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Title: Giving loans out
Post by: gurg2.o on January 21, 2012, 07:04:01 PM
∆You must have credible reputation on the forum
∆Must be able to pay the loan back 5 days after loan (can ask for specific circumstances to extend)
∆Will pay back 20%+ loan
∆At this time will do loans up to 100 bit-coins

Thanks


Title: Re: Giving loans out
Post by: gurg2.o on January 21, 2012, 07:11:29 PM
20% for a 5 day loan?
Is that high? I looked in the lending section and saw a lot of people doing 20%+ loans


Title: Re: Giving loans out
Post by: coinft on January 21, 2012, 07:11:49 PM
20% for a 5 day loan?

Well it's high risk, and the market has moved more on occasion. While I can see the math behind it I still don't think this will fly...

-coinft.


Title: Re: Giving loans out
Post by: gurg2.o on January 21, 2012, 07:14:08 PM
Well it's high risk, and the market has moved more on occasion. While I can see the math behind it I still don't think this will fly...

-coinft.

What if I did based on the usd value of the bitcoins to avoid fluctuating prices?


Title: Re: Giving loans out
Post by: papa_snurf on January 21, 2012, 07:25:09 PM
20% for a 5 day loan?
Is that high? I looked in the lending section and saw a lot of people doing 20%+ loans

The annualized rate is 1.2^(365/5) = 602880 -> 60,277,900%.

Yes it is high.


Title: Re: Giving loans out
Post by: gurg2.o on January 21, 2012, 08:29:46 PM
Alright what would be a good interest rate for a 5 day loan? Thanks


Title: Re: Giving loans out
Post by: Kluge on January 21, 2012, 09:18:05 PM
Alright what would be a good interest rate for a 5 day loan? Thanks
Can I answer that in good forum etiquette? If so, I do 14D loans for 104% principal expected at time of payment for single-payment loans, 103% principal if payment's split between the seventh day and fourteenth. So 5 days? 102%, maybe. If this isn't good etiquette, I'll delete this post. :)


Title: Re: Giving loans out
Post by: Myrtlewood on January 22, 2012, 12:34:11 AM
If the point of the loan is for short term speculation in the markets, that's not an unreasonable rate.  High reward belongs to high risk, which short term currency spec is by definition.


Title: Re: Giving loans out
Post by: John (John K.) on January 22, 2012, 12:40:47 AM
∆You must have credible reputation on the forum
∆Must be able to pay the loan back 5 days after loan (can ask for specific circumstances to extend)
∆Will pay back 20%+ loan
∆At this time will do loans up to 100 bit-coins

Thanks


Its 20%+ interest for the whole loan period, usually for a month or other specified period. Not daily interest, that'll be loan-sharking already LOL. I suggest you post this loaning thread inside the lending subforum.


Title: Re: Giving loans out
Post by: Costia on January 22, 2012, 02:39:15 AM
you could lower the rate and add a constant fee. like 3%+5BTC /week


Title: Re: Giving loans out - rates
Post by: PatrickHarnett on January 22, 2012, 02:52:38 AM
Best paying deposit rate is Priateat40, but let's say that is top of the range (30% month payout)

INAU (Ineedausername) is doing some loans higher than this, but smaller/shorter = 45%/month.  If you need it, it's there as a service.

I have loaned to INAU at 15%/month and have other loans of varying rates 10% to 15%.  A few short-term ones are higher.

Kludge is doing 10%/month.

notme is starting a savings/deposit system paying 1%/week, say 4%/month.

Within that range, the "market" is probably somewhere in the 10-15%/month range, but it depends on reputation, purpose etc.


Title: Re: Giving loans out
Post by: mmbregman on January 22, 2012, 01:20:02 PM
Is there anyone willing to give me a loan of 3 BTC with a small fee? Even though I'm a noobiew?


Title: Re: Giving loans out
Post by: gurg2.o on January 22, 2012, 04:25:27 PM
Sorry no


Title: Re: Giving loans out
Post by: JohnnyCash on January 22, 2012, 05:30:24 PM
Maybe you should instead of giving loans act as an investor in ventures.

Person X says "I need 100 bitcoins for this business transaction, I expect Y profit and will give you Z percent of the profits." Then you can either accept Z or haggle a higher price.


Title: Re: Giving loans out
Post by: is4tomj on January 22, 2012, 05:49:46 PM
gurg2.o,

If you go forward this idea, you will need to figure out how to establish a secured transaction.  A properly perfected secured transaction requires 1) attachment of the collateral; 2) perfection, so that other creditors, or buyers, are put on notice that the collateral has an effective lien; and 3) establish priority over other creditors.

Secured transactions make it possible for banks to give cheaper loans at lower rates. However, even with the best auditing processes some bowers will still default, and a secured transactions make it much cheaper for a creditor to get the money lent back.

In this case it seems very unlikely that you would be able effectively create an enforceable secured transaction by merely lending to those with a prominent presence on a forum.  This strategy is ridiculously risky and you will most likely loose all your bitcoins very quickly.


Title: Re: Giving loans out
Post by: packman on January 25, 2012, 07:18:33 PM
I just got called by somebody telling me to stay off the bitcoin forums and that I was banned, so I am removing my number from this website.


Title: Re: Giving loans out
Post by: andresbtc on January 25, 2012, 07:46:43 PM
What percentage of the loans are defaulted?


