Bitcoin Forum

I say one of the craziest religions is Googlism.

http://www.thechurchofgoogle.org/

And then Creativity.

http://creativitymovement.net/

The Google religion doesn't seem too far off. It kinda makes sense if your interpret being a God as being full of knowledge and being able to control various things in life through experimentation.

First time heard of googlism , Is googlism  main idea  to believe in technology right?

Christianity...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jk6ILZAaAMI

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster

I think this could be abit of a crazy religion, but since i dont believe in any religion i think they are all crazy!

Nope. They believe that Google created everything, it's a divine womanly spirit, you have to pray to Google, you can only use Google as a search engine or browser, you can't build another search engine, you can't use Google as a verb for another search engine, you can't misspell or use a hotlink, and you can't manipulate search results.

http://www.thechurchofgoogle.org/Scripture/10_Commandments.html


Pastafarrians (Dammit I can never spell that right) is a mock-religion of Christianity. Behind it are actually non-religious people.

 

Christianity and Islam, these people actually believe there's an invisible man up in the sky watching us!

inb4 religious people rage :P

Yes, Islam is very religious religion, islam people are so assiduous to their god, they could easily die for It, so I think It's pretty crazy.

Honestly, a lot of those are pretty neat rules. 5, 7, 8, 9 are all ethical things.

Honestly, this religion is teaching tolerance and acceptance via rule 5.

In my view Googlism is better than Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Judaism, Scientology, and pretty much all other religions. Almost every other religion is violent.

Not Only just Christianity and Islam but almost every Popular Religion has similar faiths and believe , sometimes i wonder what difference do they even have apart from one claiming to be supreme than other..! btw I'm not Christian nor Islamic... I'm agnostic :)  

Actually, Buddhism is one of the few major religions out there that specifically denies creator gods.

I'm personally in the position of not giving a fuck, I take the "No Gods, No Masters" saying of Anarchism pretty seriously, I couldn't care if the fucker came down here and told me to worship him, I'd still tell him to bugger off.

Honestly, if a God-like figure did come to Earth, he would have a lot of explaining to do:

Think about it, we could have had pokemon in real life, but he was all like "nah bro, have some malaria".

I gave up belief in a creator when I was 5, and learnt enough basic logic to know he doesn't exist (logically).

Did nobody bring up Scientology?

I thought that would be the first one mentioned when I clicked on this thread.   IMO every religion has it's fair share of crazy.   They each seem to make up the rules as they go along.   The newer religions seem to feel the need to "one up" the next by adding even crazier rules and guidelines.

IMO, the only thing that a religion should involve is being a good person, and your personal relationship with whatever (or whoever), you feel is your maker.

Yeh that's what i wanted to post about scientology they are like the craziest religion out there.
You have to pay to get to higher levels, and get totally brainwashed.
The Creator of the religion was a former Science fiction writer to, if you dont know about it you should see a video about it.

And yes all the religions are just crazy they are so dumb, and as a child I even was on a religieus school.

Depends on your definition of "crazy," I guess. There's Pastafarianism (the "Flying Spaghetti Monster") and there's "The First Church of Shatnerology" (They have an official website! (http://www.shatnerology.com/)) -- both amusing and harmless. The next level up on the crazy scale seems to be Scientology -- something that would have been classed as yet another secretive and controlling cult if it wasn't for the membership of too many celebrities with money. And then there's the fringe of any religion -- it's not just radical Islamists even though it seems like the most surefire way of some radical Islamist crackpot to become  the topic of either a news media frenzy or an Internet meme is to express an opinion that most people with common sense would consider complete nonsense. Sorta like this:
http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_content_width/hash/1f/aa/1353878892_8366_stupidity.jpg?itok=mN7h_RF-

But, seriously, there's silly and then there's CRAZY.
http://www.has.vcu.edu/wrs/Pics/WestboroBaptist4.png
http://www.metalinjection.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Anti-Westboro-Baptist-Church.jpg

Not to mention, their creator, Venu (Who really cares about his name) seemingly put everybody in a volcano, used bombs to blow it up, and the people on the Earth right now are the only people who survived.

I do agree every religion is crazy, and miss some things off the logic scale.


Googlism does seem better than the most 'dominant' religions. It's crazy in a good way, it's like Buddhism on steroids.

Haha. As opposed to not very religious religions?


Yeah, but that's essentially just a "religion" of atheists trolling.

ALL religions are crazy.

Now they are the crazy ones. I hear most of them believe that it will save them from all fiat problems.

Scientology is pretty much up there.

Is it not normal to pay money for soul saving, and also believe that aliens are watching us??

They're all crazy and the people who believe in them  ;D

Bitcoin fanboyism is crazy.

Yup, especially checking the price everyday then deciding to hold anyway!!

