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You're assuming he loses at trial.

Which he will. Most juries have the, "The government isn't ever wrong" mindset.

I'd imagine this trial could take a couple of months. This isn't your average run-of-the-mill drug conspiracy case.

Those coins aren't getting sold until mid 2015, assuming Ross loses.

Proving he is guilty is one thing. Proving ALL of the coins were profit from SR is another thing. I am assuming when he got paid by SR, the BTC was sent through a tumbler, so for them to prove which coins are his and which coins are from SR will take forever if even possible.

Also, I'm not 100% convinced he will be proven guilty of ALL charges.

Bitcoin is fungible like cash. The prosecutor doesn't need to prove a particular banknote is profit from drug dealing. The same principle should apply to bitcoin

Yes BUT

They need to prove that he made an equivalent amnt of BTC equal to the amount they seized.  Not that they seized the RIGHT btc, but that they seized the RIGHT AMNT of BTC.

See?

I gotta say, it's pretty obvious that none of you guys have ever had the misfortune of having to deal with a federal prosecution.

I'm not saying that in a condescending way. I'm saying it in an envious way.

The truth is a federal prosecutor can walk into a courtroom with his penis hanging out of his pants in a clown suit. Federal judges are rubber stamps for the US Attorney's Office, plain and simple. This isn't a state/local court where legal precedent and constitutional rights are valued. This is a dog-and-pony show designed to give the illusion of fairness.

The truth is, they might as well take him out back and put him down like Old Yeller if he goes to trial. He's not going to win. He's just not.

There is a reason that U.S. federal conviction rates are on par with Russia, China and other horrendously unfair justices systems throughout the world.

The sad thing is, 99% of Americans are completely oblivious to the miscarriage of justice carried out every day in any federal court in the country. Ask any attorney that deals specifically in federal cases. Ask any retired federal prosecutor. Ask any retired federal judge. It's downright wrong how unfair some of these prosecutions are.

When you are indicted, it's not a question of *if* you're going to jail...it's a question of for how long.

The only system that's worse is the UCMJ.

I honestly have no idea how federal prosecutors sleep at night. Sure, in some cases they are doing society a great service. Unfortunately, in a disproportionately high amount of cases, they are causing so much more societal harm than good.

I don't know about you, but I don't think 19 year old crack addicts that get tied up in drug conspiracies deserve 20 year mandatory minimum sentences, without parole. Particularly when no violence is even alleged.

It's quite despicable, actually.

If he goes to trial, yes.

Only a fool goes to trial in the federal system.

Only a really big fool has a bench trial (i.e. judge decides, no jury) in the federal system.

If he goes to trial, yes.

Only a fool goes to trial in the federal system.

Only a really big fool has a bench trial (i.e. judge decides, no jury) in the federal system.