Bitcoin Forum

Bitcoin => Pools => Topic started by: martychubbs on February 16, 2012, 10:24:07 PM



Title: [Resolved] A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: martychubbs on February 16, 2012, 10:24:07 PM
Please post if you were positively or negitivly impacted by A1BitcoinPool

Was anyone paid?  How much?  What was the value of the hash power you gave with an explicate agreement to return 120% in value back to you?

This should be a lesson to the next operator who sets up a pool with negative intent or negligence.


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: Raoul Duke on February 16, 2012, 10:30:00 PM
If they scammed you somehow I urge you to go post it at the Bitcoin Shitlist (http://bitcoin-shitlist.com) We are needing reports! ;=)


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: A1BITCOINPOOL on February 16, 2012, 10:46:05 PM
And also please post if you were paid fairly up until the pool was hacked. 


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: bulanula on February 16, 2012, 11:01:16 PM
And also please post if you were paid fairly up until the pool was hacked. 

Yeah. That is the funny bit.

I mined 205501 total shares two whole days before the hacking occured and you still SCAMMED me for 0.93 BTC / 21333 shares.


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: martychubbs on February 16, 2012, 11:14:08 PM
I mined 18,500k shares towards the 50btc you recieved on 2/3!  http://blockchain.info/tx-index/15091932/3a58909b9d5630c9a3e5356468262586a1da71e93c4c4b94270419d9f74d2d5b

Block 165159 http://blockchain.info/block-index/858690 found by you!!!!!!!!

YOU DID NOT PAY ME!

However, you did post:

Re: [18 GH][0% Fee] A1BITCOINPOOL.COM 20 BTC BONUS PROPORTIONAL POOL
February 03, 2012, 05:14:33 PM
 #87
5:13pm Central.  Site may be down right now,  currently repairing lifetime share issue, and fixing some other stat problems.  Miners can resume mining as stats are still being logged.  Thanks.

6:50 pm Central.  Everything is back up and running.  Lifetime share are updating again.  Happy Mining.  

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=60168.msg730068#msg730068

I was like your third miner  :-[


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: P4man on February 16, 2012, 11:17:41 PM
I mined 129,484 shares there, but proportional.
Since no block was found, Im not sure I should feel scammed or stupid.


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: martychubbs on February 16, 2012, 11:18:33 PM

Since no block was found,


He found a block with our hashes, when we were a team P4!!!! Member, the good times we had? Proof: http://blockchain.info/block-index/858690


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: bulanula on February 16, 2012, 11:19:19 PM
I mined 129,484 shares there, but proportional.
Since no block was found, Im not sure I should feel scammed or stupid.


That is the "official" story but due to a balance of 100 on the pool's donation address, I am not sure if that is really the case or not.

Presumably two blocks were found but the pool did not record them so as to avoid paying the 20 BTC block finder reward thingy ...


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: martychubbs on February 16, 2012, 11:22:00 PM
I mined 129,484 shares there, but proportional.
Since no block was found, Im not sure I should feel scammed or stupid.


That is the "official" story but due to a balance of 100 on the pool's donation address, I am not sure if that is really the case or not.

Presumably two blocks were found but the pool did not record them so as to avoid paying the 20 BTC block finder reward thingy ...

The donation address was the pools address, right?  Blocks were generated and sent to that address, so the hash power was assigned to that address, right?

Donated btc would come from a btc address, right?  Paper trail is good, isn't it?  Not sure, someone please correct, however, I have setup PSJ before.

Based on the evidence, he collected btc from mined prop shares to pay PPS, see if you see yours by following the transactions!  Classic Ponzi!



Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: bulanula on February 16, 2012, 11:32:51 PM
I mined 129,484 shares there, but proportional.
Since no block was found, Im not sure I should feel scammed or stupid.


That is the "official" story but due to a balance of 100 on the pool's donation address, I am not sure if that is really the case or not.

Presumably two blocks were found but the pool did not record them so as to avoid paying the 20 BTC block finder reward thingy ...

The donation address was the pools address, right?  Blocks were generated and sent to that address, so the hash power was assigned to that address, right?

Donated btc would come from a btc address, right?  Paper trail is good, isn't it?  Not sure, someone please correct, however, I have setup PSJ before.

Yeah you can clearly see that the address for donation is "1DodyyJvT5z6ztwFS16w5j3ZBKfTFgxBNE" taken directly from "http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Lr_rRazJ9zoJ:www.a1bitcoinpool.com/stats.php" !

To me it seems crystal clear he found 2 blocks total during the pool's run time. Maybe someone more knowledgeable in the art of blockchain analysis can verify for us ?


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: martychubbs on February 16, 2012, 11:37:28 PM
I mined 129,484 shares there, but proportional.
Since no block was found, Im not sure I should feel scammed or stupid.


That is the "official" story but due to a balance of 100 on the pool's donation address, I am not sure if that is really the case or not.

Presumably two blocks were found but the pool did not record them so as to avoid paying the 20 BTC block finder reward thingy ...

The donation address was the pools address, right?  Blocks were generated and sent to that address, so the hash power was assigned to that address, right?

Donated btc would come from a btc address, right?  Paper trail is good, isn't it?  Not sure, someone please correct, however, I have setup PSJ before.

Yeah you can clearly see that the address for donation is "1DodyyJvT5z6ztwFS16w5j3ZBKfTFgxBNE" taken directly from "http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Lr_rRazJ9zoJ:www.a1bitcoinpool.com/stats.php" !

To me it seems crystal clear he found 2 blocks total during the pool's run time. Maybe someone more knowledgeable in the art of blockchain analysis can verify for us ?

+1


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: someone703 on February 16, 2012, 11:48:08 PM
~20k shares

But according to the cached page: 15,995 shares which I'd settle for.

So @ the promised PPS of 0.00004588 = 0.7338506 BTC

Not much but I'm not a big time miner either so that's a days worth of BTC mining for me.


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: dirtycat on February 16, 2012, 11:57:03 PM
~20k shares

But according to the cached page: 15,995 shares which I'd settle for.

So @ the promised PPS of 0.00004588 = 0.7338506 BTC

Not much but I'm not a big time miner either so that's a days worth of BTC mining for me.

I mined roughly 69k shares.. received no payment.

the cached page shows 60,161.. whatever..


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: heinz on February 17, 2012, 12:02:31 AM
500,000 + shares here.


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: bulanula on February 17, 2012, 12:03:45 AM
Yeah. This just shows we all have been scammed "big time" >:(

The scammer found 2 blocks and we got NOTHING. :'(


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: dirtycat on February 17, 2012, 12:04:26 AM
gave the noob a chance.. guess it was my fault to think he could be a trustworthy pool operator.. oh well..


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: Graet on February 17, 2012, 12:16:05 AM
havent been keeping up with the news
sad to hear if it is true

http://blockchain.info/address/8c7383cf30e92ec1b7b17ec576671f31a84fff88 is that wallets transactions
No Input (Newly Generated Coins) = blocks

blockchain.info its worth learning  :)


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: martychubbs on February 17, 2012, 12:55:14 AM
gave the noob a chance.. guess it was my fault to think he could be a trustworthy pool operator.. oh well..

I gave him a break on the first pool, this seemed premeditated. ;)

TNTmining closed before it found a block, I did not get paid..but he offered to shut me up.  I declined so I scratched it up to a noob...and just let it go.


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: farfiman on February 17, 2012, 06:21:00 AM
And also please post if you were paid fairly up until the pool was hacked. 

I don't think it matters. I didn't kill anybody for 50 years... will that help if I do it today?

You took a risk with a PPS pool- doesn't matter what happened - you owe them for the work.
And as far as I understand its not 1000's of dollars.  So do the right thing and stop arguing
with them and pay them anyway you can.


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: bulanula on February 17, 2012, 10:32:24 AM
He is getting a phone call shortly.

;)


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: P4man on February 17, 2012, 11:12:15 AM
havent been keeping up with the news
sad to hear if it is true

http://blockchain.info/address/8c7383cf30e92ec1b7b17ec576671f31a84fff88 is that wallets transactions
No Input (Newly Generated Coins) = blocks

blockchain.info its worth learning  :)

Time to slap a scammer tag on to him and his aliases then. Not that it will change a thing of course.


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: Gabi on February 17, 2012, 01:08:11 PM
Another scam. They are getting boring... :-\

Well guys either move your btc to your address often or switch to p2pool...


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: AniceInovation on February 17, 2012, 08:11:44 PM
hhmmmm... 200k shares blewed...
I guess i'm a bit too much of a truster guy. (read: idiot)


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: ThiagoCMC on February 17, 2012, 09:58:15 PM
Please, lets go to P2Pool!! ALL OF US!! NOOOOW!!

What you waiting for?! Christmas?!?!  8)


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: Turbor on February 18, 2012, 01:16:08 AM
That's what you get if you mine for 120%... ::)


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: Starlightbreaker on February 18, 2012, 02:59:33 AM
Please, lets go to P2Pool!! ALL OF US!! NOOOOW!!

What you waiting for?! Christmas?!?!  8)
nah.

waiting until no more pools to hop.

 :P


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: kano on February 18, 2012, 05:34:32 AM
Well, once this thread:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=58879.40
got past complaining about it being a Prop Pool - Inaba and Meni did point out the problems with the Pool OP
(you gotta read most of the thread to find the actual details :P)
3rd page of that thread ...


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: heinz on February 18, 2012, 03:44:53 PM
I'm assuming bulanula was paid out since I've not seen anymore chat about this.


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: bulanula on February 18, 2012, 03:46:11 PM
I'm assuming bulanula was paid out since I've not seen anymore chat about this.

Paid out, my ass.

This guy deserves a total scammer tag.

I have given up on this lowlife lying scum scammer.


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: Raoul Duke on February 18, 2012, 04:24:23 PM
I'm assuming bulanula was paid out since I've not seen anymore chat about this.

Paid out, my ass.

This guy deserves a total scammer tag.

I have given up on this lowlife lying scum scammer.

Don't give up, the Bitcoin Shitlist (http://bitcoin-shitlist.com/) is waiting for him! Gofill the report on the dude!


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: martychubbs on February 18, 2012, 04:41:25 PM
I'm assuming bulanula was paid out since I've not seen anymore chat about this.

Paid out, my ass.

This guy deserves a total scammer tag.

I have given up on this lowlife lying scum scammer.

Don't give up, the Bitcoin Shitlist (http://bitcoin-shitlist.com/) is waiting for him! Gofill the report on the dude!

http://www.villageoffrankfort.com/live/police if this person operates out of that jurisdictional.  There might me sufficient proof that monies were acquired with no intent to pay investors/miners.

The homepage stated that he understood the agreement and he explicitly would not do what he did, seems criminal.  Anyone in Ill?


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: Raoul Duke on February 18, 2012, 04:43:59 PM
I'm assuming bulanula was paid out since I've not seen anymore chat about this.

Paid out, my ass.

This guy deserves a total scammer tag.

I have given up on this lowlife lying scum scammer.

Don't give up, the Bitcoin Shitlist (http://bitcoin-shitlist.com/) is waiting for him! Gofill the report on the dude!

http://www.villageoffrankfort.com/live/police


You really sure the guy is from there? lol


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: martychubbs on February 18, 2012, 04:49:23 PM
I'm assuming bulanula was paid out since I've not seen anymore chat about this.

Paid out, my ass.

This guy deserves a total scammer tag.

I have given up on this lowlife lying scum scammer.

Don't give up, the Bitcoin Shitlist (http://bitcoin-shitlist.com/) is waiting for him! Gofill the report on the dude!

http://www.villageoffrankfort.com/live/police




You really sure the guy is from there? lol

No, I don't nor do I know who it is, just making a suggestion.  But the police will investigate...there are cybercrime laws on the books now that will help them find out who did this.  People were defrauded across state lines so FBI may be involved too.


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: bulanula on February 18, 2012, 04:53:39 PM
As said before, here is all the information I have about this low life scammer :

-he owes me 0.92775905 BTC or 21333 unpaid shares !!

-name is supposedly Sam Theofanopoulos with aliases being "A1BITCOINPOOL" and "mu50stang"

-phone number from Illinois is supposedly (708)822-4450 and a mobile phone

-fax number is (708)658-1540

-his email is ch69evy@hotmail.com

-probably lives in Oak Forest, IL, United States

-his business website is http://samtheofanopoulos.point2homes.biz/

-proof of my submitted shares http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Lr_rRazJ9zoJ:www.a1bitcoinpool.com/stats.php

-his address 1DodyyJvT5z6ztwFS16w5j3ZBKfTFgxBNE shows he clearly found 2 blocks and can pay us and should have given the 20 BTC blockfinder bonus out

Where is his scammer tag ???


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: dirtycat on February 18, 2012, 05:41:45 PM
As said before, here is all the information I have about this low life scammer :

-he owes me 0.92775905 BTC or 21333 unpaid shares !!