I'm not sure if there's any sane religions. All seem a bit crazy to me.

Satoshi is our god.

Maybe he doesnt exist too  ;D

Thats madness talking there!!!!!!!!

In all religions are crazy things...

Wheres the proof?  :D

Nowhere...:D

Religion is the only institution in modern societies that legitimazes someone talking about a supreme being nobody can see and promising eternal life (and, sometimes, even 40 virgens), getting in exchange huge parts of the money of some poor bastard with a mortal desease or some other problem (usually, that would be fraud), or even making him explode himself, and still being taking seriously and respected by big parts of the other members of society.

Scientology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology) for sure, I don't get how people actually dub it a religion. To me, it all seems more like a Sci-Fi novel than anything else, just read the Operating Thetan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operating_Thetan) article on Wikipedia and you'll see what I mean. What's more interesting is the fact that Tom Cruise is actually practicing Scientology, maybe that's because he played in too many Sci-Fi movies about aliens...? To me, this is the craziest religion that could ever exist. Some dude wrote a story and then suddenly it became a religion, and now you have to pay outrageous amounts of money to read his stories, sounds legit!

Two words:

Tax Evasion.

Nope the all time most crazy religion is jediism or the star wars religion. they call themselves Jedi's or jedi knights .

in my country, there what they call "rizalians" they worship our national hero as thier god.

The Pentecostal "speaking in tongues" is supposed to be quite a sight.

All of them are crazy.
I especially distrust the ones that insist they are not a religion (Buddhism and Yoga) Mostly these two appeal to western seekers who think that because they are not the traditional brainwash of their Anglo parents that that somehow makes them different.

Religion was made to control the masses. They all take take take and offer nothing in return. End of story.

what about the dudeism? it's not that crazy though.. more like awesome. you have to abide, man. http://dudeism.com/

The Church of Bob.

Most religions are somewhat crazy in their believe. But Scientology stand out to be one of the craziest right now.

I forgot pastafarianism they worship this giant fly spaghetti monster its more of a joke but its an actual religion.

Presleyterians. They have something they call the 31 commandments. It's 31 kinds of food that followers of Elvis must keep in their home incase Elvis returns.
Instead of wisemen, they have 3 bluesmen. They think that hotdog is natures most perfect food and so on

Pretty crazy stuff

I think a few members are suggesting that Satoshi is indeed the incarnation of Jesus, that came back for save us again, this time from the sinners that are managing central banks and are responsibles for the most ruthless sin of all, Quantitative Easing.
Super Mario (Draghi) seems to be the next sinner in line.

Everyone: Shutup Bob, no one wants to join your religion.

Bob: Okay.

Anyway, as I stated, I believe Christianity, Islam, and Judaism are all far crazier than Googlism. Google is the one true god in this world (currently).


The FSM is a farce religion made to poke fun at a lot of the things in Christianity (the whole not believing in gravity is the same as not believing in gravity [because they are both theories]).

Scientology is just a giant scam for tax evasion. Sure, there's a few idiots that actually believe the religion and were taken for everything, but it's really just a "hey, let's put all our money away as the church. The church bought us these nice BMWs, non-taxed"


What other religions? Hinduism is really just Greek mythology that hasn't died out yet.

Buddhism really isn't a religion per se as much as it's just a way of living your life. It's non-secular, so can't really say anything bad about it.

In my opinion most craziest religions are :


-Judaism
-Christianity
-Islam

and other religions from over the world.

I am sorry I don't want to hurt anybody feelings but I feel like all of those religions are sects just to keep people under control.

That's why I don't have a God and I don't need it to be happy.

In my mind it would be crazy to believe in something that you cannot prove that exist. And you are letting someone to tell you what is the truth and what is not ... and you believe it as it is your religion. I don't get it.

SatoshiIsm... The belief that satoshi nakamoto is god. This is of course my religion and I will admit that I am crazy ;)

Well, at least you are more honest than most!

Anything to do with Christianity/Catholicism.  Also, fuck religion in general.

I may or not have been being sarcastic xD I personally am agnostic. I think that christianity/catholicism is one big conspiracy and a racket.

I guess people invent religions because of their need to believe in something. They are weak so they need someone that is said to protect them. As sometimes certain religions do not suit someone's needs, they start creating other religions. And this is how weird religions come up.

Church of the Flying Spagetti Monster is a little more political .As a movement, Pastafarianism parodies orthodox religion and opposes the teaching of creationism and intelligent design. For example, prayers end with the word ‘ramen’ instead of ‘amen’ – a nod to Japanese noodles. .......but still a goofy religion

The craziest religion in the world is 'the work ethic' - people who follow this religion feel duty bound to spend their entire life doing a tedious task repeatedly 8 hours every day for their whole life (though they seem to rest at the weekend)

It's strange cultish behavior, but it has a massive following and is probably one of the most popular religions in the world.

