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Title: Official statement regarding sale of Satoshi Poker Post by: BitcoinFlush on July 16, 2014, 10:22:32 AM Hi guys,
Former CEO of Satoshi Poker here. I tried to do the right thing and sell Satoshi Poker to an interested party, who were willing to relaunch Satoshi Poker as BurnTurn.eu, a new poker site legally owned by Open Source Industries Ltd in Antigua, with CEO Ragnar del Torres, but in fact owned and operated by Tampa,FL based Mr Brandon Casten. As Satoshi Poker was nearly bust, I had no other choice than to sell the site for just a plane ticket home with the agreement that player balances would be covered as soon as they had received all the passwords, credentials etc etc. As such I agreed but until this day the buyer has failed to honour the agreement and allow my former customers to cash out their funds. As you can see on satoshipoker.org, the official version why BurnTurn.eu is not launching is that they wish to release an open source poker software which is still in development. To me personally, their spokesperson Brandon Casten (http://www.linkedin.com/in/brandoncasten) said the following: https://i.imgur.com/m1aMzc6.png To some of my affiliates, who asked why the site isn't live yet and why players can't cash out yet, he said: https://i.imgur.com/kXCUDhM.png Funny, because enterrabitcoinpoker.com does offer free use of the bitcoin deposit and withdrawal system which works with their software! After confronting him with this, he basically blocked me on skype, has not been answering my emails and on the side has been attacking my affiliates for still having contact with me. Basically, he doesn't want to pay the players. I am nearly finished with my preparations to sue Mr Brandon Casten and BurnTurn.eu to terminate the agreement and hand me back the software, databases etcetera. If he does, I would be able to have all players paid in at most a week after server transfer etcetera has been done. If he doesn't either hand the software back over or honour the agreement and pay Satoshi Poker's players, I will sue Mr Brandon Casten personally for the lies he has spread about the reason for not paying out the players as this is a legal ground to sue him personally in the United States. Besides that, I will sue BurnTurn.eu (by their legal name Open Source Industries Limited in Antigua) to enforce getting back control over software and backend so all players will be paid. I would kindly request you all to be real careful with this site and would strongly advice that, if he does in the end allow it, former Satoshi Poker players immediately withdraw their balances from the site, as for now the new owner has clearly shown he doesn't care about the liabilities that he bought with the site. As shown online ( http://calvinayre.com/2014/07/03/poker/beckys-affiliated-burnturn-btc-poker/ ) he plans to release burnturn.eu late 2014 and I will not have my former players wait this long, when the agreement has been very clear about the condition of sale. As for people who are interested in the agreement by which Satoshi Poker has been sold: https://mega.co.nz/#!UkVDlLQb!9IiH-Rt0n4mucDJIIPPm_6fA-RGLj4zZ-PUw5UN9pns (https://mega.co.nz/#!UkVDlLQb!9IiH-Rt0n4mucDJIIPPm_6fA-RGLj4zZ-PUw5UN9pns) And the transfer of the license, to Mr Brandon Casten himself: https://mega.co.nz/#!l003mTQR!Vp3rOwJ6nKQ3fVMpK_YbUrS4MY-uNJbzR9QvY_54ys8 (https://mega.co.nz/#!l003mTQR!Vp3rOwJ6nKQ3fVMpK_YbUrS4MY-uNJbzR9QvY_54ys8) To all my former customers at Satoshi Poker: I will do everything within my power to enforce the buyer to either pay out the players or hand over all software and credentials to me so I can pay them myself. I will not allow the buyer to just take Satoshi Poker's players and abandon its players the way he has done. Please feel free to send me a PM, email (bpvanoort@gmail.com) or skype (bp_van_oort) if you wish to keep up to date with the progress. Best regards, Bart van Oort former CEO Satoshi Poker. Title: Re: Official statement regarding sale of Satoshi Poker Post by: BitcoinFlush on July 16, 2014, 10:33:13 AM Links and images corrected. They were in incorrect order.
Title: Re: Official statement regarding sale of Satoshi Poker Post by: BitcoinFlush on July 16, 2014, 11:05:08 AM Thank you igaming.org for covering it this quickly...
http://igaming.org/poker/news/former-ceo-of-satoshi-poker-states-new-owners-doesnt-wish-to-pay-players/ (http://igaming.org/poker/news/former-ceo-of-satoshi-poker-states-new-owners-doesnt-wish-to-pay-players/) Title: Re: Official statement regarding sale of Satoshi Poker Post by: RagnarBT on July 16, 2014, 02:40:04 PM I would ask the moderator to remove these slanderous remarks. Bart is unfortunately very confused at this time and is sharing the details of a private agreement.
I would also like to remind everyone that it was Bart who is guilty of defrauding his players of around 22 BTC, when he decided to spend the funds in his players' accounts instead of segregating player funds as any reputable poker site would. This is the only FACT that truly matters here. He was bailed out by the BurnTurn team, who accepts this liability, but must do so in a secure fashion to ensure that players get what they are owed. When BurnTurn goes live (very soon), all verified accounts will be credited for instant withdrawal. That promise has not been broken, but it has taken longer than expected to unwind the web of mistakes made by Bart. The BurnTurn team would love to be live with Satoshi Poker, but the software was not ready to launch. Title: Re: Official statement regarding sale of Satoshi Poker Post by: AcoinL.L.C on July 16, 2014, 02:51:27 PM I would ask the moderator to remove these slanderous remarks. Bart is unfortunately very confused at this time and is sharing the details of a private agreement. I would also like to remind everyone that it was Bart who is guilty of defrauding his players of around 22 BTC, when he decided to spend the funds in his players' accounts instead of segregating player funds as any reputable poker site would. This is the only FACT that truly matters here. He was bailed out by the BurnTurn team, who accepts this liability, but must do so in a secure fashion to ensure that players get what they are owed. When BurnTurn goes live (very soon), all verified accounts will be credited for instant withdrawal. That promise has not been broken, but it has taken longer than expected to unwind the web of mistakes made by Bart. The BurnTurn team would love to be live with Satoshi Poker, but the software was not ready to launch. If you plan on launching with different software I would be interested in purchasing the Enterra software that satoshipoker ran with. Hope this works out for everyone Title: Re: Official statement regarding sale of Satoshi Poker Post by: RagnarBT on July 16, 2014, 02:59:25 PM If anyone has direct questions to me about the Satoshi Software, their personal bitcoins on the site or any concerns, please directly email me: ragnar@burnturn.eu I am willing to discuss anything except the legal terms of the deal between the old CEO of Satoshi and our company.
I am done airing any grievances in a public forum, but could not allow this to go without a response. From here, I will not respond to the forthcoming angry responses from Bart or anyone else. Anyone who wants my opinion is welcome to send a note. AGAIN: WE WILL CREDIT ALL VALID ACCOUNTS UPON LAUNCH OF BURNTURN.EU Title: Re: Official statement regarding sale of Satoshi Poker Post by: smoothie on July 16, 2014, 07:25:53 PM Looks like a bit of finger pointing on both sides.
