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Title: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: TERA on May 29, 2014, 11:21:21 AM
Everywhere I hear a psychic give a prediction on bitcoin, it seems to be unanimously bearish and apocalyptic.

"52 Bitcoin OK just think the crash of 1929, and the South Sea Bubble. Multiply those two events by ten then you'll be close to what is going to happen to this ponzi scheme."
-Christian Dion "the seer"

"Prediction #14: The alternative digital currency, Bitcoin, will crash due to a well placed virus that affects the algorithm. . …"
-LaMont Hamilton

I had a personal reading myself with a renowned psychic in march/april and was told:
-someone would steal all my money
-exchanges would start stealing customer money (I described what happened with gox and was told other exchanges were going to start doing the same thing)
-whatever happened in December was going to happen again, and cause a crash
-There would be a recovery into the 500s.
-There would be a little bit of action this year, but nothing extravagant. No huge rallies. Probably just 500s.
-Afterwards, prices would steadily decline again into an even further crash
-Something would happen in Japan
-The costs of using Bitcoin would rise (due to regulation)
-I was not going to continue to exponentially increase my money into millions and I was more likely to lose it all instead.

So what's up with these psychics. Why are they so bearish?

Disclaimer: I am currently long since my stop was blown out at $460 and I moved all of my coins into cold storage. I don't plan on changing this at the moment.


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: raskul on May 29, 2014, 11:25:23 AM
all of these predictions could be similarly said about Oil - as it will eventually run out.
bitcoin, will - eventually run out - this is where 'sidekicks' base there ideas. I shouldn't take too much of it as serious.

Stocks go up, stocks go down; in the end stocks are still active and ups and downs are all part of the journey.


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: Ultros on May 29, 2014, 11:28:55 AM
http://emotibot.net/pix/294.jpg

I guess it's safer for "psychics" to be pessimistic. If it goes bad you can't blame them since they warned you and if it goes well you're just too happy to remember. Anyway they always can argue they were right on some extent, joy of the statistics.

And welcome-back TERA.  :)


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: spiderbrain on May 29, 2014, 11:39:14 AM
Maybe psychics want to buy in lower like everyone else? I dare say there will be some misery after the next bubbles forms and pops, but if you're in now that probably won't be a problem for you. But hey, it's bitcoin, so who the hell knows?


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: Miz4r on May 29, 2014, 12:09:03 PM
Bitcoin has gone up almost 100 fold in only a year, and it's still worth about 50 times as much as it was at the beginning of last year. This would make anyone intuitively scared for a huge crash I think, especially if they don't really understand Bitcoin and look at it from a distance. I doubt these psychics understand anything about the technology, and as they rely mostly on their heightened intuitive sense they are likely to 'feel' it's going to crash due to some hack/virus/whatever. By the way I actually believe in psychic abilities, but there are more scammers in that field than there are in the Bitcoin world. :P Also I have rarely heard a psychic make a public prediction that came true, unless it was a generic prediction that was likely to come true anyway. An honest and real psychic would probably not make public predictions or would be more humble about his own abilities. They can feel or pick up on certain things, but there is always noise and information being lost during the interpretation and translation into words of those things they pick up.


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: MatTheCat on May 29, 2014, 12:14:14 PM
My dreams and intuitions take a front seat to any TA that I do. Some examples:

14th Feb: Bitcoin around $680: (observe the 'hilarious' jpeg that Holliday posted and it's resemblance to the 'hilariouser' jpeg posted by Ultros in this thread)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=465422.msg5144467#msg5144467

Result: Bitcoin down to $400 (I had 60 BTC of buy-ins placed entirely at $391.43).



23rd April Bitcoin around $490:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=581956.msg6361758#msg6361758

Result: Bitcoin crashes $60 a couple of days later and remains in sub $450 zone for ages.



May 10th Bitcoin around $450:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=581956.msg6642826#msg6642826

Result: Bitcoin dips down to $420, but is now in upper $500s.


And there is much more littered around the forum in various posts that I can't be arsed digging out. But it was a dream that brought me charging into Bitcoin with the lionshare of my capital to begin with. When Bitcoin was at $300, I dreamt that it hit $600 on MtGox (where I checked the Bitcoin price in those days), it was spooked out dreams/intuitions that got me to close my positions right near the very top of the market, and I have had many spooked out Bitcoin dreams in the past, even stating that Bitcoin was due to experience a pending death event, a good few weeks before Gox admitted that they were trading Gox-Coins and a fuller extent of the scandal there broke into the public domain.

Recently, my dreams have been pointing to upside in Bitcoin, as the May 10th post demonstrates. Most recently though, I dreamt I seen Bitcoin back down at $500 (I went to bed that night in a pickle as whether to buy back in or not as a Bitcoin was crawling up to its $595 high) and have thus based my own TA around the principle of a substantial correction to come. That doesn't mean Bitcoin will go to exactly $500. I just take that and the emotional response it ellicits as indicative of the market intention that my subconscious mind is able to read, whilst my conscious mind struggles with charts, indicators, and emotionally charged 'opinion' on places such as this one.




I had a personal reading myself with a renowned psychic in march/april and was told:
-someone would steal all my money
-exchanges would start stealing customer money (I described what happened with gox and was told other exchanges were going to start doing the same thing)

You trade on Bitfinex right?

I had several bad dreams about that place, so I pulled my funds from it. Shortly afterwards there was the Bitcoin to $10K hack on Bitfinex and then then Bitcoin to $100 on BTC-e and Bitfinex hacker sell-off. I have course went back to Bitfinex where I made my worst Bitcoin trade ever and stubbornly held out to almost the point of max pain (yeah, I could have broken even on it if my nerve had held out...or almost have broken even), but I doubt I will trade there again as I am convinced the place is crooked as fuck and they are running a fractional reserve Bitcoin exchange. Just like BTC-e, and just like Gox.

Psychics probably have bad 'visions' about Bitcoin because it is such a fucking sharkpool and the authorities could pull the plug on it all so easily, overtly or covertly.

2013 Bull-run apparently being largely down to traders 'Willy' and 'Markus' on Gox
Satoshi's 1.5 MBTC probably NSA's Bitcoins.

oo-er!

Bitcoin is an unsecure and frankly scary corrupt, crooked, and totally stitched up marketplace. This is going to give very negative messages to the subconscious mind resulting in some rather horrific visions playing out in the 'minds eye'. Doesn't mean that they will all literally play out, but the potential is certainly there for 'shit to happen'.


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: wachtwoord on May 29, 2014, 12:29:46 PM
"Reading auras is like reading minds, or tea leaves, or star signs, or meridian lines - these people aren't plying a skill. They're either lying or mentally ill."
—Tim Minchin


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: Ibian on May 29, 2014, 12:40:03 PM
It's obvious. Any rational analysis says the price will go up over time. The only recourse left for fudsters is to dive into the occult.

Also, actual professional con artists rely on confusion and panic. It's the only way for them to make a living.


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: TERA on May 29, 2014, 12:43:11 PM
It's obvious. Any rational analysis says the price will go up over time. The only recourse left for fudsters is to dive into the occult.
My psychic is not a trader and knew nothing at all about bitcoin before the reading.  ( I don't know about those other psychics I posted about though)


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: Ibian on May 29, 2014, 12:44:15 PM
It's obvious. Any rational analysis says the price will go up over time. The only recourse left for fudsters is to dive into the occult.
My psychic is not a trader and knew nothing at all about bitcoin before the reading.
Then why are you listening to him?


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: wachtwoord on May 29, 2014, 12:45:22 PM
It's obvious. Any rational analysis says the price will go up over time. The only recourse left for fudsters is to dive into the occult.
My psychic is not a trader and knew nothing at all about bitcoin before the reading.
Then why are you listening to him?

A good laugh?  :D


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: jl2012 on May 29, 2014, 12:46:29 PM
Quote
"52 Bitcoin OK just think the crash of 1929, and the South Sea Bubble. Multiply those two events by ten then you'll be close to what is going to happen to this ponzi scheme."
-Christian Dion "the seer"

"Prediction #14: The alternative digital currency, Bitcoin, will crash due to a well placed virus that affects the algorithm. . …"
-LaMont Hamilton


These statements, without a time frame specified, are NEVER falsifiable ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falsifiability )

So these are simply pseudo-science



Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: TERA on May 29, 2014, 12:46:48 PM
It's obvious. Any rational analysis says the price will go up over time. The only recourse left for fudsters is to dive into the occult.
My psychic is not a trader and knew nothing at all about bitcoin before the reading.
Then why are you listening to him?
To obtain as many different perspectives from as many different angles as possible.

Quote
"52 Bitcoin OK just think the crash of 1929, and the South Sea Bubble. Multiply those two events by ten then you'll be close to what is going to happen to this ponzi scheme."
-Christian Dion "the seer"

"Prediction #14: The alternative digital currency, Bitcoin, will crash due to a well placed virus that affects the algorithm. . …"
-LaMont Hamilton


These statements, without a time frame specified, are NEVER falsifiable ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falsifiability )

So these are simply pseudo-science


The second statement was supposed to happen in 2014.


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: wachtwoord on May 29, 2014, 12:47:32 PM
It's obvious. Any rational analysis says the price will go up over time. The only recourse left for fudsters is to dive into the occult.
My psychic is not a trader and knew nothing at all about bitcoin before the reading.
Then why are you listening to him?
To obtain as many different perspectives from as many different angles as possible.

It's prudent to use a quality filter.


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: MatTheCat on May 29, 2014, 12:48:27 PM
A good laugh?  :D

If you find it so funny, go look at the links I posted of dreams, see where Bitcoin was at the time I posted, and then see what happened next.

If you think I am cherry picking, then feel free to trawl through my other posts for other examples (there are plenty).



Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: jl2012 on May 29, 2014, 12:51:21 PM
It's obvious. Any rational analysis says the price will go up over time. The only recourse left for fudsters is to dive into the occult.
My psychic is not a trader and knew nothing at all about bitcoin before the reading.
Then why are you listening to him?
To obtain as many different perspectives from as many different angles as possible.

Quote
"52 Bitcoin OK just think the crash of 1929, and the South Sea Bubble. Multiply those two events by ten then you'll be close to what is going to happen to this ponzi scheme."
-Christian Dion "the seer"

"Prediction #14: The alternative digital currency, Bitcoin, will crash due to a well placed virus that affects the algorithm. . …"
-LaMont Hamilton


These statements, without a time frame specified, are NEVER falsifiable ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falsifiability )

So these are simply pseudo-science


The second statement was supposed to happen in 2014.

Good. See you here again in 6 months


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: wachtwoord on May 29, 2014, 12:53:22 PM
"A virus that affects the algorithm?" Right  :D


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: HeliKopterBen on May 29, 2014, 01:00:46 PM
I guess its time to sell everything now.


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: FeedbackLoop on May 29, 2014, 01:03:45 PM
"A virus that affects the algorithm?" Right  :D

Psychics are not known for their basic logic skills (they only need to be slightly smarter than the people they sell their "services" to anyway which is not too hard).

But I know I'm still looking for that virus in the rules of chess that will allow me to win every game. One of tera's friends said the creator put it there and that I would find it.
 


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: TERA on May 29, 2014, 01:10:56 PM
I've been trying to figure out myself how a virus could be hidden in open source code. It would have to be some very well crafted logic error that would occur only under certain conditions and that every coder would be unable to detect when simply reviewing the code.  It could also perhaps be something hidden in the blockchain and currently encrypted, but once the key is revealed, it will be decrypted and the virus will be readable.


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: FeedbackLoop on May 29, 2014, 01:12:12 PM
I've been trying to figure out myself how a virus could be hidden in open source code. It would have to be some very well crafted logic error that would occur only under certain conditions and that every coder would be unable to detect when simply reviewing the code.  It could also perhaps be something hidden in the blockchain and currently encrypted, but once the key is revealed, it will be decrypted and the virus will be readable.

algorithm != source code


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: wachtwoord on May 29, 2014, 01:12:24 PM
I've been trying to figure out myself how a virus could be hidden in open source code. It would have to be some very well crafted logic error that would occur only under certain conditions and that every coder would be unable to detect when simply reviewing the code.  It could also perhaps be something hidden in the blockchain and currently encrypted, but once the key is revealed, it will be decrypted and the virus will be revealed.

This is one of the reasons Bitcoin is not Turing complete.


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: wachtwoord on May 29, 2014, 01:14:29 PM
I've been trying to figure out myself how a virus could be hidden in open source code. It would have to be some very well crafted logic error that would occur only under certain conditions and that every coder would be unable to detect when simply reviewing the code.  It could also perhaps be something hidden in the blockchain and currently encrypted, but once the key is revealed, it will be decrypted and the virus will be readable.

algorithm != source code


Yeah, source code is A implementation of the algorithm.


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: spazzdla on May 29, 2014, 02:15:41 PM
The first two quotes are so wrong it hurts my head.


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: dasein on May 29, 2014, 04:12:32 PM
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/sm/jmpndlms.jpeg


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: blatchcorn on May 29, 2014, 04:17:19 PM
The psychic predicted something will happen in Japan?

With that level of accuracy and specificity I am wondering why we have not all sold our bitcoin after reading this.


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: raskul on May 29, 2014, 04:20:36 PM
NEWS FLASH: someone bought sushi today: IN JAPAN.


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: blatchcorn on May 29, 2014, 04:54:50 PM
NEWS FLASH: someone bought sushi today: IN JAPAN.
Panic selling!!!!


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: Gingermod on May 29, 2014, 05:38:28 PM
What are you stupid OP?


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: raskul on May 29, 2014, 05:46:04 PM
NEWS FLASH: someone bought sushi today: IN JAPAN.
Panic selling!!!!

reports coming in that the scare was caused; as this person (buying sushi for lunch), used bitcoin to purchase it.
prepare for a crash.


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: piramida on May 29, 2014, 05:46:48 PM
Psychics make living on everything illogical, mystical, and unprovable. Bitcoin is a promise of converting every aspect of our life to provably fair, realistic and logical. If I'd be a psychic, I'd be actively trying to destroy bitcoin before it destroys my job :)

PS However if I'd be a good psychic, I'd see the futility of the attempt and go grab some coins lower...


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: beetcoin on May 29, 2014, 06:37:04 PM
physicists, if you look throughout history, can be narrow-minded people who are entrenched in their old ways of thinking. the great ones usually come along and challenge the convention, like an einstein or newton. all of the best theoretical physicists are usually artistic-minded people too. einstein plays musical instruments, and i think sean carroll does as well.


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: Benjig on May 29, 2014, 07:10:13 PM
Because psychics are skeptical in all new things, they think they know everything, and everytime they encounter with some new and innovating topic, they try to stop it.


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: gentlemand on May 29, 2014, 07:25:41 PM
A much more pertinent question is - why didn't psychics buy every single bitcoin in 2009?


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: u9y42 on May 29, 2014, 07:31:50 PM
physicists, if you look throughout history, can be narrow-minded people who are entrenched in their old ways of thinking. the great ones usually come along and challenge the convention, like an einstein or newton. all of the best theoretical physicists are usually artistic-minded people too. einstein plays musical instruments, and i think sean carroll does as well.

The thread is about psychics, not physicists...  ;D

I've been trying to figure out myself how a virus could be hidden in open source code. It would have to be some very well crafted logic error that would occur only under certain conditions and that every coder would be unable to detect when simply reviewing the code.  It could also perhaps be something hidden in the blockchain and currently encrypted, but once the key is revealed, it will be decrypted and the virus will be readable.

It's most likely nonsense of course, but I wonder if you could create a virus (external, not hidden in the source code) specifically designed to affect the operation of miners somehow, to screw with the blockchain; though I suppose it would have to infect a substantial portion of them to have any real effect.


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: Benjig on May 29, 2014, 07:35:00 PM
physicists, if you look throughout history, can be narrow-minded people who are entrenched in their old ways of thinking. the great ones usually come along and challenge the convention, like an einstein or newton. all of the best theoretical physicists are usually artistic-minded people too. einstein plays musical instruments, and i think sean carroll does as well.

The thread is about psychics, not physicists...  ;D

I've been trying to figure out myself how a virus could be hidden in open source code. It would have to be some very well crafted logic error that would occur only under certain conditions and that every coder would be unable to detect when simply reviewing the code.  It could also perhaps be something hidden in the blockchain and currently encrypted, but once the key is revealed, it will be decrypted and the virus will be readable.

It's most likely nonsense of course, but I wonder if you could create a virus specifically designed to affect the operation of miners somehow, to screw with the blockchain; though I suppose it would have to affect a substantial portion of them to have any real effect.

I think that the people who invented bitcoin, already tought about that.. with criptography theres no really a virus that can do that. It will just take millenias triying to get some free bticoins


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: beetcoin on May 29, 2014, 08:04:02 PM
shit, i noticed the word was psychics.. didn't know we're crazy enough to talk about what psychics think about bitcoin.


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: Torque on May 29, 2014, 08:07:14 PM
I read the title as "Why are psychotics bearish on bitcoin?"

And then I thought, yep... sounds about right.  Herp derp.


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: YogoH on May 29, 2014, 08:09:45 PM
Wow, so you are saying bitcoin is risky?


Jesus christ this hasn't crossed anyone else's mind ever. We all thought this was #1 sure thing.


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: CEG5952 on May 29, 2014, 08:13:19 PM
Maybe they figure since it is so newfangled and unproven, there is a high probability that it will fail. Kind of like a start-up venture or something. :D


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: protokol on May 29, 2014, 08:30:56 PM
A much more pertinent question is - why didn't psychics buy every single bitcoin in 2009?

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Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: RodeoX on May 29, 2014, 08:34:28 PM
If your investment strat involves consulting a psychic, .... Never mind.  ::)


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: blatchcorn on May 29, 2014, 09:08:42 PM
Out of curiosity, is it theoretically possible for mathematical breakthroughs to undermine the way bitcoin works?


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: Ibian on May 29, 2014, 09:14:37 PM
Out of curiosity, is it theoretically possible for mathematical breakthroughs to undermine the way bitcoin works?
Not with existing technology, no. People who don't understand what they have thrown money in will talk about quantum computing and other fantasies, but nothing realistic.


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: teukon on May 29, 2014, 11:40:32 PM
Out of curiosity, is it theoretically possible for mathematical breakthroughs to undermine the way bitcoin works?

Certainly.  The standard riposte is "If a mathematical discovery left Bitcoin beyond repair, Bitcoin would be the least of your worries".


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: TERA on May 30, 2014, 12:37:20 AM
I'd like to take a moment to thank the ignorant trolls on here for their valuable contributions which enrich and clarify the discussions on the forum.

They understand the truth which is that there are only two types of posts:  A bull posting that says "buy everything" and a bear posting that says "sell everything", everyone has an agenda behind their post, and there is no such thing as an objective discussion.


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: Wandererfromthenorth on May 30, 2014, 12:43:53 AM
I'd like to take a moment to thank the ignorant trolls on here for their valuable contributions which enrich and clarify the discussions on the forum.

They understand the truth which is that there are only two types of posts:  A bull posting that says "buy everything" and a bear posting that says "sell everything", everyone has an agenda behind their post, and there is no such thing as an objective discussion.
With a thread about friggin' psychics and a first post that sounds serious what do you expect?


