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Title: Icarus bulk orders. Who's interested?
Post by: chungenhung on March 21, 2012, 05:35:45 PM
As we all know, ngzhang will no longer take small orders. He will now only accept orders greater than 30 units.
Who would be interested in buying it together in the USA? We can make one order, and have one member distribute the units once they arrive in USA.
It would turn out to be cheaper also, since he give discounts for 30 units.

Please post how many units you are interested in. So if we get 30 units, we can order.
I am in for at least 2, could be more.


Title: Re: Icarus bulk orders. Who's interested?
Post by: Wandering Albatross on March 21, 2012, 07:32:51 PM
Start a project on kickstartr? Buy-in is $479 then if you get 30 you order, then you have to ship them to each funder and funder pays shipping.


Title: Re: Icarus bulk orders. Who's interested?
Post by: Raize on March 21, 2012, 08:08:43 PM
I can probably do this. I'd been considering doing it for the last 3 months and just this month I got some startup funding. I'd still probably have to do a Kickstarter for it since I can't cover all the costs.


Title: Re: Icarus bulk orders. Who's interested?
Post by: tucenaber on March 21, 2012, 08:18:40 PM
I could be persuaded to buy some for that price, if shipping to Europe is an option.


Title: Re: Icarus bulk orders. Who's interested?
Post by: chungenhung on March 21, 2012, 09:15:07 PM
I could be persuaded to buy some for that price, if shipping to Europe is an option.
I can ship to you if you'd like.
Please post how many would you like so we can get a count.


Title: Re: Icarus bulk orders. Who's interested?
Post by: rjk on March 21, 2012, 09:28:53 PM
The 30 unit minimum is only for last-generation Rev 3 boards. I would wait for the next version, which he has promised will be better.


Title: Re: Icarus bulk orders. Who's interested?
Post by: Syke on March 21, 2012, 10:01:07 PM
Yeah, but the new one is more like 4-6 weeks away.


Title: Re: Icarus bulk orders. Who's interested?
Post by: tucenaber on March 21, 2012, 10:34:28 PM
The 30 unit minimum is only for last-generation Rev 3 boards. I would wait for the next version, which he has promised will be better.

In may, at the earliest. With that attitude you would never buy anything;)


Title: Re: Icarus bulk orders. Who's interested?
Post by: tucenaber on March 21, 2012, 10:42:16 PM
I could be persuaded to buy some for that price, if shipping to Europe is an option.
I can ship to you if you'd like.
Please post how many would you like so we can get a count.

Good. I would buy 2 or 10. Can't decide :)


Title: Re: Icarus bulk orders. Who's interested?
Post by: antirack on March 22, 2012, 12:49:52 AM
Yeah, but the new one is more like 4-6 weeks away.

If you order batch 3 in bulk now, it also takes him a few weeks for manufacturing and testing. I'd say a month, could be more.



Title: Re: Icarus bulk orders. Who's interested?
Post by: allinvain on March 22, 2012, 01:47:05 AM
I am willing to do the same here in Canada.


Title: Re: Icarus bulk orders. Who's interested?
Post by: allinvain on March 22, 2012, 01:59:01 AM
I'm waiting for 5 right now.  But if they work as promised, I'll be interested in 5 more.
I'm in Toronto.

Cool, a fellow Canadian. Yes they definitely work as advertised. I have some. Just got another one today. They are very well built and are useful for more than just mining.


Title: Re: Icarus bulk orders. Who's interested?
Post by: twoglovedanny on March 22, 2012, 04:06:47 AM
What else can it do?


Title: Re: Icarus bulk orders. Who's interested?
Post by: Syke on March 22, 2012, 05:14:39 AM
You can use it to blow dry your hair.


Title: Re: Icarus bulk orders. Who's interested?
Post by: Gomeler on March 22, 2012, 07:02:55 AM
If there was a bulk discount on the BFL Singles I'd be in on that. Unfortunately the ROI for the Icarus boards is just too high for me. I'd be interested in 3-4 BFL singles though  :D


Title: Re: Icarus bulk orders. Who's interested?
Post by: dropt on March 22, 2012, 09:17:41 AM
I am willing to do the same here in Canada.

Hmm.

[Watching]


Title: Re: Icarus bulk orders. Who's interested?
Post by: tucenaber on March 22, 2012, 09:44:01 AM
The ROI is very hard to estimate but at $469 it looks very attractive to me. The only problem for me is avoiding getting scammed, so if we can resolve the trust issue somehow and if we can get it done quickly, I'll buy 10.