-name is supposedly Sam Theofanopoulos with aliases being "A1BITCOINPOOL" and "mu50stang"

-phone number from Illinois is supposedly (708)822-4450 and a mobile phone

-fax number is (708)658-1540

-his email is ch69evy@hotmail.com

-probably lives in Oak Forest, IL, United States

-his business website is http://samtheofanopoulos.point2homes.biz/

-proof of my submitted shares http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Lr_rRazJ9zoJ:www.a1bitcoinpool.com/stats.php

-his address 1DodyyJvT5z6ztwFS16w5j3ZBKfTFgxBNE shows he clearly found 2 blocks and can pay us and should have given the 20 BTC blockfinder bonus out

Where is his scammer tag ???

for reals.. where is the scammer tag?


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: Maged on February 18, 2012, 11:48:53 PM
Where is his scammer tag ???
for reals.. where is the scammer tag?
We're giving him a few days to defend himself. If you were payed anything by this guy, now is the time to speak up.


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: rjk on February 19, 2012, 01:51:01 AM
If his system actually got hacked, then I assume the hacker made off with the wallet too. New pools have a habit of storing their wallets on insecure servers. :/

That being said, I have several shares that I haven't been payed for yet. I was "iCanHazHash" as shown in the Google cache for about 30,000 shares.


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: kano on February 19, 2012, 02:04:15 AM
If his system actually got hacked, then I assume the hacker made off with the wallet too. New pools have a habit of storing their wallets on insecure servers. :/

That being said, I have several shares that I haven't been payed for yet. I was "iCanHazHash" as shown in the Google cache for about 30,000 shares.
But if someone stole the wallet then the thief would have tried to move the BTC somewhere else immediately ...
since there would be no person on this planet, not mentally retarded, who had a pool and didn't backup the pools wallet to somewhere else.


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: rjk on February 19, 2012, 02:54:43 AM
If his system actually got hacked, then I assume the hacker made off with the wallet too. New pools have a habit of storing their wallets on insecure servers. :/

That being said, I have several shares that I haven't been payed for yet. I was "iCanHazHash" as shown in the Google cache for about 30,000 shares.
But if someone stole the wallet then the thief would have tried to move the BTC somewhere else immediately ...
since there would be no person on this planet, not mentally retarded, who had a pool and didn't backup the pools wallet to somewhere else.
According to http://blockexplorer.com/address/1DodyyJvT5z6ztwFS16w5j3ZBKfTFgxBNE they have been moved, but yes the dates when they were moved were 3 days after each generation transaction, so that doesn't support the hacking theory.


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: kano on February 19, 2012, 03:07:11 AM
OK just to do a VERY simple bit of checking that others have already done but to write it down here:

www.a1bitcoinpool.com = 91.121.157.85

http://blockchain.info/address/8c7383cf30e92ec1b7b17ec576671f31a84fff88
http://blockchain.info/address/1DodyyJvT5z6ztwFS16w5j3ZBKfTFgxBNE <- same thing but using the address
has a coinbase transaction of

http://blockchain.info/tx-index/15391961/2098fe5ec34c9f76ebe1daf89d414ae7d5eb719e350eccbd247c34c6b97c4786
is listed as coming from a1bitcoinpool.com 91.121.157.85

and is in Block http://blockchain.info/block-index/866987 166170

If you check that address, it has received 2 blocks
(the other one was http://blockchain.info/tx-index/15091932/3a58909b9d5630c9a3e5356468262586a1da71e93c4c4b94270419d9f74d2d5b
that was again the same IP address and was the coinbase of block http://blockchain.info/block-index/858690 165159)

The last block (166171) was 2012-02-10 09:51:39 UTC
This was then transferred to http://blockchain.info/address/1CBB4rmnDfdWUkbAWmH28DxkGP76e16Ey9
at 2012-02-13 19:36:41 UTC (3 days and 10 hours later)

That's a long time ...

That target address is an active address and still has 53.07060936 BTC and has made 25 payments to other addresses since 26-Dec when it first was used (first received anything)

So out of vague curiosity - did anyone receive any payments from 1CBB4rmnDfdWUkbAWmH28DxkGP76e16Ey9 ?

PREVIOUS BLOCK
The previous block http://blockchain.info/block-index/858690 2012-02-03 10:14:08
was sent to http://blockchain.info/address/15nLXFXeYb7rKReL4ZX5PJkjxahkriWEhy
on 2012-02-06 21:59:04 UTC (this time 3 days and 12 hours later)

That's a long time also ...

and then most of it (48.78203627 BTC) was sent to http://blockchain.info/address/1JksGKvJyo2gqCUnyP3YCzX85gJEHHK2iZ
at 2012-02-07 22:27:59 UTC (1 day 30 minutes later)

etc. etc.


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: dirtycat on February 19, 2012, 08:45:15 AM
my username was chupa.. i have NOT been paid for my shares 60,000+

correction: NEVER been paid ANYTHING! NOTHING!!   :)


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: AniceInovation on February 19, 2012, 12:18:09 PM
I was paid twice. Been paid a total of 450000+250000 = 700 000 shares.
Last acess to his site i had 947604 valid shares, so he own me 247604 shares.

EDIT: i'm not counting the shares at the proportional pool, only at the PPS pool.


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: legolouman on February 19, 2012, 09:57:49 PM
I believe we were scammed, he owes me 100+k shares.


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: heinz on February 20, 2012, 07:54:07 PM
http://www.a1bitcoinpool.com/jobs/ (http://www.a1bitcoinpool.com/jobs/)

wtf?


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: jake262144 on February 21, 2012, 12:23:28 AM
http://www.a1bitcoinpool.com/jobs/ (http://www.a1bitcoinpool.com/jobs/)
wtf?
lmao :D


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: cablepair on February 21, 2012, 02:09:46 PM
BTCWebHost.com hosted this pool, and although his server is now formatted and being used for something else, the DNS was still pointing to an IP that I own. I have since pointed the domain back to his web site.

Since he paid me to host his pool and buy the domain for him I ended up technically owning it. I am willing to sell it for 1 BTC + the cost of officially transferring it (if any).

I can be reached at contact@btcwebhost.com

thanks!


Tom
BTCWebHost.com


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: cablepair on February 21, 2012, 02:19:54 PM
listen dont start shit with me because we had an issue in the past - can you for once be a bigger man?


he was my customer, he paid me to host and setup his pool, if you want to pay me to host and setup a pool for you too I will do it.



Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: Raoul Duke on February 21, 2012, 02:38:15 PM
Hey Goat, why haven't you answered my PM about the exploit you have at http://tygrr.com ?
Have you been so busy pestering others instead of minding your own business that you can't even reply to a simple PM?


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: cablepair on February 21, 2012, 02:48:39 PM
listen dont start shit with me because we had an issue in the past - can you for once be a bigger man?


he was my customer, he paid me to host and setup his pool, if you want to pay me to host and setup a pool for you too I will do it.




Since you set up and hosted his pools you will be willing to make public who is owed what?

Also the "we had an issue" lol! I'm very cool with making all that public:)    I've not so for out of decency but since you bring it up I would love to post your messages to me:)  

Edit, just to clear yourself of being a scammer too if nothing else. I know it is hard work to help people you helped scam but come on...

Goat: you think im scared of you telling what happened? are you kidding me? When i was mining on your PPS project you accidentally overpaid me .16 btc, I refused to pay it back, you banned be from your project, I swore at you and disrespected you, you swore at me and disrespected me, hilarity ensued. We became enemies for no good reason at all, both of our egos got bruised by the way we were talking to each other. Its really senseless and stupid on both ends. If you want to post it - go ahead just post the whole thing, just dont edit it, I have it all saved too in my PM box, but all its going to do is make BOTH of us look bad because BOTH of us were acting like children.




Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: cablepair on February 21, 2012, 03:06:43 PM
and just for the record, I have fully co-operated and reported to the Staff investigating with EVERYTHING I know.

I told Mu50stang or whatever you want to call him that he should pay his debts - I agree that he should have to pay the miners he promised a PPS rate, I also agree that if he does not do so, he should be labeled a scammer - he made an agreement to pay these miners and it is not their fault what happened to his pool - this is the liability you take when you become a pool op.

 if any miners from a1bitcoinpool that are owed monies would like some specific information I encourage you to contact the investigating staff member and ask them directly. I provided everything I have to them and I am sure they will make the information known to involved parties upon request.





Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: kano on February 21, 2012, 03:09:16 PM
and just for the record, I have fully co-operated and reported to the Staff investigating with EVERYTHING I know.

I told Mu50stang or whatever you want to call him that he should pay his debts - I agree that he should have to pay the miners he promised a PPS rate, I also agree that if he does not do so, he should be labeled a scammer - he made an agreement to pay these miners and it is not their fault what happened to his pool - this is the liability you take when you become a pool op.

 if any miners from a1bitcoinpool that are owed monies would like some specific information I encourage you to contact the investigating staff member and ask them directly. I provided everything I have to them and I am sure they will make the information known to involved parties upon request.




So ... if he did actually have his wallet stolen and he is incompetent as a pool operator ... wouldn't it be the person who actually setup the pool that is to blame for someone being able to hack into it?


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: farfiman on February 21, 2012, 03:19:41 PM
How old are you people?


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: cablepair on February 21, 2012, 03:24:56 PM
kano: I follow a lot of your posts and I respect you, it really surprises me that you would say that, I was not contracted to do a security analysis of this server or to secure it in any way in fact I was not paid anywhere near enough to even think about doing that, besides it was not requested of me.

You also need to understand your (and by yours I mean the public) understanding of what happened here is distorted. No one here really has it right at all and most of that is A1Bitcoinpools fault.

Again I have reported all the facts to the investigating staff and if you are a victim here please contact them for information as I do not wish to put this all in a public forum until the investigation has been completed



Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: cablepair on February 21, 2012, 03:26:13 PM
goat: what do you think your proving ?

I dont understand?

notice he showed THREE of my replies and only ONE of his

but im the scammer right?

your such a scum bag goat you really are.

Its already been proven that I am not A1BitcoinPool / Mustang

his real identity has already been revealed, the staff can prove that my IP address and his IP address are from two separate states and his IP has never logged into my account and my IP has never been logged into his account.

you are just trying to start trouble with me because you dont like me. You are a pathetic little worm and you always will be, your the one thats a scammer your the one thats now doing damage control - trying to act like your a good guy and admitting to your pool hopping scam now that its been proven.

your a psychopath, I really hope you get help someday.

I came to this thread to try and shed some light here but you using mob mentality to try and push your own agenda to get revenge at me.

go get a life seriously and then go get a psychiatrist, not necessarily in that order.

im ignoring you now, because all you are poison and negativity, if you have a problem with me I invite you to come to my house and deal with me. I am not afraid of you, you talk all this tough guy stuff on a forum its real easy, we all know what you are in real life



Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: cablepair on February 21, 2012, 03:49:25 PM
Goat : stop lying man, I cant believe you are so low to do this, try to implicate me in this when you know its not true! Your just trying to get back at me. Shame on you, thats really low even for you.

Can I a member of staff please intervene here? This thread has gotten ridiculously filled with crap that has nothing to do with the real issue here.


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: kano on February 21, 2012, 03:55:02 PM
kano: I follow a lot of your posts and I respect you, it really surprises me that you would say that, I was not contracted to do a security analysis of this server or to secure it in any way in fact I was not paid anywhere near enough to even think about doing that, besides it was not requested of me.

You also need to understand your (and by yours I mean the public) understanding of what happened here is distorted. No one here really has it right at all and most of that is A1Bitcoinpools fault.

Again I have reported all the facts to the investigating staff and if you are a victim here please contact them for information as I do not wish to put this all in a public forum until the investigation has been completed


Nope, no victim.
... and I guess I missed the post about there being an investigation ... that, no doubt will answer the questions when it's complete ...
I was pointing out something that I would suspect the investigation you mentioned has already made some related comment to you of that.

Anyone who has read enough of Mustang (or whatever his spelling is) here on the forum should have grave doubts about his ability to run a pool.
Since you do say you were not requested to "secure it in any way" then I guess that resolves you of having to do that.

The issue is that if someone did actually take his wallet and thus his bitcoins then it was due to a security breach.
So I would certainly suggest next time someone asks you to setup a pool for them, either say no, or ensure they aren't stupid enough to not know how to complete the work of securing the pool - since it may be a lot of other people who may lose out because of the lack of security - not just the idiot running the pool.

What's the saying? "Give a man a loaded gun..."


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: martychubbs on February 21, 2012, 03:56:02 PM
Cablepair, a BTC was generated on 2/3 at the pool's wallet.  On 2/3 you were working with him to fix the top 30 hash rate issue and the pool mined for days after before the "hacker" stole everything.  However, the 50 BTC mined were not paid proportional to the miners.  Actually, the BTC was used to pay early PPS.  So, YOU HAD TO BE INVOLVED, and the pool YOU set up and hosted was infarct a ponzi scheme by the true definition.