Watching closely. Title: Re: Official statement regarding sale of Satoshi Poker Post by: BitcoinFlush on July 16, 2014, 09:12:13 PM AGAIN: WE WILL CREDIT ALL VALID ACCOUNTS UPON LAUNCH OF BURNTURN.EU late 2014, as you state in http://calvinayre.com/2014/07/03/poker/beckys-affiliated-burnturn-btc-poker/ (http://calvinayre.com/2014/07/03/poker/beckys-affiliated-burnturn-btc-poker/)?I would ask the moderator to remove these slanderous remarks. Bart is unfortunately very confused at this time and is sharing the details of a private agreement. Slander? Please ellaborate where you see slander. I posted nothing but the truth and the agreement of sale to verify this. As for sharing a private agreement: you bought a pokersite on which players hold money and don't allow them to access their funds. I would also like to remind everyone that it was Bart who is guilty of defrauding his players of around 22 BTC, when he decided to spend the funds in his players' accounts instead of segregating player funds as any reputable poker site would. This is the only FACT that truly matters here. He was bailed out by the BurnTurn team, who accepts this liability, but must do so in a secure fashion to ensure that players get what they are owed. When BurnTurn goes live (very soon), all verified accounts will be credited for instant withdrawal. That promise has not been broken, but it has taken longer than expected to unwind the web of mistakes made by Bart. The BurnTurn team would love to be live with Satoshi Poker, but the software was not ready to launch. The software was fully operational. It would have been a simple topup of the hot wallet and players would be able to access their funds and continue playing poker like they did for a year. The enterra poker software has been untouched, as it has always been managed by enterra poker itself.I don't deny the players were owed 22BTC and I don't deny that this is part due to my mismanagement. This is a public secret after the public auction performed on this very same forum. However, there is no web of mistakes, just a (as we speak) 13 BTC less in cold storage than in the player accounts. I'm not going to play a game of pointing fingers. But I will have you pay out the players. Title: Re: Official statement regarding sale of Satoshi Poker Post by: RagnarBT on July 17, 2014, 01:32:36 AM For all Satoshi players who were burned by the former CEO and could not withdraw their funds, BurnTurn will honor your accounts in advance of our launch if you need.
Please email: satoshirefund@burnturn.eu and we will return your stolen BTC as soon as we can verify your identity. Please help us by providing as much account info as possible…ideally username, password and associated email address. Also let us know the BTC address to which you would like your refund. Also, we hope you can enjoy BurnTurn and forget your negative experience at Satoshi Poker. Title: Re: Official statement regarding sale of Satoshi Poker Post by: BitcoinFlush on July 18, 2014, 04:58:41 AM For all Satoshi players who were burned by the former CEO and could not withdraw their funds, BurnTurn will honor your accounts in advance of our launch if you need. Nice statement. Except for the fact that Satoshi Poker offered anonymous poker, and basically you are just providing yourself another way of not paying out players that are owed. And in fact, they wouldn't be burned if it didn't took you guys over 2 months since contract to live up to the agreement and perform the relaunch as Brandon Casten offered, instead of coming back from this by various different reasons and still not paying a dime.Please email: satoshirefund@burnturn.eu and we will return your stolen BTC as soon as we can verify your identity. Please help us by providing as much account info as possible…ideally username, password and associated email address. Also let us know the BTC address to which you would like your refund. Also, we hope you can enjoy BurnTurn and forget your negative experience at Satoshi Poker. Anyway, I didn't start this thread to have a public discussion with a dishonest person as you, I just wanted to inform our players what has been going on and the steps I am going to take to undo the harm you have caused to them by blocking their balances until late 2014. I am hoping you did see the light now and will honour the agreement, pay out the players and give them a choice whether or not to play at your site. I am not here for a personal crusade against you guys, I just want the players to be paid. In fact, I will send an email to the players, notifying them of this post and if you are sincere regarding paying them out, I wish you the best of luck. Title: Re: Official statement regarding sale of Satoshi Poker Post by: sirhotalot on July 18, 2014, 08:49:41 AM I would ask the moderator to remove these slanderous remarks. Bart is unfortunately very confused at this time and is sharing the details of a private agreement. I would also like to remind everyone that it was Bart who is guilty of defrauding his players of around 22 BTC, when he decided to spend the funds in his players' accounts instead of segregating player funds as any reputable poker site would. This is the only FACT that truly matters here. He was bailed out by the BurnTurn team, who accepts this liability, but must do so in a secure fashion to ensure that players get what they are owed. When BurnTurn goes live (very soon), all verified accounts will be credited for instant withdrawal. That promise has not been broken, but it has taken longer than expected to unwind the web of mistakes made by Bart. The BurnTurn team would love to be live with Satoshi Poker, but the software was not ready to launch. If you plan on launching with different software I would be interested in purchasing the Enterra software that satoshipoker ran with. Hope this works out for everyone The software is free: http://www.enterrabitcoinpoker.com/ Title: Re: Official statement regarding sale of Satoshi Poker Post by: BitcoinFlush on July 18, 2014, 11:53:08 AM I would ask the moderator to remove these slanderous remarks. Bart is unfortunately very confused at this time and is sharing the details of a private agreement. I would also like to remind everyone that it was Bart who is guilty of defrauding his players of around 22 BTC, when he decided to spend the funds in his players' accounts instead of segregating player funds as any reputable poker site would. This is the only FACT that truly matters here. He was bailed out by the BurnTurn team, who accepts this liability, but must do so in a secure fashion to ensure that players get what they are owed. When BurnTurn goes live (very soon), all verified accounts will be credited for instant withdrawal. That promise has not been broken, but it has taken longer than expected to unwind the web of mistakes made by Bart. The BurnTurn team would love to be live with Satoshi Poker, but the software was not ready to launch. If you plan on launching with different software I would be interested in purchasing the Enterra software that satoshipoker ran with. Hope this works out for everyone The software is free: http://www.enterrabitcoinpoker.com/ Title: Re: Official statement regarding sale of Satoshi Poker Post by: st1letto on July 18, 2014, 01:22:41 PM i'm giving him a chance - just sent an email, stating my username, password and outstanding funds from SP
let's see Title: Re: Official statement regarding sale of Satoshi Poker Post by: BitcoinFlush on July 18, 2014, 07:25:19 PM i'm giving him a chance - just sent an email, stating my username, password and outstanding funds from SP I'm looking forward to the outcome!let's see Title: Re: Official statement regarding sale of Satoshi Poker Post by: RagnarBT on July 18, 2014, 08:48:26 PM i'm giving him a chance - just sent an email, stating my username, password and outstanding funds from SP let's see My Apologies! The email went to the wrong folder. I found your email and refunded the BTC. For the sake of all on this post, can you verify that you received them? I apologize for the delay and hope you'll enjoy BurnTurn Poker! Best, Ragnar Title: Re: Official statement regarding sale of Satoshi Poker Post by: NotLambchop on July 18, 2014, 10:28:31 PM ... If you plan on launching with different software I would be interested in purchasing the Enterra software that satoshipoker ran with. Hope this works out for everyone Lol, what's wrong with your posh and fabulous localpunter.com? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=696524.0) Title: Re: Official statement regarding sale of Satoshi Poker Post by: st1letto on July 19, 2014, 12:02:22 AM Dear RagnarBT!