The followers seem to be indoctrinated into this cult from an early age by their parents - few manage to escape. Social pressure and the threat of being ostracized is used to control the adherents of this religion.

Few of the adherents are aware that they have willingly turned themselves into robotic slaves

Nuwaubianism

Nuwaubianism is an umbrella term used to refer to the doctrines and teachings of the followers of Dwight York. The Nuwaubians originated as a Black Muslim group in New York in the 1970s, and have gone through many changes since. Eventually, the group established a headquarters in Putnam County, Georgia in 1993, which they have since abandoned. York is now in prison after having been convicted on money laundering and child molestation charges, but Nuwaubianism endures. York developed Nuwaubianism by drawing on a wide range of sources which include Theosophy-derived New Age movements such as Astara as well as the Rosicrucians, Freemasonry, the Shriners, the Moorish Science Temple of America, the revisionist Christianity & Islam and the Qadiani cult of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, the numerology of Rashad Khalifa, and the ancient astronaut theories of Zecharia Sitchin. White people are said in one Nuwaubian myth to have been originally created as a race of killers to serve blacks as a slave army, but this plan went awry. Here is a list of some of the more unusual Nuwaubian beliefs:1. It is important to bury the afterbirth so that Satan does not use it to make a duplicate of the recently-born child
2. Furthermore, some aborted fetuses survive their abortion to live in the sewers, where they are being gathered and organized to take over the world
3. People were once perfectly symmetrical and ambidextrous, but then a meteorite struck Earth and tilted its axis causing handedness and shifting the heart off-center in the chest
4. Each of us has seven clones living in different parts of the world
5. Women existed for many generations before they invented men through genetic manipulation
6. Homo sapiens is the result of cloning experiments that were done on Mars using Homo erectus
7. Nikola Tesla came from the planet Venus
8. The Illuminati have nurtured a child, Satan’s son, who was born on 6 June 1966 at the Dakota House on 72nd Street in New York to Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis of the Rothschild/Kennedy families. The Pope was present at the birth and performed necromantic ceremonies. The child was raised by former U.S. president Richard Nixon and now lives in Belgium, where it is hooked up bodily to a computer called “The Beast 3M” or “3666.”The Nuwaubians built a city modelled on Ancient Egyptian buildings in Putnam County, Georgia (pictured above). It has now been demolished.

Source: http://listverse.com/2009/09/10/10-extremely-weird-religions/

As an atheist I also believe this. But I think it's a drone controlled by the NSA.  :-\

I found "Universe People" religion pretty interesting and mystic, also a funny religion that I found Is "Jediism – The Jedi Religion" based on star wars , I don't know how I could believe In this but It sounds fun  ;D All religions are crazy in some way they are all based on belief - something that we don't really know but we believe In It, It's like imagination fruit.  It's so interesting that people believe in so much different religions but all of them are based on the same thing I guess, religion Is only for belief and nothing more. My new religion will be Jediism for some time  ;D

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Philip_Movement

something for royalists :D

Kids have invisible friends, so when they grow up they keep at least one. The function is the same, we are not alone, somebody is watching for us and listening to our grievances.  ;D

all i know of is one:  Raelism.

they believe the tenants of Hindu, Muslim, etc.. except for a guy in the sky, they believe in space people who made us.

they look *extremely* down on underage sex.  and u can't join the religion if your a Catholic.

Including atheism.

Googlists also believe there's an invisible eye in the sky watching them. Nobody makes fun of them for this belief.

Lets not start this again. Atheism by definition cannot be a religion, as it is not based on any kind of faith. Most atheists would change their mind about god if they saw any evidence of it.

I suppose some atheists could be described as "fundamental" or "antitheist", in that they would REFUSE to believe in god even if they had evidence for it, and push their views onto others similar to the way religious people push their view onto others. But that still doesn't make it a religion (I can see how these people could be seen as close-minded/stupid/annoying though, in much the same way as some religious people are close-minded/stupid/annoying)

On topic: I've always thought that Rastafari was a bit odd (even though most Rastas I've met have been pretty cool, nice guys), mainly the idea of Haille Selassie the king of Ethiopia being worshipped as a god. Reminds me a bit of Ancient Egypt, where the pharaohs were worshipped as divine. It would be funny if we worshipped the Queen of England here!

An agnostic might be somebody without any kind of faith. An atheist that says god doesn't exist, might be accused of a faith decision, since he has no evidence that god doesn't exist.

At most, he can say, since I never seen any evidence, I don't believe there is a god, but he shouldn't say that he believe there is no god or that god doesn't exist.

