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Title: Looking for Developers...
Post by: Terpie on April 28, 2011, 02:10:31 AM
I'm an entrepreneur by trade, and after spending a couple of weeks on this forum, I've been blown away by the ingenuity, creativity, and general vision of the bitcoin developer community. This is exactly the type of people I'm looking for.

Essentially, I will be forming a start up company that I've been conceptualizing for the past 6 months. I need a competent web developer to help me in my vision. I have the funds to offer market rate wages for qualified programmers, but would also offer an equity stake in exchange for salary concessions, quid pro quo.

The business concept is one of developing market efficiency for 'effectively fungible' services. It will be an online business with semi-sophisticated payment processing, algorithms, and API usage. Details will be forthcoming following NDAs. I'm sure the brilliant minds of this community will have no problem grasping the concept and running wild with it. I'm doubly motivated now as I see the potential to symbiotically grow this venture with the bitcoin economy.

This will most likely become a full-time project. And as an illiterate in the realm of programming, I'll need expert opinions in the time frames for development.

I can answer any questions or concerns in this thread. If this is something that might interest you, please send me a message or resume via PM. If you're uncomfortable sending a resume via PM, then message me and I can provide an email address to forward your resume. As I live in CT, priority will be given to those in the Northeast.

Thanks!


Title: Re: Looking for Developers...
Post by: kiba on April 28, 2011, 05:03:42 AM
Will this corporation be state chartered?


Title: Re: Looking for Developers...
Post by: advertisingbit on April 28, 2011, 05:14:32 AM
Oh my god! A fungible NDA quid pro quo!


Title: Re: Looking for Developers...
Post by: kiba on April 28, 2011, 05:27:53 AM
Oh my god! A fungible NDA quid pro quo!

NDA? This implies whatever he's working on is a no-go.

If he can't be confident that he can execute, he sucks.


Title: Re: Looking for Developers...
Post by: Anonymous on April 28, 2011, 05:40:41 AM
http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=6500.new#new

You might invest in the bitcoin economy by releasing shares which will let you pay a bitcoin developer in bitcoins.

 :)


Title: Re: Looking for Developers...
Post by: Terpie on April 28, 2011, 11:40:20 AM
Oh my god! A fungible NDA quid pro quo!

NDA? This implies whatever he's working on is a no-go.

If he can't be confident that he can execute, he sucks.


I've executed several before. Have investors lined up now and sometimes they require this of you, but I guess you're just smarter than me. Carry on.


Title: Re: Looking for Developers...
Post by: Terpie on April 28, 2011, 11:41:09 AM
Will this corporation be state chartered?

Pretty much impossible not to be.


Title: Re: Looking for Developers...
Post by: Terpie on April 28, 2011, 11:42:23 AM
http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=6500.new#new

You might invest in the bitcoin economy by releasing shares which will let you pay a bitcoin developer in bitcoins.

 :)

Thanks, I will look into this.


Title: Re: Looking for Developers...
Post by: Alex Beckenham on April 28, 2011, 11:46:15 AM
NDA's are for people who believe in Imaginary Property.

I'm just pointing that out because I'd say a large number of the bitcoin community don't.


Title: Re: Looking for Developers...
Post by: Terpie on April 28, 2011, 12:04:22 PM
NDA's are for people who believe in Imaginary Property.

I'm just pointing that out because I'd say a large number of the bitcoin community don't.


NDAs are voluntary contracts. Pretty sure the philosophical cornerstone of most of this community is voluntary contracts. I think you're confusing this with IP. But thanks for your snarky misinformed opinion.


Title: Re: Looking for Developers...
Post by: Anonymous on April 28, 2011, 12:09:11 PM
NDA's are for people who believe in Imaginary Property.

I'm just pointing that out because I'd say a large number of the bitcoin community don't.


NDAs are voluntary contracts. Pretty sure the philosophical cornerstone of most of this community is voluntary contracts. I think you're confusing this with IP. But thanks for your snarky misinformed opinion.

I would agree with that statement. There is nothing at all wrong with voluntary contracts imo.


Title: Re: Looking for Developers...
Post by: Alex Beckenham on April 28, 2011, 12:13:58 PM
But thanks for your snarky misinformed opinion.

Any time.


