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Title: Kiev forces use chemical weapons.
Post by: 247crypto on June 30, 2014, 11:14:46 PM
http://lifenews.ru/news/135850


Title: Re: Kiev forces use chemical weapons.
Post by: 247crypto on July 01, 2014, 02:47:26 AM
http://lifenews.ru/news/135847


Title: Re: Kiev forces use chemical weapons.
Post by: validium on July 01, 2014, 08:45:08 AM
Couldn't read anything its all in Russian, any links for sites that are in English?


Title: Re: Kiev forces use chemical weapons.
Post by: Nemo1024 on July 01, 2014, 09:39:09 AM
You can find a list of Russian news agencies reporting in English here:
http://stanislavs.org/the-unreported-war-in-ukraine/

Also, you can always run a whole site through Google translate to get a gist of an article like this:

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fria.ru%2Fworld%2F20140630%2F1014147134.html&edit-text=&act=url

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MOSCOW, June 30 - RIA Novosti. Russia does not preclude the filing of the OPCW in the investigation of possible instances of the use of chemical weapons in eastern Ukraine, but as yet it is not enough reason, RIA Novosti said the Russian ambassador in The Hague, where the headquarters of the OPCW, Roman Kolodkin.

It's not perfect, but it's legible.

Here is an article from the Voice of Russia:
http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_06_30/Russia-to-complain-to-OPCW-over-suspected-chemical-attack-in-eastern-Ukraine-0452/
http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_06_30/Chemical-attack-by-Ukrainian-troops-reported-in-Slavyansk-self-defense-1585/


Title: Re: Kiev forces use chemical weapons.
Post by: validium on July 01, 2014, 09:55:28 AM
You can find a list of Russian news agencies reporting in English here:
http://stanislavs.org/the-unreported-war-in-ukraine/

Also, you can always run a whole site through Google translate to get a gist of an article like this:

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fria.ru%2Fworld%2F20140630%2F1014147134.html&edit-text=&act=url

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MOSCOW, June 30 - RIA Novosti. Russia does not preclude the filing of the OPCW in the investigation of possible instances of the use of chemical weapons in eastern Ukraine, but as yet it is not enough reason, RIA Novosti said the Russian ambassador in The Hague, where the headquarters of the OPCW, Roman Kolodkin.

It's not perfect, but it's legible.

Here is an article from the Voice of Russia:
http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_06_30/Russia-to-complain-to-OPCW-over-suspected-chemical-attack-in-eastern-Ukraine-0452/
http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_06_30/Chemical-attack-by-Ukrainian-troops-reported-in-Slavyansk-self-defense-1585/

I hate using Google translate while reading news articles cause the translations end up making little or no sense at all , but thanks for the links  :)

Lets see what is the reaction of OPCW, but i have a feeling no actions will be taken if the Ukrainian troops are really using chemical weapons


Title: Re: Kiev forces use chemical weapons.
Post by: Ron~Popeil on July 02, 2014, 03:42:44 AM
Need a non Russian source for this. Russia's state media isn't exactly a free press.


Title: Re: Kiev forces use chemical weapons.
Post by: cech4204a on July 02, 2014, 09:24:07 AM
That news are bad if they are true, this is not ending well for any of the sides and they should be working more on getting into the peace state, not in the war state. They will never learn.


Title: Re: Kiev forces use chemical weapons.
Post by: Nemo1024 on July 02, 2014, 01:15:13 PM
Need a non Russian source for this. Russia's state media isn't exactly a free press.

The problem is that all the "free" Western media is suppressed by the governments. Maybe only Italy and France had their reporters on the ground in East-Ukraine. All other Western outlets did re-prints from RIA Novosti after performing some "politically correct" adjustments.

And you'd be surprised that Russian media is freer than the Western public is lead to believe by their free media. I've read some quite strong criticism of Russian policies in Russian media, som of which you'd not find in Western media criticizing the Western policies.


Title: Re: Kiev forces use chemical weapons.
Post by: Ron~Popeil on July 02, 2014, 11:12:50 PM
Need a non Russian source for this. Russia's state media isn't exactly a free press.

The problem is that all the "free" Western media is suppressed by the governments. Maybe only Italy and France had their reporters on the ground in East-Ukraine. All other Western outlets did re-prints from RIA Novosti after performing some "politically correct" adjustments.

And you'd be surprised that Russian media is freer than the Western public is lead to believe by their free media. I've read some quite strong criticism of Russian policies in Russian media, som of which you'd not find in Western media criticizing the Western policies.

Our media tells us what the DNC wants us to know pretty much. I would love to get some non biased reporting from the area but that seems all but impossible. 


Title: Re: Kiev forces use chemical weapons.
Post by: Nemo1024 on July 03, 2014, 09:48:59 AM
Our media tells us what the DNC wants us to know pretty much. I would love to get some non biased reporting from the area but that seems all but impossible. 

In a war, unbiased reporting is a luxury. All you can hope for is truthfulness of the presented facts, even when those facts come from one side of a conflict. Then you can do your cross-referencing.

I pretty much follow the news from Russin Spring: http://rusvesna.su/news
It's in Russian (use Google translate, if only for the headlines), but their policy so fas has been in presenting only verified information, backed by citations, printed and video documents. They also run a column "through the eyes of the enemy", where they show news as presented by the Ukrainian MSM.

You can also get fresh news from the fronts.


Title: Re: Kiev forces use chemical weapons.
Post by: Morbid on July 03, 2014, 09:58:04 AM
crypto and nemo thank you for your efforts.