You also vouched for him on TNT and A1.  You even replyed to my complain for switching go PPLNS with TNT.  

As this thread shows, looks like you were involved MORE that just a vendor relationship in what I believe was a criminal matter.  

This thread is on topic, we are complaining about you and your consultant role with this fraudulent business.

Great read: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=54970.msg659768#msg659768


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: rjk on February 21, 2012, 04:04:22 PM
Cablepair, a BTC was generated on 2/3 at the pool's wallet.  On 2/3 you were working with him to fix the top 30 hash rate issue and the pool mined for days after before the "hacker" stole everything.  However, the 50 BTC mined were not paid proportional to the miners.  Actually, the BTC was used to pay early PPS.  So, YOU HAD TO BE INVOLVED, and the pool YOU set up and hosted was infarct a ponzi scheme by the true definition.

You also vouched for him on TNT and A1.  You even replyed to my complain for switching go PPLNS with TNT.  

As this thread shows, looks like you were involved MORE that just a vendor relationship in what I believe was a criminal matter.  

This thread is on topic, we are complaining about you and your consultant role with this fraudulent business.
Shaky and unsupported circumstantial evidence. I bet the "hacking" was when A1BITCOINPOOL messed up the database while fucking/fudging the stats to show that no blocks had been generated.


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: cablepair on February 21, 2012, 04:05:57 PM
Cablepair, a BTC was generated on 2/3 at the pool's wallet.  On 2/3 you were working with him to fix the top 30 hash rate issue and the pool mined for days after before the "hacker" stole everything.  However, the 50 BTC mined were not paid proportional to the miners.  Actually, the BTC was used to pay early PPS.  So, YOU HAD TO BE INVOLVED, and the pool YOU set up and hosted was infarct a ponzi scheme by the true definition.

You also vouched for him on TNT and A1.  You even replayed to my complain for switching go PPLNS with TNT.  

As this thread shows, looks like you were involved MORE that just a vendor relationship in what I believe was a criminal matter.  

MartyChubbs, honestly - you have it so backwards man, you really do - you have no idea , lol its almost funny it really is...

you know what the part of this that makes me absolutely sick?

100% of you have 95% of the whole thing wrong including what happened, but its not your fault, and I dont blame you.

Also I dont blame you for attacking me, you guys want justice here, you were wronged and the guy that wronged you is hidding out like a scared litle girl while this whole thing plays out, and because I am man enough to actually get involved and shed some light here I get attacked in his absence.

I have reported to the staff what I know to have happened, I encourage you to contact them with your questions, when the investigation is over I will gladly repost my entire message to staff here on the forum, and it will all be a lot clearer to you.

I also encourage you to try to get an official law enforcement investigation going, I think thats excellent, if some real professionals get involved the truth will not only be exposed but believed!




Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: martychubbs on February 21, 2012, 04:13:38 PM
Cablepair, a BTC was generated on 2/3 at the pool's wallet.  On 2/3 you were working with him to fix the top 30 hash rate issue and the pool mined for days after before the "hacker" stole everything.  However, the 50 BTC mined were not paid proportional to the miners.  Actually, the BTC was used to pay early PPS.  So, YOU HAD TO BE INVOLVED, and the pool YOU set up and hosted was infarct a ponzi scheme by the true definition.

You also vouched for him on TNT and A1.  You even replayed to my complain for switching go PPLNS with TNT.  

As this thread shows, looks like you were involved MORE that just a vendor relationship in what I believe was a criminal matter.  

MartyChubbs, honestly - you have it so backwards man, you really do - you have no idea , lol its almost funny it really is...

you know what the part of this that makes me absolutely sick?

100% of you have 95% of the whole thing wrong including what happened, but its not your fault, and I dont blame you.

Also I dont blame you for attacking me, you guys want justice here, you were wronged and the guy that wronged you is hidding out like a scared litle girl while this whole thing plays out, and because I am man enough to actually get involved and shed some light here I get attacked in his absence.

I have reported to the staff what I know to have happened, I encourage you to contact them with your questions, when the investigation is over I will gladly repost my entire message to staff here on the forum, and it will all be a lot clearer to you.

I also encourage you to try to get an official law enforcement investigation going, I think thats excellent, if some real professionals get involved the truth will not only be exposed but believed!




If I have it wrong, why don't you explain what happened to the first block found?  Was it your expertise that kept the wallet on the server?  What date did you last work on the server/software?  Were you negligent or did you set up an insecure pool by design?


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: cablepair on February 21, 2012, 04:15:50 PM
I will Marty, you seem like a very reasonable guy, just chill out a little bit and the whole story will be revealed I just need to hear back from the investigating staff that its ok to do this first , as soon as they give me the ok I will spill the beans so to speak, I will tell anything and everything I know, the only reason I have been holding back is because I wanted the staff to investigate everything first so there could be no b.s. allegations, I hate the mob mentality that has cropped up all over the bitcointalk forums and I dont want to be a part of anything like that, I feel the best way to handle a situation like this is go straight to staff, give them all the information and let them do their jobs, its really the best way...





Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: martychubbs on February 21, 2012, 04:22:31 PM
I will Marty, you seem like a very reasonable guy, just chill out a little bit and the whole story will be revealed I just need to hear back from the investigating staff that its ok to do this first , as soon as they give me the ok I will spill the beans so to speak, I will tell anything and everything I know, the only reason I have been holding back is because I wanted the staff to investigate everything first so there could be no b.s. allegations, I hate the mob mentality that has cropped up all over the bitcointalk forums and I dont want to be a part of anything like that, I feel the best way to handle a situation like this is go straight to staff, give them all the information and let them do their jobs, its really the best way...


"you seem like a very reasonable guy" ok, we cool!  haha  

I hope this doesn't happen again, cause I will fall for it! 

Former Bitcoin7, btcserv, TNT, and A1 member ;)


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: cablepair on February 21, 2012, 04:28:24 PM
lol, so I can understand your frustration. seriously I dont blame you for wanting to call the police...


I think it would be helpful for the investigation could everyone who is still owed money from a1bitcoinpool post approximately what they think they are owed?

I realize its not going to be an exact but please just give your best honest answer with about how much you think it should be.


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: rjk on February 21, 2012, 04:34:08 PM
lol, so I can understand your frustration. seriously I dont blame you for wanting to call the police...


I think it would be helpful for the investigation could everyone who is still owed money from a1bitcoinpool post approximately what they think they are owed?

I realize its not going to be an exact but please just give your best honest answer with about how much you think it should be.
About 30k shares. Not sure what that works out to, since I don't know the total shares submitted before the server went offline.


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: martychubbs on February 21, 2012, 04:43:24 PM
lol, so I can understand your frustration. seriously I dont blame you for wanting to call the police...


I think it would be helpful for the investigation could everyone who is still owed money from a1bitcoinpool post approximately what they think they are owed?

I realize its not going to be an exact but please just give your best honest answer with about how much you think it should be.
About 30k shares. Not sure what that works out to, since I don't know the total shares submitted before the server went offline.

I mined 18,500k shares towards the 50btc recieved on 2/3.  http://blockchain.info/tx-index/15091932/3a58909b9d5630c9a3e5356468262586a1da71e93c4c4b94270419d9f74d2d5b

rjk, nice sig!  You're supposed to ask or beg for BTC, like me ;)  Wanna be my brother?  1 BTC and you'll be in the will..?


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: cablepair on February 21, 2012, 05:08:42 PM
thanks guys, I am going to try to assist you and the staff to get a resolution to this, I would really like anyone and everyone who is owed anything at all from a1bitcoinpool to speak up please!


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: P4man on February 21, 2012, 05:26:23 PM
129,484 shares according to google cache.


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: cablepair on February 21, 2012, 05:27:35 PM
I think I may have brokered a deal with a1bitcoinpool to pay you guys back
if anyone thinks we are one and the same, before making a false accusation contact a member of staff and they can verify that we are not the same person. I am tired of being falsely accused and associated with this mess so I decided to do something about it, hopefully he will come here and post - I have been negotiating with him via email



Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: bulanula on February 21, 2012, 05:32:58 PM
OK. As said tens of times here is what I am owed :

I mined for him a total of 205501 shares ( this was 2 days before he supposedly got hacked ; I stopped mining 2 days before the hack because my router broke )

He last paid me at 184168 shares.

He owes me 21333 shares at rate ( 60 / 1,379,647 = 0.000043489385328276 ) so total of 0.92775905 BTC.

Proof I submitted 205501 shares right here : http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Lr_rRazJ9zoJ:www.a1bitcoinpool.com/stats.php

Thank you and hopefully this will be resolved.

Address is 1M1Eo8upubkEmCqmhnMvVMfEyQiYbCXxKS


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: cablepair on February 21, 2012, 05:39:27 PM
so far he has agreed to pay you all back if I setup ecoinpool for him on his personal solo mining box

I agreed to do this because I want to see it all resolved and and have a happy ending and not have to hear about it anymore! :P

 he says he is coming here to post about it...


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: DeathAndTaxes on February 21, 2012, 06:01:47 PM
so far he has agreed to pay you all back if I setup ecoinpool for him on his personal solo mining box

I agreed to do this because I want to see it all resolved and and have a happy ending and not have to hear about it anymore! :P

 he says he is coming here to post about it...


Sweet love of god, another pool from this dirtbag.

Not you cablepair, although if you give a retard who has already shot people not once but twice a loaded gun well that doesn't make you very bright or reputable.  A1 holding repayment as a condition for getting another scammer pool going is just beyond low.


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: cablepair on February 21, 2012, 06:11:52 PM
well your right if thats the case, but he is saying he wants to solo mine

I am just trying to make this situation right, honestly....

He emailed me and offered to pay me to setup a pool for solo mining on his personal linux box, I said I would agree to if he paid back the miners

It would be very pleasing to me if I can be a peace maker here and help this get resolved


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: heinz on February 21, 2012, 06:32:27 PM
thanks guys, I am going to try to assist you and the staff to get a resolution to this, I would really like anyone and everyone who is owed anything at all from a1bitcoinpool to speak up please!

I'm in the area of 580,000 shares owed.


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: A1BITCOINPOOL on February 21, 2012, 08:33:41 PM
I just want to clear up that Cablepair is not me.  I did pay Cablepair to setup A1bitcoinpool.  I did find two blocks on the pool.  First one was at around 4,000,000 shares and the second was around 7,000,000 shares.  My intention was not to keep the blocks at all.  When the first block was found it didn't register correctly so I hired a programmer to try and fix this issue.  He told me that he couldn't include this block but the next one should show up. Due to a bad judgement and no programming knowledge I decided to hold onto the block hoping that the next one that was found would register.  After the second block didn't register I hired a different programmer to try and fix this.  He told me he couldn't.  The same evening  that I hired this programmer about 10 confirmations before the block generated the whole system shut down and I was locked out until the next morning when Cablepair was able to get access to the server. Once he got in the database was gone but was able to send me my wallet which I was able to recover 50 btc from it.  I'm willing to setup payment for up to 20btc.  If you are someone who is owed something please come forward and you will be paid if you were on prop or on pps.  


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: DeathAndTaxes on February 21, 2012, 08:38:17 PM
When the first block was found it didn't register correctly so I hired a programmer to try and fix this issue.  He told me that he couldn't include this block but the next one should show up. Due to a bad judgement and no programming knowledge I decided to hold onto the block hoping that the next one that was found would register. 

In other words you decided to steal $300.  Pure and simple you stole from miners.  If (and it is a stretch) it was impossible to automatically payout the block there is absolutely no reason you couldn't

a) post we found a block but payments aren't working
b) take a dump of db. miners, # of shares, and then manually issue payments.

You chose instead to steal $300 you didn't earn that belonged to other people and then do it again.

Your a thief.

Quote
I'm willing to setup payment for up to 20btc.  If you are someone who is owed something please come forward and you will be paid if you were on prop or on pps. 

You pay in full 120 BTC of your should get a scammer tag.  Period.


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: bulanula on February 21, 2012, 08:40:48 PM
I just want my $4 ( 0.93 BTC ) back :D !

1M1Eo8upubkEmCqmhnMvVMfEyQiYbCXxKS


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: cablepair on February 21, 2012, 08:42:01 PM
maybe anyone that was owed shares should post how much they are owed and then post their wallet address right here in the thread that way the public can verify that these payments are being met.


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: P4man on February 21, 2012, 08:45:23 PM
Im not going to post it a millionth time. The google cache page shows it pretty well.
Ive also given him my btc address a million times, but here it is again:
15ZPNczbVbmuP5XjnaBGNVVLSAaWRaPF62

Paying out 20BTC when you got 50BTC and owe 100BTC isnt going to do it though.


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: Inaba on February 21, 2012, 08:46:58 PM
Seriously.. where the fuck did you find these "programmers" you hired?  Out front of Home Depot?  

