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First time I've ever heard of a forum which allows the posting of the personal information of others by forum users.

Seems a day or two ago a forum member posted personal information which he thought was about me in order to attempt to impugn my intergity.

He was wide of the mark but I nevertheless complained to the appropriate moderator.

Getting no respones, I complained again and again no response.

Figuring the squeaky wheel gets the grease, I complained yet again and received this response today:

http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag80/LostDutchmanMiner/Capture_zpsa58dc022.jpg (http://s1299.photobucket.com/user/LostDutchmanMiner/media/Capture_zpsa58dc022.jpg.html)

In other words, your privacy on this forum is not guarranteed by forum rules.

Any Tom, Dickwad or Harry can try to figure out who you are and post it all over the place without penalty.

Now I replied to the Mod that I would handle it, so handle I have.

I think that we all need to petition Theymos for identity protection except for proven scam accusatioins here on this forum.

What say you?

I'm going to tag this to be moved to meta, off-topic is not the right place for it.
This is just crazy. Basically if someone wanted to make a personal attack on you, the forum rules would allow it. Great.
The rules are just a mess here.

http://oldhatcreative.com/sites/default/files/styles/blog-full-preview/public/blog-featured-images/calmpanic.jpg?itok=a4MxrYfz

Man you have no integrity, never had it, never will, rotten till the bone (well, intergity maybe :D )

That is the problem. There is no way that the forum could verify every scam accusation, nor should it have to now that there are more appropriate services available for this. Since we can't make exceptions to allow for people to post the personal information of scammers, we have two choices:

1) Remove all posted personal information, like Reddit.
2) Allow everyone to post personal information about anybody.

Bitcoin attracts a lot of scammers, so I would tend to err on safer side of allowing all personal information. Not to mention, if it wasn't posted here, it would just be posted somewhere else. Public information cannot be made unpublic.

Well, OK.

I didn't think of Meta.

Thanks for your input!

The Dutchman.

Now, now, Slok!

Cool your jets!

We know you are just an excitable boy and I have it on good authority that this very song was written about YOU!:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4-pexSVWzM

How do you verify the accuracy of such "publicly" posted information?

What is this place?

The Jerry Springer of Bitcoin?

;)

Right.

I do feel for innocent victims of doxxing, though. I welcome suggestions on how to improve forum policy in this area. However, forum policy must be consistent, and I'm not going to start deciding who's guilty and who's not (again).

I've been thinking that maybe it would be an improvement to require that dox be posted along with sources for all of the data, and ban dox that doesn't come from a "public source" (government site, news story, Facebook, etc.). This would make casual doxxing more difficult, help readers determine whether the dox is actually accurate, and hamper distribution of info obtained from illegal sources (hacking, etc.). I'm not sure that it would help enough to be worth the trouble, though.

That's right! Why did you surprise though?

Well, I think it would but thank you for noticing this thread and recognising the problem.

I cannot thank you enough for your efforts in maintaining this forum and do not think for one second that I was calling into question your honesty or integrity.

Again thank you for your help but I do beleive that the privacy of forum must be preserved in order to maintain an atmosphere of free and open communiction.

The Dutchman.

Close bitcointalk.org down.

Edit:
Am I being sarcastic or for real?

Sarcastic, of course, you silly boy!

;)

Hey, thanks for getting my post and thread moved to where it properly belongs!

Been a long day here in BFL Land and I need all the help I can get!

:)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISmgOrhELXs

The Dutchman.

The problem is that it means that people can't post things like shipping info and unpublished email addresses attached to PayPal accounts used in a scam. Ultimately, it comes down to whether or not it's more important to protect innocents vs denying scammers from reusing an identity.

PMs work well for that sort of thing and if they then CHOOSE to make the info public, that's another matter.

Why didn't anyone protect the victims of the emails that were leaked from gawminers that I posted?

This includes me as well.

Edit:

Bitcointalk.org I believe is in a clusterfuck of all things.

Well, now, among the things in my Magic Bag of Tricks is little subscription information service that I run, the clients of which are mostly attorneys, PIs, process servers, employers and even  the occasional law enforcement agency because what we do is scavenge the net for personal information about the requested party.

You would be surprised what is out there!