Title: Re: Looking for Developers...
Post by: ribuck on April 28, 2011, 12:20:56 PM
There is nothing at all wrong with voluntary contracts imo.
Of course I agree with voluntary contracts. Nevertheless, I don't think it's ever in an individual's interest to sign a NDA.

I have been asked to sign NDAs from time to time. Each time I say "Sorry, I don't sign NDAs" and the response has always been "Oh, OK then, no need to sign."

Google asks applicants to sign an NDA if they attend a job interview. If you don't sign the NDA, you still get the interview. Maybe you don't get shown some of the cool upcoming stuff, but who wants their mind cluttered up with things that they are forbidden from talking about? Signing away a part of your brain is not a smart move.


Title: Re: Looking for Developers...
Post by: Anonymous on April 28, 2011, 12:24:16 PM
There is nothing at all wrong with voluntary contracts imo.
Of course I agree with voluntary contracts. Nevertheless, I don't think it's ever in an individual's interest to sign a NDA.

I have been asked to sign NDAs from time to time. Each time I say "Sorry, I don't sign NDAs" and the response has always been "Oh, OK then, no need to sign."

Google asks applicants to sign an NDA if they attend a job interview. If you don't sign the NDA, you still get the interview. Maybe you don't get shown some of the cool upcoming stuff, but who wants their mind cluttered up with things that they are forbidden from talking about? Signing away a part of your brain is not a smart move.

That is also good advice.





Title: Re: Looking for Developers...
Post by: kiba on April 28, 2011, 12:25:47 PM
If you always execute faster than the other guys, it doesn't matter what kind of NDA they have with their employees. They're screwed either way.  ;)


Title: Re: Looking for Developers...
Post by: da2ce7 on April 28, 2011, 12:37:16 PM
If you always execute faster than the other guys, it doesn't matter what kind of NDA they have with their employees. They're screwed either way.  ;)

There is nothing wrong about keeping a secret until you are ready.  Often if things are made public too early, then everyone gets a bad impression and are hard to convince once it is ready to use.


Title: Re: Looking for Developers...
Post by: ribuck on April 28, 2011, 12:44:00 PM
There is nothing wrong about keeping a secret until you are ready.

For sure. Just because you know about something doesn't mean you are forced to blab about it.

If a company can't depend on its employees' discretion, courtesy, and common sense, without lawyers breathing down everyone's neck, the company has worse problems than unauthorised speech.


Title: Re: Looking for Developers...
Post by: fetokun on April 28, 2011, 12:48:44 PM
Are you willing to hire people from outside of US?


Title: Re: Looking for Developers...
Post by: Terpie on April 28, 2011, 12:48:57 PM
I appreciate the honest input. Unfortunately the NDA is outside my control. But I do understand it can be a turn off. I do believe they are rarely enforced in situations such as this, unless its absolutely blatant. Of course execution is everything, and if done right, then everything else is pretty much meaningless. But basically, I'm offering a job to the community. If you're fully employed or believe this is a scam, that's fine, but at the least be constructive in the discussion.


Title: Re: Looking for Developers...
Post by: Alex Beckenham on April 28, 2011, 12:50:08 PM
I signed my last NDA over 10 years ago and it's just been handshakes ever since.

In more recent times I've turned down a couple of high-paying jobs because they wanted to 'sign me up' but I told them I'm not their guy.

Voluntary contracts are great, so I can opt out of the bad ones (most of them).


Title: Re: Looking for Developers...
Post by: kangasbros on April 28, 2011, 01:43:21 PM
I've executed several before. Have investors lined up now and sometimes they require this of you, but I guess you're just smarter than me. Carry on.

Tell more about your past ventures. I bet you will get more candidates if you show that you are really able to bring something to the table.

Unfortunately often these "a non-programmer business guy looking for developers" deals are pretty bad for the devs. I recommend to use common sense before applying, and not sign any NDA before at least you know that the guy is credible.


Title: Re: Looking for Developers...
Post by: Terpie on April 28, 2011, 02:03:38 PM
I know the horror stories. Really though,if I'm offering full time employment at rates conducive to the skill of the developer, then its not exactly a huge risk if you decide to forego an equity share. It's basically regular employment. If you buy into the concept, then awesome, come take a share as well. Incentives are what matter. And I work with people that are specialized every day, so I understand how to motivate them. If anyone is interested in talking with me more in depth, I welcome the opportunity, but in a more private forum... so send a pm.