Title: Re: Giving loans out
Post by: PatrickHarnett on January 25, 2012, 07:53:55 PM
What percentage of the loans are defaulted?

We're still building that information.  At the moment I'm running 10%.


Title: Re: Giving loans out
Post by: danishpride on January 26, 2012, 09:23:18 AM
It's very easy to setup proper Bitcoin loans, just use same way those pay day loans work, take ID, have the persons contact details and do it all properly.

I will do loans of upto 200 BTC per person.

13% of amount loaned for no more than 14 days, so you borrow 100 BTC say 1st Jan and Pay Back 113 BTC on the 14th Jan.

Very easy. ID required and as I say works same process like payday loans, you don't see them giving out loans without ID etc.

Inbox If you want a loan.


Title: Re: Giving loans out
Post by: Kluge on January 26, 2012, 09:33:29 AM
It's very easy to setup proper Bitcoin loans, just use same way those pay day loans work, take ID, have the persons contact details and do it all properly.

I will do loans of upto 200 BTC per person.

13% of amount loaned for no more than 14 days, so you borrow 100 BTC say 1st Jan and Pay Back 113 BTC on the 14th Jan.

Very easy. ID required and as I say works same process like payday loans, you don't see them giving out loans without ID etc.

Inbox If you want a loan.
Uhhh.... So you'll give me 200BTC if I just scan a copy of ID you have no way of verifying?


Title: Re: Giving loans out
Post by: danishpride on January 26, 2012, 10:30:08 AM
LOL - NO

Inbox If you want a loan.


Title: Re: Giving loans out
Post by: papa_snurf on January 28, 2012, 09:56:08 AM
Is there anyone willing to give me a loan of 3 BTC with a small fee? Even though I'm a noobiew?

Why would anyone lend money to people they don't know on the internet is beyond me. And frankly, I can get better rates from Tony Soprano.


Title: Re: Giving loans out
Post by: papa_snurf on January 28, 2012, 10:01:55 AM
It's very easy to setup proper Bitcoin loans, just use same way those pay day loans work, take ID, have the persons contact details and do it all properly.

Pay a notary to make it official, and pay a lawyer to enforce your claim in a court of law (assuming a 60-year old judge will not dismiss the claim on the spot). 

And all of this for 200btc...


Title: Re: Giving loans out
Post by: reg on January 28, 2012, 11:14:37 AM
IBB do interest free loans for newbies.  2 BTC for 8 days- I have used them three times and been ok. not a newbie anymore but could now borrow more over longer period based on my reputation- recommended. reg.


Title: Re: Giving loans out
Post by: Kettenmonster on January 28, 2012, 11:58:41 AM
What percentage of the loans are defaulted?
None, as those things are always negotiated. If not you can safely call it fraud.


Title: Re: Giving loans out
Post by: mmbregman on January 28, 2012, 03:46:44 PM
Is there anyone willing to give me a loan of 3 BTC with a small fee? Even though I'm a noobiew?

Why would anyone lend money to people they don't know on the internet is beyond me. And frankly, I can get better rates from Tony Soprano.
Actually, PatrickHarnett gave me a loan of 3 BTC with 5% for something like 2 weeks.
Some people are willing to trust eventhough they don't know me.
The reason he trusted me is also beyond me, but I'm very thankful for that and I'm going to return him the coins (not that I wasn't going to do that).


Title: Re: Giving loans out
Post by: PatrickHarnett on January 28, 2012, 08:31:13 PM
Is there anyone willing to give me a loan of 3 BTC with a small fee? Even though I'm a noobiew?

Why would anyone lend money to people they don't know on the internet is beyond me. And frankly, I can get better rates from Tony Soprano.
Actually, PatrickHarnett gave me a loan of 3 BTC with 5% for something like 2 weeks.
Some people are willing to trust eventhough they don't know me.
The reason he trusted me is also beyond me, but I'm very thankful for that and I'm going to return him the coins (not that I wasn't going to do that).

Tony Soprano might collect your fingers, or you could fall off a building"accidentally".
I'm not an idiot (my avatar might be, and I'm not that fond of smurfs - too many bones).
3 coins is small for me, and might be large for mmbrefman, but the benefit to him in paying back and getting rep is valuable.  They could just sit on the loan for a week and repay (not needing it at all) and that would work.

Patrick


Title: Re: Giving loans out
Post by: BurtW on February 04, 2012, 03:41:13 PM
I am wondering if anyone ever did borrow BTC from gurg2.o?

He borrowed a lot of BTC from several people and is now late paying them back.  So, if he lent you any BTC his creditors would like to know about it.

Please contact me if you borrowed any BTC from gurg2.0.

Thanks!


Title: Re: Giving loans out
Post by: PatrickHarnett on February 09, 2012, 05:36:26 PM
Is there anyone willing to give me a loan of 3 BTC with a small fee? Even though I'm a noobiew?

Why would anyone lend money to people they don't know on the internet is beyond me. And frankly, I can get better rates from Tony Soprano.
Actually, PatrickHarnett gave me a loan of 3 BTC with 5% for something like 2 weeks.
Some people are willing to trust eventhough they don't know me.
The reason he trusted me is also beyond me, but I'm very thankful for that and I'm going to return him the coins (not that I wasn't going to do that).

Loan repaid - many thanks.

Patrick