Nowlet us suppose there is a forum member who we will call "Johnny Jackass".

Just for shits and grins I decide to expose Johnny and begin my search.

Generally within a few hours I will have his SSN, his street adress and a Google view of that, Google directions to his house, his credit rating, the names of his wife, his kids and maybe even the names of his cats and dogs, as well as his boat registration, if he's got one, his licence plate numbers, a copy of his latest tax return, his Facebook account (hacked); the list goes on and by current forum rules I could post it all and be off Scot free!

Now I wouldn't do any of that but the point is that under current forum rules.............

I COULD!

Beginning to get my point?

Yeah, we can tell.

;)

Look here I am
https://i.imgur.com/uZxkhlA.jpg

Jeebus my chin hurts laughing so hard at Home

Even Theymos had to laugh at this so damn hard.

Laughters unite!

Hypocrisy? Perhaps if you would like to be consistent, you won't delete threads containing your dox and ban the users that posts it.

https://i.imgur.com/jsjQFup.png

Uh Oh.....true story?

Sure:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=668570.msg7556605

(This isn't the thread that Confessions posted, Confessions posted it in Scam Accusations and that was deleted [not just moved to trashcan])

Also:

Wow.  I come here from LBC, and already starting to see some shady stuff going on.  Explanation?

Scam accusations and doxxes should be made only in one subforum, where IP addresses of posters are displayed.
This would immediately eliminate most of the fake scam accusations on the board while enhancing the credibility of existing ones.
It would also force people to be more responsible with their accusations and doxxing.

The forum should also be fitted with a filter to prevent posters from masking their IPs using free proxy services.
There are numerous sources (updated daily) of public proxies.
Private VPN and proxies are traceable, so it shouldn't matter if posters are using them.

Anonymity should not be abused, in my opinion.

Doesn't seem like he laughed. Instead, he is looking at ways in which forum policy could be changed.

Bumping this post.

Why are the dox of theymos deleted, but not the dox of anyone else?

Because this is a privately owned forum and they can do as they please. They have said before that the rules are flexible. It usually isn't the best idea to post the dox on the accused's website. There are plenty of high SEO ranking websites that'll happily publish dox.

Do you want your dox deleted from here or something? I doubt they will do that considering the mountain of substantiated accusations against you. Maybe if you settle your debts with everyone or prove your innocence they will remove them. Although being hacked still justifies having your dox up as you are not capable of handling others funds so maybe they won't.

That is how, not why. The reason that I am asking, which I am sure you will grasp, is that there appears to be unfair selective enforcement of the rules.


This issue isn't about me, and I have never bought myself into this. So stop trying to divert the subject onto me, ad hominem style.

Because:

- If theymos isn't a scammer he perfectly knows it, so removing his dox is removing the dox of a known (to him) innocent honest person, which is ok.
- If theymos is a scammer, well of course he's going to remove it :).

Schrodinger's dox? theymos is both a scammer and not a scammer when he removes his dox? Or is that just a paradox. I don't think he can be in a superposition of both.

Ah well.

My opinion is that if LD actually fucked somebody over via some sour deal(s), then he should be doxxed, but not because somebody may have the red-ass toward him because of his post history.

BTW, pay no attention to my negative trust thingy on the left.

~Bruno Kucinskas
406 W. Center St.
Sandwich, IL  60548

815-508-1668

It is even worse guys, I saw some people (they have a red or cyan coin) who have the power to delete threads, edit posts of regular users and even ban people! :o
How can this be allowed?? I want that power too! :(

I've previously had the impression of this forum sticking true to it's 'principles of free speech'. (This is from theymos, not me). The forum has always very very rarely modified anything in Scam Accusations. It seems that some administrators forget these principles when it is convenient for them, which they do have the power to do, but they shouldn't pretend that such principles apply in practice.

Oh, and theymos's dox is in plenty of places.

Has has removed the dox of obviously innocent people before. KWH was one such person he removed the dox of.

IIRC he has mentioned before that he will remove personal information if it was obtained by hacking or it is clearly obvious to theymos that the person is innocent of scamming. Theymos must have considered himself innocent of scamming or maybe the dox was obtained via hacking, it did have the last 4 digits of his CC which seems to indicate it came from a retailer or such.