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Title: Investing Bitcoins?
Post by: perdomwx on June 15, 2014, 07:00:10 PM
I have a couple of Bitcoins under my possession and I was wondering what are the best methods for investing them besides holding them? Thanks!


Title: Re: Investing Bitcoins?
Post by: jonsi on June 15, 2014, 10:02:00 PM
The most secure way to gain from having bitcoins, with no risk at all is to lend them on bitfinex.com.
Use the code 5l4wLVc4LW when making a new account for a 10% discount on all fees.


Title: Re: Investing Bitcoins?
Post by: debuni on June 15, 2014, 10:30:54 PM
You could also check sites like Just-dice.com and other similar reputable ones.

JD is reporting a nice ROI for similar stable site.

But keep in mind that there is always a risk in any investment...


Title: Re: Investing Bitcoins?
Post by: ShakyhandsBTCer on June 15, 2014, 10:56:47 PM
bitcoin is deflationary so you will always have an incentive to hold them, hoping the price will increase.


Title: Re: Investing Bitcoins?
Post by: burnettm on June 15, 2014, 11:41:16 PM
bitcoin is deflationary so you will always have an incentive to hold them, hoping the price will increase.
Holy shit, you're from the 22nd century when bitcoin ran out of blocks to mine?


Title: Re: Investing Bitcoins?
Post by: perdomwx on June 16, 2014, 01:45:25 AM
The most secure way to gain from having bitcoins, with no risk at all is to lend them on bitfinex.com.
Use the code 5l4wLVc4LW when making a new account for a 10% discount on all fees.
Do you have a guide on the lending process? The website is confusing with all the investing jargon.


Title: Re: Investing Bitcoins?
Post by: jonsi on June 16, 2014, 11:12:35 AM
The most secure way to gain from having bitcoins, with no risk at all is to lend them on bitfinex.com.
Use the code 5l4wLVc4LW when making a new account for a 10% discount on all fees.
Do you have a guide on the lending process? The website is confusing with all the investing jargon.


     After you get use to it it's quite simple. On the total return swaps (the lending part of the site) you select usd, btc or ltc and go to Offer swap. There you set the period in days, the rate you want to lend funds for (in precentages per day) and the amount you are offering and then click offer swaps to post your offer.
It's useful to use the autorenew function too, witch automaticly post your offer with your terms. You also have the Flash Return Rate (if you press options) witch is a variable interest rate based on the demand and offer. This would be the basics you need to know to get started.
     Also you have three wallets, coresponding with the three sections of the site, so first you need to transfer funds in the coresponding wallet. For the lending part the wallet is "deposit". For transfering funds between wallets you go to "Manage Wallets".


Title: Re: Investing Bitcoins?
Post by: itod on June 16, 2014, 01:44:08 PM
The most secure way to gain from having bitcoins, with no risk at all is to lend them on bitfinex.com.

What's the average monthly return on these coins?


Title: Re: Investing Bitcoins?
Post by: davien on June 16, 2014, 03:53:38 PM
bitfinex.com is a good choice. but you should hold them, as the market moves,its going to be better.


Title: Re: Investing Bitcoins?
Post by: ShakyhandsBTCer on June 16, 2014, 05:45:31 PM
The most secure way to gain from having bitcoins, with no risk at all is to lend them on bitfinex.com.
Use the code 5l4wLVc4LW when making a new account for a 10% discount on all fees.
Do you have a guide on the lending process? The website is confusing with all the investing jargon.

It is impossible to not have any risk if you are lending.


Title: Re: Investing Bitcoins?
Post by: jonsi on June 16, 2014, 11:27:51 PM
The most secure way to gain from having bitcoins, with no risk at all is to lend them on bitfinex.com.
Use the code 5l4wLVc4LW when making a new account for a 10% discount on all fees.
Do you have a guide on the lending process? The website is confusing with all the investing jargon.

It is impossible to not have any risk if you are lending.

You are paying 15% of your interest for insurance of the funds, so it's not imposible.