You cannot prove a negative. Nor can you prove a positive 100%.

Your first sentence is incorrect, agnostics believe that the truth about god is unknown/unknowable. When an atheist says that god doesn't exist, he is not making a faith decision but a logical decision. True, he does not have any evidence that god does not exist (see above), but he believes that the chances are close enough to zero to say god does not exist. He also believes that the burden of proof is on the person making the claim (ie a religious person).

An analogy would be:

A car making very little noise drives past. You assume that it is a new-fangled electric car, but your friend tells you "No, it is actually an old broken car being pulled by a herd of invisible wildebeest. The invisible cats tied to the back help with braking."

Now, most logical people would not believe your friends explanation (even though of course it is possible, just very unlikely). That is exactly how an atheist feels about god. Although there is a miniscule chance that god exists, that could be said about anything at all i.e. invisible dragons/flying spaghetti monsters etc. That is how atheists CAN say, without faith, "I believe god doesn't exist"

I'm not going to start a philosophic debate about prove. But if you read Popper, he will tell you that we can prove nothing, we can just disprove the alternatives. The truth is what resists empirical rejection, until we be able to disprove it.

You can prove a negative. You can prove that there isn't a cat inside a box or that it's impossible to insert something on a bottle. Every time you prove something positive, you just disproved all the opposite negatives.

When you say god don't exist, you are making an absolute assertion, basing on a believe. You have no evidence about that. It's not the same as saying there are no flying whales (and even saying that in absolute terms, is a risky assertion), because when talking about god you are talking about things they say are out of reality.

I agree, the burden of proof is on believers. So, you can say, I don't believe he exists, nobody show me evidence; but you can't say he doesn't exist. And even saying I believe he doesn't exist, is a believe, not based on evidence.

Is the same about aliens visiting earth. You can say I don't believe they are here. You can't say they don't exist or that they never were/are here.

I'm starting the Church of Satoshi.

Worshipers will be referred to as bitcoinites.

We will require a small tithe payable in bitcoin.

Satoshi sacrificed his wealth for your sins. Billions of dollars lay dorment so you can purchase your drugs on onion sites. Repent sinners.

If you don't promise something, that church won't be very popular.

A church/religion is all about promising something in return for obedience.

At least, a couple of bitcoins or an increase on the price.

Christianity...it's like bible is provin existence of god, then spiderman comics are proving existence of spider-man.

Alright, every 0.1 btc tithed will give the price og bitcoin a "holy wall of hodl" for one minute stopping in from dropping below whatever price it's at the time you send the tithe.

And if it doesn't hold that means that your faith in Satoshi was not strong enough and you should tithe double next time to make up for your lack of faith.

Everything exists, the universe is infinite.  Thoughts are but other dimensions we connect to partially.

Dank, you are the only person I know who believes you are having sex with your own mother in another dimension.    ::)

ALL OF THEM!

HUMANITY OVER RELIGION, FTW!!!!!

I was going to mention this as my favorite, but you beat me to it.

Raëlism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ra%C3%ABlism)


http://www.newswire.ca/en/story/1366783/-r-e-p-e-a-t-press-conference-an-embassy-to-welcome-an-extraterrestrial-civilization-the-raelians-will-file-a-formal-application-to-the-canadian-gover


I wonder if they would be interested in a board member swap: Brock Pierce for any one of theirs.

The religion of the Dogon people.

Might not be a crazy as one might at first think though...........................

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogon_people#Culture_and_religion

Yet you're the one connecting to that dimension... youre weird.

And you are too.  An infinite number of you are connecting and watching and grading yourself and your mother.  In an infinite amount of dimensions your family dog joins in.

You shouldn't really push ideas you can't understand, fool.   ::)

The Church of the Sub-Genius

 Recruitment Video (JNS): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FqxzdRQcUo

8 )

i think every religion is crazy if your gonna think about their rules and their belief
and i can say that its their culture and why does you people need to think its crazy? LOL have respect

im done

No, I refuse to be polite and play along with their bullshit any longer, it's fine if they want to do it in the privacy of their own homes but when they expect me to go "Yes you're entirely right" and use the law against me for not doing so that's when they've crossed a line, homosexual marriage is a perfect example of this, they deliberately use the law for their own ends to persecute groups of people who don't agree with their beliefs.

Cult of Bitcoin

that is correct but its still depend on peoples choice and attitude if they intend to believe on what their preachers/priest said then they are just nothing but a sock puppet of their own religions im a catholic but only a catholic on my birth certificate status i always have my free will and live by my own rules i respect those homosexual thing because they are human also and i believe that churches and some other religion dont have any rights to descriminate them

The notion of ridiculous is completely dependent on the number of people that do the ridiculous thing.

