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Title: Removing legacy scammer tags Post by: theymos on May 10, 2014, 04:12:53 PM Before the trust system was added, I would manually add a SCAMMER tag to the accounts of people who were proven scammers, likely alts of scammers, and sometimes to hacked accounts (if they were being used for scamming). Because the trust system now exists, I will be removing all old scammer tags in about 7 days. If you still don't trust any of these people, you should manually give them negative trust.
The scammer tag also prevents people from deleting or editing their posts. If you suspect that any of these people will start deleting posts, you should make a note of their post count. I can restore any deleted or edited post if necessary. Here's the list of people with scammer tags currently. People in bold will retain a hidden scammer tag so that they cannot delete their posts. dank Nefario Clipse cablepair PatrickHarnett shakaru chungenhung bitlotto pirateat40 ianbakewell BTC guy Aahzman amazingrando kr4x FooDSt4mP hashking limitless vdragon R- nckrazze demonofelru saudibull Andrew Bitcoiner Sjalq Bind Hollie cryptoxchange killer2021 newdude TizzyTazzy Snapman Joshster joeyjmr8484 AlternativeCypt SHlFT Stefanie Andrea DoubleIcaras wildemagic lolcat constitution NINJA-- snedie bitdaytrade bitscalper mu50stang yacoin jetset220 Leon kingkatari MartinReynolds slammed Juneteenth Jermainé brunoshady Breen2543 Zem SynOps carebear iamtheone RyanWebber gurg2.o Bush wong RAP bayer Icy- pippipcheerio HonorMe kujoking7 epiks mining4fun11 penetration Bitcraft laydum mexxer bombshelterzero cardinalG furrycoat Gluskab ThyDude Clarithium Xanax SouthernComfort borito4 Black_Star RustyRyan btcmank Zombie Globes sylkyx kidage john_nalpa Amanda lxFlasHxl Anonymouss tmac667 loadrs2009 dareq rothglobal quartz92 Alwaysmining Si Robertson on9isrock AaronBreillat unkn0wn12 FocusMedia illWill TheLastDovah DiamondPlus Exo caradenada Intueri AndrewJ Pearikay darvil mini_lol bitcoinhero JCbit MaxPumper LionHeart Bitzing OMGBobMarley ex0420 thebitbabe Jimmysmith tachi641 anonameous CouragedOne madload .ME HaRRo siesatsu TORwallet turquoise9955 BTC4PPGBP PPoweredP Ryuguy ChickaDee . Bitexchange DrZaius AreYouCereal firstlady0524 mixmastermine Meddol bcjunkie Julia Sanders NoValues etsanchez Dakster arobinson dayasinfo Alexsandr boogiedown MiddleMan rodneycubed BitCoinBoom MikeT MouseTrap Randy CNClove Gabriellz9 boatedaces 008 satosamoto foofight Kz3ro InterCoin wjohnnyw PayPal vincentio TigerGuy007 Lieutenant Dan Powercoiner moneypak FastCoin Diamond CeltixBos Raeldi Aldun btclaw BTCMover MoneypakBuyer endercoin happyworld3000 sellbitcoins partyjumpyup Tucker Riddleman zionist shill moomerycreamery ndawg4554 nckfor daywalker Linux min0r btcace Oracle24 AshShep thegogos Darknesss SellBitcoinsTo crzr CrowdCrackingGroup diegospensi7 Lavada hilarioprnce7 errtest trusturtechnolust Lang bitcento kellyhuta64 lolbillfrist pooraich jimmi12 iamstimpy uAbbieBartonq azerty6757 Miss_Magenta emoryyrer96 Bitcoinmaker pandapeluche matthewdowns1128A1F5 conradinoz76 bitboy999 rockstarshorty21 cspalmer2 chevo headhunter KatiHahnA sarajasie0C2C bryankfurw05 brigitte2378sack xerces edwinaphan7 MSTRKRFT williamsnider72 Sandragutierre24Y jeraldftizt65 joan48ellis cocopuffs1003 colliefan1 DigiZ TheRonPaulKid stevguthie7 fiveletterword Exclusive lfelicols12t SusanaMenor23 ymfeeling Robert William Bonzi balmut051 carsonchassy5 UnKnOwNiSh BTCPlay terrence IllBill milardistone41 Lubaday krypton85 susanakaul iPhone.5 leahsandes MellisaAnn westcoastconnect jjfarren GammaRayCoin millermint BitcoinSolutions ElectricBTC Maddhatter ScoobieDoo SwimsuitPaul cbuchnner1 Hellaphunt John (John K) IMPERSONATOR thecanadian420 cotoro Zyzz Randal112 fake_gwillen Robert Fienstien mikel123 Skyliner RushBit mgmtlol HiddenTesoro Z3R00 BitcoinSmarket Maldun SpeedGold ExclusiveBTC Plateen BitcoinDoubleSpender Elderal Title: Re: Removing legacy scammer tags Post by: 2112 on May 10, 2014, 04:21:30 PM If I may have a small suggestion related to this issue:
On the user stats page display "total post count (including deleted posts)". This should be a very simple SQL query that doesn't create much overhead in the software. This could save a lot of people additional manual work, and that includes moderators and administrators. You are mostly concerned with scammers, whereas my concern is mostly with flip-floppers, people who habitually post strawmen or impulsive and emotional posters. Title: Re: Removing legacy scammer tags Post by: goozman96 on May 10, 2014, 04:29:01 PM What's the point in doing this? Just seems like extra unnecessary work.
Title: Re: Removing legacy scammer tags Post by: AaronBreillat on May 10, 2014, 04:34:26 PM Interesting move. That as unexpected.
I'm assuming there is no way for users to retain their scammer tag if they want to keep it? :( It will be interesting to see how this plays out nevertheless. I think we're going to see some of those accounts coming back from the grave. Title: Re: Removing legacy scammer tags Post by: theymos on May 10, 2014, 04:37:07 PM I'm assuming there is no way for users to retain their scammer tag if they want to keep it? :( No. Title: Re: Removing legacy scammer tags Post by: AaronBreillat on May 10, 2014, 04:42:33 PM I'm assuming there is no way for users to retain their scammer tag if they want to keep it? :( No. A part of me feels like a piece of Bitcoin history has just been lost. I'm going to miss my tag :( Title: Re: Removing legacy scammer tags Post by: goozman96 on May 10, 2014, 04:43:00 PM I'm assuming there is no way for users to retain their scammer tag if they want to keep it? :( Title: Re: Removing legacy scammer tags Post by: mprep on May 10, 2014, 04:44:55 PM I'm assuming there is no way for users to retain their scammer tag if they want to keep it? :( Title: Re: Removing legacy scammer tags Post by: AaronBreillat on May 10, 2014, 04:46:03 PM I'm assuming there is no way for users to retain their scammer tag if they want to keep it? :( This! Title: Re: Removing legacy scammer tags Post by: Lauda on May 10, 2014, 04:49:48 PM So basically you're saying that scammer tags will be completely removed from the forum?
Title: Re: Removing legacy scammer tags Post by: AaronBreillat on May 10, 2014, 04:52:37 PM So basically you're saying that scammer tags will be completely removed from the forum? No. The old type like mine <<< they haven't given these kind out in a long time. We'll have to use the trust system to mark scammers from now on. Title: Re: Removing legacy scammer tags Post by: AaronBreillat on May 10, 2014, 05:17:01 PM If they are scammers why not ban? why even bother to let them roam around the boards and be able to post? Well the main reason is in many cases people have been given scammer tags and later had them removed after refunding people. Other reason is banning them is useless as they will just make another account. Most scammers do that anyway. But for people who continue using outed accounts at least their posts are confined to one account which people can put on ignore if they don't want to read. And scammers can still add to the discussion. Many are knowledgeable in niche areas that most people wouldn't know about, such as (as random examples) weakneses in anti-fraud systems or hacking. So their input in discussions may be quite valuable. Title: Re: Removing legacy scammer tags Post by: Vod on May 10, 2014, 06:13:02 PM This is unfortunate news. :-[
Edit: I understand now why this is necessary and agree with the way Theymos is handling things. Title: Re: Removing legacy scammer tags Post by: bitbitz on May 10, 2014, 08:12:53 PM Yet tradefortress and BFL operators are still allowed to post freely on the forum. What has this forum come to...