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: freedomno1 on May 30, 2014, 12:46:15 AM
The title of this thread got me to read it
That said I have not heard a psychic give a reading on Bitcoin but I don't think it has any ghosts yet
(Except Satoshi perhaps)
So it wouldn't give it a spiritual vibe well that and maybe a bunch of stoners from the Silk Road lol.


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: Ibian on May 30, 2014, 12:54:14 AM
I'd like to take a moment to thank the ignorant trolls on here for their valuable contributions which enrich and clarify the discussions on the forum.

They understand the truth which is that there are only two types of posts:  A bull posting that says "buy everything" and a bear posting that says "sell everything", everyone has an agenda behind their post, and there is no such thing as an objective discussion.
Okay, you believe in fairies and invisible pink unicorns. That's lovely. It's still a bunch of hogwash though.


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: TERA on May 30, 2014, 12:54:30 AM
I'd like to take a moment to thank the ignorant trolls on here for their valuable contributions which enrich and clarify the discussions on the forum.

They understand the truth which is that there are only two types of posts:  A bull posting that says "buy everything" and a bear posting that says "sell everything", everyone has an agenda behind their post, and there is no such thing as an objective discussion.
With a thread about friggin' psychics and a first post that sounds serious what do you expect?

I expect a higher quality of discussion in a forum of bitcoiners. I thought these were intelligent people but the community now seems to be mostly a bunch of children who recently hopped on the train of the latest and hottest thing and they all have this strong sense of entitlement now that they belong in the upper class. A bunch of brats and parasites.


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: Ibian on May 30, 2014, 12:56:01 AM
I'd like to take a moment to thank the ignorant trolls on here for their valuable contributions which enrich and clarify the discussions on the forum.

They understand the truth which is that there are only two types of posts:  A bull posting that says "buy everything" and a bear posting that says "sell everything", everyone has an agenda behind their post, and there is no such thing as an objective discussion.
With a thread about friggin' psychics and a first post that sounds serious what do you expect?

I expect a higher quality of discussion in a forum of bitcoiners. I thought these were intelligent people but the community now seems to be mostly a bunch of children who recently hopped on the train of the latest and hottest thing and they all have this strong sense of entitlement now that they belong in the upper class. A bunch of brats and parasites.
Intelligent people generally do not believe in things that can not be reliably reproduced in a lab. Comes with the territory.


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: bitcoinsrus on May 30, 2014, 12:56:35 AM
I'd like to take a moment to thank the ignorant trolls on here for their valuable contributions which enrich and clarify the discussions on the forum.

They understand the truth which is that there are only two types of posts:  A bull posting that says "buy everything" and a bear posting that says "sell everything", everyone has an agenda behind their post, and there is no such thing as an objective discussion.
With a thread about friggin' psychics and a first post that sounds serious what do you expect?

I expect a higher quality of discussion in a forum of bitcoiners. I thought these were intelligent people but the community now seems to be mostly a bunch of children who recently hopped on the train of the latest and hottest thing and they all have this strong sense of entitlement now that they belong in the upper class. A bunch of brats and parasites.

They have some quality threads (I like goombas, rpetillas and a few others that have some decent info)


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: TERA on May 30, 2014, 12:57:32 AM
I'd like to take a moment to thank the ignorant trolls on here for their valuable contributions which enrich and clarify the discussions on the forum.

They understand the truth which is that there are only two types of posts:  A bull posting that says "buy everything" and a bear posting that says "sell everything", everyone has an agenda behind their post, and there is no such thing as an objective discussion.
With a thread about friggin' psychics and a first post that sounds serious what do you expect?

I expect a higher quality of discussion in a forum of bitcoiners. I thought these were intelligent people but the community now seems to be mostly a bunch of children who recently hopped on the train of the latest and hottest thing and they all have this strong sense of entitlement now that they belong in the upper class. A bunch of brats and parasites.

They have some quality threads (I like goombas, rpetillas and a few others that have some decent info)
Yes there are some intelligent posters who actually contribute and they are not the ones trolling me with insults.


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: Ibian on May 30, 2014, 12:58:33 AM
I'd like to take a moment to thank the ignorant trolls on here for their valuable contributions which enrich and clarify the discussions on the forum.

They understand the truth which is that there are only two types of posts:  A bull posting that says "buy everything" and a bear posting that says "sell everything", everyone has an agenda behind their post, and there is no such thing as an objective discussion.
With a thread about friggin' psychics and a first post that sounds serious what do you expect?

I expect a higher quality of discussion in a forum of bitcoiners. I thought these were intelligent people but the community now seems to be mostly a bunch of children who recently hopped on the train of the latest and hottest thing and they all have this strong sense of entitlement now that they belong in the upper class. A bunch of brats and parasites.

They have some quality threads (I like goombas, rpetillas and a few others that have some decent info)
Yes there are some intelligent ones who actually contribute and they are not the ones trolling me with insults.
You are not being trolled. You are asking why con artists tend to have a negative view on bitcoin and you have been given a number of plausible answers which you do not like.


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: MatTheCat on May 30, 2014, 01:00:41 AM
I'd like to take a moment to thank the ignorant trolls on here for their valuable contributions which enrich and clarify the discussions on the forum.

They understand the truth which is that there are only two types of posts:  A bull posting that says "buy everything" and a bear posting that says "sell everything", everyone has an agenda behind their post, and there is no such thing as an objective discussion.

I wouldn't know about that. Half the cunts who have posted here are on my ignore list so I don't even get to read whatever drivvle or mind-numbing memes that they post.

Incase you missed it, I suggested that psychics are bearish on Bitcoin because it is what it is. A 'pilot scheme' of a novel financial concept that could very easily turn to vapour within a flash. The Bitcoin market is also a fkn shark-pool and we now know that probably we have 'Willy' to thank for the bull run of 2013. Whilst I have read comments on here along the lines of 'who cares who or what got Bitcoin up', the reality is that a lot of people were robbed of their wealth as a result of Gox's ill considered Ponzi Scheme to rapidly pump the Bitcoin market cap, thus allowing at least some people to cash out with 10000% profits. So Bitcoin is also a market drunk on realisations and yet further dreams of avarice.

Bitcoin is a toxic, nasty and dangerous phenomena that is likely one day, to implode. Of course the subconscious mind is going to fear it. Psychics, good psychics are people who have an ability to tune into subconscious processes on some kind of level. However, I wouldn't take any details that a psychic tells me at face value, but rather more as symbolic of future or potential courses of events.

Intelligent people generally do not believe in things that can not be reliably reproduced in a lab. Comes with the territory.

Closed minded people trapped in a rationalist mindset, generally don't believe in things that can't be reproduced in a lab.

There is a whole universe out there. A whole realm of infinite wisdom and possibility. And you are limited to only acknowledging 'what can be reproduced in a lab'.



Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: TERA on May 30, 2014, 01:07:03 AM
The postings are unintelligent because they make assumptions or statements about me personally which I did not state at all, but they automatically assume that anyone who writes a posts that involve anything negative believes in what they are posting about and is personally a bear with a bearish position. This is a false assumption and I even stated that I was long at the end of the post, which must have been ignored. On top of that, they add in emotional statements, exxagerations, and insults, which are mis-based and add no value to a discussion at all and make it unreadable. Some of the posts are just trash and you have to delete/ignore them in order to make any sense of the thread you are reading at all.


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: bitcoinsrus on May 30, 2014, 01:15:32 AM
When I was new on the forum (December 2013) I listened to what tera and matt were saying because they are older members here and they gave reasoning to what they were saying (that made sense). A few months ago (you guys seem to be on the same page @bearish) and got slammed for it by other members.

I still listen to what you guys say and I suggest the newer members just listen to what they are talking about. They have more experience than us (newer members) and could teach us a thing or two.






Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: Wandererfromthenorth on May 30, 2014, 01:19:58 AM
Nobody is being insulted here.

Psychics are very likely to be con-artists, do I even have to list you the cases of prosecution with these blatant scams?
Even if you believe that psychic's powers actually exist (which is something that you should provide some kind of evidence for in the first place), they are still very likely to be scammers.


So, why should we be serious about a thread that talks about people that are very probably delusional at best, scammers at worst?



Actually I'm genuinely interested, can you give me some kind of evidence that would suggest that psychics could have real psychic powers?
Serious question now. no trolling



Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: TERA on May 30, 2014, 01:21:06 AM
The mentality of an average bitcoiner has gone from

helping to build and a spread the technology behind bitcoin to grow bitcoin and improve the world

to

a market struggle between two opposing teams - the 'bulls' and the 'bears'. you have to chant and cheerlead for your team and opress any discussions that might belong to the other team.


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: YipYip on May 30, 2014, 01:22:28 AM
The postings are unintelligent because they make assumptions or statements about me personally which I did not state at all, but they automatically assume that anyone who writes a posts that involve anything negative believes in what they are posting about and is personally a bear with a bearish position. This is a false assumption and I even stated that I was long at the end of the post, which must have been ignored. On top of that, they add in emotional statements, exxagerations, and insults, which are mis-based and add no value to a discussion at all and make it unreadable. Some of the posts are just trash and you have to delete/ignore them in order to make any sense of the thread you are reading at all.

The postings are unintelligible because it is phrased in the context of a illogical statement about some flying fruit & nut job psychic's

How can anyone dispute or discuss why your psychic's  felt this way ??

Unless I can say ...

1)just spoke to a good friend of mine in the afterlife and  his version of teh future was bullish...
2) My crystal ball had a big rainbow in it with a pot of bitcoin at the bottom
3) a  black cat hissed then purred at me which proves a small correction but an overall bullsih trend
4) I got a train ticket and the last 6 alpha numeric character set on the reciept where btc999 ... Its a sign

All of this rubbish makes as more sense as the crap you have posted......