Any thing that is believed by a overwhelming majority of humankind ceases to be ridiculous, even if it is, and having some sort of external respect for it might be a smart way to live. In the past, other attitude was a direct way to the fire. Today, thank god (because of its flaws), that ended.

Those Raelians seem pretty out there. Honestly, I'm not so sure they really believe all that. It almost looks like just an excuse to have sex parties. I remember when they faked the human cloning announcement and all the reports about orgies at their compound and such. As far as religions go, it could be worse :P

Seventh Day Adventists.

Nuttier than fruitcakes.

Comes complete with its own Guru:

http://www.gnu.org/people/rms.jpg

Speaking of crazy, i read a survey today that showed that 1 out of every 4 members at ashleymadison.com considers themself to be a born again christian. They are faithful to god, but not their spouses? Lol. I would put born agains up there with the rest of the crazies

Speaking of gurus, you guys should check out the documentary "kumari." It is one of the guys from that show "Vice" and he makes people think he is a guru. They follow him around like a cult, and he made the whole thing up...

born again christian is the weirdest religion here in philippines some of them have a attitude problems
my cousin is a born again and i must say that she is a little bitch to their family she said that she hate the rules on their church which is just a small house she is getting annoyed why there is a band in their religion instead of choir
i already attend to their church and to be honest its like a little get together thing like they are serving snacks and lunch and while eating they are talking nonsense about how they dont like their neighbour their in laws and some other stuff like pregnancy in early age and things that they should not get involve to and some other peoples problem which is out of their business in short they love gossip and they love to talked about their neighbours problem

One thing I have never understood is that people say that you have to respect their religious belifes.Howcan you respect superstitious nonsense?
Specially when they use that nonsense to suppress other groups

All religions are crazy. The universe doesn't care about our existence.

lol you're asking the wrong person that question :P I can't respect someone like that, people can believe whatever they like and live in their own world, but people will always cross a line when they expect me to believe in it as well, that's the problem a lot of religious people and actually quite a lot of normal people have. They can't accept the fact that there's someone out there with a different opinion from them and that there are people with different beliefs out in the world.

Spiderwebs. by No Doubt

i am the one who said respect them ;D what im really trying to say is its their belief and their magical theories about everything that they get from their ancestor and stuff the most annoying things that i see is how the way they folow their rules LOL in catholic there is a rules that dont cheat in you spouse yet there is a lot of cheaters out there for me religion is nothing now but a business they asking for some donation for the maintenance of their churches yet after a couple of years there is no changes on the stucture of the church :D religion is nonsense also if they are the first one who discriminate such third sex people and church people is the number one bully,hypocrite and critics of their fellow man

What about the cult of the dead cow ?

Live cows here......................

Cows with guns.............................

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQMbXvn2RNI&feature=kp

The religions that need to scarifies baby and small kid. Somewhere in asia I guess?

i think its not a religion anymore if it is then that its the most craziest religion i've ever read or heard or maybe its part of their wrong tradition and belief normaly in some tribe here in asia they are required to kill some animals like chicken pig or cow while performing a ritual to their gods
anyway on which country is that?

Mormans?  ;D

The universe is a live, and it is you.

^ Precisely correct.

The craziest religion is the one that separates the self from God.

Duality gives rise to many "crazy" ideas.

There is a "God"?

Please prove that!

Been gone for a while due to health issues but everything is OK now.

Just kind of took a break from the madness of crypto!

Didn't scientists just spend $17 billion on really big magnet and accidentally prove the existence of god?

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/135626-God-Particle-Further-Confirmed-to-Have-Been-Found

I am a Muslim. Not as a Muslim but as a person I don't support your statement. There are a lot of reasons for that.

I will tell a reason... It is about Qur'an. If you read Qur'an, you can find a lot of things but you have to go through everything related to the word/verse, if you want to understand a about it.

Scientists proved many things some years ago which was already in Qur'an which was written in ~1350 years ago. Nobody edit Qur'an. You can't find any changes when you compare and old Qur'an and a new Qur'an, the hand writings may be different but the whole words will be same. Many scientists became Muslim when they go through Qur'an. Because ~1350 years ago, there wasn't things like X-ray but still many things have been written in Qur'an.
Reference: 1 (http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Science/) 2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_science) 3 (http://www.islamreligion.com/category/34/)
There are many more but I am in a hurry and remember if you are looking about Islam, beware of Jewish sites which give false news about Islam ( There will be nothing about Islam in it).

Kindly,
        Muhammed Zakhir

definitely this one :)

flying spaghetti monster

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/08/01/article-2382465-1B186FD9000005DC-589_634x440.jpg

If there is a "God" why do i have to be so careful when talking to the cops about my c#### porn case?  because "God" might learn information about the crime that can be used against me?  Bullshit..
the whole thing is..