Title: Re: Removing legacy scammer tags Post by: deadley on May 10, 2014, 08:17:21 PM Its really very risky, mostly scammer tags account are senior or hero account, if tag remove from them, they will easily goin to market and try to trade and will scam again. Coz of their senior member or Hero member account new member will trust them and will send them first and then they will run away.
Title: Re: Removing legacy scammer tags Post by: BawsyBoss on May 10, 2014, 11:33:05 PM Yet tradefortress and BFL operators are still allowed to post freely on the forum. What has this forum come to... Scammers are allowed to keep posting because there is more of a chance that more information will come out of them or that they decide to return whatever they scammed if they have the chance to speak up or chat with others.Title: Re: Removing legacy scammer tags Post by: Welsh on May 11, 2014, 01:32:41 AM I don't quite understand why these need to be removed. I think having those and the trust system would work fine together, the trust system can be used like normal but, the scammer tags are issued when it has been confirmed that the person scammed. What we are effectively doing is removing a layer of protection.
Obviously, you justified giving them the tag in the first place so I don't know why you would want to remove it now. Any reasons? Or would you just prefer to use the trust system which isn't moderate unlike the scammer tags. Title: Re: Removing legacy scammer tags Post by: DeathAndTaxes on May 11, 2014, 01:40:09 AM I don't quite understand why these need to be removed. I think having those and the trust system would work fine together, the trust system can be used like normal but, the scammer tags are issued when it has been confirmed that the person scammed. What we are effectively doing it removing a layout of protection. Obviously, you justified giving them the tag in the first place so I don't know why you would want to remove it now. Any reasons or would you just prefer to use the trust system which isn't moderate unlike the scammer tags. The reason why is because it creates a perception problem (you seem to be affected). Nobody gets a scammer tag anymore, ever, under any circumstances. So not having a scammer tag doesn't mean someone isn't a scammer, it just means they scammed after the forum stopped giving those tags out. Essentially they are obsolete yet by remaining they are confusing. When someone sees scammer tags this may lead someone to believe (like yourself) that they are still being used and thus not having a scammer tag is a good sign when the reality is that someone not having a scammer tag alone means nothing. Quote Any reasons or would you just prefer to use the trust system which isn't moderate unlike the scammer tags. This. It isn't just prefer, they never moderate scammmer tags anymore. Title: Re: Removing legacy scammer tags Post by: Welsh on May 11, 2014, 01:45:38 AM The reason why is because it creates a perception problem (you seem to be affected). Nobody gets a scammer tag anymore, ever, under any circumstances. So not having a scammer tag doesn't mean someone isn't a scammer, it just means they scammed after the forum stopped giving those tags out. Essentially they are obsolete yet by remaining they are confusing. When someone sees scammer tags this may lead someone to believe (like yourself) that they are still being used and thus not having a scammer tag is a good sign when the reality is that someone not having a scammer tag alone means nothing. Quote Any reasons or would you just prefer to use the trust system which isn't moderate unlike the scammer tags. This. It isn't just prefer, they never moderate scammmer tags anymore. I did think of the perception problem after I posted that and was going to edit it. I see that would be a problem. I guess I didn't consider that because I'm familiar with both of the systems. But, anyone who doesn't know both of the systems could think that not having a scammer tag means that they aren't a scammer. Thanks for the explanation much appreciated. Should be a automated negative feedback put onto the account, otherwise a previous scammer could get away with it, I know that's why we have been given 7 days to put the negative trust. But, unless I know about the scammer and the suspicious activities it's been up to I don't put any feedback. Title: Re: Removing legacy scammer tags Post by: MsCollec on May 11, 2014, 01:53:59 AM Finally, i don't have to see that scary dank anymore ::) the guy is a pirate ? scammer?
