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Title: Trading BTC for goods and trust/security Post by: boozer on February 14, 2012, 03:43:36 AM I am new on this forum and I would like to buy what another new member on this forum, Oracle24, is selling. However, it is a $6,000 deal we are talking about and neither of us really trust each other, which is smart I guess, we both want to be protected.
edit: Ebay feedback links removed as it doesnt really matter, lol. He wants me to Send BTC, or use paypal and send as a gift... I will be using my business credit card to fund this purchase. I dont have pictures yet, but he said he would get them to me this week. He is scared of paypal and charges backs, and I'm scared of sending as a gift, or just straight BTC. How do you guys handle trades like this? Title: Re: Trading BTC for goods and trust/security Post by: juggalodarkclow on February 14, 2012, 04:43:34 AM Escrow
Title: Re: Trading BTC for goods and trust/security Post by: red123 on February 14, 2012, 04:48:43 AM Yep. Bring in a third party. Even if you have to pay them. 6k is a bit too much to lose for me anyways.
The hardest part would be agreeing on the said third party, especially if it's not professional. Title: Re: Trading BTC for goods and trust/security Post by: stochastic on February 14, 2012, 04:51:27 AM Just using Ebay ratings is crazy. How do you know if the person you are talking to did not steal that Ebay account. I remember reading a few years ago how easy it was to fake Ebay ratings.
You should ask if the seller is on bitcoin OTC. Are they on the web of trust (http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratings.php)? If not find an escrow service or don't do such a big deal with him all at once; build a relationship. Title: Re: Trading BTC for goods and trust/security Post by: CA Coins on February 14, 2012, 05:06:39 AM Yeah, use a trusted escrow or just don't do such a large sum to start off. The forum is essentially anonymous and plenty of scams have happened. Disputes are hard to resolve. If you're a company, I might consider paypal if the seller would trust you as a company, but make sure you exchange real-world credentials.
Title: Re: Trading BTC for goods and trust/security Post by: boozer on February 14, 2012, 03:26:49 PM Thanks for the assistance. Any trusted escrow services you guys recommend?
Title: Re: Trading BTC for goods and trust/security Post by: boozer on February 14, 2012, 08:42:32 PM Ebay recommends https://escrow.com/index.asp
Anyone used that before? Any others I should look at? Title: Re: Trading BTC for goods and trust/security Post by: fabrizziop on February 15, 2012, 11:54:50 AM KLASSIC9955=SCAMMER
It's Quartz92, the same ebay ID. He already scammed me. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=56553 Title: Re: Trading BTC for goods and trust/security Post by: boozer on February 15, 2012, 07:12:50 PM Oracle24 and quartz92 are the same person and both have now been marked as scammers.
quartz92 was marked as a scammer but still wanted to sell me some hardware... I asked why he was marked as a scammer and never heard back... however, a couple minutes later, I got a PM from Oracle24 offering to sell the same hardware. After days of emailing back and forth and him wanting to send him straight BTC or paypal gift, I got enough information to link Oracle24 and quartz92. Know information on this person: Known forum usernames: Oracle24 and quartz92 Known ebay account they reference: klassic9955 - http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=klassic9955&ftab=AllFeedback Known paypal addresses: eriicc99@yahoo.com Known email addresses: eriicc99@yahoo.com, "Jack Borcelt" <jborcelt@yahoo.com> Title: Re: Trading BTC for goods and trust/security Post by: QuantumFoam on February 19, 2012, 11:22:53 PM Title: Re: Trading BTC for goods and trust/security Post by: bitcoinhero on February 20, 2012, 03:52:42 AM Wow, that would've sucked if you got burned for $6k
I suggest dealing with reputable members only for such a large transaction Title: Re: Trading BTC for goods and trust/security Post by: Blizz on February 22, 2012, 11:16:08 AM He is scared of paypal and charges backs, and I'm scared of sending as a gift, or just straight BTC. How do you guys handle trades like this? Glad you didn't fall for it.When doing private exchanges you may use a trusted network like http://bitcoin-otc.com/vieworderbook.php Stay safe. Title: Re: Trading BTC for goods and trust/security Post by: CA Coins on February 22, 2012, 04:24:22 PM Thanks for the link to the OTC order book. Good to know.
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