P.S Especially num# 4 :D


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: Wandererfromthenorth on May 30, 2014, 01:23:02 AM
The mentality of an average bitcoiner has gone from

helping to build and a spread the technology behind bitcoin to grow bitcoin and improve the world

to

a market struggle between two opposing teams - the 'bulls' and the 'bears'. you have to chant and cheerlead for your team and opress any discussions that might belong to the other team.
I don't think that if you would have posted "psychics are bullish on bitcoin" the posts would have been much different.
Maybe some "to the moooon" kinda joking posts but the problem is clearly "the psychics" part here.


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: TERA on May 30, 2014, 01:27:47 AM
The problem is the assumption that I have complete faith in these psychics are not skeptical of them myself. The problem is the personalization of every post I make, in which posters go beyond the ojective topic I was talking about and start making statements about me, my personal beliefs, my personal agenda, my personal position, etc. There are often objections to added points I supposedly made which I did not write at all.


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: Ibian on May 30, 2014, 01:47:30 AM
Just one question then tera. Do you believe in paranormal powers?


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: MatTheCat on May 30, 2014, 01:47:53 AM
When I was new on the forum (December 2013) I listened to what tera and matt were saying because they are older members here and they gave reasoning to what they were saying (that made sense). A few months ago (you guys seem to be on the same page @bearish) and got slammed for it by other members.

I still listen to what you guys say and I suggest the newer members just listen to what they are talking about. They have more experience than us (newer members) and could teach us a thing or two.


When Bitcoin was at $800, and I was telling you not to buy or you were gonna be kicking yourself when it was trending in between $400-$500 one day, and I was laughed out the place. I wasn't talking from 'experience'. I had only just discovered what a MACD was in January. I am a noob when it comes to market analysis. What I do have however, is good intuition. My bearishness was always based largely on subconscious instinct. My recent 'pause' in bearishness was also inspired by dreams that I have had. (links posted to dreams I described b4 the market events).....and it is this kind of thing that TERA is talking about......or was trying to talk about before the thread got infested with the usual spastic retard-talk, interspersed with the odd rational genius butting in to point out how psychics are con merchants that set out to manipulate the weak minded.

...btw....at this point in time, I believe Bitcoin will go up a bit from here, but not before a bit more of a correction beforehand....

.....should I get anything else a bit more lucid over the following days, then I shall be sure post it on your dream-speculation thread......although to get a good Bitcoin dream, I normally have to put a good bit of money into a position first, and I am not sure that I want to do that right at the moment.

Just one question then tera. Do you believe in paranormal powers?

He does. But he won't admit that to you for fear of ridicule.

I believe in paranormal phenonmena. In fact, I don't just believe in it. I know that such phenomena exists. You on the otherhand believe that it doesn't exist. But you don't know that it doesn't exist. That is the difference.


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: Wandererfromthenorth on May 30, 2014, 01:52:13 AM
I believe in paranormal phenonmena. In fact, I don't just believe in it. I know that such phenomena exists. You on the otherhand believe that it doesn't exist. But you don't know that it doesn't exist. That is the difference.
Can we ask you why? How?


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: Ibian on May 30, 2014, 01:53:16 AM
I believe in paranormal phenonmena. In fact, I don't just believe in it. I know that such phenomena exists. You on the otherhand believe that it doesn't exist. But you don't know that it doesn't exist. That is the difference.
Can we ask you why? How?
He thinks dreams are paranormal.


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: MatTheCat on May 30, 2014, 01:54:23 AM
Can we ask you why? How?

Same way as anyone knows anything.

Experience.

Edit: A very large topic and no easy, short, or even long way to go about describing the foundations of my understanding of such phenomena to people who subsribe to a Dawkinsesque rationalist worldview, without inviting ridicule upon myself, so why should I bother?

Point is that there are people out there with a talent for tuning into subconscious and collective subconscious processes on various levels. True, there are a lot of deluded nutters, piss takers, and con merchants, but there is always chaff amongst the grain.

I grew up with a typically secular rationalist mindset, and then I started taking psychedelics. One day, I discovered Fly Agaric mushrooms. I never once managed to take very much without feeling the need to puke, but on one occasion I had an experience with a tree. The tree fucking talked to me, as though it were 'there' and as though it had personality. I immediately rationalised that of course the tree did not talk to me, but the tree did have an energy, ultimately an energy that was related to the grass and land upon which the tree stood, which was also the same energy that consisted of what I am. Thus on these grounds, me and that tree were related, and on a certain level, we could communicate.  From that point on, my regular mushroom trips really started to open up and I soon discovered a wealth of land energy phenomena (yep, I am talking meridian lines and the like) and various purposes that they could serve, or have served in the past. Telepathy is possible. Planets have an energetic influence on the earth. It is possible to tell/sense the future as on the level of the infinite, it has already happened. Energy beings or entities exist that are beyond the perceptive capabilities of our 'normal' 5 sense reality. That in a nutshell is the basis of my understanding of so called 'paranormal' phenomena.


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: romneymoney on May 30, 2014, 02:25:44 AM
http://i.imgur.com/ljihcXI.jpg


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: YipYip on May 30, 2014, 02:44:19 AM
I was walking down the street and this old homeless lady (she looked like a witch to me) was pan handling for money

I asked if she took bitcoin...and her reply was "to DA MooN" and she walked off

Now what can I say its "A SIGN"


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: acs267 on May 30, 2014, 02:49:38 AM
I personally never play 'psychic' or play those Bitcoin Oracle games. Price goes up or down whenever it wants to. 'Believing' in it has nothing to do with that whatsoever. Obvious things are behind predictions.


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: eoJ on May 30, 2014, 07:14:27 AM
Actually I'm genuinely interested, can you give me some kind of evidence that would suggest that psychics could have real psychic powers?
Serious question now. no trolling


There is none. If you're middle aged, I can tell you that if you live in a rural/semi rural area, you've got a large tree opposite your house, when you were young, you had an accident that's stuck in your mind, involving water, and that you're experiencing some major health problems right now (look in eye, knowing slight nod).




And one that'll apply to the average member of this forum (credit to Derren Brown, read it as if you've had a consultation with a psychic and they've sent you a letter with it):

Quote
You are a person prone to bouts of self-examination. This is in sharp contrast to a striking ability you have developed to appear very socially engaged, even the life and soul of the party; but in a way that only convinces others. You are all too aware of it being a façade.

This means that you will often be at a gathering and find yourself playing a part. While on the one hand you’ll be talkative and funny, you’ll be detaching yourself to the point where you will find yourself watching everything going on around you and feeling utterly unable to engage. You’ll play conversations back to yourself in your head and wonder what that person really meant when he said such-and-such — conversations that other people wouldn’t give a second thought to.

How have you learned to deal with this conflict? Through exercising control. You like to show a calm, self-assured fluid kind of stability (but because this is self-consciously created, it will create bouts of frustrated silliness and a delight in extremes, or at least a delight in being seen to be extreme). You most easily recognise this control in how you are with people around you. You have learned to protect yourself by keeping people at bay. Because in the past you have learned to be disappointed by people (and because there were issues with you adjusting to your sexuality), you instinctively keep people at arms’ length, until you decide they are allowed over that magic line into your group of close friends. However, once across that line, the problem is that an emotional dependency kicks in which leaves you feeling very hurt or rejected if it appears that they have betrayed that status.

Because you are prone to self-examination, you will be aware of these traits. However, you are unusually able to examine even that self-examination, which means that you have become concerned about what the real you is. You have become all too aware of façades, of sides of yourself which you present to the world, and you wonder if you have lost touch with the real and spontaneous you.

You are very creative, and have tried different avenues to utilize that ability. It may not be that you specifically, say, paint; it may be that your creativity shows itself in more subtle ways, but you will certainly find yourself having vivid and well-formed ideas which others will find hard to grasp. You set high standards for yourself, though, and in many ways are a bit of a perfectionist. The problem is, though, that it means you often don’t get stuff done, because you are frustrated by the idea of mediocrity and are wearied by the idea of starting something afresh. However, once your brain is engaged you’ll find yourself sailing. Very much this will likely lead to you having considered writing a novel or some such, but a fear that you won’t be able to achieve quite what you want stops you from getting on with it. But you have a real vision for things, which others fall short of. Particularly in your academic/college situation, you are currently fighting against restraints upon your desire to express yourself freely.

Your relationship with your parents (there is a suggestion that one is no longer around, or at least emotionally absent) is under some strain. You wish to remain fond of them but recent issues are causing frustration – from your side far more than theirs. In fact they seem unaware of your thoughts on the matter. Partly this is because there are ways in which you have been made to feel isolated from certain groups in the past – something of an outsider. Now what is happening is that you are taking that outsider role and defending it to the point of consciously avoiding being part of a group. This will serve you well in your creative and career pursuits. You have an enormous cynicism towards those who prefer to be part of a group or who exhibit any cliquey behaviour, and you always feel a pang of disappointment when you see your ‘close’ friends seeming to follow that route. Deep down it feels like rejection.

However, for all that introspection, you have developed a sensational, dry sense of humour that makes connections quickly and wittily and will leave you making jokes that go right over the heads of others. You delight in it so much that you’ll often rehearse jokes or amusing voices to yourself in order to ’spontaneously’ impress others with them. But this is a healthy desire to impress, and although you hate catching yourself at it, it’s nothing to be so worried about.

There’s also an odd feeling that you should have been born in a different century. You might be able to make more sense of that than I can.

There are some strong monetary shifts taking place at the moment. Both the recent past and what’s in store over the next few months represent quite a change.