Title: Re: Removing legacy scammer tags Post by: Kluge on May 11, 2014, 01:55:41 AM Is there any way to petition for the SCAMMER tag to stay, particularly on Nefario?
Title: Re: Removing legacy scammer tags Post by: smooth on May 11, 2014, 02:08:28 AM Automated replacement with negative trust from a known account?
Title: Re: Removing legacy scammer tags Post by: Vod on May 11, 2014, 02:14:17 AM Automated replacement with negative trust from a known account? It would be nice if some account on the default trust list could flag each of the accounts with negative trust of "Had a forum SCAMMER tag". This account would have to be automated, since it would be a lot of work. Title: Re: Removing legacy scammer tags Post by: goozman96 on May 11, 2014, 02:32:35 AM Automated replacement with negative trust from a known account? It would be nice if some account on the default trust list could flag each of the accounts with negative trust of "Had a forum SCAMMER tag". This account would have to be automated, since it would be a lot of work. Title: Re: Removing legacy scammer tags Post by: u9y42 on May 11, 2014, 02:37:19 AM Finally, i don't have to see that scary dank anymore ::) the guy is a pirate ? scammer? These accounts are not being deleted, just their scammer tags (the SCAMMER and XXXXX bellow the username). As for Dank, I'm not sure but I think he failed his part in a trade (50 some btc?). On the other hand, occasionally he comes up with stuff like this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=383960.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=383960.0). Title: Re: Removing legacy scammer tags Post by: Aahzman on May 13, 2014, 06:26:19 PM Well, while I'm glad to see my undeserved tag go, hopefully my attempt to make restitution to the supposed 18 victims (far more than actually posted, btw) will encourage Theymos or malevolent to adjust the trust rating.
Rob/Aahzman Title: Re: Removing legacy scammer tags Post by: theymos on May 13, 2014, 06:58:47 PM It would be nice if some account on the default trust list could flag each of the accounts with negative trust of "Had a forum SCAMMER tag". This account would have to be automated, since it would be a lot of work. Done. Title: Re: Removing legacy scammer tags Post by: smooth on May 13, 2014, 07:00:11 PM It would be nice if some account on the default trust list could flag each of the accounts with negative trust of "Had a forum SCAMMER tag". This account would have to be automated, since it would be a lot of work. Done. Thank you. Title: Re: Removing legacy scammer tags Post by: theymos on May 13, 2014, 07:03:44 PM I might remove OldScammerTag from DefaultTrust at some point, though. I don't have time to look into cases like Aahzman's in detail, so I don't want to keep saying that he's guilty forever.
Title: Re: Removing legacy scammer tags Post by: Aahzman on May 13, 2014, 07:08:59 PM I put a proposal up in Scam Acc's, token restitution. We'll see how many of those accounts respond.
Title: Re: Removing legacy scammer tags Post by: Crossbow376 on May 13, 2014, 08:31:09 PM I'm assuming there is no way for users to retain their scammer tag if they want to keep it? :( This! It seems to me that you are proud of your scams and scammer tag... :-\ Title: Re: Removing legacy scammer tags Post by: Vod on May 14, 2014, 03:16:30 AM THANK YOU Theymos, for this:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=330472 Title: Re: Removing legacy scammer tags Post by: FreebieZoner on May 14, 2014, 03:22:45 AM Yet tradefortress and BFL operators are still allowed to post freely on the forum. What has this forum come to... Scammers are allowed to keep posting because there is more of a chance that more information will come out of them or that they decide to return whatever they scammed if they have the chance to speak up or chat with others.But still, they should have a scammer tag too. Title: Re: Removing legacy scammer tags Post by: SaltySpitoon on May 14, 2014, 03:25:33 AM But still, they should have a scammer tag too. I think D&T summed it up pretty well I don't quite understand why these need to be removed. I think having those and the trust system would work fine together, the trust system can be used like normal but, the scammer tags are issued when it has been confirmed that the person scammed. What we are effectively doing it removing a layout of protection. Obviously, you justified giving them the tag in the first place so I don't know why you would want to remove it now. Any reasons or would you just prefer to use the trust system which isn't moderate unlike the scammer tags. The reason why is because it creates a perception problem (you seem to be affected). Nobody gets a scammer tag anymore, ever, under any circumstances. So not having a scammer tag doesn't mean someone isn't a scammer, it just means they scammed after the forum stopped giving those tags out. Essentially they are obsolete yet by remaining they are confusing. When someone sees scammer tags this may lead someone to believe (like yourself) that they are still being used and thus not having a scammer tag is a good sign when the reality is that someone not having a scammer tag alone means nothing. Quote Any reasons or would you just prefer to use the trust system which isn't moderate unlike the scammer tags. This. It isn't just prefer, they never moderate scammmer tags anymore. Title: Re: Removing legacy scammer tags Post by: crzr on May 15, 2014, 10:09:25 AM Would be great to get rid of this scammer tag.
