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I have 15 units in stock deployed at Spoondolies Tech datacenter.

Description of each unit http://www.spondoolies-tech.com/products/sp10-dawson-mid-june-batch

As long as miners are deployed and running for about a month and a half at manufacturer datacenter, You will get them with 4.5 months of warranty from Spoondolies tech. Hosting is paid until July, 26. After that You may either choose new hosting plan at as low as 148 $/kW (http://www.spondoolies-tech.com/collections/products/hosting) or ship to Your location. You may also ship immediately after buying for $193 per unit.

Ready to sell 1 unit as well as all 15.

Here is a link where You could buy miners http://www.spondoolies-tech.com/products/used-hosted-sp10-ownership-transfer-order-1428

Price $2500 + $193 shipping.

I confirm that horcoff bought and host 15 units in our datacenter.
The deal included 6 month extended warranty.

Price?

Seems like a good deal to me ;)

The price is $2500 per unit, consider extended warranty and 3 weeks of paid hosting.

Might reduce some for 5 and more units.

$2500 per unit...with free power takes 224 days to ROI.  How firm is that price?

ya and add hosting fee to that and ROI gets even longer

No one can make any profit on these anywhere near that price.

Could do 5 or more per $2250.

Add in Your model at least 5% monthly bitcoin price growth.

Here is a link where You could buy miners http://www.spondoolies-tech.com/products/used-hosted-sp10-ownership-transfer-order-1428

One reason why someone won't pay $2500 per 1.45 TH is because bitmaintech.com completely beats that pricing.

Antminer S3 sells for 0.725 BTC. Each are 478GH Per unit.

366/478=0.766W/GH They are more power efficient then your units and way cheaper.

For $2500, 2500/630=3.968 BTC.

With that I could order 5 Units and keep 10% of BTC, for math sakes, 5.47 Units in total would yield
5.47*478=2,614.66 GH.


2500/2614.66=0.956GH/USD
95.6 Cents per GH for Bitmain.

VS

2500/1450= 1.724GH/USD

172 Cents Per GH for yours.

Also 5% more power efficient.

Market pricing for your unit is around 95.6 Cents per GH, at 1450GH, your unit at most should be $1,386.2 or 2.2 BTC.
Anything over that and anyone will prefer to buy from bitmaintech, or from china, instead from here.

And what the f..k has to do price growth with mining?

Your mining profit rises and You do not bother on bitcoin price volatility

Wrong..If I pay with bitcoins...USD is irrelevant.  Your price is way too high.  If I buy using bitcoins..I will never mine that many back.

buy 3x bitcoins with 33% margin on btce metatrader, the rest 66% in NOT VOLATILE MINER.

would have your btc quantity always.

The miner either way is a loss...it will never mine what it costs. 

yep was gona buy one til i ran the #'s...then it didn't look so good :(

Are you just trying to get someone stupid enought to buy your overpriced miners or are you the one that's stupid?
Mining profit doesn't rise, it's the value of your btc that is rising so it's better to just keep the btc's.

Realistically the market value of the SP10 as of today is around $1400/unit.

PM me if you want to do a realistic bulk discount for all 10 units.

Closest in stock competitor (S2 $1715 per 1000 gh, 1.1 w/gh) https://bitmaintech.com/productDetail.htm?pid=00020140429083756017VwGm90Xx06B5

Do not love my brain )

You need to compare prices to other used miners... Doubt anyone will still pay that price for 1 TH. Used Cointerra going for less.

so in other words your saying .4 th/s is worth almost 1k? :) and ppl selling those units on here for 1500 so for bout 400 bucks more i could have 2th/s instead of your 1.4th/s hehe face it you might as well just keep'em n hash with them

or https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=676932.0 1th/s 1000E...dunno what that is in usd but still :P

1.37 usd per eur

Hi for those in US,

Could you please tell me how much % of duties should you pay on imported miners from China/Hong Kong and is there any on Israel ones?

European customers are also welcome for response.

NONE at all.

what country You imported from to US?

China and Israel. What's your point? Maybe if you want to be more precise with what are you trying to find out, I could be more helpful?

Do not get me wrong, but your way of communication is more like questioning :) Retired investigator?  ;D

PM if you decide to sell below $1400 per miner

Just the way zodiac cancer makes research)

the matter is import from Israel to US should not be obliged with duties and VAT (?) at all due to free trade.

and the same import from China/Hong Kong will be obliged to pay 20% (?) or more on a considerable invoice amount of above $1000 - is it true?

maybe in 1.5-2 months if not sold )


and if btc will be less than $800 ) (it wouldn't)

In 1-2 months why would anyone want one? the SP30's will be more available at 6TH/s for ~$5,000

Good luck trying to sell the SP10's for more than $1500 each now, (I'll take a few at $1500 by the way)

Plus in 1-2 months I have no doubt there will be bigger and  badder stuff out there for a lot cheaper.