Thanks for taking a prompt action and sending me my outstanding funds on SP behalf as their successor! I feel like the lucky one, just turned up at the right time, already after abandoning all hopes! On another note - I wish both sides come to terms [unlikely], I understand you are very strongly passionate and ambitious each for his own business, I feel the same at time when I cannot agree with someone who does not share my view in business, and that has served me badly so many times and partnerships, alliances have been broken! Can't we all prosper under the same sky? I understand, fighting your rivals or competition is also very attractive, too! But still, let's think about it, okay! Best regards to all involved parties! Title: Re: Official statement regarding sale of Satoshi Poker Post by: RagnarBT on July 19, 2014, 12:16:36 AM st1letto,
My pleasure! I signed a contract to take on the liabilities of Satoshi about a month ago and my intention is to pay everyone who has a legitimate balance. The vast majority of balances were extremely low and there are over 1,000 accounts with balances, so the easiest way was to credit SP accounts and allow immediate withdrawal. When I realized I couldn't reasonably get SP running in short order, we had to make the decision to rollover people onto BurnTurn. It was tough, because I don't want there to be any more negative stories in the BTC space…such as the one that the former CEO created. The rest of the stuff is just petty bullshit and I have no idea why some people felt the need to bash me. I'm not mad, just don't want undue negativity towards BurnTurn before we have a chance to earn people's trust. I am confident that time will show that we are honest people with an excellent online poker experience. Luckily the very few who have decided to bash our people are pretty irrelevant. Again, for all who want to reclaim their BTC that were stolen by the old owner of Satoshi Poker, please email: satoshirefund@burnturn.eu Thank you, Ragnar Title: Re: Official statement regarding sale of Satoshi Poker Post by: mcb1221 on July 19, 2014, 01:16:58 AM st1letto, My pleasure! I signed a contract to take on the liabilities of Satoshi about a month ago and my intention is to pay everyone who has a legitimate balance. The vast majority of balances were extremely low and there are over 1,000 accounts with balances, so the easiest way was to credit SP accounts and allow immediate withdrawal. When I realized I couldn't reasonably get SP running in short order, we had to make the decision to rollover people onto BurnTurn. It was tough, because I don't want there to be any more negative stories in the BTC space…such as the one that the former CEO created. The rest of the stuff is just petty bullshit and I have no idea why some people felt the need to bash me. I'm not mad, just don't want undue negativity towards BurnTurn before we have a chance to earn people's trust. I am confident that time will show that we are honest people with an excellent online poker experience. Luckily the very few who have decided to bash our people are pretty irrelevant. Again, for all who want to reclaim their BTC that were stolen by the old owner of Satoshi Poker, please email: satoshirefund@burnturn.eu Thank you, Ragnar Thanks you for sending my funds, hopefully it confirms https://blockchain.info/tx/578a0da8be688a25af98cb8dcea82656fbddc8f7fb87ac90390c7874f075c396 Title: Re: Official statement regarding sale of Satoshi Poker Post by: RagnarBT on July 19, 2014, 01:42:28 AM No problem!
Title: Re: Official statement regarding sale of Satoshi Poker Post by: BitcoinFlush on July 19, 2014, 04:52:33 AM RagnarBT, All I wanted is BurnTurn to start paying out the players as was promised. As I see you are now making a serious effort to do so, I wish you the best of luck with BurnTurn Poker!
Title: Re: Official statement regarding sale of Satoshi Poker Post by: wosinddiehirsche on July 21, 2014, 12:51:47 PM i get back my funds very fast.
thank you Title: Re: Official statement regarding sale of Satoshi Poker Post by: plo8monster on July 23, 2014, 04:03:02 AM Why if you are doing the right thing would you send me a reply email asking for a compromise.. You were 100% aware of my funds on the site. And agreed to pay me. in full...
You were kind enough to pay me 5 of the 7.8 Bitcoin i kept on site. I expect you to be a gentleman and honor your agreement with me. Honestly i think you are responding to my request for refund pretty cheesy. I think it is in response to me sharing what ya said to me, with Bart. All i was trying to do was light a fire under Bart to get him to give ya all the keys ya needed to complete the sale. Your anger over Barts antics are misdirected at me. [6/2/2014 8:29:03 PM] Brandon Casten: I just spoke to him and we are all set. Thank you, Randy! BTW, can you get after Bart, he isn't getting back to me with important info. I do not wish to make our conversations public Brandon Casten. I simply wish to be refunded my bitcoin just like the other players. I kept my funds online for months and months to be sure Bart could cover players requests.. And my funds were the lions share of the site.. You were aware i held ~~8btc of the 22BTC debt to players, you agreed to pay.... I am honest to a fault, I am not trying to get over on you, and your email to me made me feel as if you think i am trying to scam you... I took it personally as an insult !!!! My funds on SP were seldom available to me during the last 4 months of SP. I HAD TO keep them on site just to protect players funds. So now my efforts come back to me with you telling me you think paying 5 of the 7.8 as a compromise. YOU ARE and WERE !!! FULLY AWARE OF MY FUNDS ON SITE !!! I Replied to your compromise, cheesy email.. Please do the right thing Brandon. Im not the one you should punish for Bart's posts.... All i ever did was try and help you thru dealing with Bart.. I know how that can get. Bart can be a real shit to deal with, so I fully understand your anger: but it is misdirected at me..... Keep your word, be a good man not some immature responses to the former CEO, that effect me and my family. The 2.8 btc you still owe me is no small amount. That is a lot of tuition money... I do not agree to a compromise .... Pay as you agreed to. If you allow your anger at Bart to effect the way you treat me, then you are absolutely no better than he is.. Taking or keeping what is NOT YOURS is Stealing, no matter if you put lipstick on it, and call it a compromise. ~~plo8 added: Nothing will please me more than printing a retraction to this post !!! I do have confidence you will do the right thing. The moment i see my bitcoin sent to my wallet i will retract or remove the post!! Im sure you have lots to deal with, matter fact it was me who you consulted very early on to start this ball rolling. I have confidence you will do the right thing, however, I feel the need to speak up. The players need to know you are trying to short change me. They know how hard i worked for them. Do you ?? like i said I will be very happy to turn this post into good account for your venture with BurnTurn.. Do you really want this to haunt you.. Please do the right thing so I can retract my posts! I do NOT LIKE DRAMA, i simply want to be paid what is mine !! As you agreed to ... ~~plo8 Title: Re: Official statement regarding sale of Satoshi Poker Post by: plo8monster on July 24, 2014, 01:49:53 AM The following, shows Brandon/Ragnar (whatever identity he wishes to portray) Ask me time and again to get Bart to do something "PLEASE TALK TO BART"