You have links at the moment with America (FOR PEOPLE IN ENGLAND - IF YOU'RE IN THE US, SWAP THIS FOR THE UK)), which are quite interesting, and will look to yield worthwhile results. You’re naturally a little disorganized. A look around your living space would show a box of photos, unorganised into albums, out-of-date medicines, broken items not thrown out, and notes to yourself which are significantly out of date. Something related to this is that you lack motivation. Because you’re resourceful and talented enough to be pretty successful when you put your mind to things, this encourages you to procrastinate and put them off. Equally, you’ve given up dreams a little easily when your mind flitted elsewhere. There are in your home signs of an excursion into playing a musical instrument, which you have since abandoned, or are finding yourself less interested in. (This may alternatively relate to poetry and creative writing you’ve briefly tried your hand at and left behind you.) You have a real capacity for deciding that such-and-such a thing (or so-and-so a person) will be the be all and end all of everything and be with you for ever. But you’d rather try and fail, and swing from one extreme to the other, than settle for the little that you see others content with.

Conclusion: It’s very interesting doing your reading, as you do present something of a conundrum, which won’t surprise you. You are certainly bright, but unusually open to life’s possibilities – something not normally found among achieving people. I’d say you’d do well to be less self-absorbed, as it tends to distance you a little, and to relinquish some of the control you exercise when you present that stylized version of yourself to others. You could let people in a little more, but I am aware that there is a darkness you feel you should hide (much of this is in the personal/relationship/sexual area, and is related to a neediness which you don’t like).

You really have an appealing personality – genuinely. Many thanks for doing this, and for offering something far more substantial than most.


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: windjc on May 30, 2014, 08:19:23 AM
PLEASE ANSWER THE FOLLOWING QUESTIONS IN RED

Everywhere I hear a psychic give a prediction on bitcoin, it seems to be unanimously bearish and apocalyptic.

"52 Bitcoin OK just think the crash of 1929, and the South Sea Bubble. Multiply those two events by ten then you'll be close to what is going to happen to this ponzi scheme."
-Christian Dion "the seer"

"Prediction #14: The alternative digital currency, Bitcoin, will crash due to a well placed virus that affects the algorithm. . …"
-LaMont Hamilton

I had a personal reading myself with a renowned psychic in march/april and was told:
-someone would steal all my money Did someone steal all your money? If not, when did they say this would happen? Next week? 15 years from now? Before you die?
-exchanges would start stealing customer money (I described what happened with gox and was told other exchanges were going to start doing the same thing) So you planted a seed, they psychic read your worry and responded with this answer?
-whatever happened in December was going to happen again, and cause a crash When was the reading, before December? I'm confused.
-There would be a recovery into the 500s. In December it was already above 500? More confusion.
-There would be a little bit of action this year, but nothing extravagant. No huge rallies. Probably just 500s.  Like 597? So the psychic said (in December?) that it wouldn't go to the 600s?
-Afterwards, prices would steadily decline again into an even further crash  
-Something would happen in Japan What?!  Something?! Isn't that a little general? Seriously, isn't something always going to happen in Japan at some point in the future?
-The costs of using Bitcoin would rise (due to regulation) Your psychic, who knows nothing about Bitcoin, told you this? that sounds amazing if true and completely out of context.
-I was not going to continue to exponentially increase my money into millions and I was more likely to lose it all instead.  Really? I thought they said someone was going to steal it all.

So what's up with these psychics. Why are they so bearish? ANSWER!!!!! ---> Because you are BEARISH. And psychics (even the best of them) read YOUR ENERGY.

Disclaimer: I am currently long since my stop was blown out at $460 and I moved all of my coins into cold storage. I don't plan on changing this at the moment.


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: illyiller on May 30, 2014, 08:27:12 AM
I never hear psychics' opinions about anything. Where do you come across this?


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: MatTheCat on May 30, 2014, 11:26:54 AM
Derren Brown Generalised Flim Flam <Snipped>

Ah! the good old art of creating a facetiously insightful transcript of a personality, in a way that can broadly apply to anyone, especially if they are eager enough to believe in the 'psychic's ability!

Well that disproves all that psychic mumbo jumbo nonsense then!

Back to reality guys!



NB* The transcript doesn't apply to me at all, at least not the first two paragraphs which I read b4 I got bored. Probably in his effort to be smart, Derren Brown reveals much more about himself than the average human being. After all, where does he get his template for the 'average human being' from?


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: Ibian on May 30, 2014, 11:35:59 AM
You realize you will be known as the shroom guy who talks to trees from here on out?


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: MatTheCat on May 30, 2014, 12:07:17 PM
You realize you will be known as the shroom guy who talks to trees from here on out?

Don't give a phlying phuck!

You may think that you are in position of intellectual and rational superiority to me, but the reality is:


My capacity for awareness of life = |                                       |

Your capacity of awareness of life =|       |


Your mind is still locked into a rigid and dying paradigm that has been going out of fashion since 1959. My mind is is well on it's progression towards the New Age.


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: TERA on May 30, 2014, 12:14:41 PM
I believe in the strong possibility of paranormal phenomenon. The very fact that I am conscious and that there is consciusness is evidence of it to me. However, this does not mean that I believe in the credibility or the skill of self-proclaimed psychics or believe the predictions of any of the people who I have mentioned in this thread.


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: Cluster2k on May 30, 2014, 12:35:56 PM
Psychics are great at predicting the future.

Psychics regularly win lotteries around the world.  In fact, they're so good they're banned from playing due to unfair competition for mere mortals.

Psychics are also forbidden from entering any casino as they know if the next card will be an ace, or when the ball will land on black.

 ::)


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: romneymoney on May 30, 2014, 04:42:36 PM
You realize you will be known as the shroom guy who talks to trees from here on out?
He's the guy who admitted it, to me that makes him more trustworthy.  As long as you don't go totally insane, or have something bad occur while you are tripping, both real possibilities, psychedelics are usually mind expanding.  I'm glad I took a handful of trips back in the 90's.  Never touching that stuff again though.


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: MatTheCat on May 30, 2014, 05:00:32 PM
You realize you will be known as the shroom guy who talks to trees from here on out?
He's the guy who admitted it, to me that makes him more trustworthy.  As long as you don't go totally insane, or have something bad occur while you are tripping, both real possibilities, psychedelics are usually mind expanding.  I'm glad I took a handful of trips back in the 90's.  Never touching that stuff again though.

You do realise that I am fully aware that trees can't talk English, German, Japanense, or any other kind of obscure treepixie language?

When the mind is hit with a phenomena that it doesn't understand, the first thing it does is puts arms and legs on it to transform it into a form which it can readily recognise and deal with. The 'talking' tree was my mind's very first attempt at transcribing the fact that I was aware that this tree was filtering an energy, the exact same energy for which the organism that I refer to as 'my body' is also a filter.

When it comes down it, our whole awareness and experience of the universe consists of our mind transcribing and interpreting sensory information into a form which we can relate to and understand. This occurs on a multi-layered and multi-faceted level, is fractal in nature and is expanding and contracting in various areas or dimensions of reality all the time (at least on an evolutionary time frame).

 


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: Ibian on May 30, 2014, 05:06:30 PM
Sure sure, energy, cells, I get it duder. Incidentally, which language was the tree speaking in?


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: MatTheCat on May 30, 2014, 05:12:01 PM
Sure sure, energy, cells, I get it duder. Incidentally, which language was the tree speaking in?

English.

With an Olde Worlde rural West Country accent.

If you must know.



Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: fonzie on May 30, 2014, 05:32:44 PM
Sure sure, energy, cells, I get it duder. Incidentally, which language was the tree speaking in?

English.

With an Olde Worlde rural West Country accent.

If you must know.



Mat , is there a small or huge difference between fly agaric mushrooms and average magic mushrooms, meskalin, LSD.
I tried almost everything, but never considered fly agaric as very interesting. I am also aware of your described paranormal phenomenons.
Do i need to try them? Have you ever tried to trade on psychedelics, you will get a horrible performance only trading on dissociativa is worse.
Amphetamin and Opiate however increase my day trading skills massive.
In all of my high dose psychedelic, ketamin whatever dreams, i see nothing else but a horrible crash for Bitcoin even if the trip is generally of a positive nature.


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: Gingermod on May 30, 2014, 05:35:39 PM
I believe in the strong possibility of paranormal phenomenon. The very fact that I am conscious and that there is consciusness is evidence of it to me. However, this does not mean that I believe in the credibility or the skill of self-proclaimed psychics or believe the predictions of any of the people who I have mentioned in this thread.

You can't just make shit up like that.

You're embarrassing yourself.


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: protokol on May 30, 2014, 06:40:37 PM
You realize you will be known as the shroom guy who talks to trees from here on out?
He's the guy who admitted it, to me that makes him more trustworthy.  As long as you don't go totally insane, or have something bad occur while you are tripping, both real possibilities, psychedelics are usually mind expanding.  I'm glad I took a handful of trips back in the 90's.  Never touching that stuff again though.

You do realise that I am fully aware that trees can't talk English, German, Japanense, or any other kind of obscure treepixie language?

When the mind is hit with a phenomena that it doesn't understand, the first thing it does is puts arms and legs on it to transform it into a form which it can readily recognise and deal with. The 'talking' tree was my mind's very first attempt at transcribing the fact that I was aware that this tree was filtering an energy, the exact same energy for which the organism that I refer to as 'my body' is also a filter.

When it comes down it, our whole awareness and experience of the universe consists of our mind transcribing and interpreting sensory information into a form which we can relate to and understand. This occurs on a multi-layered and multi-faceted level, is fractal in nature and is expanding and contracting in various areas or dimensions of reality all the time (at least on an evolutionary time frame).

 

It's not very productive to interpret anything experienced on psychedelics as paranormal. Fun, yes. Interesting, yes. Proof/evidence of supernatural forces? No.

I'm no stranger to psychedelics and other mind altering drugs, and have experienced some very weird phenomena including anthropomorphism of inanimate objects, telepathy, synaesthesia and even full-blown ego-death. However, when I return to baseline, I can see these experiences for what they almost certainly are - hallucinogenic illusions.