+1 was thinking the same thing...oh well let him hold them n mine with them...Then in a month he'll be stuck with them and soon the hosting fee will eat all his profits :)

You expect to get something in stock?)

Are you referring to the SP30's?

That's not the point here, whether I get anything in stock or not, I'm not the one trying to sell overpriced hardware at this moment.

In 2 months if I cant get an SP30, I will buy the next 6-10 TH/s unit for the same price from another vendor.

You see things move fast here, faster and faster these days than ever before.

So I wouldn't be concerned if I can can get something in 2 months, I would be more concerned if you can get rid of your outdated overpriced gear in 2 months or even now for that matter.

thanks for your concern though!
 
:)

I will be able to send them to datatank location and pay 60$ per kw at that time )

I really think bitcoin might grow above $1000 in August and after so miners could rise in price 2x as it was in April 2013. So selling miners now might be not good idea. But I need money in my main business.

I've got some news for you...miners are going to get faster and cheaper not the other way around.

What makes you predict that BTC will go up to $1000?

If it does, great!

If it doesn't, that ok too.

But you say you need money now right? my offer still stands.

Not so fast not to ROI on them )

About btc price: bubble is over (look at google trends or Fibo levels as well as Fibo timezones for btc price) . Mining profitability is under historical average. It would be perfect for new btc bubble if some manufacturer of miners collected $100m of preorders and shipped them almost at the same time (like BFL in August - October 2013). Or if someone like Avalon mined with new technology for 25% of the system - then no sellers of BTC on the market and Bubble is on the way )

On the other hand PBOC do not like such bubbles, so if none of 2 variants be in place (I think no manufacturer be able to do such a stuff) - then less negative volatility for btc price and plain rise )

PS. We should just beg manufacturers not to do like in Litecoin - selling few in stock to the broad public: it crashes price tothehell

PS2. Money needed for my partner liquidity concerns, not to borrow at high %

SP10's are not worth what you are asking...pretty simple.  So many options for that speed at half the costs.  Good lucky selling these @ that rate...you might find a sucker though  :P

Listen to Blazedout he knows what hes talkin bout!

I know just 1 decent option https://bitmaintech.com/productDetail.htm?pid=00020140429083756017VwGm90Xx06B5

Could sell all $2100 + $193 shipping if needed

OK last time I will reply..you can not price a NEW miner versus a USED one for prices.  You need to shop other used miners to get a legit price.  Anyways good luck with sales

I have 4.5 months of proved warranty left from Guy - haven't You read the whole thread? Moreover haven't Your heard about broken miners coming from China?

$1400 per miner, for 10 of them, price went down due to lack of common sense.

no no,

I have accepted bid $2000 + $193 for all of them, just waiting for payment. The accepted buyer is on the 1st place to ship even if someone propose $2193

congrats!

I hope he has free power.

wow gratz, that buyer must of been rich to pay those prices...and i dont see how he is rich if he is foolishly spending his money lol unless its an early adopter who has tons of btc just lying around :)

to the up,

selling all for $2000+$193 shipping per unit

oh buyer backed out?

still waiting for the payment...

updated price for others

There is another seller offering 2 sp10 for 3btc each and no responces either 2,5 is a good price for today.

My deal was cancelled, so I am still mining and still ready to sell - any suggestions about price per all 15 units? (miners are now in US)

ppl are selling used s2 for $300

LOL haha .4BTC max all you need is 3 s3's to cover th 1.4th's

Seeking for $750 per unit, which is fair 0.52 $/gh

Problem with that price is that s4 @ 2th/s is 1250 just a few bucks more then your price with less power use.

Is still to high, I'm getting ready to order an sp35 or s4.

S4              $1250/2000 gh = 0.625 $/gh and it is likely to explode Chinese rock (0.7 w/gh)

SP35           $3920/6000 gh = 0.653 $/gh in late November with unconfirmed 0.6 w/gh

My proposal  $750/1450 gh = 0.517 $/gh now with confirmed 0.8 w/gh.