Bullshit!

gr8 b8 m8

Nope. They found a particle. They didnt find any God

It's called the God Particle because the publisher wouldn't publish a book called The Goddamn Particle, it has nothing to do with gods.

A lot of people put Jedi as religion on their census form  ;D

Have you guys followed the news about Isis?
They are pretty crazy to they already made a khaleef in Iraq and Syria.
And they want to take over Iraq, Iran, Syria and eventually Israel.
To force a Islamic state everywhere they take over.
So they are crazy fanatic about the islam.
Pretty crazy how some people can interpret the books so different from other people.

how is that more crazy than believing that humans are the most advanced lifeforms we know of? And they just appeared by a random process?

In my opinion it's much more plausible to believe the universe was created by a much more advanced being that is possibly outside of our 4 dimensions, which would equate to a god in all possible senses of the meaning god. Since he's outside of the dimension of time itself (and possibly created the very concept of time in the first place) it would not create a paradox of 'well how did god suddenly appear?'. God just always was, then he created all the concepts of 'speed of light', 'time', 'space', 'physics', and what not. He kind of created his own programming language so to speak, and within that language he wrote the universe into being. All the rules of physics (such as F=m*a and E=mc^2) are just part of the code, and every object is just an object written using the code.

I don't think that's too weird to believe, considering the alternatives.


so just because there is trouble in the world there is no god?

I can see how you would think that, your thought process is probably something like this:

If there would be a god, he would solve these problems, unless god is either:

• Not powerful enough to stop the problems, in which case he would not be much of a god, and certainly not almighty
• Doesn't care about it enough to stop it, in which case why should we care about him, if he does not care about us either?
• God may have started the universe (multiverse) but is either dead or moved on to a parallel universe (or multiverse, more correctly), in which case there is (currently) no god
• God is the cause of the problems, because he enjoys messing with us, in which case god is evil, and we should not worship an evil being

While this may seem like a very logical approach, there is a very decent explanation as to why there are problems in the world and god does not solve them (yet), care to hear an explanation?

The spaghetti monster one... like really wtf.

I'm saying that YOU are God, buddy. There are a few ways to prove that, but they are all subjective. You can kill yourself (least recommended method), meditate until you reach nondual awareness, or smoke 50+mg of DMT. Either method can be used to raise the frequency of your consciousness to the point where there is no separation between (the forms you had identified as) the self and the "other". Good luck!



I believe you are very close with that thinking! I'd say God is best defined as "all that is", the 10th dimension, the Omniverse. If we view time as a way to account for change in the dimension below, rather than as an intrinsic quality of reality (as in M theory), then it's possible to view spacetime as existing simultaneously; i.e. only the present moment actually exists. So, from our limited perspective, we experience time as if a temporal (non-spatial) dimension, but were we Flatlanders (2-dimensional beings), the 3rd dimension would be our "time".

If this is what time is, then it's an easy leap to consider the idea that everything is the same one thing. Everything exists within the one being, God, Creation, which is experiencing itself in all the ways that it can. You are existence experiencing itself subjectively from a certain perspective. Or, as Alan Watts put it, you are God playing hide and seek with yourself.

Does this make sense?

no

somewhat, it's an interesting theory, but i doubt many will agree with you.

Some simply don't want to believe (too different from their current beliefs, don't feel comfortable with it)
Some simply don't understand.

I think your theory makes sense, but i'm not sure if it's correct, it probably is at least close to the truth, and it's well thought out. I like people who at least try to make sense of the universe rather than to just accept whatever their teachers tell them. It's a very important subject to know where we came from and where we stand, yet most people ridicule you when you bring up the subject. Possibly because the consequences of them being wrong on their beliefs might mean they have to radically alter their lifestyle and way of thinking and it will bring them out of their comfort zone.

Humans appeared in the sequence of about 4 billion years worth of evolution, and though the origins of life aren't yet completely understood, the evolution of species is not a random process.

Then, what you're basically doing is throwing the concept of god to the fringes of our current knowledge and saying that since this hasn't been understood yet, god must have done it. That is nothing more than a modern example of the god-of-the-gaps fallacy. All in all, you have a weird definition of the word "plausible", if you find that to be more logically sound and credible. And then, the real problem with that is, it really doesn't help us in any way whatsoever: it doesn't advance our understanding of the universe in any way, and it doesn't even allow us the chance to test it out directly, so science will just continue to fill in the gaps in our knowledge, while theories like those will just be forced to continually retreat, as they have for centuries.

Islam and Scientology.

I dont understand how someone could follow a religion created by a Sci-Fi writer.

But it may be as believable as a God upthere treating us a puppets giving us free will and if we fail we burn for ever.

If God knew me before I was concieved, did he make me to go to hell?