I helped Brandon as much as i possibly could to be get the sale completed and players paid !!! Now in response, he lashes out at me. And now replies to my request for funds with a cheesy email telling me that he thinks 5 of the 7.8 Bitcoin I kept on SP is a good compromise !! BS!!! I believe it was done to punish me for giving Bart some piece of information Brandon shared with me !!! [5/22/2014 3:12:43 PM] plo8 monster: Brandon are you available for a couple minutes?? [5/22/2014 3:13:49 PM] plo8 monster: [Thursday, May 22, 2014 3:08 PM] plo8 monster: <<< So is the sale complete, has Bart gotten you all neccessary transfers of control ?? I still need access to my funds... I am now current on my personal bills, but still almost 2k short of head stone and a 2yr upkeep contract.... These guys have been very patient with me getting them paid.. but will not deliver head stone until reciept of $1978 ... I need 4 btc urgently... I do have a w/d in place on the site, but i do not know how you plan to proceed... Im not trying to be pushy in any way, I am trying to just let this all fall into place.. But my Btc is a large part of why Bart sold SP... I really owuldnt bother you if it were not important.... Can ya please let me know your plans to get me paid..? Is there anything i can do to help? Just let me know... [5/22/2014 3:39:37 PM] Brandon Casten: Hey Randy, I am tied up at the moment. I cannot release any funds until Bart hands over all of the property of SP. At this point, we haven't heard back from him other than that he couldn't access one of the emails. The sooner Bart gives us what we need the sooner you can get paid, so if you want to talk to Bart, that would make things quicker [5/22/2014 3:40:38 PM] plo8 monster: I will do... he gave me the impression it was complete...sorry to bother ya, i will hit bart up asap a light a fire under his feet LOL [5/22/2014 3:41:05 PM] Brandon Casten: Haha. Sounds good. As soon as he gets us everything we will be all set [5/22/2014 3:41:42 PM] plo8 monster: well he knows what shape i am in.... im sure he will hurry up and get it done [5/22/2014 3:44:20 PM] Brandon Casten: Sounds good [6/2/2014 8:29:03 PM] Brandon Casten: I just spoke to him and we are all set. Thank you, Randy! BTW, can you get after Bart, he isn't getting back to me with important info [6/2/2014 8:29:40 PM] plo8 monster: ok i will .... i will speak to him sometime today [6/2/2014 8:29:47 PM] Brandon Casten: Thank you! [7/1/2014 3:02:08 PM] plo8 monster: Hey Brandon, what is the status of players funds on SP. I need to know apporximatley when you wil pay the balance of my account on SP off... I have waited very patiently, it is now July and you have still have my bitcoin.. whats up with that Brandon??? Can you tell me when you intend to honor the accounts on SP. This seems like a very very long time to pay off players accounts... [7/2/2014 9:45:17 AM] Brandon Casten: Bart truly fucked up the code and lost a couple very important files. We are unable to relaunch SP and are rolling over the accounts onto BurnTurn, which will be in beta in about a month. I know this has taken long but we can't launch a site without some of the key functions such as proper withdrawal code [7/9/2014 6:43:05 AM] Brandon Casten: You betrayed my trust by letting Bart know an exact, private quote that I sent you. He is now trying to sue me. You are the only person who has gotten an advance on his BTC from SP and this is the way you treat me? I am glad that we are not in business together. [7/9/2014 10:41:51 AM | Edited 10:42:50 AM] plo8 monster: BRANDON !!! Wow, your lashing out at me? Dude, i have tried to be helpful to you.. I dont know what the hell your talking about a quote from Bart?? Man I rarely speak to Bart, because he always has way to much drama for me.. I think ya both have been somewhat childish and immature, and the players who have bitcoin on the site suffer!!! You squable over semantics while the players are still not paid !! I really dont know your plans, but if you let anger at Bart dictate your behaviour, well than your no better than him... Goodluck in whatever direction you take. If you think I have betrayed you or even think that i am the sort of person who would do you wrong, then i rekon i am glad we are not in business together also.. AS for an advance, you cant advance me what is mine to begin with.. Jesus Brandon where is your head..LOL I have seen Bart piss people off before, but your hem hawing around and not getting players paid is just poor business, and poor Karma. Are you under contract to pay the players off? If you do right by the players Brandon..I will stand up for you...Publicly!! ....IF you keep jack assing around with Bart blaming him and not getting anything done. I will not be willing to help in any way. I am pretty disgusted with the BOTH of you ..and YES I AM sending Bart a copy of this also !!!! ... ********************************************************************************************************************* I may have no recourse to get my payment in full from you Brandon Casten, BUT YOU can bet your last Bitcoin I will not go away. So you make small payments to a few players, for image, but the large accounts ..you think you can compromise.. What a crock of crap !! **************************** PLAYERS BEWARE, !!!! The following is the email correspondence, after sending request per the post in this thread provided by Brandon Casten: Randy, I am the one who is charged with analyzing the data and making decisions on refunds. For people with set balances (Bart's spreadsheet matched the one that we pulled from the SP database), we are refunding their balances with no questions asked and have done so for 11 people to date, including you. For people with balances that we cannot verify, we are finding a compromise. There has been one other person in your shoes, who claims to have a pending deposit that was never paid, but we cannot verify. We were able to come to a fair agreement with that person even though we were note bound to pay him by the contract with Bart. We'd like to believe everyone is telling the truth, but we could open the doors to a ton of people claiming they have BTC that they didn't earn and we'd open the door for scams. All decisions made to refund unverified balances are made on a case by case basis. At this point, your balance is about 3.8 BTC and this is verified by both the database and Bart. We have already paid you 5 BTC