LOL @ Chinese rock

while you may be right about other products from china, there hasn't been any claims of bitmains miners exploding :P now if we were talking about KNC then i'd say yer dead on :)

that said i'll offer .7 btc per unit ;D

My max is .6ea for two

I was you I would take these offers, they like cell phones the longer you have it the cheaper they get

I'm willing to do 1btc each.  Will take all 15.

I'll do 2 btc each if you could throw in shipping to Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia...

For some poorly understood reason the this region still has ppl willing to pay more for the machine than what it'll ever generate in its economic lifespan...

Perhaps because it's difficult to buy bitcoin there, so people buy miners instead?

I think horcoff won't mind me saying this. These machines are currently hashing in our datacenter, http://toom.im. We have some of the lowest rates in the industry, so if you want to keep them here and hash with us, you won't have to deal with shipping.

Well.. actually I plan to unload it off to some unsuspecting folks at grossly inflated prices...

what would be your offers for 15 sp10 units hosted at Grant County, WA? Please post here

Willing to take one for 1.45 btc shipped to houston pm me if interested
Maybe willing to buy two for 2.9 total shipped thanks,
Jeppe

Would take 5 for 6.5btc units to remain at hosting center.
Let me know

It appears there is a user named "horcof" (note only one 'f') who is PMing people and trying to get them to pay for these miners. I'm pretty sure horcof is a scam. The real owner should be horcoff.

SCAM ALERT :o

I got the following PM in reply to my offer from "horcof"

Hi,

Thanks for the offer.

Had to think long and hard on this one, at first I dismissed it as low ball offer but considering recent difficulty increases and expected returns I think its a fair offer.

My BTC address is :

1BLNFHwqSUaaMr9VmR6FGXAmbLo8WHL2ed

Ill be on and offline most of today, as soon as payment is received ill pm you the hosting login details where you can change the units over to your details.

No reason why you cant have these beasts hashing to your pay out address by close of play today.

Thanks,

horcoff

He did sign it with 2 f's

Offer still stands

What are the terms of the hosting agreement? E.g. how long is the contract, hosting rate per kw, cost to transfer ownership, cost for hosting center to pack up and ship out the miners at end of life/contract? I can't really calculate a price without that information. PM me if you can't make this information public by the terms of your agreement with the hosting center. When it comes to these data center costs, sometimes a Spondooly in the hand is worth two Spondoolies in the bush.

Yes, it is scam

jtoomim has price 80-99 $ kW/mo. My contract ends very soon so it is a good time to change ownership by paying to jtoomim as escrow. Be careful of scams, check profile which sent you info (activity, spelling)! Recheck info with me + jtoomim.

I am seeking for $650 (BTC 1.85) per unit and willing to sell all at once. In case miners remain at jtoomim after sale - ready to sell even 1 for that price

S4              $1250/2000 gh = 0.625 $/gh (0.7 w/gh)

SP35           $3595/5500 gh = 0.653 $/gh in late November with unconfirmed 0.66 w/gh

My proposal  $650/1450 gh = 0.45 $/gh in 0.9 w/gh mode (or 0.65 $/gh in 0.7 w/gh mode)

Hi horcoff,

can you confirm that your units are using around 1200W each at jtoom.im's DC?

Regards.

They are actually running at 1300 kw but could produce 1 th at 700 kw, edited my post

Would you sell one for 1BTC + I cover shipping? SP gear is about the only thing I have never owned and want to play.

Or how about a 2013 Brass Casascius coin for one?

I am seeking for $650 (BTC 1.85) per unit and willing to sell all at once. In case miners remain at jtoomim after sale - ready to sell even 1 for that price

You should try eBay with that asking price.

7 units sold.

8 units left, price $650 (BTC 1.85) per unit.

my offer still stands

I prefer leaving units at Toom.im hosting facility

I made some bad calls on buying stuff when I 1st started mining, and now I have learned, but even in the beginning I wouldn't of even paid that much for them.. ;)

No fee for transfer of ownership. We will ship it to you or your next hosting provider at cost. We should still have the packaging for these machines, so at-cost would probably just mean postage. The paper padding that Spondoolies uses tends to wear out with repeated use, so we might have to get some extra padding material. Our rates are published on our website (http://toom.im), and we don't deviate from them. Month-to-month terms are $99/kW per month. Three-month terms are $93/kW.

The 1200W rating that is listed on Spondoolies's page is for 12V DC power. In actuality, most SP10 PSUs are capable of supplying 1260W, and some can go as high as 1265W. Since the PSUs the SP10 uses are about 91% efficient at that load, that means around 1260/0.91 = 1384W of AC draw.