I think I've experienced a similar thing to what you're describing, while under the influence of 4-HO-MET and ketamine - I was lying in a field and it seemed as though "nature itself" was trying to communicate, and I felt the energy that you describe, the feeling that everything was inexplicably linked in the same "web of consciousness". I think this can be attributed to the brain innately wanting to make sense of the world, and subconsciously applying "cause and effect" to everything it sees/hears/feels. Also the brain losing its sense of "individuality/ego" and manifesting the different facets of the personality as different beings entirely.

I used to believe in a lot of supernatural phenomena, but over the years I've appreciated the lack of evidence and changed my views accordingly. I therefore think of myself as quite open-minded. If I were to see any evidence of supernatural phenomena when sober, I'd change my outlook straight away, but using psychedelic experiences as proof of anything? Nah.

PS I also think I've felt the same "energy beings" when I first broke through with DMT, it felt like I was in a crystal realm with benevolent entities watching over me, almost pleading with me to stay. I felt like an "avatar" of myself made of pure energy, a bit like the robot in the animatrix film "Matriculated":

http://www.virtualworldlets.net/Worlds/Listings/Animatrix/Matriculated10.jpg

I wish I could go back. But until I see any proof of this while in my normal state of consciousness, I'm gonna assume that it was a hallucination brought on by the DMT, and a result of my brain manifesting facets of my mind, as described above. Still absolutely amazing though, I was in tears of joy when I came back to reality. I don't pretend to understand this shit, but it's totally illogical to think of it as proof of anything paranormal.


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: Wandererfromthenorth on May 30, 2014, 06:57:36 PM
Yeah I have never felt that psychedelics could connect me to any kind of paranormal/ spiritual reality, they felt more like a very clever and insightful manipulation of brain chemistry.
They kinda reinforced my ontological materialism.

I've also had the classic "telepathy" experience on LSD when you feel like the boundaries between your Self and the Self of others are completely dissolving, and you have the very strong impression that the person in front of you knows exactly what you are thinking, followed by what feel like validations and proof that you and the other in front of you are indeed communicating telepathically.

While the subjective sense of realness of the experience is undeniable, afterwards I've always found myself convinced of the fact that it was only a powerful display of the ability of our brains to create mind bending illusions (although very interesting and resourceful).

I've always tried to enter the experiences with an open mind though, I swear  ;D


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: protokol on May 30, 2014, 07:01:42 PM
Sure sure, energy, cells, I get it duder. Incidentally, which language was the tree speaking in?

English.

With an Olde Worlde rural West Country accent.

If you must know.



Mat , is there a small or huge difference between fly agaric mushrooms and average magic mushrooms, meskalin, LSD.
I tried almost everything, but never considered fly agaric as very interesting. I am also aware of your described paranormal phenomenons.
Do i need to try them? Have you ever tried to trade on psychedelics, you will get a horrible performance only trading on dissociativa is worse.
Amphetamin and Opiate however increase my day trading skills massive.
In all of my high dose psychedelic, ketamin whatever dreams, i see nothing else but a horrible crash for Bitcoin even if the trip is generally of a positive nature.

Hah I'm imagining a really bad trip where I'm trying to follow a stubby little green monolith through a forest of huge red glowing ones. Also, the forest has bears, and I ask a weird Japanese guy where the train station is. He doesn't speak English.


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: Cassius on May 30, 2014, 09:24:28 PM
This is a much better thread than all those trains and rockets. Shame about the idiots though.
Tera: I'm confused. You say you believe in the psychics' abilities, but your position is still long. You've made a decision to go against their opinion. How does that square?
On the unconscious mind, I'm not into drugs but I did use to work as a therapist. The stuff people's minds are capable of doing in the interests of emotional self-preservation (which for most of us means day-to-day life) is just incredible. Some of it is literally unbelievable. Most people don't know a fraction of it, and that's kind of the point. Parts of your mind protect you from yourself, and they can be remarkably creative in the process.
On or off drugs, the mind is pretty awesome and it's a lot like an iceberg, so whether you're talking about drugs or psychics or therapy or whatever, it's not smart to assume you know the reason you think even half of what you do.


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: YipYip on May 30, 2014, 10:10:50 PM
Ive finally got the connection ...all bears love psychic's

Its science biatch ...lolz


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: derpinheimer on May 30, 2014, 10:16:09 PM
shit, i noticed the word was psychics.. didn't know we're crazy enough to talk about what psychics think about bitcoin.

IKR? De'ze people nthn but thieves.


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: the_sunship on May 30, 2014, 10:19:07 PM
I thought psychics read the energy of the person. They can "read " the persons future by  sensing the energy the person is giving out. We are generally not aware of the kind of vibes we are giving out. Some people are very sensitive to this. That doesn't mean they can predict the numbers at a casino, but they may be able to sense if someone has a poverty based mentality.

Anyway, bitcoin could do extremely well but an investor could still lose all their money. The poor people keeping funds on mt gox are an example. Lord knows what other scams are coming....


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: blatchcorn on May 30, 2014, 10:20:20 PM
Sure sure, energy, cells, I get it duder. Incidentally, which language was the tree speaking in?

English.

With an Olde Worlde rural West Country accent.

If you must know.



Mat , is there a small or huge difference between fly agaric mushrooms and average magic mushrooms, meskalin, LSD.
I tried almost everything, but never considered fly agaric as very interesting. I am also aware of your described paranormal phenomenons.
Do i need to try them? Have you ever tried to trade on psychedelics, you will get a horrible performance only trading on dissociativa is worse.
Amphetamin and Opiate however increase my day trading skills massive.
In all of my high dose psychedelic, ketamin whatever dreams, i see nothing else but a horrible crash for Bitcoin even if the trip is generally of a positive nature.
Hahaha
Keep up the good effort Fonzie. Must be hard spreading FUD these days.


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: Miz4r on May 30, 2014, 10:49:22 PM
I believe in the strong possibility of paranormal phenomenon. The very fact that I am conscious and that there is consciusness is evidence of it to me. However, this does not mean that I believe in the credibility or the skill of self-proclaimed psychics or believe the predictions of any of the people who I have mentioned in this thread.

You can't just make shit up like that.

You're embarrassing yourself.

I'm on the side of Tera and MatTheCat on this one, paranormal phenomenon are real and science has it all backwards. Physical reality and consciousness are interconnected and can not exist without one another, the physical world did not create consciousness as is the commonly accepted thought among scientists. They believe in an objective physical reality outside ourselves that created our conscious minds through an evolutionary process. And somehow magically we end up right here in this time period being alive and conscious... I think it's the other way around: consciousness created the physical reality around us or perhaps better stated they are two sides of the exact same coin. Look at quantum physics and how it incorporates consciousness (the observer effect) into its formulas and the weird and seemingly 'impossible' phenomenon it produces. But for some reason they don't call that paranormal even though it defies all logic and our normal understanding of things. Trying to rationalize everything and putting it within your own materialistic egocentric oriented frame of mind might work for you, but in the end you just can't ignore that reality is much bigger than what our 5 senses limits us to see. I have seen and experienced things that I know I can´t explain using regular logic or what is generally accepted as reality. There are so many things people are completely in the dark about, it's just sad really because you´re locking yourself up inside a self-made prison.

Oh well rant over, most will probably think I'm crazy but some of you will know deep down there's something to this.


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: u9y42 on May 30, 2014, 11:09:57 PM
I'm on the side of Tera and MatTheCat on this one, paranormal phenomenon are real and science has it all backwards. Physical reality and consciousness are interconnected and can not exist without one another, the physical world did not create consciousness as is the commonly accepted thought among scientists. They believe in an objective physical reality outside ourselves that created our conscious minds through an evolutionary process. And somehow magically we end up right here in this time period being alive and conscious... I think it's the other way around: consciousness created the physical reality around us or perhaps better stated they are two sides of the exact same coin. Look at quantum physics and how it incorporates consciousness (the observer effect) into its formulas and the weird and seemingly 'impossible' phenomenon it produces. But for some reason they don't call that paranormal even though it defies all logic and our normal understanding of things. Trying to rationalize everything and putting it within your own materialistic egocentric oriented frame of mind might work for you, but in the end you just can't ignore that reality is much bigger than what our 5 senses limits us to see. I have seen and experienced things that I know I can´t explain using regular logic or what is generally accepted as reality. There are so many things people are completely in the dark about, it's just sad really because you´re locking yourself up inside a self-made prison.

Oh well rant over, most will probably think I'm crazy but some of you will know deep down there's something to this.

I'd be lying if I said I wouldn't like paranormal phenomenon as described in this thread to be real. That said, I guess I'm one of those that believes that consciousness follows from the physical reality we're in.

As such, I see a few problems with your post. What do you mean by we "magically end up right here in this time period being alive and conscious"? I think you have that backwards; if the physical conditions weren't here for us or any other form of life to exist, we simply wouldn't exist. If the conditions were slightly different, life would have adapted, and we wouldn't be here, but rather a more appropriate form of life. Other than that, there is nothing special about this particular moment in time or space.

Also, quantum physics doesn't incorporate consciousness, you don't need a conscious observer; the action of observing in this context is analogous to "interacts with". So, a brick wall will do just as well as a human, as far as the observer effect is concerned. And the phenomena it deals with is indeed strange, but you have to understand that is natural, considering it's not something we've ever had to deal with during our 4 billion year evolution. But that doesn't automatically turn it into magic; it's just something we can not apply "common sense" to, as nothing ever trained us to deal with it.


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: serenitys on May 31, 2014, 07:58:44 AM
Bitcoin has gone up almost 100 fold in only a year, and it's still worth about 50 times as much as it was at the beginning of last year. This would make anyone intuitively scared for a huge crash I think, especially if they don't really understand Bitcoin and look at it from a distance. I doubt these psychics understand anything about the technology, and as they rely mostly on their heightened intuitive sense they are likely to 'feel' it's going to crash due to some hack/virus/whatever. By the way I actually believe in psychic abilities, but there are more scammers in that field than there are in the Bitcoin world. :P Also I have rarely heard a psychic make a public prediction that came true, unless it was a generic prediction that was likely to come true anyway. An honest and real psychic would probably not make public predictions or would be more humble about his own abilities. They can feel or pick up on certain things, but there is always noise and information being lost during the interpretation and translation into words of those things they pick up.

