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Title: Proposed Algorithm Change
Post by: Dimelord on June 23, 2014, 01:30:09 PM
I think we need to change Bitcoin's algo to MD5. It would be much better for mining...

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQqa83KTfRqKUrzCik1agynkLlzkpAkIvbzWiBQk-MFkNwjnwxN35_e6A


Title: Re: Proposed Algorithm Change
Post by: DannyHamilton on June 23, 2014, 03:21:31 PM
I think we need to change Bitcoin's algo to MD5. It would be much better for mining...
It would require the replacement of all the current ASIC miners with a whole new generation of ASIC miners, but other than that it would have very little effect on mining.


Title: Re: Proposed Algorithm Change
Post by: BurtW on June 23, 2014, 03:39:30 PM
I think we need to change Bitcoin's algo to MD5. It would be much better for mining...

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQqa83KTfRqKUrzCik1agynkLlzkpAkIvbzWiBQk-MFkNwjnwxN35_e6A
A simple checksum would be much easier to compute and much faster than even MD5.


Title: Re: Proposed Algorithm Change
Post by: Sukrim on June 23, 2014, 05:16:51 PM
I think we need to change Bitcoin's algo to MD5. It would be much better for mining...
You are probably thinking it would be far faster to "mine" MD5(MD5(header, nonce)) because MD5 is "broken"?

Sorry, while MD5 is broken, it's not (yet?) broken in that way... There are no shortcuts when using it for mining.

Also it would just mean that the difficulty would adjust upwards to correct for the "brokenness". Feel free to implement an altcoin using MD5 and see for yourself.


Title: Re: Proposed Algorithm Change
Post by: BitCoinDream on June 23, 2014, 05:26:16 PM
I think we need to change Bitcoin's algo to MD5. It would be much better for mining...

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQqa83KTfRqKUrzCik1agynkLlzkpAkIvbzWiBQk-MFkNwjnwxN35_e6A

This kind of a change will only result in an Alt ...because getting mass consensus is almost impossible for Bitcoin now.


Title: Re: Proposed Algorithm Change
Post by: Dimelord on June 27, 2014, 10:46:23 AM
interesting responses. I posted this thread on a whim. I really didn't know a whole lot about MD5. Now I'm curious. Look for anm MD5 altcoin soon  ;D


Title: Re: Proposed Algorithm Change
Post by: franky1 on June 27, 2014, 10:51:13 AM
the OP wrote it as a joke, yet the replies deserve this:

http://scienceofnaturalgame.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/why_so_serious__by_tyrite.jpg


Title: Re: Proposed Algorithm Change
Post by: Dimelord on June 27, 2014, 08:23:57 PM
lol. Nobody appreciates a good joke thread around here.  ;D


Title: Re: Proposed Algorithm Change
Post by: Sukrim on June 27, 2014, 08:32:49 PM
I fail to see what's "funny" about this...


Title: Re: Proposed Algorithm Change
Post by: ajareselde on June 27, 2014, 08:39:07 PM
I fail to see what's "funny" about this...

you fail to see sarcasm :)
well, there would definetly be a boom on sha-256 altcoins for asic owners to take refuge in.
if you ask me, i would change algo every year, hate to see mining in industry hands, and not in the hands of simple folks.

cheers


Title: Re: Proposed Algorithm Change
Post by: str4wm4n on June 27, 2014, 09:18:02 PM
I snickered  ::)


Title: Re: Proposed Algorithm Change
Post by: Swordsoffreedom on June 27, 2014, 09:28:38 PM
I snickered since serious nominations belong in Technical and Developmental Discussion
Mean (Mumble I know where things go now why!)
Lol


Title: Re: Proposed Algorithm Change
Post by: The00Dustin on June 28, 2014, 10:40:17 AM
I fail to see what's "funny" about this...
Pretty sure it was mostly the troll face included in the post pretty much saying "I'm trolling because all the people who want to change the algo always get shot down and never search"


Title: Re: Proposed Algorithm Change
Post by: Sukrim on June 28, 2014, 06:32:59 PM
So trolling/spaming is now considered a "joke thread"? :-\


Title: Re: Proposed Algorithm Change
Post by: the joint on June 28, 2014, 06:39:11 PM
I fail to see what's "funny" about this...

you fail to see sarcasm :)
well, there would definetly be a boom on sha-256 altcoins for asic owners to take refuge in.
if you ask me, i would change algo every year, hate to see mining in industry hands, and not in the hands of simple folks.

cheers

Wouldn't the network become more vulnerable right at the time that the algorithm changes?  I find it hard to believe that even a majority of active miners would be ready to go at the first block after the change.   Could that provide a small window of opportunity for attackers once per year?


Title: Re: Proposed Algorithm Change
Post by: DannyElfman on June 28, 2014, 08:05:40 PM
I think we need to change Bitcoin's algo to MD5. It would be much better for mining...