and you were the first person to get paid. I know you claim to have been owed a total of 7.8 BTC, but we have no way of verifying that you actually owned all of those BTC. For this reason, we feel like paying you 5 BTC is a pretty fair compromise. Best, {{{{************************** IN THE EMAIL THEY SENT .... I see them say " For people with set balances (Bart's spreadsheet matched the one that we pulled from the SP database)," :: " we are refunding their balances with no questions"" THAT IS ... in beginning of email, then at end of email they say ...." At this point, your balance is about 3.8 BTC and this is verified by both the database and Bart. " and the withdraw in question has been validated by Brandon a month ago ,,, see the following skype chat***************}}}}}}}. .I would think getting players paid promptly would be priiority 1.... I dont know ....guesse i shouldnt be minding oyur business... I just want you guys to get this chapter closed so we can all move forward... [6/13/2014 8:13:20 AM] Brandon Casten: We found your 4 BTC withdrawal last night. Please be patient, we are trying to deal with a ton of data here. [6/13/2014 8:56:22 PM] plo8 monster: ty for letting me know.... that eases my mind. T BOTTOM LINE IS HE KNEW ABOUT THE PENDING WITHDRAW, BUT IS MAD AT ME AND DENYING ME PAYMENT IF FULL !!! And my reply, which is still unanswered: ( my reply is the following ) Not sure why ya would send this email.??? Brandon Casten is aware of the withdraw and the 2.8 btc balance on the site. He has been a gentleman about everything right up until Bart Van Oort pulled his BS. Dont blame him for being angry, but it is misdirected at me. I expect Brandon to keep his word as agreed and pay me the balance of my funds. That balance is 2.8 btc [6/13/2014 8:13:20 AM] Brandon Casten: We found your 4 BTC withdrawal last night. Please be patient, we are trying to deal with a ton of data here. I had 7.8 btc on site //// and a 4 btc withdraw pending (never processed) Brandon is aware of this /// Brandon graciously sent me 5 btc of my balance to help with some funeral expenses (for that i am so very grateful)... The 5 he sent means the balance is 2.8 Btc... He agreed to send upon opening the site. You will show a balance of 3,8 .. beacause of the 7.8btc balance minus the pending 4 btc withdraw ..that is in question!! I did offer a compromise ...send me 2 btc and leave .8 on site to give it a test drive and good Public Review !! as I promised I would all along..... Please Ragnar, discuss this with Brandon.. Thank you for your prompt reply !!! ********************************** THE PENDING WITHDRAW (WAS VALIDATED BY BRANDON!!) This is the deal, Brandon knew there was a 4 btc pending withdraw of the 7.8 bitcoin i held in SP He sent me 5 Btc to help with a funeral expense (he was in negotiations with me to help him restore the site, so he sent 5) I accepted A better offer from a major online poker site. And i then went to the back burner...although i continued to try and help the sale complete and players paid!!! The 3.8 btc they show currently on my account verified by data base and Bart ..is the result of 7.8 bitcoin minus 4 btc with draw that never was processed, showing 4(pending w/d) + 3.8 Brandon paid 5 of the 7.8 btc...they owe me 2.8... BEWARE PLAYERS !!! they tell me they are negotiating with people who had "who claims to have a pending deposit that was never paid, but we cannot verify" they meant TO SAY pending WITHDRAW that was never paid... They are speaking of a pending withdraw //// deposit is a typo : .. I just want you guys to get this chapter closed so we can all move forward... [6/13/2014 8:13:20 AM] Brandon Casten: We found your 4 BTC withdrawal last night. Please be patient, we are trying to deal with a ton of data here. [6/13/2014 8:56:22 PM] plo8 monster: ty for letting me know.... that eases my mind. Ty Now that i am no longer of value to him, he decides not to honor his agreement !! plus he is pisses because i told Bart why he wasnt paying players yet!!! HE has all the information to validate my account, and yet sends me a cheesy email telling me they feel partial payment is a good compromise because they cant validate, what Brandon clearly states he validated !!! And they make statement they have compromised with another player.. So players beware !!! you owe them no compromise.. They can either keep their word in full, or be cheesy, Foolishly thinking the players dont communicate with one another !! I have sacrificed enough, thru this all...I WILL NOT COMPROMISE !!! PAY ME IN FULL AS YOU AGREED. YOUR GAMBLE WITH KARMA IS A POOR INDICATOR OF WHERE YOU ARE GOING WITH YOUR NEW SITE!! ~~~plo8monster Title: Re: Official statement regarding sale of Satoshi Poker Post by: BitcoinFlush on July 24, 2014, 02:21:05 AM I see exactly what is going on here.
Ragnar, the backend and spreadsheet showed player balances without the pending withdrawals. Brandon should be aware of this as the entire conversation pre-sale we have been discussing the enterra balances and pending withdrawals. You can find the pending withdrawals in the transactions.sql which Brandon confirmed you have in your possession. You can also cancel the pending withdrawals manually in the Enterra backend and see the amounts of the withdrawal requests recredited back to the accounts. I thought you guys were aware of this as I had a lengthy conversation with Brandon about this after he asked me about plo8monster's and other player's balances. Just cancel the pending withdrawals so all players get what they are owed. The spreadsheet mentioned above is not including these pending withdrawals, but then again they only show 13 BTC in outstanding balance. Guess why we agreed on 22 btc? Because that included these withdrawals. Get it sorted ;) Title: Re: Official statement regarding sale of Satoshi Poker Post by: grinandbearit on July 25, 2014, 02:51:26 PM omg
business the satoshi way... plo: i hope youll get your founds back!!!! Title: Re: Official statement regarding sale of Satoshi Poker Post by: plo8monster on July 26, 2014, 03:59:05 AM It is Friday 1 full business week, no reply to email..
No reply to posts. He has my Skype and my phone number, And my reply to his email. I actually need to know where does the Buck stop !!! Is it Brandon, is it Ragnar. Are these 2 people who perhaps do not communicate ??? My experience is the longer someone owes me, the less they think they owe me. I live in the online Bitcoin poker world, I have fully explained my case for refund. I believe, the poker community knows im no liar, or scammer of any type, EVER !!! I have a long history as fair and honest, with a substantial number of online Bitcoin poker players. I am bitter. When i give of myself to help someone and they screw me over i get that way !! Hopefully he will get it together and do the right thing.... ~~plo8 Title: Re: Official statement regarding sale of Satoshi Poker Post by: iqzero on July 27, 2014, 04:50:06 PM all good, funds received in less than 24hrs.