Messaged the administration months ago and never received an answer why i have this tag... I did nothing... Title: Re: Removing legacy scammer tags Post by: mexxer on May 17, 2014, 05:39:06 PM I don't think I deserve the tag nor the negative trust :-\ . Anyway when will you be removing them admin?
Title: Re: Removing legacy scammer tags Post by: theymos on May 18, 2014, 02:54:33 PM Done.
Title: Re: Removing legacy scammer tags Post by: beetcoin on May 18, 2014, 05:47:01 PM Finally, i don't have to see that scary dank anymore ::) the guy is a pirate ? scammer? nope, he's already stated that he is god. and you can too! maybe this is a call for personal responsibility? if a guy with negative trust makes an offer to you, it's your job to looking him and make sure that he/she is not a scammer. Title: Re: Removing legacy scammer tags Post by: DiamondCardz on May 22, 2014, 06:06:04 PM Can you give a hidden scammer tag to people who reach a certain overall trust score below say -100 automatically, so that massive scammers such as TradeFortress or just people who the community think of as untrustworthy can not delete and edit their posts? This is especially important now that TF is back under the name Free Hugs (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=67058).
Title: Re: Removing legacy scammer tags Post by: Vod on May 22, 2014, 06:13:16 PM Can you give a hidden scammer tag to people who reach a certain overall trust score below say -100 automatically, so that massive scammers such as TradeFortress or just people who the community think of as untrustworthy can not delete and edit their posts? This is especially important now that TF is back under the name Free Hugs (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=67058). You think that is TF and not that he sold the account? I don't think it's TF. Title: Re: Removing legacy scammer tags Post by: theymos on May 22, 2014, 06:15:47 PM Can you give a hidden scammer tag to people who reach a certain overall trust score below say -100 automatically, so that massive scammers such as TradeFortress or just people who the community think of as untrustworthy can not delete and edit their posts? This is especially important now that TF is back under the name Free Hugs (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=67058). There's no global trust rating, so that isn't really possible. I can recover deleted and edited posts in any case, though. TradeFortress already has a hidden scammer tag. Title: Re: Removing legacy scammer tags Post by: DiamondCardz on May 22, 2014, 06:18:15 PM Can you give a hidden scammer tag to people who reach a certain overall trust score below say -100 automatically, so that massive scammers such as TradeFortress or just people who the community think of as untrustworthy can not delete and edit their posts? This is especially important now that TF is back under the name Free Hugs (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=67058). There's no global trust rating, so that isn't really possible. I can recover deleted and edited posts in any case, though. TradeFortress already has a hidden scammer tag. Ah...alright then. I was just assuming TradeFortress didn't have a hidden scammer tag because I didn't see his name in the list given in the OP. I can understand that, I'm more concerned about TF to be honest because he's back and either hacked/sold or trying to build another "business". Title: Re: Removing legacy scammer tags Post by: AaronBreillat on May 24, 2014, 03:56:08 PM You think that is TF and not that he sold the account? I don't think it's TF. Actually it is him. There is a way to tell but I'm keeping my mouth shut about it. Title: Re: Removing legacy scammer tags Post by: tysat on May 24, 2014, 11:20:08 PM You think that is TF and not that he sold the account? I don't think it's TF. Actually it is him. There is a way to tell but I'm keeping my mouth shut about it. I'm calling bullshit on this one unless the method is actually disclosed. Title: Re: Removing legacy scammer tags Post by: Taras on May 27, 2014, 10:05:28 PM That's a lot of scammers. It's not a very honest world.
