 1024 coins is no where near enough to really trigger the market,

i guess it is not imossible

seems crazy

well - I have gridseed blades and I think I'm going to order a 30mhs hasra unit on monday - they're offering a nice discount and it will double my hashing power.

the only one thats currently available is gridseed 5.2mhs blade or 0.3mhs heatsink

it works fine but is overpriced and wont pay off

everything else you can see is just hype

nothing else except gridseed has been shipped and tested yet

thanks , i figured as much

Seriously, don't buy scrypt ASIC even if you can buy it right now. You won't recover your cost before the massive difficulty hike.....

Difficulty hike on which coins? With at least 5 new coins every day how is difficulty an issue?

Gawminers just announced some ASIC Scrypt miners with or without hosting option:

Fury 1Mh/s

199 $

Black Widow 13Mh/s

2.099 $

The Flacon 27Mh/s

3.500 $

The War Maschine 54 MH/S

6.800 $

With Hosting it could be a good deal. I just have 2 Blades hosted from them and everything works fine. The miners go online 02 June or shipped.

Find out more here: http://www.gawminers.com/?ref=sloyalty&token=txF3jKPb1BGj

you're spelling skills leave a lot to be desired - LOL

but the 'Falcon' is a good deal compared the 30Mhs Hashra unit I was getting ready to order.

Your*. If you wanna insult someones spelling, at least do it properly.

LOL - thanks for the smackdown - I had it coming : LOL  :o

Cute :D ..

burner - thanks for the new from gawminers - I started a thread on the asic cost per mhs wars and I wrote about them.

cool - I sent them an email - I want to order one.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=595291.0

I have two A2 terminator-90 in my room right now and have tested for 48 hours,  i will give some comments on this miner
1) the hash rate:
    it is true that it can perform a 86 M H/s even on the pool, but there is still some annoying problem.
    1) sometimes, one or two blade of 6 blades will only perform half of its expected hash rate and you need re-start the miner to get it back
    2) one of the two miners now can only perfrom 30M hash rate, and i have confirmed it is the sd card cause the problem
2) power usage
    that is do doubt that it only need 900W with 6 blade and 90M hash rate
3) temperature
    compared with A1 chip based 1T dragon miner, the temperature of this miner is very low, only a little warm on the surface when the room temperature is about 25 degree. it is very like the first version of A1 chip based 1T bitcoin miner.

4) shipment issue
   all of the two miners cannot work after shipping from shenzhen to nantong, and i finally figure out that one miner has the same issue of loosing cable, but another was repaired after replacing the raspberry pi.

Suggestion:
As i know, this A2 terminator will put into market within 10 days, but you would better find a good supplier who can provide quick supply when you have problem, otherwise you will lose a lot if you cannot get it online as soon as your receive it, the most profit day is the first week you get it online, after that, you will see the difficult go skyrocket.

Welp. right now happens to finally be right now.

I would like to point out that the hosting rates being quoted by Zeus for units to be shipped to GAWMiner (when they actually start shipping, of course) are extremely high. Terry has quoted $5 per megahash per month, which is a large chunk of change considering these scrypt units consume significantly less electricity than Bitcoin miners.

Pcfli has three units hosted for me at $225 each per month, which is less than half of what is being charged by Zeus and GAW.

it should also be mentioned here tha  Hashra has lowered their prices substantially, I will post them a little later.

*least

If you're going to correct someones spelling at least do it right.

hey my friend - if you bothered to look at other posts you'd see I apologized for my mistake - but yes - I was like the pot calling the kettle black. LOL

By the way - If you can't decide on how to spend your money I will be leasing miners soon in a hosted facility.

You can outright lease or lease to own miners will comes in 15 MHs increments up to an unlimited hash rates.

or you can purchase with my hosting.

all miners will be located on a private network behind a Juniper firewall and double password protected with 'natting' in effect for security.

15mhs should always get you between $35 & $45 USD/day and if you can leave it alone and not constantly switch coins you'll get revenue 24x7x365

The data center is near Newark Delaware.

:)

My friend bought a A2 from Zoomhash and it should be here next week.  I'm setting it up for him.  Hope it works out for him and hope he gets his ROI back.  He want to buy more if they work good.  I'll review the box after I get it running for a few days.

same units as gawminers - different coloring and lettering.

:)

update information on new scrypt miner
Name: Dragon challenger 30M scrypt miner
Hash rate:28-35M(need confirmation)
power usage:1000w on wall
Price: still not released but will be very attractive
detail information are updated in the following presentation
https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1ADyxiuUUrmZfqKiw2E2oqFGWwdy4TdapDl7rv8L9Cew/edit?usp=sharing

if you release it at $2,999 - you'll kick everyone's ass!

The magic number here in the states is: $100/mhs

If you get the $/MH under $100 and you'll dominate the industry for the next 8 to 12 weeks...until the BIG BOYS arrive - KNC Miner and Mining Asics which will be under $50/Mhs.

The best Deal going right now is the Hashra 30 MH unit.

Hashra.com is offer a big discount  - 15% off right now - delivery by the end of may - $121/Mhs (30 Mhs) and the Hashra unit takes 300W less than yours

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=601217.new#new

This +100, come in at 2999 and I will purchase on the day it releases!  SAY NO TO PRE-ORDERS :)

a2 is inosilicon 28 nm available now

its not the same

gaw and hashra are peddling zeus hardware which is 55nm and not available now

but the a2 is way expensive...

how does that make them "same units as gawminers - different coloring and lettering" ??

are you saying that this box : http://zoomhash.com/collections/top-sellers/products/the-dragon-128-chips-2-blades-27mh-s-650w

has a2 boards?

where did i say that ??

a2 is the one that has a2 in the title

http://zoomhash.com/products/88-000khs-95-000khs-a2-scrypt-asic-stock-in-hand

price is nuts....


I'll wait another 10 weeks and get my 250 MHS units from mining asics for the same price.

even with increases in difficulty it's worth waiting and there's no real money in ltc and doge which I don't mine anyway - I strictly mine new releases where I can make better money.

but for someone who doesn't mind spending a lot today for something that will be functionally archaic on 10 to 12 weeks I'm sure it's reasonably priced.

I think the guys are lightninhg asics are selling the same box for $1k less - I've been getting one up and running remotely for a guy in germany today

mining asics has never supplied a bean to date bare that in mind  ;)

and neither did any of the current suppliers at one point in time so what really is your point?

that's coming to an abrupt end very soon

I just got done speaking with them - scrypt prototype coming very very soon....

LOL

http://youtu.be/lBfheXMVOeg