Title: Re: Official statement regarding sale of Satoshi Poker Post by: plo8monster on July 29, 2014, 05:18:39 AM Still nothing, no email reply
no Skype no phone call I doubt he will pay me my Bitcoin. I gave him all the info he needs to do the right thing. No reply is pretty petty ... when he needed to talk to me, i always made time for him. I genuinely did try to help the guy. And of course willing to help in anyway i could to get players paid, AS PROMISED !!! started in May it is almost September, Impressive huh? It all boils down to this: [7/2/2014 9:45:17 AM] Brandon Casten: Bart truly fucked up the code and lost a couple very important files. We are unable to relaunch SP and are rolling over the accounts onto BurnTurn, which will be in beta in about a month. I know this has taken long but we can't launch a site without some of the key functions such as proper withdrawal code [7/9/2014 6:43:05 AM] Brandon Casten: You betrayed my trust by letting Bart know an exact, private quote that I sent you. He is now trying to sue me. You are the only person who has gotten an advance on his BTC from SP and this is the way you treat me? I am glad that we are not in business together. That does not relinquish his responsibility to pay players funds!!! Brandon Casten, I did not intentionally give Bart that information It wasnt revealed until I chewed his ass out for not getting his end of the deal done. Since, you told me HE was the reason for dragging this out so many months!!! Apparently that wasnt true!! That is why Bart considered suing you... I did what i did so the players could get paid, including me !!! not out of some malice to you, Hell I tried to help you!! I kinda feel bad now for the way I cussed Bart. ~~plo8 Title: Re: Official statement regarding sale of Satoshi Poker Post by: grinandbearit on July 29, 2014, 12:34:49 PM does brandon/ragnar really think anybody will ever play on a poker site where he is involved if this is the way he runs business?!?
Title: Re: Official statement regarding sale of Satoshi Poker Post by: RagnarBT on July 30, 2014, 01:16:12 AM Out of the requests for returned funds, there is only one person who has had any complaints with our decisions, and we've paid some people more than we had to. We can only work with the data that we were provided and understand if we cannot please everyone. We are making all of our decisions based on the data we have and common sense. I am unwilling to share any private details, but I would note other posts of people who verified quick payment.
I apologize if not all are happy, but we cannot universally pay out funds that cannot be verified. Otherwise, we open the door to any scammer who stumbles upon our site. Again, I am unwilling to discuss anyone's individual situation in a public forum, but am happy to refund people's stolen money, as we are doing EVERY DAY. Again, please feel free to email at satoshirefund@burnturn.eu I have never stolen anyone's money and am only trying to take care of these accounts as best as possible. All accounts that are not refunded before the BurnTurn.eu launch will be credited when BurnTurn launches. Unlike Satoshi Poker, all player funds will be held in segregated, cold storage accounts. I hope we can eventually earn everyone's trust, but I understand the skepticism with all of the unfortunate negativity from a couple loud people. Ragnar Title: Re: Official statement regarding sale of Satoshi Poker Post by: grinandbearit on July 30, 2014, 09:41:34 AM Out of the requests for returned funds, there is only one person who has had any complaints with our decisions, and we've paid some people more than we had to. We can only work with the data that we were provided and understand if we cannot please everyone. We are making all of our decisions based on the data we have and common sense. I am unwilling to share any private details, but I would note other posts of people who verified quick payment. I apologize if not all are happy, but we cannot universally pay out funds that cannot be verified. Otherwise, we open the door to any scammer who stumbles upon our site. Again, I am unwilling to discuss anyone's individual situation in a public forum, but am happy to refund people's stolen money, as we are doing EVERY DAY. Again, please feel free to email at satoshirefund@burnturn.eu I have never stolen anyone's money and am only trying to take care of these accounts as best as possible. All accounts that are not refunded before the BurnTurn.eu launch will be credited when BurnTurn launches. Unlike Satoshi Poker, all player funds will be held in segregated, cold storage accounts. I hope we can eventually earn everyone's trust, but I understand the skepticism with all of the unfortunate negativity from a couple loud people. Ragnar you already confirmed that you found plo´s pending withdraw so what you do is try steal his money! the way you argue shows that you are far away from being trustworthy and professional... btw you can´t transfer satoshi accounts to your new site without asking the account owners. Title: Re: Official statement regarding sale of Satoshi Poker Post by: plo8monster on July 30, 2014, 03:47:48 PM He has all the info he needs to pay me.
It has become personal now you jack ass ! A couple loud people, huh ? You mean the only 2 people who know what you are doing! You can question Barts integrity, he can take it ! You have no right to question mine, what an insult !!! I take great insult to you saying paying me would open the door to scammers. Piss off dude. You are a waste of my time, and have been from day one, starting way back in May. You received my help, as a professional courtesy, free of any charge. I helped you and you screwed me. You can try all the double talk you want. I laid out the sequence of events and the facts you need to make a decision on paying me. The community knows me, Im no scammer ! Your a Jack ass and have conducted business like a jack ass from day one. Lots of luck, getting the Bitcoin community to support you dude. You should probably try opening a USD$ site. I think your a Bitcoin parasite anyways. What is it you are bringing to the Bitcoin community but an appetite for players juice? If you take offense to me calling you a jack ass, then now we are both offended. Consider it term of affection compared to my true feelings toward you as a gentleman or a poker site owner/operator/parasite/epic fail ~~plo8 Title: Re: Official statement regarding sale of Satoshi Poker Post by: Laugh4Now on August 01, 2014, 12:24:50 PM Hello everyone,
I was one of the players who had some bitcoin stuck on satoshiipoker and i was also a victim in the accusations between the old and the new owner about who had to pay the lost bitcoins. I emailed the new owner about my situation and they replied to me very quickly and they told me that everything was discussed and eventually they covered my lost bitcoin wich i am very relieved of. I want to let everyone know that the new owner kept his word of paying back the lost money of the players playing on the old satoshiipoker (at least for me) and i have added a screenshot of the exchanged emails between me and their support as a proof. http://postimg.org/image/new7elem9/ I got my money back as promised so i decided to share this with the rest of you. Bye Title: Re: Official statement regarding sale of Satoshi Poker Post by: jjc326 on August 01, 2014, 02:40:16 PM This entire situation has been total chaos. I had money there a long time ago but I have no idea what my password was or how much I had there. I think it is a breach of contract that they are moving everyone to burnturn instead of just going with the old SP system which is what the new guy said he would do. It makes it impossible for all but like 10 players to get their BTC back, the few people who follow this whole saga and stick with it through all the threads and everything, send an e-mail, etc.
Title: Re: Official statement regarding sale of Satoshi Poker Post by: RagnarBT on August 01, 2014, 08:44:48 PM I apologize if this didn't go as smoothly, but please keep in mind that if I hadn't took on the Satoshi Poker liabilities, that ZERO of the stolen BTC would have been returned. I think it's important to keep in perspective that we have never stolen a single BTC. We truly regret anyone who has had a negative experience, and we can assure you that this has been very tough on our team as well.
If someone has lost a username and password, then how would they have logged into Satoshi Poker to make a withdrawal anyway? If you don't know how to access your account, it doesn't matter if it's on Satoshi Poker or BurnTurn Poker. If you have any info that you can share about your account (i.e. the email address you used), we have been spending a lot of time and effort with our tech team to verify stolen funds. Please reach out via email if you'd like some help! Title: Re: Official statement regarding sale of Satoshi Poker Post by: bigasic on August 01, 2014, 09:07:01 PM This is why you get everything in writing. But, it wouldn't be hard to prove a deposit if the sender had control of the private key of the address. that way one could prove he was the sender of said bitcoin, no need to prove password, etc.