Psychics and technology don't belong in the same sentence. Psychics are woo. Technology is real.

The reason psychics get it wrong is because they're full of shit. They're still full of shit when they get it right.

Take away lesson: psychics are full of shit.

With one caveat: psychic tells you someone will steal your money. You pay psychic money to tell you that. Psychic still full of shit. You're a tard.  :D


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: TERA on May 31, 2014, 08:05:31 AM
Psychics and technology don't belong in the same sentence.
I don't think so. I would be interested in building technology that enhances psychic abilities. For example Cerebro in Xmen.


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: raskul on May 31, 2014, 08:06:27 AM
Psychics and technology don't belong in the same sentence.
I don't think so. I would be interested in building technology that enhances psychic abilities. For example Cerebro in Xmen.

i'll set up a node once you have compiled it  ;D


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: Ibian on May 31, 2014, 08:08:06 AM
Psychics and technology don't belong in the same sentence.
I don't think so. I would be interested in building technology that enhances psychic abilities. For example Cerebro in Xmen.
Oh oh, and wands. To make bigger fireballs. They count as technology right?


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: serenitys on May 31, 2014, 08:18:12 AM
Psychics and technology don't belong in the same sentence.
I don't think so. I would be interested in building technology that enhances psychic abilities. For example Cerebro in Xmen.

i'll set up a node once you have compiled it  ;D


Well yeah...there's that  ;D


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: TERA on May 31, 2014, 08:20:09 AM
Tera: I'm confused. You say you believe in the psychics' abilities, but your position is still long. You've made a decision to go against their opinion. How does that square?
I don't believe in the credibility and accuracy of individual self proclaimed professional psychics to actually harness psychic abilities and be powerful enough to make accurate predictions. I for one have been practicing psionics for 15 years and my abilities are still shit, so it is hard for me to trust anyone else. I also don't believe that the future is neccessarily set in stone. In addition, I believe that psychics could have their energies and predictions interfered with by other forces and other psychics. For example, if there are bulls who want to accumulate as many bitcoins as possible and they are also powerful psions, they could be engaging in psychic combat with the mainstream psychics by projecting out bad energies and visions of crashes.

tl;dr I stick to my guns and use technical analysis for my trading.


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: YipYip on May 31, 2014, 10:02:10 AM
Tera: I'm confused. You say you believe in the psychics' abilities, but your position is still long. You've made a decision to go against their opinion. How does that square?
I don't believe in the credibility and accuracy of individual self proclaimed professional psychics to actually harness psychic abilities and be powerful enough to make accurate predictions. I for one have been practicing psionics for 15 years and my abilities are still shit, so it is hard for me to trust anyone else. I also don't believe that the future is neccessarily set in stone. In addition, I believe that psychics could have their energies and predictions interfered with by other forces and other psychics. For example, if there are bulls who want to accumulate as many bitcoins as possible and they are also powerful psions, they could be engaging in psychic combat with the mainstream psychics by projecting out bad energies and visions of crashes.

tl;dr I stick to my guns and use technical analysis for my trading.

Are you for real ??

var ans = (TERA RESPONSE);

If (ans)
{

   Console.WriteLne("I am Sorry For your loss of Sanity);
   this.Move(Slowly.BacksOutOfTheRoom);

}
else
    Console.Writeln("Lolz you had me going there ");




Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: TERA on May 31, 2014, 11:09:39 AM
Code:
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Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: raskul on May 31, 2014, 11:12:31 AM
hahahaha, quality.  :D


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: cr1776 on May 31, 2014, 11:25:00 AM
Because there are no such things as "psychics", just frauds?

Everywhere I hear a psychic give a prediction on bitcoin, it seems to be unanimously bearish and apocalyptic.

"52 Bitcoin OK just think the crash of 1929, and the South Sea Bubble. Multiply those two events by ten then you'll be close to what is going to happen to this ponzi scheme."
-Christian Dion "the seer"

"Prediction #14: The alternative digital currency, Bitcoin, will crash due to a well placed virus that affects the algorithm. . …"
-LaMont Hamilton

I had a personal reading myself with a renowned psychic in march/april and was told:
-someone would steal all my money
-exchanges would start stealing customer money (I described what happened with gox and was told other exchanges were going to start doing the same thing)
-whatever happened in December was going to happen again, and cause a crash
-There would be a recovery into the 500s.
-There would be a little bit of action this year, but nothing extravagant. No huge rallies. Probably just 500s.
-Afterwards, prices would steadily decline again into an even further crash
-Something would happen in Japan
-The costs of using Bitcoin would rise (due to regulation)
-I was not going to continue to exponentially increase my money into millions and I was more likely to lose it all instead.

So what's up with these psychics. Why are they so bearish?

Disclaimer: I am currently long since my stop was blown out at $460 and I moved all of my coins into cold storage. I don't plan on changing this at the moment.


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: zimmah on May 31, 2014, 11:27:16 AM
Tera: I'm confused. You say you believe in the psychics' abilities, but your position is still long. You've made a decision to go against their opinion. How does that square?
I don't believe in the credibility and accuracy of individual self proclaimed professional psychics to actually harness psychic abilities and be powerful enough to make accurate predictions. I for one have been practicing psionics for 15 years and my abilities are still shit, so it is hard for me to trust anyone else. I also don't believe that the future is neccessarily set in stone. In addition, I believe that psychics could have their energies and predictions interfered with by other forces and other psychics. For example, if there are bulls who want to accumulate as many bitcoins as possible and they are also powerful psions, they could be engaging in psychic combat with the mainstream psychics by projecting out bad energies and visions of crashes.

tl;dr I stick to my guns and use technical analysis for my trading.

Are you for real ??

var ans = (TERA RESPONSE);

If (ans)
{

   Console.WriteLne("I am Sorry For your loss of Sanity);
   this.Move(Slowly.BacksOutOfTheRoom);

}
else
    Console.Writeln("Lolz you had me going there ");




That's a great answer either way. I should formulate all my answers like this to avoid making a fool of myself. You can never go wrong with conditional answers.

Anyway, I wouldn't trust psychics too much, most of them are frauds, and the ones that really have a connection with the spirit world can not really see into the future reliably either. Spirits can do a lot, but accurately predicting the future is not within their realm of possibilities. Also, spirits hate humans in general (at least the ones that actively seek contact). Benevolent spirits don't directly seek contact (they do outnumber the bad ones though).


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: MatTheCat on May 31, 2014, 01:08:17 PM
I wish I could go back. But until I see any proof of this while in my normal state of consciousness, I'm gonna assume that it was a hallucination brought on by the DMT, and a result of my brain manifesting facets of my mind, as described above. Still absolutely amazing though, I was in tears of joy when I came back to reality. I don't pretend to understand this shit, but it's totally illogical to think of it as proof of anything paranormal.

You are viewing these experiences the wrong way. You are trying to understand them through the lens of the day to day objectivity of the rational physical world, as your mind interprets it be. The only time the humans brain chemistry is flooded with DMT is said to be flooded with DMT, is upon the point of death. At this point, perhaps 'DMT land' becomes your reality? Think you only have a split second to enjoy the trip before 'nothingness'? Ever had the sensation whilst on hallucinogenics of time being elastic? 5 minutes seeming like 5 hours perhaps? Could a split second therefore theoretically seem like all of eternity? After all, time as we experience it is an illusion of the mind, albeit a persistent one (I think Einstein said that). If that intense split second DMT trip, were to be all you ever knew for the whole of eternity, if it were to be your infinite reality, would it really matter that some 20th century scientist proclaimed it to be simple 'illusion' triggered by a massive release of DMT out your pineal gland? At the end of the day, our objective reality is only how it is due to a combination of brain-structure and the bio-chemical balance of reactions within it. All very 'fluid' or impermanent stuff when you think about it.

Also DMT is a very different kind of trip to things like mushrooms. It is extremely intense, and entirely inwards. I have never experienced entities as such. But from the accounts I have heard from friends who have, their 'elves' certainly seemed to reflect archetypal issues within their own psychology:

My mate 'Bob' who has paranoia issues thinking everyone is trying to take the piss out of him (cos he is a bit slow: His elves were laughing at him behind his back.
My mate 'Jim', grumpy bastard, who can have difficulty in having time or enthusiasm for anything outwith his own little secluded world of distractions and indulgences: His elves told him to 'fuck off, go stand over there, we are busy just now'
My mate 'Heinz', who is a bit hyper and excitable: His elf was leaping around trying to show him things but without focusing on one thing for longer than 2 seconds.

Of course, that isn't to say that there isn't something more tangible and 'independent' to these elf or alien DMT entities that exist on a very different plane of reality from what we do, and the only time we can experience them is when our brain chemistry is flooded with this molecule, but due to lacking any kind of pretext by which we can understand them, our subconscious mind projects images of itself onto them, and they 'show us around', 'laugh at us', or perhaps even 'show us the one true light', etc?

The maddest thing that happened to me on DMT was that I believed that I was actually Alien myself. That part of my consciousness was Alien. Sounds mad now but at the time it seemed crystal clear and very real. A voice then triggered in my head "Hoi, you are not supposed to know that!", Before I was shot through a library of forbidden knowledge at 1000mph, too fast for my mind to make anything much of any of it. In the end the only conclusion that I could come to as I failed time and time again to get a grip on these wild revelations being flashed in front of my eyes, none of which I can even remember, was; "Does it really matter!?"