It's a fucking MYSQL database, it's not hard to insert a row and make it think it's found a block and process shares.  I  call total bullshit. Anyone with even a modicum of programming experience can make it happen in a few minutes.  Bull-double-shit.

Whether or not you are guilty from stupidity or guilty from malicious intent, you are equally guilty in either instance.  I specifically asked you at one point, weeks ago and long before any of this happened, what you would do when things go south and you need to fix things right away... I guess we know, now. You'll just abscond with all the BTC.



Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: cablepair on February 21, 2012, 08:53:00 PM
let me just clarify please , since im the guy he found to setup the pool (he found me in front of a bar) he did ask me to try to fix this, and I did try to manually insert the found block in the shares table, simplecoin is just plain broken and buggy, it did not catch the "found block" even though we inserted it into the correct table, marked it as result Y, put it in the winning shares table, nothing worked, simplecoin is just plain broken in so many ways, it was a fail the moment I cloned the git hub :(


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: cablepair on February 21, 2012, 08:55:10 PM
Im not going to post it a millionth time. The google cache page shows it pretty well.
Ive also given him my btc address a million times, but here it is again:
15ZPNczbVbmuP5XjnaBGNVVLSAaWRaPF62

Paying out 20BTC when you got 50BTC and owe 100BTC isnt going to do it though.

thank you dude, i know everyone is frustrated here - im just trying to bring some sort of resolution to this nightmare - thank you for co-operating - I am sure everyone will get paid what they are owed.


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: A1BITCOINPOOL on February 21, 2012, 09:14:29 PM
When the first block was found it didn't register correctly so I hired a programmer to try and fix this issue.  He told me that he couldn't include this block but the next one should show up. Due to a bad judgement and no programming knowledge I decided to hold onto the block hoping that the next one that was found would register. 

In other words you decided to steal $300.  Pure and simple you stole from miners.  If (and it is a stretch) it was impossible to automatically payout the block there is absolutely no reason you couldn't

a) post we found a block but payments aren't working
b) take a dump of db. miners, # of shares, and then manually issue payments.

You chose instead to steal $300 you didn't earn that belonged to other people and then do it again.

Your a thief.

Quote
I'm willing to setup payment for up to 20btc.  If you are someone who is owed something please come forward and you will be paid if you were on prop or on pps. 

You pay in full 120 BTC of your should get a scammer tag.  Period.

This is not entirely true I mined 2,000,000 shares by myselft and at least another 3,000,000 were paid out on pps. 


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: rjk on February 21, 2012, 09:29:49 PM
I'm not actually sure how to calculate my shares, I mined just over 30k shares on prop.

1PBmXeT9JGuguyB1TLHQ1vUacHVf8pzfEf


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: A1BITCOINPOOL on February 21, 2012, 10:09:12 PM
Anyone have a saved copy of the googlecache page.


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: JWU42 on February 21, 2012, 10:23:40 PM
I was paid for 89389 shares on PPS @ 120%.  Address is 1EytkrZJZu3oNW2RyYnRM7EZHmAvVA9tPt.

The last share total I recall was in excess of 105,000 shares.  The only googlecache page I saw showed me at less than 90K shares so it is certainly a bit dated...


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: heinz on February 21, 2012, 11:13:53 PM
In the area of 580,000 shares. Address 1FSwHP6TXqs2cjfrHy8CJpiirZNtVXjsSh .


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: dirtycat on February 21, 2012, 11:48:22 PM
I still have no received payment for my shares.. can we get this guy a scammer tag already?


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: someone703 on February 22, 2012, 02:20:21 AM
Anyone have a saved copy of the googlecache page.

I didn't save it, and the link someone else provided is no longer cached apparently.

I had ~20k shares that went unpaid as well.

17umTfQVCWksJEb92cPAYgCC8eySg7ERQp


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: A1BITCOINPOOL on February 22, 2012, 02:36:18 AM
I will give everyone till tommorrow 2/22/12 11:00 pm central time to post what they are owed and then payment will be sent. 


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: legolouman on February 22, 2012, 02:58:04 AM
I will give everyone till tommorrow 2/22/12 11:00 pm central time to post what they are owed and then payment will be sent.  


I'll make a request for payment of 100k shares (I KNOW for a fact there were more, but I don't know how much). At the 120% you promised. I also recommend that the 20BTC Block reward be split up between the miner's.

I like how you wait until the cached page is changed to that 'site' before you resurface.

In short:

At least 100k shares @120% to 18EgrRMWXceMuF5pb7U3iuk9AAfi64D88S
I still think it is in your best interest to make the block reward appear to us.

Thanks!


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: A1BITCOINPOOL on February 22, 2012, 03:06:10 AM
I will give everyone till tommorrow 2/22/12 11:00 pm central time to post what they are owed and then payment will be sent. 


I'll make a request for payment of 100k shares (I KNOW for a fact there were more, but I don't know how much). At the 120% you promised. I also recommend that the 20BTC Block reward be split up between the miner's.

I like how you wait until the cached page is changed to that 'site' before you resurface.

In short:

At least 100k shares @120% to 18EgrRMWXceMuF5pb7U3iuk9AAfi64D88S
I still think it is in your best interest to make the block reward appear to us.

Legolouman you were mining on proportional.  If you read my post above I will pay the proportional miners according to proportional and the pps miners will get the pps.  All proportional miners will be paid off of when the first block was found at around 4,000,000 shares.  I'm only allocating 20 btcs for the total payment because that's all I'm able to give out. 


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: legolouman on February 22, 2012, 03:07:42 AM
I will give everyone till tommorrow 2/22/12 11:00 pm central time to post what they are owed and then payment will be sent. 


I'll make a request for payment of 100k shares (I KNOW for a fact there were more, but I don't know how much). At the 120% you promised. I also recommend that the 20BTC Block reward be split up between the miner's.

I like how you wait until the cached page is changed to that 'site' before you resurface.

In short:

At least 100k shares @120% to 18EgrRMWXceMuF5pb7U3iuk9AAfi64D88S
I still think it is in your best interest to make the block reward appear to us.

Legolouman you were mining on proportional.  If you read my post above I will pay the proportional miners according to proportional and the pps miners will get the pps.  All proportional miners will be paid off of when the first block was found at around 4,000,000 shares.  I'm only allocating 20 btcs for the total payment because that's all I'm able to give out. 

I was? I was unaware... Well, Okay, please forgive my ignorance from above. I'm sure you will resolve everything correctly.
Thanks
<3


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: A1BITCOINPOOL on February 22, 2012, 03:08:44 AM
I have a list of all the pps miners because I was manually paying them.


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: A1BITCOINPOOL on February 22, 2012, 03:09:40 AM
I will give everyone till tommorrow 2/22/12 11:00 pm central time to post what they are owed and then payment will be sent. 


I'll make a request for payment of 100k shares (I KNOW for a fact there were more, but I don't know how much). At the 120% you promised. I also recommend that the 20BTC Block reward be split up between the miner's.

I like how you wait until the cached page is changed to that 'site' before you resurface.

In short:

At least 100k shares @120% to 18EgrRMWXceMuF5pb7U3iuk9AAfi64D88S
I still think it is in your best interest to make the block reward appear to us.

caplepair I'm sure can recover the data. I highly doubt he deleted it all knowing about the issue at hand.

As far as recovering the database, it's not possible.  Whoever hacked the server changed the password to the database.  There is now way of getting in. 


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: rjk on February 22, 2012, 03:12:08 AM
As far as recovering the database, it's not possible.  Whoever hacked the server changed the password to the database.  There is now way of getting in.  
Um. Lol? Unless it was encrypted, all you need to do is reset the password.

EDIT: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/resetting-permissions.html


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: dirtycat on February 22, 2012, 04:43:46 AM
I mined more than 60K shares but to keep it simple just say 60k.. I have no idea where I was at when we hit 4mil or when we hit 7mil.. that is something you were responsible for keeping track of as being the pool op.  how is the reward for being the one who found the block gonna be payed out? split it amongst the miners or give it to who actually found the block? my btc address is 15H1V3UXLaQwn5tGrZc6B47k7GCV515YCT i will be awaiting payment.. if you do decide to pay you still deserve the scammer tag in my book.


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: sveetsnelda on February 22, 2012, 05:16:12 AM
Oh hai.  I managed to take a screenshot about 5 hours before I decided to quit mining here.  The screenshot was taken because it shows that 5 people all solved the same block (and in this case, the block was solved by Deepbit).  This happened a few times and then I eventually left.  I'm owed at *least* what is shown here.  My address is 19ppqTBGb7G37wdKJ96nXwkC23S2v2mYgM.  Thanks.

This screenshot was at 12:22 AM (GMT) on Saturday 2/4/2012.

http://i.imgur.com/tZrgS.png


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: Pontius on February 22, 2012, 07:42:52 AM
As far as recovering the database, it's not possible.  Whoever hacked the server changed the password to the database.  There is now way of getting in.  
Um. Lol? Unless it was encrypted, all you need to do is reset the password.

EDIT: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/resetting-permissions.html

Taken the technical "knowledge" he has shown so far there's no way he encrypted the password. And finding the above link shouldn't take more then 10 seconds if you actually search for it. So, yet another lie.


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: jake262144 on February 22, 2012, 08:30:58 AM
As far as recovering the database, it's not possible.  Whoever hacked the server changed the password to the database.  There is now way of getting in.  
Um. Lol? Unless it was encrypted, all you need to do is reset the password.

EDIT: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/resetting-permissions.html

Taken the technical "knowledge" he has shown so far there's no way he encrypted the password. And finding the above link shouldn't take more then 10 seconds if you actually search for it. So, yet another lie.
Definitely looks like it.


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: dirtycat on February 22, 2012, 10:03:26 AM
hes a scammer plain and simple.


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: bulanula on February 22, 2012, 10:33:40 AM
OK. As said tens of times here is what I am owed on the PPS 120% offer ( not proportional ) :

I mined for him a total of 205501 shares ( this was 2 days before he supposedly got hacked ; I stopped mining 2 days before the hack because my router broke )

He last paid me at 184168 shares.

He owes me 21333 shares at rate ( 60 / 1,379,647 = 0.000043489385328276 ) so total of 0.92775905 BTC.

Proof I submitted 205501 shares right here : http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Lr_rRazJ9zoJ:www.a1bitcoinpool.com/stats.php

Address is 1M1Eo8upubkEmCqmhnMvVMfEyQiYbCXxKS


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: A1BITCOINPOOL on February 22, 2012, 12:13:47 PM
As far as recovering the database, it's not possible.  Whoever hacked the server changed the password to the database.  There is now way of getting in.  
Um. Lol? Unless it was encrypted, all you need to do is reset the password.

EDIT: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/resetting-permissions.html

Taken the technical "knowledge" he has shown so far there's no way he encrypted the password. And finding the above link shouldn't take more then 10 seconds if you actually search for it. So, yet another lie.

I'm waiting for the admin to let me know if the database is still on the server.  If it is then I will try the method above to retrieve the database.  If its not the server then there is nothing I can do.



Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: jake262144 on February 22, 2012, 12:39:17 PM
I'm waiting for the admin to let me know if the database is still on the server.  If it is then I will try the method above to retrieve the database.  If its not the server then there is nothing I can do.
Bullshit.
Frankly, I'm horrified at the fact that an individual without any technical expertise is reckless enough to offer pool services.
How can you operate any service when it's clear you don't even know what you're doing??
How dare you offer such disaster-waiting-to-happen to other users?
You can't even argue this was the first time you tried to run a pool...

Occam's razor seems to support the hypothesis that this was a fraud from day one:
an incompetent can't expect to operate a pool successfully but (with outside help) they might be able to run it just long enough to steal some bitcoins and raise the false flag O noes, I've been hacked!

The fact you even copypasted the A1 sauce logo doesn't support your case either...


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: kano on February 22, 2012, 12:42:57 PM
As far as recovering the database, it's not possible.  Whoever hacked the server changed the password to the database.  There is now way of getting in.  
Um. Lol? Unless it was encrypted, all you need to do is reset the password.

EDIT: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/resetting-permissions.html

Taken the technical "knowledge" he has shown so far there's no way he encrypted the password. And finding the above link shouldn't take more then 10 seconds if you actually search for it. So, yet another lie.
Encrypting the password doesn't matter - it would only be an issue if the data in the database was encrypted.
Does ANYONE actually do that?
Does MySQL even have that as an option?

I don't know coz I can't stand MySQL, it's a cheap-ass, crappy, LQ database that started off as a text file and even now still lets you read and write text files while still claiming that it's a database.
Damn, I was using Digital Rdb back in the late 1980's/early 90's up to just before Oracle bought it from Digital and that is still better than MySQL today ... IMO.


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: Pontius on February 22, 2012, 12:43:34 PM
I'm waiting for the admin to let me know if the database is still on the server.  If it is then I will try the method above to retrieve the database.  If its not the server then there is nothing I can do.