Horcoff requested metered billing for these machines. We measured these SP10s as consuming 1.314 kW each at the wall, which is lower than we typically see for SP10s in our datacenter (typically around 1.38 kW). However, it was much warmer then, and most of his SP10s were not hitting their PSU limits in 12V DC power. Right now, our machines are getting intake temps around 10°C, and it looks like horcoff's SP10s are hitting their PSU limits as a result (and hashing faster).

I'm interested in buying 4-6 of them....can you detail the terms for me, shipped and continued hosting.... Thanks...Keith

Can you tune them down to reach a 1kW continous power consumption? If so, how much can they hash at 1kW?

Thanks.

spiccioli

GH   W
1000   720
1350   1100
1430   1350
1470   1370


that is from dogie review

horcoff, want me to test this with a miner?

I do not think it really matters to bother when you have results for 1.1 kw

jtoomim,

you can test it with one of my units, I think it can be a usefull test going forward.

spiccioli

Do you arrange for delivery in Egypt ?

I prefer selling at datacenter in US, ready to sell all 8, $600 per unit

I'll take 5 for $2500 and I'll send the shipping labels...

Or all 8 for $3200 and leave them where they are

Hi, I could not go less than $600, I already lowered from $650

I understand, its just that the $100/kw blows it for me... Check my math, $110/month/sp10 and at 1350 it will generate $210.  In Washington the Alternantive energy costs about $2/100kwh so about $15.84/miner/month or commercial is about $28.65/miner/month.  I would pay about $76.03/miner/month and will be $49.89/miner/month shortly.

For 1 miner:
Toomin makes - between $81.35 and $94.16
I make - $100 if hosted with Toomin or $134 ($160.11 shortly)-- if hosted at home

So my point is that hosting it with Toomin is great for people with expensive electricity, but for me it doesnt't make any since for them to make as much as me cause i am out the cost of the rig which I can make up faster with the extra $60/month.


good luck....keith

You are able to ship within US, it will probably cost $40-50. But it will be you who will ccontact jtoomim after buying to start shipping

How many units do you have left? 8? Or is it less now?

7 left

will buy all 7 for $500 (1.3BTC) if you can ship to the UK

Ready to sell all 7 units per $4025 ($575 per unit if you buy all at once).

Someone else is offering the sp10 for .8 plus shipping.  I would would go .9 on each of the 7 & cover shipping.  Let me know
Thanks.

this is ridiculous

No its not current prices are these!!
no offence if you want more try ebay and mess with them...

still 7 left, ready to  sell for $550 each

any suggestions about price on sp 10 now?

could do all 7 if $475 per unit


PS

sp 20:
$659 per 1.7 th (0.39 $/gh)

my offer on sp 10
$475 per 1.45 th is (0.32$/gh)

i can get sp20 at 500$ delivered to my door!

your price is once again ridiculous!

no wonder you didn't sell jack shit in ~1.5months!

http://www.spondoolies-tech.com/products/roadstresss-sp20-special-holiday-gb  ::)

I offer 7BTC for all of them shipped...Obviously I price them in BTC since that is what they produce not USD.

sp 20 goes without psu, what is fair price of sp 10 now considering that fact?

people here refers to sp 20 which is obviously selling in $.

I assume one should add $75 for good psu which is a part of sp 10.

so we have $500/1700 = 0.294 $/gh   -->  0.294*1450=$426  -->   + $75 = $500 ---> i made reduction from that price to $475

Well SP20 is more efficient also..kind of comparing apples to oranges.

Well new versus used also..blah blah. Price it for me in Bitcoins since that is how I would be paying.

I am willing to pay 1.05 BTC which is what I have paid for other SP10 units with delivery paid at my end.

Oh yeah! acting like a smartass will for sure sell your units ;)

Sooner than later, the value of the units will get down so much that they will not be worth shipping!
This means you are going to cry like a baby, cause you didn't sell them when you had the opportunity!

New gear, wattage efficient and with higher hash rate is coming soon...

could do holiday discount also: $425 per unit for all 7 units

Alright if Bitcoin hits $1200 per coin anytime soon I will hit you up on that offer!

Blaze, if you knew it was going to hit 1,200.00 per coin, let me know :) like to get a loan from you before then...lol :)

Haha I will let you know!

BTW,

There's a scamster under the name: horcof PM'ing payment:


Sorry, even at: 1.05BTC not feasible at current BTC price - per GiGaWatt usage for these units.

Good luck to the seller and the scamster on this forum.

PS - Never pay a PM BTC address, especially when it's a scamster! Nice try Horcof - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=384716 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=384716).