Title: Re: Official statement regarding sale of Satoshi Poker Post by: plo8monster on August 02, 2014, 02:29:09 AM I apologize if this didn't go as smoothly, but please keep in mind that if I hadn't took on the Satoshi Poker liabilities, that ZERO of the stolen BTC would have been returned. I think it's important to keep in perspective that we have never stolen a single BTC. We truly regret anyone who has had a negative experience, and we can assure you that this has been very tough on our team as well. If someone has lost a username and password, then how would they have logged into Satoshi Poker to make a withdrawal anyway? If you don't know how to access your account, it doesn't matter if it's on Satoshi Poker or BurnTurn Poker. If you have any info that you can share about your account (i.e. the email address you used), we have been spending a lot of time and effort with our tech team to verify stolen funds. Please reach out via email if you'd like some help! Wow you are full of it !! Bart sold you SP at a tremendous loss, to BE SURE PLAYERS FUNDS were covered, a total of 22 bitcoin on players funds plus 3 bitcoin to him to exit Thialand. He did NOT steal, he went to great lengths to be sure plaYERS ARE PAID !!! He did that to be sure players were paid and no bitcoin poker player lost his funds on the site !! You could have refunded thru enterra within a first week or two of this deal that started way back in MAY!! You keep speaking of stolen bitcoin ...you are stealing 2.8 bitcoin from me... Your double talk is not gonna fool the bitcoin community of poker players. You can try and fool these guys, but the 2 Squeeky wheel (as you called us LOUD PEOPLE) here are the only two people who really know what you are doing, Shame shame !! There is no way you can really Say that players would have lost their accounts anyway if they lost their passwords. If YOU MADE THE TRANSITION SMOOTHLY AS IT COULD HAVE BEEN !! YOU DRAG IT OUR FOR MONTHS AND NOW YA HAVE TO DO A LITTLE RESEARCH TO PAY PLAYERS.. BLESS YOUR PEA PICKING LITTLE HEART.. If ya cant do this easier than you have made it lots of luck actually running a site... How bout you post the total of the 22 bitcoin liability you bought when ya purchased Satoshi Poker at a fire sale price !!! let us all see how much of the players funds you have actually paid?? How bout some transparency.. you talk like your wanting to be doing right by the players. You dont care about them, just about how cheaply ya can get thru this !! Ya have had time and all information needed to pay me properly, until you do so dont expect me to let up one little bit !!! Matter fact pay me, but dont expect me to endorse you, You have proven yourselves to me!! I know what you are doing !!! ~~plo8 edited to state: that 8 of the 22 bitcoin debt was mine, and you damn well knew that from day 1 and agreed to payment in full Title: Re: Official statement regarding sale of Satoshi Poker Post by: BitcoinFlush on August 02, 2014, 02:04:15 PM http://postimg.org/image/new7elem9/ Thank you very much for posting this! At first, I am happy that you have been paid, as was my objective when selling Satoshi Poker. As second, the e-mail sent by George confirms that RagnarBT does have access to the transactions.sql in which can be found: Username, UserID, bitcoin address for withdrawal, timestamp and IP address of the person trying to withdraw. Also, you have once more delivered the proof of continuing to blame me for your efforts when you just let the Namecheap dedicated server expire and now blame me for losing the files, while you now have admitted to have them in your possession. Just to show what Brandon said about it when he was lacking and failed to pay for the server in time: https://i.imgur.com/JfuXjtf.png Just look at the date and the moment I sent him the email: https://i.imgur.com/9nwd1q5.png The entire deposit/withdrawal system was custom made thru Enterra's API. This mean that the Enterra software does not in any way store any IP address of any withdrawal transaction, as the API only takes the funds from account when withdrawing and puts a pending transaction in the Enterra backend without any further info. By confirming you have found the withdrawal based on his IP address, you have admitted you have access to all the pending withdrawals, including the withdrawals of the people you refuse to pay. Ragnar, Brandon and George, I am asking you politely for the last time: please start paying also the people you are refusing to pay because you have personal issues with them or because the balance is too high, as you have admitted here you do have access to the pending withdrawals. Last, please refrain from your comments regarding me being responsible for you losing the dedicated server at namecheap, while I have handed you over all the credentials on the 23rd of may and you 'forgetting' to pay namecheap by the 6th of june and therefor 'losing' the files, which you now claim to have. It is pretty obvious that when you agreed to take on a player debt of 22 BTC, of which 13 BTC was in the accounts and 8 was pending withdrawals, that you don't run away from these withdrawals 'because I lost some files' (read: you have the files, and you didn't prolongue the server with namecheap on purpose as you had all you need), when in fact you just don't want to pay. If you continue your false allegations regarding the reason you are refusing to pay, I will file a lawsuit regarding slander and if you do not show instantly that you are honouring the agreement by paying the players for which you have now claimed to have the proper files, I will have the agreement terminated in court and hold you responsible for the damages you have caused. Just to show full transparency regarding the matter, here is the chat log with Mr Brandon Casten, to whom the Enterra license has been transfered: Code: [5/9/2014 2:46:09 AM] Brandon Casten: Look forward to speaking soon. Title: Re: Official statement regarding sale of Satoshi Poker Post by: BitcoinFlush on August 02, 2014, 03:14:19 PM This really has me bugged somehow. I thought you guys just messed up and have been blaming me for it to not lose your company's reputation due to the incompetence with which you seemed to have lost these files. To find out now that in fact you do have the files and have been basically straight up lying all this time just so you don't have to pay some people? That's just low. However, I have a prediction for you: you will fail your project, as a person without any integrity can't succeed long enough in the poker and especially bitcoin poker community. Eventually people will see you for what you are...
Title: Re: Official statement regarding sale of Satoshi Poker Post by: RagnarBT on August 04, 2014, 02:12:55 PM The BurnTurn team is done with responding to these redundant criticisms and will allow everyone to judge us on our actions, regardless of how you feel. I apologize for engaging in the bickering, which has made for terrible discourse on this forum. It is tough to see your name dragged through the mud and not respond.
This is my last post on this thread, so please contact us directly if you have any questions about your personal situation. We hope that you will enjoy BurnTurn.eu upon launch and thank you to those who have supported us! Title: Re: Official statement regarding sale of Satoshi Poker Post by: grinandbearit on August 04, 2014, 08:40:30 PM The BurnTurn team is done with responding to these redundant criticisms and will allow everyone to judge us on our actions, regardless of how you feel. all comments are based on your actions. reandundant criticisms? wtf... fact is you scam plo and we won´t let you sweep it under the carpet. Title: Re: Official statement regarding sale of Satoshi Poker Post by: BitcoinFlush on August 10, 2014, 06:42:42 AM well, if you see the agreement in first post then there is a set amount of btc agreed upon, which he refuses to pay. 2nd, he chose to pay out a player from holland but put some basic bs in the email and since i know most of the players from holland on a better level than just site owner, I have enough grounds for legal action.