Title: Re: Investing Bitcoins?
Post by: AdamSmith on June 16, 2014, 11:53:16 PM
The most secure way to gain from having bitcoins, with no risk at all is to lend them on bitfinex.com.
Use the code 5l4wLVc4LW when making a new account for a 10% discount on all fees.
Do you have a guide on the lending process? The website is confusing with all the investing jargon.

It is impossible to not have any risk if you are lending.

This.

All exchanges run the risk of owner run away with customer money or claim hacked.


Title: Re: Investing Bitcoins?
Post by: Harley997 on June 16, 2014, 11:57:20 PM
The most secure way to gain from having bitcoins, with no risk at all is to lend them on bitfinex.com.
Use the code 5l4wLVc4LW when making a new account for a 10% discount on all fees.
Do you have a guide on the lending process? The website is confusing with all the investing jargon.

It is impossible to not have any risk if you are lending.

You are paying 15% of your interest for insurance of the funds, so it's not imposible.

Your statement is not correct.

You are implying that you are purchasing insurance against the default of the borrower, but even this is not risk free, you are only mitigating the risk.


Title: Re: Investing Bitcoins?
Post by: jonsi on June 17, 2014, 12:51:56 AM
The most secure way to gain from having bitcoins, with no risk at all is to lend them on bitfinex.com.
Use the code 5l4wLVc4LW when making a new account for a 10% discount on all fees.
Do you have a guide on the lending process? The website is confusing with all the investing jargon.

It is impossible to not have any risk if you are lending.

You are paying 15% of your interest for insurance of the funds, so it's not imposible.

Your statement is not correct.

You are implying that you are purchasing insurance against the default of the borrower, but even this is not risk free, you are only mitigating the risk.


The borrower can't default. He can't take take your bitcoins or fiat and leave. He is just using it for margin trading and he will get his position close when he is aproaching the margin limit. The insurance is in case of a sudden spike or drop in the price and the platform could not react in time to close his position so it will cover the eventual loss.


Title: Re: Investing Bitcoins?
Post by: acs267 on June 17, 2014, 12:59:06 AM
Trading. People easily make tons of money by trading, or investing in a site.


Title: Re: Investing Bitcoins?
Post by: coinarch on June 17, 2014, 01:24:38 AM
I have a couple of Bitcoins under my possession and I was wondering what are the best methods for investing them besides holding them? Thanks!

Coinarch has just released a Private Beta which you could use to invest your bitcoins.  Coinarch is an online platform offering innovative trading solutions for bitcoin.  You can register your interest at www.coinarch.com (http://www.coinarch.com) and receive an invitation code to sign up.

Take a look at our announcement here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=654251.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=654251.0)




Title: Re: Investing Bitcoins?
Post by: perdomwx on June 17, 2014, 02:22:31 AM
I've been giving out a couple of loans with BTCJam and I have been pretty fortunate that the borrowers have been paying back their debt. Do you guys have any other sites for giving out loans besides going out loans in the forum?


Title: Re: Investing Bitcoins?
Post by: ShakyhandsBTCer on June 17, 2014, 03:09:30 AM
The most secure way to gain from having bitcoins, with no risk at all is to lend them on bitfinex.com.
Use the code 5l4wLVc4LW when making a new account for a 10% discount on all fees.
Do you have a guide on the lending process? The website is confusing with all the investing jargon.

It is impossible to not have any risk if you are lending.

You are paying 15% of your interest for insurance of the funds, so it's not imposible.

Your statement is not correct.

You are implying that you are purchasing insurance against the default of the borrower, but even this is not risk free, you are only mitigating the risk.


The borrower can't default. He can't take take your bitcoins or fiat and leave. He is just using it for margin trading and he will get his position close when he is aproaching the margin limit. The insurance is in case of a sudden spike or drop in the price and the platform could not react in time to close his position so it will cover the eventual loss.

What if the exchange goes under and/or if the price of bitcoin moves too fast for the exchange to automatically close the position?


Title: Re: Investing Bitcoins?
Post by: jonsi on June 17, 2014, 10:08:16 AM
The most secure way to gain from having bitcoins, with no risk at all is to lend them on bitfinex.com.
Use the code 5l4wLVc4LW when making a new account for a 10% discount on all fees.
Do you have a guide on the lending process? The website is confusing with all the investing jargon.