Title: Re: Removing legacy scammer tags Post by: sofia26 on September 13, 2014, 02:30:59 PM @CHUNGENHUNG
He leave negative feed back for someone like me, @darkghost568, @damiano Why he can still do this? I think he should be banned. Title: Re: Removing legacy scammer tags Post by: hilariousandco on September 13, 2014, 03:05:01 PM Trust system isn't moderated but nobody will take his feedbacks he left you seriously, especially when he's marked as a scammer.
Title: Re: Removing legacy scammer tags Post by: brunoshady on May 28, 2015, 11:19:16 PM My account is not in bold but the tag is still there, can this be removed please?
Title: Re: Removing legacy scammer tags Post by: steampowered on May 28, 2015, 11:38:51 PM My account is not in bold but the tag is still there, can this be removed please? No. -Don't buy -Don't lock one thread to necro another one. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1073389.0 ur welcome. Title: Re: Removing legacy scammer tags Post by: tarsua on May 29, 2015, 12:27:15 AM My account is not in bold but the tag is still there, can this be removed please? No. -Don't buy -Don't lock one thread to necro another one. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1073389.0 ur welcome. Title: Re: Removing legacy scammer tags Post by: steampowered on May 29, 2015, 01:20:26 AM My account is not in bold but the tag is still there, can this be removed please? No. -Don't buy -Don't lock one thread to necro another one. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1073389.0 ur welcome. I'm telling OP (you) to stop buying shit accounts, and to stop necroing threads. If you're the sort of culture lover who delights in "implications," who distills sublime cadences of poesy from base crudeness of vulgar text, here's ur fucking subtext: -you're the spamming cancer that's destroying this forum. -you're too dumb and greedy to even do that right. -you're embarrassing yourself. -stop & GTFO If my meaning still escapes you, you just go ahead and ask, I'll give it another shot maybe. k? Title: Re: Removing legacy scammer tags Post by: tarsua on May 29, 2015, 01:27:18 AM My account is not in bold but the tag is still there, can this be removed please? No. -Don't buy -Don't lock one thread to necro another one. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1073389.0 ur welcome. I'm telling OP (you) to stop buying shit accounts, and to stop necroing threads. If you're the sort of culture lover who delights in "implications," who distills sublime cadences of poesy from base crudeness of vulgar text, here's ur fucking subtext: -you're the spamming cancer that's destroying this forum. -you're too dumb and greedy to even manage that right. -you're embarrassing yourself. -stop & GTFO If my meaning still escapes you, you just go ahead and ask, I'll give it another shot maybe. k? Title: Re: Removing legacy scammer tags Post by: steampowered on May 29, 2015, 01:34:13 AM My account is not in bold but the tag is still there, can this be removed please? No. -Don't buy -Don't lock one thread to necro another one. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1073389.0 ur welcome. I'm telling OP (you) to stop buying shit accounts, and to stop necroing threads. If you're the sort of culture lover who delights in "implications," who distills sublime cadences of poesy from base crudeness of vulgar text, here's ur fucking subtext: -you're the spamming cancer that's destroying this forum. -you're too dumb and greedy to even manage that right. -you're embarrassing yourself. -stop & GTFO If my meaning still escapes you, you just go ahead and ask, I'll give it another shot maybe. k? Prove to you that you're a spammer? That like trying to prove to an idiot that he's an idiot -- a fucking waste of my time & the idiot gains nothing from it. So thank me for my kind advice and GTFO, k? |