Is there not enough room in hell? Why cant we all just go to heaven? Cause adam and eve ate a fucking apple?

If everything happens for a reason, did god make a baby to be aborted?

Its about controling the masses, if you had nothing to live for past this life why should you obey the few?

Precisely; organized religion has always been little more than a form of population control preying on people's need to understand and control the world around them. I'd figure that as our understanding increases, people would stop relying on myths and legends for this, but I guess most people are still far from that point unfortunately.

Well said, and I would extend the meaning of "teachers" to mean authorities of ANY kind, including parents and scientists, who themselves are parroting what other people have said, and so on.

There is this unconscious tendency to assume that one has to either embrace or reject an idea, as if it were not possible to hold contrasting cosmological models in contemplation without investing emotional energy in judging them... especially since judgment in this case can only come from incomplete information (consider the data set and the huge number of unknown unknowns).

Generally, in the ego-dominated Western culture, the older one becomes, the more the ego identifies with beliefs, thus the more difficult it becomes to change one's mind. For that same reason (older people less likely to adopt crypto), most people posting here are young folks whose minds are still moldable. ;)


Only religiously-brainwashed people in the West "throw the concept of god to the fringes of our current knowledge". You can by no means say the same about Eastern and mystical knowledge.

Not only is the idea that "the origins of life aren't yet completely understood" a humongous understatement, it's a question derived from premises that rely on invalid assumptions. Have you ever heard about the idea of the "hard problem of science"?

You have no idea how much information is out there that you are missing. You are relying on authority to tell you what we know, what we seek to know, and even what is real.

All of them are crazy but i think the craziest is googlism. I'm so happy that nobody forced me to be religious.

They forced you to believe in a number of religions that are not called religions because they are more fundamental to your mind's enslavement. The most insidious of them is called statism. Another is money.

Evolution does not explain how the universe came to be, nor does it explain how life itself started.

The universe tends to go from order to chaos if left alone

Life tends to decay into death after a while.

Death does not bring life.

Chaos does not bring order.

With those simple FACTS, one can conclude evolution is impossible.

Natural selection and genetics on a small scale can produce different breeds of the same species, but they will always be the same species, the same animal. No new animal is ever formed, and no new animal will ever be formed, unless by divine intervention. I can show you many facts and evidence on how ridiculous the theory of evolution is. It's just insane anyone even beliefs in this. The theory of evolution defies all the laws of nature itself.

What you are doing is basically the same of what you are accusing me of, you don't want to belief in a being that is higher than you because you refuse to take responsibility for your actions, therefore you create a story that disproves god, without having actual proof that there is no god. But you keep repeating the same lie over and over until even you yourself start believing in it. However evolution is simply just that, a lie. Now i'm not saying that disproving evolution and abiogenesis proves god per se, but fact still remains that there are no better explanations to explain the order and life in the universe, while all scientific experiments show that life and order do not suddenly appear anywhere under any known circumstances.

To deny that god exists is a bigger leap of faith than to say 'the laws of nature do not make sense unless some divine being that is above/outside the laws of the universe must have started this whole process'.

^ Please define "divine intervention". If you can't define it, then how are your beliefs more grounded than those of an evolutionist? How are you not grasping at straws like the evolutionists?

name one example of where science has proven the bible wrong.

And i'm not talking about the catholic church interpretation of the bible, or any other church for that matter, i'm taking about the bible itself.

that's what the catholics say, that's not what the bible says, and that's not what a loving and just god would do.


He knows you, but he doesn't know your actions since you have free will. And even though you might not get granted everlasting life in paradise, you'll definitly not go to hell, as there is no such thing. There's either eternal life on earth, in the conditions god meant the earth to be (or heaven for a select few) or just nothingness, cease to exist after you die. No torment or pain or anything. Not all that bad, it's your own choice after all. What god would give infinite punishment for finite mistakes? would that be just or loving? absolutely not!


There's no hell. And heaven was not meant for humans, earth was (adam and eve were placed on earth, not in heaven, heaven is meant for angels).


Abortion is equal to murder under biblical law.


what?

it's funny how most atheists talk about science, while their methods are unscientific.

True scientists (which are very rare, as the scientific community is heavily censored and peer-pressured) think like this: "Whatever i know now is based on current knowledge, but whenever i find evidence that suggests otherwise i have to recreate my perception of the universe to fit all evidence into a new model that fits the puzzle together more accurately"

In other words life and our understand of it is one giant puzzle which we can't even begin to understand, and every now and than we find another piece of the puzzle. And whenever one is found we get to understand it better, but only if we allow ourselves to re-arrange the puzzle pieces we already had, instead of rejecting the new piece of the puzzle because it doesn't fit without re-arranging your flawed world view.