Uh? A few post ago you said the database password is the problem. Now that rjk showed you how to solve this issue (very easily) all over sudden the database itself is the problem??? You must be kidding. Let me guess your next post:

The database is gone and ...
  • your restore doesn't work
  • the "hacker" deleted your backup too
  • you never had a backup

I need more popcorn. This guy is epic... *facepalm*





Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: kano on February 22, 2012, 12:44:27 PM
I'm waiting for the admin to let me know if the database is still on the server.  If it is then I will try the method above to retrieve the database.  If its not the server then there is nothing I can do.
Bullshit.
Frankly, I'm horrified at the fact that an individual without any technical expertise is reckless enough to offer pool services.
How can you operate any service when it's clear you don't even know what you're doing??
How dare you offer such disaster-waiting-to-happen to other users?
You can't even argue this was the first time you tried to run a pool...

Occam's razor seems to support the hypothesis that this was a fraud from day one:
an incompetent can't expect to operate a pool successfully but (with outside help) they might be able to run it just long enough to steal some bitcoins and raise the false flag O noes, I've been hacked!

The fact you even copypasted the A1 sauce logo doesn't support your case either...
Um, you did read what others had to say about A1 and it's predecessor before joining right?
Obviously not :P


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: jake262144 on February 22, 2012, 12:44:54 PM
I don't know coz I can't stand MySQL, it's a cheap-ass, crappy, LQ database...
sed 's/database/debacle/'
There, I fixed it for you

Um, you did read what others had to say about A1 and it's predecessor before joining right?
Obviously not :P
What did "the Others" have to say? Other than "We're gonna have to take the boy", that is? :D
You mean in this topic? DAT called A1 a thief (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=64211.msg761572#msg761572) and a bunch of miners have not been paid.
Since there are no bitcoin laws yet our only weapon is whiplash. I'm being generous with mine.

The sob story about blocks not registering with the pool db and hiring not one, not two but three programmers... come on, get serious. Those must have been the coders responsible for Vista, laid off by Microsoft and with no hopes of finding work.


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: Pontius on February 22, 2012, 01:15:45 PM
[...]
You mean in this topic? DAT called A1 a thief (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=64211.msg761572#msg761572) and a bunch of miners have not been paid.

No, try these threads

Original A1-Thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=58879.msg694385#msg694385
TNT Mining: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=54970.msg654149#msg654149


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: kano on February 22, 2012, 01:20:27 PM
I don't know coz I can't stand MySQL, it's a cheap-ass, crappy, LQ database...
sed 's/database/debacle/'
There, I fixed it for you

Um, you did read what others had to say about A1 and it's predecessor before joining right?
Obviously not :P
What did "the Others" have to say? Other than "We're gonna have to take the boy", that is? :D
You mean in this topic? DAT called A1 a thief (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=64211.msg761572#msg761572) and a bunch of miners have not been paid.
Since there are no bitcoin laws yet our only weapon is whiplash. I'm dishing out mine generously.
back here - by the time you get to page 3 it should have made anyone wonder about using this pool - though some of those where using it anyway ???
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=58879.0

Edit: I was too slow searching oh well


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: bulanula on February 22, 2012, 02:01:27 PM
Still did not get my 0.93 BTC back :(

I think you guys bashing him are not helping much ...


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: DeathAndTaxes on February 22, 2012, 02:03:15 PM
Still did not get my 0.93 BTC back :(

I think you guys bashing him are not helping much ...

Did you read?  He owed 120 BTC he intends to pay 20 BTC of that.  Even if he is being honest your expectation wouldn't be 0.93 it would be 0.93 * (20/120) = 0.155 BTC. 

Will you be happy with 0.155 BTC? Is that helpful?  Should people stop "bashing" a scammer now?


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: bulanula on February 22, 2012, 03:35:35 PM
Still did not get my 0.93 BTC back :(

I think you guys bashing him are not helping much ...

Did you read?  He owed 120 BTC he intends to pay 20 BTC of that.  Even if he is being honest your expectation wouldn't be 0.93 it would be 0.93 * (20/120) = 0.155 BTC. 

Will you be happy with 0.155 BTC? Is that helpful?  Should people stop "bashing" a scammer now?

Yeah. All I know is that I mined on the PPS offer. In the "contract" he stated that for every share I will be paid regardless if a block is found or not ...

The 20 BTC limit is for the proportional guys AFAIK. For proportional the terms are different. He claims no blocks were found but 2 clearly were found so I am like ???


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: DeathAndTaxes on February 22, 2012, 03:38:25 PM
Yeah. All I know is that I mined on the PPS offer. In the "contract" he stated that for every share I will be paid regardless if a block is found or not ...

The 20 BTC limit is for the proportional guys AFAIK. For proportional the terms are different. He claims no blocks were found but 2 clearly were found so I am like ???

In that case I will shut up until after you (and hopefully everyone else) get paid.  :)


.... after the post below.  Promise last post.


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: A1BITCOINPOOL on February 22, 2012, 03:39:12 PM
Still did not get my 0.93 BTC back :(

I think you guys bashing him are not helping much ...

Did you read?  He owed 120 BTC he intends to pay 20 BTC of that.  Even if he is being honest your expectation wouldn't be 0.93 it would be 0.93 * (20/120) = 0.155 BTC. 

Will you be happy with 0.155 BTC? Is that helpful?  Should people stop "bashing" a scammer now?

I guess you haven read anything on this post before you comment.  Miners who mined pps are going to get pps, miners who mined prop will get prop.  


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: DeathAndTaxes on February 22, 2012, 03:41:11 PM
I guess you haven read anything on this post before you comment.  Miners who mined pps are going to get pps, miners who mined prop will get prop. 

100% in full?


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: A1BITCOINPOOL on February 22, 2012, 03:45:09 PM
I'm done explaining to you.  You didnt mine anything on this pool and your commenting without reading my posts.  You can label me a scammer, I am going to label you an idiot DeathandTaxes=idiot.


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: Maged on February 22, 2012, 05:24:57 PM
Did you read?  He owed 120 BTC he intends to pay 20 BTC of that. 
Not quite. A good portion of that is owed to himself. Running the numbers, 20 BTC seems about right, assuming that he was telling the truth about the number of shares that have already been payed out.

Unless there is a compelling reason to change that number, as the investigating staff member in the scammer investigation, I am ruling that 20 btc is fair to all parties and that if it is paid out in a reasonable manner, he won't receive the scammer tag.


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: bulanula on February 22, 2012, 05:33:03 PM
Did you read?  He owed 120 BTC he intends to pay 20 BTC of that. 
Not quite. A good portion of that is owed to himself. Running the numbers, 20 BTC seems about right, assuming that he was telling the truth about the number of shares that have already been payed out.

Unless there is a compelling reason to change that number, as the investigating staff member in the scammer investigation, I am ruling that 20 btc is fair to all parties and that if it is paid out in a reasonable manner, he won't receive the scammer tag.

Well I think for 120% PPS it is pretty clear cut. I am owed 21333 shares so about 0.93 BTC and I will be 100% happy.

It is much less clear cut for the proportional offer, however.


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: legolouman on February 22, 2012, 08:58:43 PM
I still haven't been paid.


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: rjk on February 22, 2012, 09:03:50 PM
I still haven't been paid.
Same here


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: JWU42 on February 22, 2012, 09:24:42 PM
He mentions he would allow people until Feb 22 at 11:00pm CST to comment then payment would be made...


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: someone703 on February 22, 2012, 10:45:29 PM
Maybe someone should go through this post and gather up all the shares/payment and consolidate it to make it easier.

I'll probably do it but will be slow since I'll be doing it in between playing DoTA.


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: bulanula on February 22, 2012, 11:29:55 PM
Yeah. Same here still have not been paid my measly 0.93 BTC :'(

Address is 1M1Eo8upubkEmCqmhnMvVMfEyQiYbCXxKS

Hope he does pay eventually without repeating myself 20 times ...


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: xxaudioxx on February 22, 2012, 11:38:27 PM
i was with this pool before and i was paid twice, i still have some shares unpaid, i'm not really sure though how much..



Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: dirtycat on February 23, 2012, 12:31:31 AM

same here no payment


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: A1BITCOINPOOL on February 23, 2012, 03:14:57 AM
So far I have
NAME/AMOUNT/SHARES/PAYMENT TYPE
BulaNula .93 120% PPS
MartyCHUBBS .23125 18500 PROP
P4MAN 1.5623 124984 PROP
SOMEONE703 ? PPS HAVE TO LOOK AT MY MANUAL LOG FOR SHARES PAID.
CHUPA .8625 69000 PROP
HEINZ 5.25 580000 PROP
ACEINOVATION 8.65 200000 PPS
ICANHAZHASH .375 30000 PROP
LEGOLOU 1.25 100000 PROP
JWU42 ? 17000 PPS HAVE TO LOOK AT MY MANUAL PAY LOG
SWEETSNELDA 4.50 360,000 PROP
XXAUDIOXX ? PPS HAVE TO LOOK AT MANUAL PAY LOG

All prop payments were based off of first block at 4,000,000 shares.  All pps payments will be paid based off of 120% promo that I promised to whomever signed up for it.  I will update this list as it gets closer to 11 pm CST.  All the shares are based off of the first amount stated in the post.  I will not add any additional shares to this count. 


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: kano on February 23, 2012, 04:10:02 AM
The database should have all this information ... though of course it will be more accurate and higher ...


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: A1BITCOINPOOL on February 23, 2012, 04:19:31 AM
The pool admin has advised me the database was deleted. 


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: Eveofwar on February 23, 2012, 05:11:47 AM
The pool admin has advised me the database was deleted. 

Aren't you the pool admin ?


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: A1BITCOINPOOL on February 23, 2012, 05:16:41 AM
I meant the server admin(the guy who set this up for me).


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: kano on February 23, 2012, 05:55:44 AM
...
caplepair I'm sure can recover the data. I highly doubt he deleted it all knowing about the issue at hand.

As far as recovering the database, it's not possible.  Whoever hacked the server changed the password to the database.  There is now way of getting in. 
So ... what was this all about ... ?
Someone changed their mind about the database being there.
Clearly someone somewhere is lying about the database or cablepair deleted it AFTER the hack ... well then that's even worse ...


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: A1BITCOINPOOL on February 23, 2012, 05:58:03 AM
Kano, how many shares did you mine at a1.


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: kano on February 23, 2012, 06:07:56 AM
Zero


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: Pontius on February 23, 2012, 07:28:35 AM
The pool admin has advised me the database was deleted. 

LOL. As I said before. What about the backup? What about the bin-logs?

Anyway, is there evidence for your assertion? How was the database deleted? Did the "hacker" drop the database? Did he delete the datafiles on the disk? Or did he remove the OS packages? What did your "admin" say about this?


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: A1BITCOINPOOL on February 23, 2012, 07:41:22 AM
I'm done responding to people who didn't mine a single share on this pool and have nothing better to do then try and turn this into a big mystery on what happenned.  I have explained this a million times.  If you think I'm lying then f@@k off.  I'm going to pay everyone on the list with the best information that I have and yes I really messed this up due to no programming experience and bad judgement.  I would have said something about the block being found earlier but it seems that anyone and everyone on this forum is just waiting to either label you as a scammer, thief, or try and tell you what you shouldn't do.  I can prove that I hired two people to try and fix this issue and I think one of them is the one that hacked the pool.   I have never met a bunch of people in my life who want everyone to fail for their own gain and because of this bitcoin will more then likely be nothing more then a failed attempt at something great.  What great community to participate in!


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: A1BITCOINPOOL on February 23, 2012, 07:45:05 AM
...
caplepair I'm sure can recover the data. I highly doubt he deleted it all knowing about the issue at hand.

As far as recovering the database, it's not possible.  Whoever hacked the server changed the password to the database.  There is now way of getting in. 
So ... what was this all about ... ?
Someone changed their mind about the database being there.
Clearly someone somewhere is lying about the database or cablepair deleted it AFTER the hack ... well then that's even worse ...

yeah something does not add up:(

Oh yea, the thing that doesnt add up is that you still owe me 14000 shares that you never completed. 


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: Pontius on February 23, 2012, 08:02:43 AM
[...] I have explained this a million times.  [...]

No, you have not explained anything yet. You've just stated "Uh, I've been hacked!" and provided lots of false information until your were proven wrong/lying.

Now you want to pay people using a ancient screenshot as a basis. This is ridiculous! Use your database for this until can prove how it was deleted and explain why you cannot use your backup/the bin-logs to recover it. All this you don't owe me but your miners!


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: dirtycat on February 23, 2012, 08:36:37 AM
i still havent been paid! where is my btc?


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: bulanula on February 23, 2012, 08:50:07 AM
i still havent been paid! where is my btc?

Same here.

0.93 to 1M1Eo8upubkEmCqmhnMvVMfEyQiYbCXxKS and we are even.