Besides that, the site will be done before they even started, when you show to scam people like this. I'm sure this thread will be brought up when they try to launch their site. Aside from that, I might not have the best reputation in this space, but plo8monster goes back years in bitcoin poker and knows most of y'all personally. Guess I don't even have to vouch for his integrity... Almost done with finalizing the further legal steps. Will update you guys soon! Title: Re: Official statement regarding sale of Satoshi Poker Post by: Iplay4keeps on September 24, 2014, 11:41:28 PM Ragnar how can I get my money off the site??
Title: Re: Official statement regarding sale of Satoshi Poker Post by: RagnarBT on September 26, 2014, 08:34:05 PM Hello Iplay4keeps, I just sent the BTC and hope you join us at BurnTurn.eu soon!
Anyone who wants their satoshi poker BTC back, please email ragnar@burnturn.eu Title: Re: Official statement regarding sale of Satoshi Poker Post by: grinandbearit on September 27, 2014, 11:51:51 AM plo wants his chips back! nobody will join ScamTurn.eu...
Title: Re: Official statement regarding sale of Satoshi Poker Post by: plo8monster on October 05, 2014, 10:49:34 PM Plo8 chimes in: NEWS FLASH !!!
Brandon Casten of Burnturn, contacted me to day to settle my account. He made a partial payment with the balance contingent on me cleaning up this thread. The following is my effort to be fair and clear this issue. In all fairness, Bart the previous owner is the reason it has taken so long to get this done. Im sure the books he handed over to Branden had been cooked to some extent. Bart was robbing Peter to pay Paul, until finally he had to rob Paul, and tell Paul, Peter did it. The players funds should never have been accessible to Bart. He made a mess of SP in the end. I kept my 10 bitcoin on site to cover players funds. Hell i even deposited money so players could withdraw. I hope players realize as a pro for the site that I never ever had any access to back end functions of the site. As so many of you know me personally, You know i am a bitcoin evangelist. It bothers me deeply all the bad press behind this issue of refunds by the new owner to players of the previous Satoshipoker. I can only imagine what the books looked like, when he handed them over to Brandon, In all fairness i believe Branden and Ragnar are doing thier very best to get players refunded. I dont envy his job. I spent a lot of time cleaning up behind Bart, as many of you know. The thing is i have directed previous players to the email for Ragnar and they have all (everyone of them) reported to me they got their refunds... This makes me very happy and I think Burnturn should receive kudos for finally getting this mess cleaned up. KUDO's !!! It is deepest wish that every one to the very last player, to the very .01 mBtc, gets thier funds back. I am "NOW CERTAIN" they will, as i see most have been repaid to date. And to be completely honest: Branden reaching out to me to get me paid is a good sign... Understand mine was the largest by far to be paid off.. And Branden reached out to me today. For this i must say TY Brandon. (A personal man to man, cyber handshake is in order..TY Branden) I wish your site the very best. By reaching out to me today, shows character! (imho) When dealing with other peoples money there is nothing more important than character. Thank you good sir. ~~plo8 ( breathes a deep sigh of relief) Title: Re: Official statement regarding sale of Satoshi Poker Post by: RagnarBT on October 05, 2014, 11:05:56 PM Plo8 chimes in: NEWS FLASH !!!
Brandon Casten of Burnturn, contacted me to day to settle my account. He made a partial payment with the balance contingent on me cleaning up this thread. The following is my effort to be fair and clear this issue. In all fairness, Bart the previous owner is the reason it has taken so long to get this done. Im sure the books he handed over to Branden had been cooked to some extent. Bart was robbing Peter to pay Paul, until finally he had to rob Paul, and tell Paul, Peter did it. The players funds should never have been accessible to Bart. He made a mess of SP in the end. I kept my 10 bitcoin on site to cover players funds. Hell i even deposited money so players could withdraw. I hope players realize as a pro for the site that I never ever had any access to back end functions of the site. As so many of you know me personally, You know i am a bitcoin evangelist. It bothers me deeply all the bad press behind this issue of refunds by the new owner to players of the previous Satoshipoker. I can only imagine what the books looked like, when he handed them over to Brandon, In all fairness i believe Branden and Ragnar are doing thier very best to get players refunded. I dont envy his job. I spent a lot of time cleaning up behind Bart, as many of you know. The thing is i have directed previous players to the email for Ragnar and they have all (everyone of them) reported to me they got their refunds... This makes me very happy and I think Burnturn should receive kudos for finally getting this mess cleaned up. KUDO's !!! It is deepest wish that every one to the very last player, to the very .01 mBtc, gets thier funds back. I am "NOW CERTAIN" they will, as i see most have been repaid to date. And to be completely honest: Branden reaching out to me to get me paid is a good sign... Understand mine was the largest by far to be paid off.. And Branden reached out to me today. For this i must say TY Brandon. (A personal man to man, cyber handshake is in order..TY Branden) I wish your site the very best. By reaching out to me today, shows character! (imho) When dealing with other peoples money there is nothing more important than character. Thank you good sir. ~~plo8 ( breathes a deep sigh of relief) Title: Re: Official statement regarding sale of Satoshi Poker Post by: BitcoinFlush on October 06, 2014, 10:01:10 AM Ragnar, Brandon, BurnTurn Team,
With paying out you have really earned my respect and as for that I forgive you for the lies that you guys spread about me. Good luck with the launch of BurnTurn. Title: Re: Official statement regarding sale of Satoshi Poker Post by: SueGiant on October 09, 2014, 02:15:36 PM Ragnar, Brandon, BurnTurn Team, With paying out you have really earned my respect and as for that I forgive you for the lies that you guys spread about me. Good luck with the launch of BurnTurn. Nice gesture from you guys! Title: Re: Official statement regarding sale of Satoshi Poker Post by: Peegasus on October 28, 2014, 05:43:36 AM Ok that was a good read. :) I was hoping Satoshi Poker comes back really soon but it was already sold to others. hmmmm
Title: Re: Official statement regarding sale of Satoshi Poker Post by: st1letto on December 23, 2014, 11:58:57 AM and where is BumTurn poker now? i cannot even register at the http://burnturn.eu/#/register
Title: Re: Official statement regarding sale of Satoshi Poker Post by: pokerdude1337 on March 24, 2015, 06:17:12 PM It looks like BurnTurn Poker is continuing to upset people quite a bit despite still not launching. I just stumbled across http://burnturn.org (http://burnturn.org), which humorously uses the BurnTurn name but looks to be a site dedicated to linking to the various controversies around the brand and urging caution in dealing with them. While the site still hasn't launched, it does look like their Twitter feed is still being posted to pretty regularly so I'd assume a launch is coming at some point.
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