It is impossible to not have any risk if you are lending.

You are paying 15% of your interest for insurance of the funds, so it's not imposible.

Your statement is not correct.

You are implying that you are purchasing insurance against the default of the borrower, but even this is not risk free, you are only mitigating the risk.


The borrower can't default. He can't take take your bitcoins or fiat and leave. He is just using it for margin trading and he will get his position close when he is aproaching the margin limit. The insurance is in case of a sudden spike or drop in the price and the platform could not react in time to close his position so it will cover the eventual loss.

What if the exchange goes under and/or if the price of bitcoin moves too fast for the exchange to automatically close the position?


The risk with the exchange going under it's a risk you are taking with every exchange and service related to bitcoin. If the price moves to fast and the exchange can't close the position on time then it will cover for the loss.


Title: Re: Investing Bitcoins?
Post by: polonlive on June 17, 2014, 11:53:39 PM
just exchange,sell high and borrow low.


Title: Re: Investing Bitcoins?
Post by: Candystripes on June 17, 2014, 11:54:53 PM
I would personally run a micro-loan service here with some of it, or set-up your own business.


Title: Re: Investing Bitcoins?
Post by: Harley997 on June 18, 2014, 02:09:04 AM
The most secure way to gain from having bitcoins, with no risk at all is to lend them on bitfinex.com.
Use the code 5l4wLVc4LW when making a new account for a 10% discount on all fees.
Do you have a guide on the lending process? The website is confusing with all the investing jargon.

It is impossible to not have any risk if you are lending.

You are paying 15% of your interest for insurance of the funds, so it's not imposible.

Your statement is not correct.

You are implying that you are purchasing insurance against the default of the borrower, but even this is not risk free, you are only mitigating the risk.


The borrower can't default. He can't take take your bitcoins or fiat and leave. He is just using it for margin trading and he will get his position close when he is aproaching the margin limit. The insurance is in case of a sudden spike or drop in the price and the platform could not react in time to close his position so it will cover the eventual loss.

What if the exchange goes under and/or if the price of bitcoin moves too fast for the exchange to automatically close the position?


The risk with the exchange going under it's a risk you are taking with every exchange and service related to bitcoin. If the price moves to fast and the exchange can't close the position on time then it will cover for the loss.

You are saying that there is no risk to the lending. You just admitted that there is some level of risk.


Title: Re: Investing Bitcoins?
Post by: jonsi on June 18, 2014, 07:13:12 AM
The most secure way to gain from having bitcoins, with no risk at all is to lend them on bitfinex.com.
Use the code 5l4wLVc4LW when making a new account for a 10% discount on all fees.
Do you have a guide on the lending process? The website is confusing with all the investing jargon.

It is impossible to not have any risk if you are lending.

You are paying 15% of your interest for insurance of the funds, so it's not imposible.

Your statement is not correct.

You are implying that you are purchasing insurance against the default of the borrower, but even this is not risk free, you are only mitigating the risk.


The borrower can't default. He can't take take your bitcoins or fiat and leave. He is just using it for margin trading and he will get his position close when he is aproaching the margin limit. The insurance is in case of a sudden spike or drop in the price and the platform could not react in time to close his position so it will cover the eventual loss.

What if the exchange goes under and/or if the price of bitcoin moves too fast for the exchange to automatically close the position?


The risk with the exchange going under it's a risk you are taking with every exchange and service related to bitcoin. If the price moves to fast and the exchange can't close the position on time then it will cover for the loss.

You are saying that there is no risk to the lending. You just admitted that there is some level of risk.


      What's wrong with you people? There is always some level of risk in everything you do in this life. Even if you keep youre bitcoins in a cold wallet in the most secured vault on earth there is the risk that a pool like Ghash will launch a 51% attack, or if you invest in a building is the risk of collapsing, and if you get out from your house you have the risk to get hit by a bus or if you stay in is the risk of war break out and get hit by a bomb and so on and so on.
      What I'm saying is in normal circumstances not in situations beyound our control. With this kind of judgement nobody would make kids anymore because there is always the risk to die in his first years of life... or drive a car because there is always the risk of crashing...