I've also had the classic "telepathy" experience on LSD

I have had telepathy experiences whilst tripping with friends, many many many times. Perhaps not quite feeling as though boundaries are dissolving, but certainly knowing what the other was thinking and what conversation was about to come up, and then the topic of conversation did come up. Many times. Infact, I can often do it without tripping. Nobody needs hallucinogenics to be able to tap into energy fields being emitting from some person or people within a room. We are doing this all the time and subconsciously processing the information that we receive. Mushrooms and such simply helps our rational minds notice or be more aware of these processes. Granted, something else that mushrooms, and especially LSD does, is sends our rational minds on delusional roller-coasters. We can get ourselves stuck in mad off the track paradigms which once upon a time, formed part of the fun of tripping but I jsut kind of find this side of it to be annoying these days.


Mat , is there a small or huge difference between fly agaric mushrooms and average magic mushrooms, meskalin, LSD.
I tried almost everything, but never considered fly agaric as very interesting. I am also aware of your described paranormal phenomenons.
Do i need to try them? Have you ever tried to trade on psychedelics, you will get a horrible performance only trading on dissociativa is worse.
Amphetamin and Opiate however increase my day trading skills massive.
In all of my high dose psychedelic, ketamin whatever dreams, i see nothing else but a horrible crash for Bitcoin even if the trip is generally of a positive nature.

A big difference. One of the biggest being that Fly Agaric is a bazillion times more toxic to the human body than pscilocybin mushrooms. Whenever I have taken 'enough', I have puked them right back out. The experience I described above, was from a time in my early 20's, when I nibbled on some Fly Agaric caps, to the point where I was so nauseous, that I knew I could take another nibble without puking. I got through 1.5 caps. Not enough! But I did nontheless get a mild kind of buzz from it. The Laplanders I believe, feed them to reindeer and then drink the reindeers piss in order to get the actual hallucinogenic compounds in a form that hasn't got other things that are gonna make them puke. Phuck that!

I dunno about Ampetamine, but I certainly find that my judgement is badly affected by caffeine (everything is positive, everything must be done at 10 times the speed), and worse still is alcohol where due diligence goes right out the window in favour of due negligence; "Hmm, BURP, maybe sgbett was right?, HICCUP, maybe Bitcoin at $820 is a steal!?"

I haven't actually done any hallucinogens (except DMT) since I started trading Bitcoin (only since Nov 2013). I imagine that a mushroom trip might give me a good few insights about it since I spend so much of my time and energy with my head stuck in Bitcoin charts.


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: TERA on May 31, 2014, 01:22:16 PM
I guess in this community practicing psi removes credibility but using drugs adds credibility.


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: romneymoney on May 31, 2014, 01:32:58 PM
All I was saying is that posting something that is sure to bring ridicule shows a level of openness/honesty.


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: edwardspitz on May 31, 2014, 02:29:49 PM
Personally I don't believe in anything paranormal. Ok, maybe a god (he doen't have a name), but that is it. Many years ago I worked in a Café and we had customer that had setup his horoscope business at one of our tables outside the café. When my manager told me to go outside and tell him to leave I got talking to him. I asked him directly if he really believed any of that nonsense, and he just replied that "I believe in the possibility". I thought that answer was pretty interesting, and it got me thinking about what he meant by that. I believe that what he meant was that it isn't really that important if horoscopes are valid/real or not. The only thing that matters is the how his "story" or prediction is perceived by the listener. We humans are very imaginative, and it is easy for us to apply an abstract story to a problem/question. I'm sure everyone has tried this with dreams also. Using creativity as part of a strategy to solve a problem that normally requires analytical skills can be a good idea in my experience.


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: Ibian on May 31, 2014, 03:30:45 PM
Of course, a god (or gods) is infinitely less probable than the existence of things like telekinesis or telepathy. If nothing else because a god would likely be capable of such things.


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: protokol on May 31, 2014, 06:19:12 PM
I wish I could go back. But until I see any proof of this while in my normal state of consciousness, I'm gonna assume that it was a hallucination brought on by the DMT, and a result of my brain manifesting facets of my mind, as described above. Still absolutely amazing though, I was in tears of joy when I came back to reality. I don't pretend to understand this shit, but it's totally illogical to think of it as proof of anything paranormal.

You are viewing these experiences the wrong way. You are trying to understand them through the lens of the day to day objectivity of the rational physical world, as your mind interprets it be. The only time the humans brain chemistry is flooded with DMT is said to be flooded with DMT, is upon the point of death. At this point, perhaps 'DMT land' becomes your reality? Think you only have a split second to enjoy the trip before 'nothingness'? Ever had the sensation whilst on hallucinogenics of time being elastic? 5 minutes seeming like 5 hours perhaps? Could a split second therefore theoretically seem like all of eternity? After all, time as we experience it is an illusion of the mind, albeit a persistent one (I think Einstein said that). If that intense split second DMT trip, were to be all you ever knew for the whole of eternity, if it were to be your infinite reality, would it really matter that some 20th century scientist proclaimed it to be simple 'illusion' triggered by a massive release of DMT out your pineal gland? At the end of the day, our objective reality is only how it is due to a combination of brain-structure and the bio-chemical balance of reactions within it. All very 'fluid' or impermanent stuff when you think about it.

I do get what you're saying about time dilation (yeah experienced that shit many a time  ;D), and the idea that that final second could be some sort of eternal state of being, but I think believing in it without any form of evidence whatsoever is illogical and counterproductive.

Regarding the idea of DMT being released from the pineal gland, it's a myth. It's possible, but no scientific evidence exists (there is only evidence of trace amounts of endogenous DMT existing in the human body). I believed this myth until about 6 months ago, it seems to originate from the author of "The Spirit Molecule" who speculated about it in the book. here's some links:

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/dmt/dmt_article2.shtml (http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/dmt/dmt_article2.shtml)

https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=18834 (https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=18834)

The problem I have with these sort of beliefs, is that once you start saying things like "I know for a fact that psychedelics open up my consciousness to other dimensions/forces", there's literally no end to what you can claim. You basically enter the realm of invisible dragons and intergalactic teapots, where you can say anything you want and ridicule people who don't believe you.

I'm not saying that your beliefs are definitely wrong (they could be true), but I think it is wrong (and quite arrogant) for you to say with certainty that you're right and I'm wrong, because you subjectively experienced an altered state of consciousness, leading you to your conclusions.

I know a few people with have similar ideas to you (after using psychedelics, DMT in particular), and have really got into the whole "new age" thing. Me personally, when I discovered the wonders of psychedelics I started to really get into organic chemistry, drug pharmacology, that kind of thing. Of course I contemplate all that new age stuff, and love talking about it, but I think to understand the world around us it helps to stand on the shoulders of the great scientists that laid the foundations for the modern world that we live in. So instead of believing that drugs open up metaphysical dimensions/energies, let's see if there's a more plausible explanation first (i.e. brain receptors malfunctioning due to oddly shaped molecules getting stuck deep into those synapses).

An analogy would be if you said "Trees and plants grow by making sugars deep in their cells, in a chemical reaction involving the Sun's energy"

And I said "No you're wrong, trees vibrate at a very specific frequency that enables them to access an energy field invisible to us humans. This field is powered by the ghost of Princess Diana by pedaling a subatomic exercise bike in the 5th dimension. And I'm definitely right, because I saw it with my own eyes while on shrooms the other day! If you don't believe me then you're stupid and close-minded!"

Extreme example, but you see the problem with that way of thinking?


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: Arghhh on May 31, 2014, 06:24:26 PM
TERA's psychic abilities demonstrated:


My new view of the market:

http://i.imgur.com/K8TZW8T.png

I wouldn't be suprised to see flat for an entire year.

Need I say more?


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: nostdal.org on May 31, 2014, 06:32:09 PM

dafuk? why are you spending your money on these scammers, OP?


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: aminorex on June 02, 2014, 07:07:43 PM
Intelligent people generally do not believe in things that can not be reliably reproduced in a lab.

Trivially false.


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: aminorex on June 02, 2014, 07:09:08 PM
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Thanks.  That will be very useful.


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: aminorex on June 02, 2014, 07:10:29 PM
Psychics are great at predicting the future.

Psychics regularly win lotteries around the world.  In fact, they're so good they're banned from playing due to unfair competition for mere mortals.

Psychics are also forbidden from entering any casino as they know if the next card will be an ace, or when the ball will land on black.

 ::)

I think you misspelled "statisticians".


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: aminorex on June 02, 2014, 07:13:12 PM
Searching for electric monkey on the web, having just read this thread, I thought this might amuse some (and aggravate others, who deserve it):

White Rhythmic Wizard, Kin 214: Sunday 1 June – After yesterdays expansion today we find balance through stillness, anchoring into a deep receptive and timeless space… The wizard is the energy of shamanic presence and today is a day where we can become deeply still, with meditation in the body bringing balance to our expansion… Deeply grounded and receptively open to resources coming… A divine feminine way of receiving all that flows our way, ‘Being’ a portal of reception…

Blue Resonant Eagle, Kin 215: Monday 2 June – Inspiration flies into our lives as we attune to the flow of accomplishing all we have seen in our visions… Here our creative mind sees what must be done and moves forward, flowing towards that visual outcome, inspired and tuned in…

Yelow[sic] Galactic Warrior, Kin 216: Tuesday 3 June – Today the enlightened mind questions any resistance to the flow, as  now the energy is building beyond any limitation… This solar intelligence questions beyond any confining conditioning , as in-tuition supports its quest for the most fluid route to integrating brilliance into this life…


Title: Re: Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?
Post by: Undone on June 02, 2014, 08:21:00 PM
My psychic is not a trader and knew nothing at all about bitcoin before the reading.  ( I don't know about those other psychics I posted about though)
TERA, your posts of late have been epic slow trolls.

It's like guerrilla Proudhon tactics. Well done.