If people like kano and D&T ( that have NO stake in this at all but just want to troll the OP for his mistakes ) don't shut up and leave the OP to pay us then I will have them also partly to blame for not getting my damn $4 back :-\


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: martychubbs on February 23, 2012, 04:41:40 PM
I have not been paid yet, however, I was pleased to see A1 coming back to address complaints.   A1, you can use this 1JrooEdv9GUyrpky7Gb4h35RSgW8mYrRt9

So, I assume first payments are still being manually entered, ETA?

Thanks CP for helping A1 see the light!  A1, I bet you didn't know the trail you left would be used to verify your statements.  I, too, learned a few things during the process...

BTW, 1JrooEdv9GUyrpky7Gb4h35RSgW8mYrRt9 does not discriminate, please send a donation to help me expand my efforts to help the orphan kids of frigid, faraway Lower Slobbovia.

 


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: dirtycat on February 24, 2012, 01:27:04 AM
still no payment.. still no scammer tag..


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: legolouman on February 24, 2012, 02:58:17 AM
still no payment.. still no scammer tag..

SAME BRO


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: AniceInovation on February 24, 2012, 09:53:57 AM
I was paid twice. Been paid a total of 450000+250000 = 700 000 shares.
Last acess to his site i had 947604 valid shares, so he own me 247604 shares.

EDIT: i'm not counting the shares at the proportional pool, only at the PPS pool.


I see you are back.
Please pay 247604 shares to the BTC address you have payed before.

Thanks.


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: bulanula on February 24, 2012, 11:29:13 AM
still no payment.. still no scammer tag..

Same here :(

What is happening A1BITCOINPOOL ???


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: martychubbs on February 24, 2012, 05:57:01 PM
still no payment.. still no scammer tag..

Same here :(

What is happening A1BITCOINPOOL ???

Maybe he's waiting for payday?


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: someone703 on February 24, 2012, 08:52:56 PM
Nothing here either although he does show as having visited the forum each day that I've been checking as well.


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: dirtycat on February 25, 2012, 04:03:11 AM
Still no payment..  I checked and he still doesnt have a scammer tag.. and he logs in everyday...  better put a tag on him soon before he scams someone else.


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: sveetsnelda on February 25, 2012, 07:41:57 AM
The silence is deafening...  Where's my money?


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: heinz on February 25, 2012, 08:37:22 PM
Still waiting here too.


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: Maged on February 25, 2012, 08:38:09 PM
The silence is deafening...  Where's my money?
Not coming. The guy will be labeled as a scammer shortly. If you know any other accounts of his, let me know.


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: legolouman on February 25, 2012, 09:28:48 PM
The silence is deafening...  Where's my money?
Not coming. The guy will be labeled as a scammer shortly. If you know any other accounts of his, let me know.

Before the pool started, I mined for him while he tested things. The account he used was mu50stang


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: dirtycat on February 25, 2012, 10:56:44 PM
The silence is deafening...  Where's my money?
Not coming. The guy will be labeled as a scammer shortly. If you know any other accounts of his, let me know.

Before the pool started, I mined for him while he tested things. The account he used was mu50stang

+1 mu50stang


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: sveetsnelda on February 25, 2012, 11:07:39 PM
+2 mu50stang


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: bulanula on February 25, 2012, 11:53:47 PM
Damn it. So no $5 for me :'(

Well at least he got the SCAMMER tag. ::)


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: legolouman on February 26, 2012, 12:14:48 AM
Operation Get him a scammer tag was a success. I assume he can still redeem himself though?


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: bulanula on February 26, 2012, 12:17:19 AM
Operation Get him a scammer tag was a success. I assume he can still redeem himself though?

Yeah. Maybe once payday comes he decides to be a man and face up to his wrongs and pay us back, but I doubt it.

Strange way to lose your reputation for $5 :(


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: legolouman on February 26, 2012, 12:21:01 AM
Operation Get him a scammer tag was a success. I assume he can still redeem himself though?

Yeah. Maybe once payday comes he decides to be a man and face up to his wrongs and pay us back, but I doubt it.

Strange way to lose your reputation for $5 :(
I think he owes me more than $5 (I'm not positive, because despite advertising 120% PPS, I was apparently Prop mining?). It is quite silly, but if he made two blocks, that's 100BTC he made


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: Maged on February 26, 2012, 01:19:23 AM
Operation Get him a scammer tag was a success. I assume he can still redeem himself though?
Yes, if he pays out 20 BTC. However, don't get your hopes up - he already told me that he wouldn't.


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: terrytibbs on February 26, 2012, 01:40:01 AM
Operation Get him a scammer tag was a success. I assume he can still redeem himself though?
Yes, if he pays out 20 BTC. However, don't get your hopes up - he already told me that he wouldn't.
Hey, so did I; look at me now.


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: legolouman on February 26, 2012, 03:15:45 AM
Operation Get him a scammer tag was a success. I assume he can still redeem himself though?
Yes, if he pays out 20 BTC. However, don't get your hopes up - he already told me that he wouldn't.

Care to tell more of how that conversation went?



Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: dirtycat on February 26, 2012, 04:36:40 AM
Operation Get him a scammer tag was a success. I assume he can still redeem himself though?
Yes, if he pays out 20 BTC. However, don't get your hopes up - he already told me that he wouldn't.

Care to tell more of how that conversation went?



a1bitcoinpoolscammer: I am a loser who doesnt know how to take care of his obligations...  thanks for the bitcoin bitches
maged: ok



Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: Maged on February 26, 2012, 06:01:35 AM
Operation Get him a scammer tag was a success. I assume he can still redeem himself though?
Yes, if he pays out 20 BTC. However, don't get your hopes up - he already told me that he wouldn't.

Care to tell more of how that conversation went?
I can't disclose personal conversations. Sufficed to say, he decided that it was better to keep the bitcoins than to salvage his reputation.

At this point, it would be a good idea to try gathering any personal information you might have on this guy to see if you can get him to change his mind.


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: Raize on February 26, 2012, 06:05:43 AM
So is it true that he only owes about 20 BTC in total to the miners he scammed? Or is that just of the people that we know of?


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: Maged on February 26, 2012, 06:09:13 AM
So is it true that he only owes about 20 BTC in total to the miners he scammed? Or is that just of the people that we know of?
That's assuming his numbers were correct. Otherwise, it could be up to 120 btc. However, I suspect that it's closer to 20. If not 20, I doubt that it's higher than 40.


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: Raize on February 26, 2012, 06:18:06 AM
Can someone come up with an official number of who was scammed out of what amounts and put down the addresses that need to be compensated?

Please PM me when it has been done. Thanks.


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: legolouman on February 26, 2012, 07:41:50 AM
So is it true that he only owes about 20 BTC in total to the miners he scammed? Or is that just of the people that we know of?
That's assuming his numbers were correct. Otherwise, it could be up to 120 btc. However, I suspect that it's closer to 20. If not 20, I doubt that it's higher than 40.

Actually, it is closer to 40BTC, not including proportional miners. Or the block finding bonus.

Can someone come up with an official number of who was scammed out of what amounts and put down the addresses that need to be compensated?

Please PM me when it has been done. Thanks.

>Neglecting to see it says PM you when done.

Me - 100+ shares on prop
Bulanula - .93 BTC
martychubbs- 18.5K shares * 0.00004588
P4man - 129,484 shares on Prop
DirtyCat - 60,161 shares * 0.00004588
heinz - 500k+ shares * 0.00004588
AniceInovation - 200k shares * 0.00004588

I stopped looking on page 4, that's when everyone started pointing fingers.


Did the math, it came to like 36.65496668 (total for everyone)
That doesn't include the prop miners
Remember that two blocks were found, and that means prop miner's should be compensated for two blocks.
PS - The block Finding bonus of 20BTC



Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: Raize on February 26, 2012, 08:00:48 AM
Me - 100+ shares on prop
Bulanula - .93 BTC
martychubbs- 18.5K shares * 0.00004588
P4man - 129,484 shares on Prop
DirtyCat - 60,161 shares * 0.00004588
heinz - 500k+ shares * 0.00004588
AniceInovation - 200k shares * 0.00004588

I just sent you 37 BTC @ 1DnJwqQN5HqE4t687yq3PsgbiJ2TUKaLp3, please handle this by giving out appropriately to the affected individuals.

My request is that everyone who was scammed honor my donation here by mining on P2Pool and to encourage all future miners mine on P2Pool instead of these obscure pools that attempt to scam you. This is for the betterment of Bitcoin as a whole, thanks.


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: legolouman on February 26, 2012, 08:04:34 AM
Me - 100+ shares on prop
Bulanula - .93 BTC
martychubbs- 18.5K shares * 0.00004588
P4man - 129,484 shares on Prop
DirtyCat - 60,161 shares * 0.00004588
heinz - 500k+ shares * 0.00004588
AniceInovation - 200k shares * 0.00004588

I just sent you 37 BTC @ 1DnJwqQN5HqE4t687yq3PsgbiJ2TUKaLp3, please handle this by giving out appropriately to the affected individuals.

My request is that everyone who was scammed honor my donation here by mining on P2Pool and to encourage all future miners mine on P2Pool instead of these obscure pools that attempt to scam you. This is for the betterment of Bitcoin as a whole, thanks.

That is entirely generous. I'll start sending the coin out. I don't know how to thank you on behalf of us all. Truly amazing.


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: legolouman on February 26, 2012, 08:16:46 AM
I guess that this could be done in a new thread, or an edit or something. I just want this all publicized... I'm PM'ing everyone that was recognized as scammed, and that Raize donated to.


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: someone703 on February 26, 2012, 08:31:24 AM
legolouman - 100+ shares on prop
Bulanula - .93 BTC
martychubbs- 18.5K shares * 0.00004588
P4man - 129,484 shares on Prop
DirtyCat - 60,161 shares * 0.00004588
heinz - 500k+ shares * 0.00004588
AniceInovation - 200k shares * 0.00004588
someone703 - 20k shares * 0.00004588


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: dirtycat on February 26, 2012, 09:20:23 AM
Me - 100+ shares on prop
Bulanula - .93 BTC
martychubbs- 18.5K shares * 0.00004588
P4man - 129,484 shares on Prop
DirtyCat - 60,161 shares * 0.00004588
heinz - 500k+ shares * 0.00004588
AniceInovation - 200k shares * 0.00004588

I just sent you 37 BTC @ 1DnJwqQN5HqE4t687yq3PsgbiJ2TUKaLp3, please handle this by giving out appropriately to the affected individuals.

My request is that everyone who was scammed honor my donation here by mining on P2Pool and to encourage all future miners mine on P2Pool instead of these obscure pools that attempt to scam you. This is for the betterment of Bitcoin as a whole, thanks.

Im speechless!


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: bulanula on February 26, 2012, 11:59:35 AM
Thank you very much to Raize for the generous donation and for legolouman and everyone for compiling the data together.

I never thought I was going to get my $5 back ...

Thank you again and for me it is lesson learned : I will start learning all I can about P2Pool so we can be sure none of this ever happens again and Bitcoin can succeed and not succumb to greedy pool operators and the like.

Thank you again Raize and legolouman and P2Pool FTW !


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: Clipse on February 26, 2012, 12:01:40 PM
I was pondering over being the thread hero and reimbursing those who lost coins, guess I took too long to put on my cape :/

Good job Raize


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: jake262144 on February 26, 2012, 01:54:50 PM
So the scammer-bitch ran? No surprise here...

I really think bitcointalk's terms of service should sanction IP-address ban against such individuals as A1BITCOINPOOL/Mu50stang if static IP address is being used:
"Circumventing user account ban may result in IP address ban where applicable." or something the like.

I'm fully aware this approach won't fully protect the general public from A1's upcoming scams but it would at least be some form of defense/sanction against him.


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: Turbor on February 26, 2012, 03:19:10 PM
People like Inaba or Meni warned him when he started A1. Now he's complaining about the scammer tag. He had plenty of time to come clean. On top of not paying his miners he is calling other pool operators idiots... that's lowest behavior.


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: crosby on February 26, 2012, 03:52:31 PM

legolouman - 100+ shares on prop
Bulanula - .93 BTC
martychubbs- 18.5K shares * 0.00004588
P4man - 129,484 shares on Prop
DirtyCat - 60,161 shares * 0.00004588
heinz - 500k+ shares * 0.00004588
AniceInovation - 200k shares * 0.00004588
someone703 - 20k shares * 0.00004588
crosby - 30,000+ shares * 0.000043489



I`ve added myself to the list too as I lost over 30,000 shares to A1bitcoin. I`ve patiently and politely PMd the pool operator more then once, only to be ignored.

As I stated in a PM to him, I would be happy with just 1 BTC.

Thanks


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: rjk on February 26, 2012, 04:57:52 PM
I'm not actually sure how to calculate my shares, I mined just over 30k shares on prop.

1PBmXeT9JGuguyB1TLHQ1vUacHVf8pzfEf

I was `iCanHazHash` as per saved google page. You can donate my share to P2Pool miners though.