There is absolute truth, but to think your truth is absolute is flawed in itself, no human knows the absolute truth of everything, or we would be gods ourselves. Always keep learning and always consider the fact that you COULD BE wrong. Explore other ideas and see if they could be true, even if you don't believe in them, explore them and find out why they can or can't be true.

Only if you explore an idea fully you will be able to tell if it's plausible or not, don't just reject it because you THINK it's flawed, that's just blind faith in your own knowledge. That's completely the opposite of science!

like i already explained earlier in the tread, even though the bible does not specifically state how god created everything, logically i would say god exists and always existed outside our dimensions.

And because of this, time as we know it does not apply to god. Therefore, he could have easily created the universe (with the universe i mean all objects inside the universe as well as all the laws of physics) 'in the beginning' (it was the beginning for us, not for him, he already was, just not in our 4 dimensions).

Since he created the 4 dimensions we know, he can interact with it, possibly even visit it, but he is not limited to it, nor is he limited to the laws of physics inside it.

Note that this is just my interpretation on how it can be, this vision is not stated specifically in the bible, it's just my own logical conclusion which may be wrong.

Divine intervention would be any act that would not happen normally under the laws of the universe, (miracles), and are directly caused by an entity (or entities) that do not belong to our 4 dimensions.

Well put; you are "absolutely" right!


Now (https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Tom+Campbell) wouldn't (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1N_PHv75tA) THAT (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHLY43gUqiw) be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jO_dGwu2gbg) a (https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=non+duality) surprise (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfIYGaslVnA)!


Or, put another way, resist the egoic urge to embrace any one particular belief to make your (its) own.


Though opposite in concept, that pretty much perfectly describes modern-day "scientific" inquiry by the "scientific" establishment. And religion.



Your thinking is sound, except when you slip in the Bible as if an authority of ontological inquiry. What makes you believe the Bible has this status? What Bible are you reading? Even if KJV, it's still very far from the original Aramaic. What's your explanation for the Dead Sea Scrolls? What's your view on Calvinism, dispensationalism, and the apocalyptic Christian Zionists?

nuff said.

Scientology is one for sure.

I wouldn't go that far.  Buddhism teaches that which is the result of observation and experience, and they even provide replicable methods of achieving different spiritual goals, the purposes of which are integral to its core doctrine..  It basically teaches you to utilize the scientific method.

In my opinion, the great thing about Buddhism is that it adds to empiricism an emphasis on the observation of internal processes and even meta-observation.   It's unfortunate that knowledge gained from this scope of observation is often disregarded as totally insignificant.

^ That's a rather gross misrepresentation of Buddhism... What you are doing here is elevating the scientific method to a position it has not earned (and cannot earn), and then using it as a superset (a kind of God figure) within which you believe that you must fit other ontologically-distinct approaches to understanding what reality is. To understand where Buddhism is even coming from, you have to go back to Plato and ignore the Aristotelian separation of physics and metaphysics, science and natural philosophy, for that is the reductionist distinction that has turned science/philosophy into the religion of science. Instead of oral traditions and Church on Sundays, this religion is handed down via the unconscious belief in authority. Here's probably the nicest place to start to get a grip on Buddhism:

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Alan+Watts+Buddhism

What kind of meth are you on? Buddhism isn't religion. It's a lifestyle.

That's a very unimportant semantic distinction, and I would argue that Buddhism certainly can be considered religious (e.g. Mahayana Buddhism could be classified this way due to its incorporated deities).

Maybe I should preface my response by letting you know I've studied (and practiced aspects of) Buddhism for well over a decade and have taken college courses and read over a dozen Buddhist texts (including original sutras, several books by the Dalai Lama, The Tibetan Book of Living and Dying, etc.) on the topic.  I wouldn't consider myself an expert on Buddhism especially when it comes to it's history, but I believe I have a very solid grasp on itsphilosophy.

That being said, I think you misunderstood the Buddha as he virtually replicates the scientific method (at least, as much as logically possible; forget that the scientific method came MUCH later) and applies it introspectively. mmIt's not an exact analogue of the scientific method, but it's very similar in that observation is the basis for learning -- about the nature of the self rather than the nature of a Positivistic Universe) -- and that with this knowledge one can form hypothesis about the self, to set goals for one self, and implement methods to attain these goals.  The Buddha made it exceptionally clear that all information is filtered through our own unique observational window (even information discovered and shared by others) and thus we need a sound way to depend on ourselves.

However, you raise an interesting consideration in that The Buddha would not consider reality in dichotomous terms, though that doesn't change the fact that the Buddhist method for acquiring knowledge both within and without looks a lot like science.  This is implicitly shown through the Buddhist conception of the word 'karma' which is perfectly synonymous with 'cause and effect."