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQqa83KTfRqKUrzCik1agynkLlzkpAkIvbzWiBQk-MFkNwjnwxN35_e6A

This kind of a change will only result in an Alt ...because getting mass consensus is almost impossible for Bitcoin now.
you can get a consensus to make changes to the Bitcoin protocol as we do get this whenever bitcoin core is upgraded. The problem is getting a radical of a change as this is


Title: Re: Proposed Algorithm Change
Post by: Dimelord on June 28, 2014, 11:16:12 PM
So trolling/spaming is now considered a "joke thread"? :-\
I was just trying to get people to laugh... Lighten up guys  ::)


Title: Re: Proposed Algorithm Change
Post by: bitcoinbit111 on June 29, 2014, 03:33:56 AM
I fail to see what's "funny" about this...

His name is "Dimelord" FFS. Expect him to be a bit dimey wimey at 'times'.  8)


Title: Re: Proposed Algorithm Change
Post by: Dimelord on June 29, 2014, 02:09:32 PM
I fail to see what's "funny" about this...

His name is "Dimelord" FFS. Expect him to be a bit dimey wimey at 'times'.  8)
lol I see what you did there  ;D Not a whole lot of people get my name.


Title: Re: Proposed Algorithm Change
Post by: BurtW on June 29, 2014, 02:18:55 PM
I think we need to change Bitcoin's algo to MD5. It would be much better for mining...

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQqa83KTfRqKUrzCik1agynkLlzkpAkIvbzWiBQk-MFkNwjnwxN35_e6A
A simple checksum would be much easier to compute and much faster than even MD5.
I thought it was very funny.  People around here are soooo serious.


Title: Re: Proposed Algorithm Change
Post by: lihuajkl on June 29, 2014, 02:30:20 PM
I think we need to change Bitcoin's algo to MD5. It would be much better for mining...

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQqa83KTfRqKUrzCik1agynkLlzkpAkIvbzWiBQk-MFkNwjnwxN35_e6A
Some big pools who gain high hashpower have invested a lot of capital to most efficient mining rigs.They wouldn't be willing to implement radical changes.


Title: Re: Proposed Algorithm Change
Post by: coffee999 on June 29, 2014, 06:10:38 PM
Also, pardon my ignorance, but where is the best place to get the md5 checksums for previous electrum versions?


Title: Re: Proposed Algorithm Change
Post by: teknohog on June 30, 2014, 10:26:08 PM
I'm half seriously thinking of a MiDa5coin to go with this algo. Maybe MD5 + SHA1 to stay retro while adding to perceived security. I'm not going to launch/maintain a coin by myself, just thinking of some low hanging GPU fruit ::)


Title: Re: Proposed Algorithm Change
Post by: Dimelord on July 01, 2014, 12:14:16 PM
I'm half seriously thinking of a MiDa5coin to go with this algo. Maybe MD5 + SHA1 to stay retro while adding to perceived security. I'm not going to launch/maintain a coin by myself, just thinking of some low hanging GPU fruit ::)
lol I know some people who would jump in on that.


Title: Re: Proposed Algorithm Change
Post by: bluefirecorp on July 01, 2014, 12:16:51 PM
I'm half seriously thinking of a MiDa5coin to go with this algo. Maybe MD5 + SHA1 to stay retro while adding to perceived security. I'm not going to launch/maintain a coin by myself, just thinking of some low hanging GPU fruit ::)

Toss on DES to it (I know, it's not a hash, but might as well!)


Title: Re: Proposed Algorithm Change
Post by: teknohog on July 01, 2014, 03:10:36 PM
I'm half seriously thinking of a MiDa5coin to go with this algo. Maybe MD5 + SHA1 to stay retro while adding to perceived security. ...
lol I know some people who would jump in on that.

Another name I thought up was "RetroHash", but I see it is already taken (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RetroHash), though not in a crypto context. I can't believe there isn't a Midascoin already.


Title: Re: Proposed Algorithm Change
Post by: teknohog on July 01, 2014, 03:14:17 PM
Maybe MD5 + SHA1 to stay retro while adding to perceived security.
Toss on DES to it (I know, it's not a hash, but might as well!)
Perhaps encrypt one of the hashes with DES, using the other hash as the key?

We could also add a huge number of rot13 stages to make hashing extra hard ;D


Title: Re: Proposed Algorithm Change
Post by: bluefirecorp on July 02, 2014, 04:34:38 AM
Maybe MD5 + SHA1 to stay retro while adding to perceived security.
Toss on DES to it (I know, it's not a hash, but might as well!)
Perhaps encrypt one of the hashes with DES, using the other hash as the key?

We could also add a huge number of rot13 stages to make hashing extra hard ;D

Double rot13 is best.