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: P4man on February 26, 2012, 05:01:58 PM
You can donate my share to P2Pool miners though.

Same here


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: martychubbs on February 26, 2012, 05:43:21 PM
Can you believe this?  The thread is crazy ugly for A1 and he flakes again.  FREAK!

A1, are you going to pay?  When?

CP, are you still setting up another pool for this joker?   


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: Raize on February 26, 2012, 06:36:52 PM
I was pondering over being the thread hero and reimbursing those who lost coins, guess I took too long to put on my cape :/

There are probably some people that haven't yet explained they were scammed, I would recommend that we let the guys that compile the info determine how they are going to do the reimbursements.


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: Clipse on February 26, 2012, 06:40:58 PM
I was pondering over being the thread hero and reimbursing those who lost coins, guess I took too long to put on my cape :/

There are probably some people that haven't yet explained they were scammed, I would recommend that we let the guys that compile the info determine how they are going to do the reimbursements.

The biggest problem right now is that its wide open for anyone who didnt even mine to claim they need payment, so its possibly a scam turning into another scam.


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: legolouman on February 26, 2012, 08:26:20 PM
I was pondering over being the thread hero and reimbursing those who lost coins, guess I took too long to put on my cape :/

There are probably some people that haven't yet explained they were scammed, I would recommend that we let the guys that compile the info determine how they are going to do the reimbursements.

The biggest problem right now is that its wide open for anyone who didnt even mine to claim they need payment, so its possibly a scam turning into another scam.

I've created a new thread to help with this confusion.

Everyone, please come and post in this thread

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=66387.0


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: Maged on February 27, 2012, 12:45:21 AM
For the purposes of removing the scammer tag, Raize just bought up to 37 BTC of A1BitcoinPool's debt. A1BitcoinPool, if you would like to settle this, you may now communicate with Raize. If you two come to a settlement, we can remove the scammer tag. If Raize doesn't cooperate, sending him 37 BTC will also count as a full and final settlement.


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: pirateat40 on February 27, 2012, 12:46:53 AM
For the purposes of removing the scammer tag, Raize just bought up to 37 BTC of A1BitcoinPool's debt. A1BitcoinPool, if you would like to settle this, you may now communicate with Raize. If you two come to a settlement, we can remove the scammer tag. If Raize doesn't cooperate, sending him 37 BTC will also count as a full and final settlement.

In true debt collection fashion, A1BitcoinPool would need to pay a little more to Raize to clear is name.  Agreed?


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: Starlightbreaker on February 27, 2012, 12:51:31 AM
30% for "covering-your-ass fee" is a pretty good amount.  :P


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: legolouman on February 27, 2012, 12:56:49 AM
Just want to let you guys know, that A1B is being quite helpful in helping resolve any issues I'm finding with who is owed what.


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: Maged on February 27, 2012, 01:02:40 AM
For the purposes of removing the scammer tag, Raize just bought up to 37 BTC of A1BitcoinPool's debt. A1BitcoinPool, if you would like to settle this, you may now communicate with Raize. If you two come to a settlement, we can remove the scammer tag. If Raize doesn't cooperate, sending him 37 BTC will also count as a full and final settlement.

In true debt collection fashion, A1BitcoinPool would need to pay a little more to Raize to clear is name.  Agreed?
Nope. If this was true debt collection, Raize would have bought the debt from each person for less than 3.7 BTC total.

Also, doing that would be bad precedent. If anyone is accused of being a scammer, someone else could just come in, pay everyone what the scammer owes them, and demand more money from the scammer - all without making an agreement with anyone.


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: pirateat40 on February 27, 2012, 01:08:52 AM
For the purposes of removing the scammer tag, Raize just bought up to 37 BTC of A1BitcoinPool's debt. A1BitcoinPool, if you would like to settle this, you may now communicate with Raize. If you two come to a settlement, we can remove the scammer tag. If Raize doesn't cooperate, sending him 37 BTC will also count as a full and final settlement.

In true debt collection fashion, A1BitcoinPool would need to pay a little more to Raize to clear is name.  Agreed?
Nope. If this was true debt collection, Raize would have bought the debt from each person for less than 3.7 BTC total.

Also, doing that would be bad precedent. If anyone is accused of being a scammer, someone else could just come in, pay everyone what the scammer owes them, and demand more money from the scammer - all without making an agreement with anyone.

Right but on the flip side, I could jump ship (no pun), let someone cover the debt for me, pay them the original amount in a month or more and restore my title.  Seems like a mess waiting to happen to me.  :o


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: Clipse on February 27, 2012, 01:16:03 AM
I think these scams/problems/hacks you name it, just shows how long btc still have to go for human stability ignoring the market prices.


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: Maged on February 27, 2012, 01:26:29 AM
For the purposes of removing the scammer tag, Raize just bought up to 37 BTC of A1BitcoinPool's debt. A1BitcoinPool, if you would like to settle this, you may now communicate with Raize. If you two come to a settlement, we can remove the scammer tag. If Raize doesn't cooperate, sending him 37 BTC will also count as a full and final settlement.

In true debt collection fashion, A1BitcoinPool would need to pay a little more to Raize to clear is name.  Agreed?
Nope. If this was true debt collection, Raize would have bought the debt from each person for less than 3.7 BTC total.

Also, doing that would be bad precedent. If anyone is accused of being a scammer, someone else could just come in, pay everyone what the scammer owes them, and demand more money from the scammer - all without making an agreement with anyone.

Right but on the flip side, I could jump ship (no pun), let someone cover the debt for me, pay them the original amount in a month or more and restore my title.  Seems like a mess waiting to happen to me.  :o
I agree, but it's our current policy based on precedent (see: terrytibbs). If you have any idea of how it could be handled differently, please be sure to bring it up in Meta.

My offer to remove the tag is for a limited time only. Let's just say one week from now. After that, we might still do it, but it'll depend on our policy at the time as well as individual factors.

Also, as of now, 38.0094954 BTC has been claimed, so, A1BitcoinPool is liable for 1.0094954 BTC in addition to the 37 BTC from Raize. Of course, A1BitcoinPool may dispute these claims.


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: kano on February 27, 2012, 03:33:12 AM
So - the 2 Prop blocks were paid out to everyone who Prop mined?


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: Inaba on February 27, 2012, 04:39:02 AM
I'm in for prop payments!


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: someone703 on February 27, 2012, 05:13:04 AM
So - the 2 Prop blocks were paid out to everyone who Prop mined?

Nope, someone else stepped in and paid on his behalf so there's a smaller lump sum to pay out to all those who lost out in some way apparently.


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: Raize on February 27, 2012, 05:25:11 AM
I have three primary reasons for doing this:

1) To advertise for P2Pool, where I presently do most of my mining.
2) To warn new miners who browse these forums and get them to reconsider joining smaller pools and pools that offer weird payout mechanisms or ridiculous PPS rates.
3) Solving a curiosity of mine with regards to how many people get scammed and remain quiet about it on behalf of the scammer, hoping to work out a deal where they can quietly get paid. I might actually write an article about it sometime. I think a great deal of people are quiet about being scammed when they shouldn't be.


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: kano on February 27, 2012, 06:50:44 AM
I have three primary reasons for doing this:

1) To advertise for P2Pool, where I presently do most of my mining.
2) To warn new miners who browse these forums and get them to reconsider joining smaller pools and pools that offer weird payout mechanisms or ridiculous PPS rates.
3) Solving a curiosity of mine with regards to how many people get scammed and remain quiet about it on behalf of the scammer, hoping to work out a deal where they can quietly get paid. I might actually write an article about it sometime. I think a great deal of people are quiet about being scammed when they shouldn't be.
Ignoring 3) ...

P2Pool would die if everyone switched to it - the current code probably cannot handle 1TH - but it would certainly kill off every small miner around

The person who ran this pool was already known to be a pool failure yet people mined it - the failure here was that information being ignored, not that it was non-p2pool.

I do find this regular "Normal pools are evil go to P2Pool" rather annoying actually - since that would (as mentioned above) kill Bitcoin also if all the non-p2pools shut down.
I still will not mine on P2Pool due to this attempted scare tactics being used sometimes in this forum.


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: jake262144 on February 27, 2012, 10:28:45 AM
I still will not mine on P2Pool due to this attempted scare tactics being used sometimes in this forum.
Do you know that mining on p2pool requires no trust whatsoever as to what the pool op might be doing with your hash rate behind your back.
You're running your own bitcoind what makes you the pool op as far as share/block generation is concerned.
The only part still requiring a degree of trust is splitting the block reward fairly.
You do see the benefits, right?

I do agree that we're better off with many competing miner-smart pools instead of one ginormous p2pool.
The old (miner-dumb) model should eventually die out, just as proportional payout scheme seems to be doing now.
Scare tactics - let's just call it aggressive marketing, ok Kano the Unyielding? :D


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: Maged on February 27, 2012, 05:12:01 PM
I would also like a solution to this and will pay a large amount for it.
Oh, really? Has anyone suggested making more than one P2Pool? The splitting could all be handled in the same software, so they don't need to compete with each other for users. A split would hurt variance, but if you make it only happen when the pool reaches the edge of how far it can scale, the variance loss shouldn't be all that bad. A neat side-effect of this: the more times you split, the less variance you lose, since the software should automatically re-balance each instance.


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: DeathAndTaxes on February 27, 2012, 06:38:58 PM
I do find this regular "Normal pools are evil go to P2Pool" rather annoying actually - since that would (as mentioned above) kill Bitcoin also if all the non-p2pools shut down.
I still will not mine on P2Pool due to this attempted scare tactics being used sometimes in this forum.

p2pool today would fail but so would trying to run a 9TH/s pool using first version of pool backend.

p2pool can (and likely will need to) be extended to form a p2pool backbone operating at very high difficulty but lower than block difficulty.  It would need a longer LP target time and that means even higher difficulty.  At 5TH/s and a 30 second target time the backone would have a dynamic difficulty of ~35,000. 

With difficulty of 35K the only entities that could connect to p2pool backbone (with reasonable variance) would be major hashing farms, current solo miners, conventional pools, and "sub-p2pools".

Smaller miners could join (either manually or via a pool selection protocol) sub-p2pools which operate at a smaller target window and lower difficulty.  Miners would get credit for sub-p2pool shares which would update their "local" share-chain.  When a miner finds a p2pool-backbone difficulty share it would be submitted up to the p2pool-backbone and that would update the p2pool-backbone level share chain.    When any entity finds the block it would have the current p2pool-backbone sharechain reward split and that would include all subp2pools which submitted 1+ shares in last 24 hours.

So yes p2pool could with improvement support all bitcoin mining in a decentralized fashion.


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: DeathAndTaxes on February 27, 2012, 06:46:09 PM
You are right about p2pool not being able to take on the whole network. I would also like a solution to this and will pay a large amount for it. A whole new p2p system from scratch would be the best way to go.

See my post above but a whole new p2pool system would be neither desirable nor necessary.  Currently p2pool doesn't have the hashpower to make more complex system necessary.

In time organically p2pool hashrate will rise and with it the difficulty.  At that point a p2pool could be forked to have a longer share window.  This would increase the difficulty even higher.  That is all that is necessary to form a p2pool backbone.   

If subpoools are ready to form & connect at this point smaller miners would simply create/join a subp2pool.  Existing pools could already be part of backbone and would now just be operating at a higher difficulty level.

Rebuilding from scratch isn't a good idea. 

Really to support a backbone & sub pool model only two things need to change:
1) The backbone p2pool needs a larger share window.  This is because LP at the sub pool level will be based on LP both internally AND at the backbone.  With 10 sec on the backbone and 10 sec locally that will make LP interval too small.  This is a simple step (difficulty is simply increased by the multiple of window size) but shouldn't be done until sub p2pools are ready.

2) The current protocol is limited to 1 share = 1 address.  However a sub-p2pool (or conventional pool wanted to provide transparency) would want 1 share split among multiple users.  So the protocol would need to understand 1 share = n addresses.  This change is latent so could happen at any time.


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: kano on February 27, 2012, 08:35:40 PM
...
2) The current protocol is limited to 1 share = 1 address.  However a sub-p2pool (or conventional pool wanted to provide transparency) would want 1 share split among multiple users.  So the protocol would need to understand 1 share = n addresses.  This change is latent so could happen at any time.

Don't forget the block coinbase micro payments that p2pool represents.
The block-chain bloat, if everyone was using p2pool, would be enormous.
Again, the little guy.
Standard pools resolve that well.


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: DeathAndTaxes on February 27, 2012, 08:37:55 PM
...
2) The current protocol is limited to 1 share = 1 address.  However a sub-p2pool (or conventional pool wanted to provide transparency) would want 1 share split among multiple users.  So the protocol would need to understand 1 share = n addresses.  This change is latent so could happen at any time.

Don't forget the block coinbase micro payments that p2pool represents.
The block-chain bloat, if everyone was using p2pool, would be enormous.
Again, the little guy.
Standard pools resolve that well.