Title: Re: Investing Bitcoins?
Post by: cech4204a on June 19, 2014, 06:32:19 AM
You can also try investing in famous dice sites , i'm sure about just-dice.com, that investors there make like 0.8% per week, which is quite nice, but still it's very safe there.


Title: Re: Investing Bitcoins?
Post by: Nerazzura on June 19, 2014, 02:08:39 PM
bitfinex.com is a good choice. but you should hold them, as the market moves,its going to be better.
if you already have an account there?? Can you tell me what are the advantages and
disadvantages do you feel during a transaction. so that a comparison could be for me
 to choose the best site to invest. thank you


Title: Re: Investing Bitcoins?
Post by: edmundduke on June 19, 2014, 02:34:35 PM
if i was you i would test some dice sites with an amount that you are comfortable loosing. When you spot a good one increase the amount. But i would just hold on to the bulkof it ;) or trade some of it for other alt coins and bump/dump those.


Title: Re: Investing Bitcoins?
Post by: jonsi on June 20, 2014, 12:21:12 AM
bitfinex.com is a good choice. but you should hold them, as the market moves,its going to be better.
if you already have an account there?? Can you tell me what are the advantages and
disadvantages do you feel during a transaction. so that a comparison could be for me
 to choose the best site to invest. thank you

There are no disatvantages. Advantages: margin trade (you can also short bitcoins) and lending section: you can lend your money or bitcoins with no risk that the borrower will default on the loan and the last (but not the least) very small transaction fees: 0%-0.1% for makers (calculated by volume of transactions) and fixed 0.2% for takers.
If you decide to sign up use the code: 5l4wLVc4LW. You will get a 10% discount an all fees (trading fees and lending fees) for 30 days. It's a referal code, so you know.


Title: Re: Investing Bitcoins?
Post by: ShakyhandsBTCer on June 20, 2014, 12:45:11 AM
You can also try investing in famous dice sites , i'm sure about just-dice.com, that investors there make like 0.8% per week, which is quite nice, but still it's very safe there.

I find it ironic that you suggest investing in a gambling site while advertising a different gambling site on your signature.


Investing in a bitcoin "casinio" is one of the more "sure" investments that bitcoin offers


Title: Re: Investing Bitcoins?
Post by: rogi696 on September 14, 2014, 01:00:18 PM
Check this fund, they have succesfull history and offer about 5% per month: https://litecointalk.org/index.php?topic=21194.0

https://www.facebook.com/pages/TheSolution-Land-Fund/687807614647270


Title: Re: Investing Bitcoins?
Post by: LitcoinCollector on September 14, 2014, 01:12:20 PM
1. Just hold your coins. Wait for a couple of years.

2. Go to exchange, buy altcoins with your bitcoin, buy low, sell high. Also risk of losing though.


Title: Re: Investing Bitcoins?
Post by: AcoinL.L.C on September 14, 2014, 02:06:20 PM
Check this fund, they have succesfull history and offer about 5% per month: https://litecointalk.org/index.php?topic=21194.0

https://www.facebook.com/pages/TheSolution-Land-Fund/687807614647270


^^ This user owns that "fund", check out their posts on Bitcointalk, dont put coins with them. Very fishy behavior to say least.



Title: Re: Investing Bitcoins?
Post by: wasserman99 on September 15, 2014, 01:35:32 AM
2. Go to exchange, buy altcoins with your bitcoin, buy low, sell high. Also risk of losing though.
I would highly advise against investing in altcoins. Not all of them are manipulated, however many are. They are all however worthless over the long term and will eventually go to zero, therefore you are basically playing musical chairs with your money


Title: Re: Investing Bitcoins?
Post by: oceans on September 15, 2014, 12:23:41 PM
I personally would hold them but that is your choice and for you to decide. Holding them could have a good outcome for you if and when the price goes back up but again you have to wait relying on the price going up which I will admit is not always a confidence booster.