Standard pools do serve a purpose (they can also provide alternative payment methods).  Standard pools with a p2pool backend and transparent accounting could allow miners to verify that their work isn't being diverted for malicious purposes.  There are alternative methods to accomplish this but other than about the 4 or 5 top pools most pools would benefit from the reduced variance of p2pool as a backend which makes smaller independent "conventional" pools more viable.


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: legolouman on February 27, 2012, 08:55:42 PM
Hi all, I'm finalizing info for payment. If anyone was not paid, and is not on the list, let me know.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=66387.0


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: DeathAndTaxes on February 28, 2012, 01:54:19 AM
@ Maged and DandT,

I think in the long run it would be nice to have an extra p2p system because there are weaknesses in the p2pool. One known is that the payments could potentially not be sent out to the miners. If that was hijacked p2pool dies...

What?  There is nothing to hijack and there is no way to avoid payments.  Payments are part of the coinbase of the block and made directly to each miner.  At all times all miners in p2pool are hashing a block header based on this payment list which is updated in realtime.  Anyone hashing something different will have their shares rejected by p2pool.

You can't avoid getting a payment for valid shares at the time a block is found and nobody could prevent them from going out.

For example if a block was found right now the payments would be:
http://p2pool.info/ (click on current payouts)

Here is a recent block
http://blockchain.info/block-index/185171/0000000000000b35c36cf56dc586df8f3756a566c0258b5190534492adece9bb

Notice the coinbase.  It has payment directly to every miner based on the # of shares they submitted in the prior 24 hours.


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: DeathAndTaxes on February 28, 2012, 02:09:29 AM
I could have been misinformed but I thought there was the potential that someone had the ability to make it so the BTC was not paid out. I read that somewhere however it could have been FUD. I will try to find more information about it.

It is FUD.  Unlike a conventional pool where coinbase has the pool's reward address and thus generated coins go there to be divided up among miners in p2pool the coinbase has the reward split.  If you have 10% of p2pool hashing power then (subject to variance) you will have submitted 10% of shares in last 24 hours thus have 10% of shares in the share chain thus whatever miner finds the block will have 5 BTC reward (10% of block) going directly to your payment address.


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: terrytibbs on February 28, 2012, 02:29:56 AM
I could have been misinformed but I thought there was the potential that someone had the ability to make it so the BTC was not paid out. I read that somewhere however it could have been FUD. I will try to find more information about it.

It is FUD.  Unlike a conventional pool where coinbase has the pool's reward address and thus generated coins go there to be divided up among miners in p2pool the coinbase has the reward split.  If you have 10% of p2pool hashing power then (subject to variance) you will have submitted 10% of shares in last 24 hours thus have 10% of shares in the share chain thus whatever miner finds the block will have 5 BTC reward (10% of block) going directly to your payment address.

Oh, I think it was the miner who solved the block could have just kept the info making it so no one got the payment. Sorry, I was a bit off on that. My mistake.
This is true. D&T is incorrect.


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: kano on February 28, 2012, 02:34:20 AM
@ Maged and DandT,

I think in the long run it would be nice to have an extra p2p system because there are weaknesses in the p2pool. One known is that the payments could potentially not be sent out to the miners. If that was hijacked p2pool dies...

Also there might be weaknesses that are unknown. I do not think we need a second p2p option right away but I would like to have one ready because p2p will only make us stronger.

p2pool is great and I love it, just think in 3 or 4 years there will be at least 3 p2p options. I might be wrong, time will tell.
I will firstly correct what I guess people might think I have clearly shown as my ideals on the P2Pool issue :)

No I do not think the P2Pool concept is bad.

The concept is very good and definitely is in line with the ideal of a distributed transaction system.

It has problems and they will hopefully be overcome ...

However, it is missing some VERY important things that Bitcoin itself obviously has.
Design, technical documentation ... and understanding.

When I first heard about p2pool as an actual pool worth considering
(no doubt I had heard of it before that but had dismissed it due to not knowing anything about it)
I asked forrestv about documentation and some issues I thought up with it straight away.

His answers were far from satisfactory and the web site documentation at that stage was below beginner level in technical content.
So I decided I'd need to read the code to get anywhere near to being happy with using it ...
To get a technical understanding of how P2Pool works at the moment seems to be to read reams of regularly changing python code.
... I've still not done that ... too much effort ...

My issue is simple, you can't hack something onto Bitcoin and expect people to be happy with it without providing some good technical details about how the important parts of it work.

Thus when I see the few zealots calling all pools bad and that everyone must move to P2Pool since it is safer and better ... I but laugh at their ignorance ... their ignorance being how little they know about the technical details of P2Pool itself (which I certainly do not know a lot about either)
P2Pool is definitely not up to the 'Sotoshi' standard for Bitcoin and definitely needs to be there well before it becomes any sort of standard for Bitcoin mining.


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: DeathAndTaxes on February 28, 2012, 03:16:14 AM
I could have been misinformed but I thought there was the potential that someone had the ability to make it so the BTC was not paid out. I read that somewhere however it could have been FUD. I will try to find more information about it.

It is FUD.  Unlike a conventional pool where coinbase has the pool's reward address and thus generated coins go there to be divided up among miners in p2pool the coinbase has the reward split.  If you have 10% of p2pool hashing power then (subject to variance) you will have submitted 10% of shares in last 24 hours thus have 10% of shares in the share chain thus whatever miner finds the block will have 5 BTC reward (10% of block) going directly to your payment address.

Oh, I think it was the miner who solved the block could have just kept the info making it so no one got the payment. Sorry, I was a bit off on that. My mistake.

Which is no different than any other pool.  p2pool give a finders bonus/fee so the finder would be reducing their own income and giving up finders fee. 


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: DeathAndTaxes on February 28, 2012, 03:20:12 AM
I could have been misinformed but I thought there was the potential that someone had the ability to make it so the BTC was not paid out. I read that somewhere however it could have been FUD. I will try to find more information about it.

It is FUD.  Unlike a conventional pool where coinbase has the pool's reward address and thus generated coins go there to be divided up among miners in p2pool the coinbase has the reward split.  If you have 10% of p2pool hashing power then (subject to variance) you will have submitted 10% of shares in last 24 hours thus have 10% of shares in the share chain thus whatever miner finds the block will have 5 BTC reward (10% of block) going directly to your payment address.

Oh, I think it was the miner who solved the block could have just kept the info making it so no one got the payment. Sorry, I was a bit off on that. My mistake.
This is true AND D&T is correct.

FTFY

He stated someone could hijack payments.  That is impossible.

Sure any miner on any pool (including p2pool) can withhold a block.  p2pool is no different than Deepbit in this respect.  p2pool does give a bonus to the miner who solves the block so a miner would be losing his fair share plus finder fee by withholding the block.


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: terrytibbs on February 28, 2012, 03:28:33 AM
This is true AND D&T is correct.

FTFY

He stated someone could hijack payments.  That is impossible.

Sure any miner on any pool (including p2pool) can withhold a block.  p2pool is no different than Deepbit in this respect.  p2pool does give a bonus to the miner who solves the block so a miner would be losing his fair share plus finder fee by withholding the block.
Really, D&T? Hijack payments = "someone had the ability to make it so the BTC was not paid out"?


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: DeathAndTaxes on February 28, 2012, 03:43:26 AM
This is true AND D&T is correct.

FTFY

He stated someone could hijack payments.  That is impossible.

Sure any miner on any pool (including p2pool) can withhold a block.  p2pool is no different than Deepbit in this respect.  p2pool does give a bonus to the miner who solves the block so a miner would be losing his fair share plus finder fee by withholding the block.
Really, D&T? Hijack payments = "someone had the ability to make it so the BTC was not paid out"?

Hijack implies the attacker gains something.  In this case the attacker loses just as much as everyone else in the pool (actually more because attacker also loses block finder reward).    Even in a block witholding the attacker can only withold his blocks.  He can't disrupt share-chain, or prevent other blocks from being sent to the network.  The share chain will remain valid and everyone will be paid on the next block.  p2pool now has >270GH/s.  Attacker would need 2.7 GH/s to reduce payment by 1%. 

Once again exactly like every single pool since pooled mining began.  pps pools are far more vulnerable to share witholding due to the fact that attacker can attack for free.


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: terrytibbs on February 28, 2012, 03:50:29 AM
This is true AND D&T is correct.

FTFY

He stated someone could hijack payments.  That is impossible.

Sure any miner on any pool (including p2pool) can withhold a block.  p2pool is no different than Deepbit in this respect.  p2pool does give a bonus to the miner who solves the block so a miner would be losing his fair share plus finder fee by withholding the block.
Really, D&T? Hijack payments = "someone had the ability to make it so the BTC was not paid out"?

Hijack implies the attacker gains something.  In this case the attacker loses just as much as everyone else in the pool (actually more because attacker also loses block finder reward).    Even in a block witholding the attacker can only withold his blocks.  He can't disrupt share-chain, or prevent other blocks from being sent to the network.  The share chain will remain valid and everyone will be paid on the next block.  p2pool now has >270GH/s.  Attacker would need 2.7 GH/s to reduce payment by 1%. 

Once again exactly like every single pool since pooled mining began.  pps pools are far more vulnerable to share witholding due to the fact that attacker can attack for free.
I completely agree. You're the one who used the phrase "hijack". Goat said "someone had the ability to make it so the BTC was not paid out."


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: DeathAndTaxes on February 28, 2012, 04:07:30 AM
This is true AND D&T is correct.

FTFY

He stated someone could hijack payments.  That is impossible.

Sure any miner on any pool (including p2pool) can withhold a block.  p2pool is no different than Deepbit in this respect.  p2pool does give a bonus to the miner who solves the block so a miner would be losing his fair share plus finder fee by withholding the block.
Really, D&T? Hijack payments = "someone had the ability to make it so the BTC was not paid out"?

Hijack implies the attacker gains something.  In this case the attacker loses just as much as everyone else in the pool (actually more because attacker also loses block finder reward).    Even in a block witholding the attacker can only withold his blocks.  He can't disrupt share-chain, or prevent other blocks from being sent to the network.  The share chain will remain valid and everyone will be paid on the next block.  p2pool now has >270GH/s.  Attacker would need 2.7 GH/s to reduce payment by 1%. 

Once again exactly like every single pool since pooled mining began.  pps pools are far more vulnerable to share witholding due to the fact that attacker can attack for free.
I completely agree. You're the one who used the phrase "hijack". Goat said "someone had the ability to make it so the BTC was not paid out."

I stand humbled. 

Maybe I was overzealous.

To avoid any FUD:
a) a miner can withhold a block solving share in p2pool.
b) this will reduce all miner's average reward (including attacker) by the % of hash power the "bad miner" has relative to p2pool.
c) this same vulnerability ("share withholding attack") exists and has existed in every single pool since the dawn of pooled mining.


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: Raize on February 29, 2012, 05:01:52 AM
Yeah, sorry, I didn't intend for this thread to turn into a P2Pool evangelism thread. I just prefer P2Pool, and I think it is easy enough to set up that even newbies can do it. Especially with CGMiner being what it is, you can set a backup to another pool. There's really no reason to mine on scam pools, especially with non-established pool operators. I spent about $200 to make this point, so I want to reiterate that it is about improving Bitcoin mining strategy and use in general, not about trying to force P2Pool on people, sorry if it came off that way.

The only other thing I will say is "ditto what Death and Taxes said on this point specifically:
Quote
c) this same vulnerability ("share withholding attack") exists and has existed in every single pool since the dawn of pooled mining.

It *is* a reason not to mine on P2Pool, but when you consider that this same problem has pretty much existed since the start of pooled mining, you'll realize there's not many ways in the immediate future that this can be taken advantage of.


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: martychubbs on March 01, 2012, 08:41:36 PM
he never paid, did he?  Wow...


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: someone703 on March 01, 2012, 09:48:56 PM
Think it was stated by a mod a few days ago that he said he wasn't intending to pay.

Someone else stepped forward on his behalf (sort of) and offered a chunk of BTC to cover it.


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: legolouman on March 02, 2012, 01:42:22 AM
he never paid, did he?  Wow...

Marty, I need your address if you want me to send your money.

Thanks.


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: Raize on March 02, 2012, 04:25:54 AM
Yeah, guys, please contact legolouman for your payment.

If A1Bitcoin wants to remove his scammer tag he could do so by resolving matters with me.


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: martychubbs on March 02, 2012, 03:14:59 PM
Thanks everyone, getting paid was a blessing and we have helped BTC's image...awesome mining community... with one less jerk!

Thanks Rz, Llm, B, M and all the rest!  Sorry for promoting the pool and the pushing the api cfg's...  

"There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again." —GWB

p2p FTW!


Title: Re: A1BitcoinPool Complaint
Post by: Raize on May 10, 2012, 02:39:15 AM
UPDATE: This situation has been resolved and A1BitcoinPool has paid in full:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=66387.msg891378#msg891378