Title: Re: Icarus bulk orders. Who's interested?
Post by: Brunic on March 22, 2012, 10:42:09 AM
Yeah, but the new one is more like 4-6 weeks away.

http://boards.420chan.org/mma/src/1325481412380.jpg


Title: Re: Icarus bulk orders. Who's interested?
Post by: ngzhang on March 22, 2012, 11:29:21 AM
hummm....

hello everyone.

i come to give you some information here.

i already ordered 200 FPGAs, so i think it's very possible to finish any bulk orders in April.

for 30 boards, i can give you a free shipping to US or Canada.

so you have plenty time to make the decision.

regards.
ngzhang


Title: Re: Icarus bulk orders. Who's interested?
Post by: Energizer on March 22, 2012, 12:33:33 PM
I am in!

Will order at least 6 boards, am in Belarus. Can someone please calculate the total number of boards we've reached up till now?


Title: Re: Icarus bulk orders. Who's interested?
Post by: Energizer on March 22, 2012, 12:50:33 PM
I've decided to help in managing things!

Please edit the following draft by adding/editing/removing your nickname/country/number of boards you are ready to order within the coming 15 days.

chungenhung             USA          2 boards
Wandering Albatross   ?              ?
Raize                         ?              ?
tucenaber                  ?              ?
antirack                     ?              ?
allinvain                    Canada      ?
af_newbie                  Canada      ?
Energizer                   Belarus      6 boards
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Total number of boards:              8


Title: Re: Icarus bulk orders. Who's interested?
Post by: allinvain on March 22, 2012, 03:25:42 PM
chungenhung             USA          2 boards
Wandering Albatross   ?              ?
Raize                         ?              ?
tucenaber                  ?              ?
antirack                     ?              ?
allinvain                    Canada      1
af_newbie                  Canada      ?
Energizer                   Belarus      6 boards


kudos to ngzhang for offering free shipping to US and CDN!! :)


Title: Re: Icarus bulk orders. Who's interested?
Post by: norulezapply on March 22, 2012, 06:21:30 PM
Will you be able to post to the United Kingdom?

If so, put me down for one! :)


Title: Re: Icarus bulk orders. Who's interested?
Post by: Energizer on March 22, 2012, 07:05:56 PM
Everyone is responsible for editing the draft to add his order then repost the whole draft to the thread! It doesn't matter now where you are located! all countries are welcome! We would get to this point later when we cross at least a total amount of 30 boards confirmed 100%.


Title: Re: Icarus bulk orders. Who's interested?
Post by: Energizer on March 22, 2012, 07:43:47 PM
chungenhung             USA          2 Boards
Wandering Albatross   ?              ?
Raize                         ?              ?
tucenaber                  ?              ?
antirack                     ?              ?
allinvain                    Canada      1
af_newbie                  Canada      ?
Energizer                   Belarus      6 Boards
norulezapply               UK           1 Board
------------------------------------------------------
Total:                    4 countries    10 Boards


Title: Re: Icarus bulk orders. Who's interested?
Post by: JWU42 on March 22, 2012, 07:57:19 PM
I am thinking hard about 10 boards but the ROI is so much worse than BFL Single  ::).  Trying to run the numbers with sensitivity analysis to when they get delivered.

Will advise ASAP.

USA - Chicago area...


Title: Re: Icarus bulk orders. Who's interested?
Post by: Intention on March 22, 2012, 08:07:56 PM
I maybe interested in one or two...
Canada.


Title: Re: Icarus bulk orders. Who's interested?
Post by: tucenaber on March 22, 2012, 08:13:32 PM
chungenhung             USA           2 Boards
Wandering Albatross   ?               ?
Raize                           ?               ?
tucenaber                   Norway    10 Boards
antirack                      ?                ?
allinvain                      Canada     1
af_newbie                   Canada     ?
Energizer                    Belarus     6 Boards
norulezapply               UK            1 Board
------------------------------------------------------
Total:                    5 countries    20 Boards


Title: Re: Icarus bulk orders. Who's interested?
Post by: Syke on March 22, 2012, 08:40:26 PM
The ROI is very hard to estimate but at $469 it looks very attractive to me. The only problem for me is avoiding getting scammed, so if we can resolve the trust issue somehow and if we can get it done quickly, I'll buy 10.

Same here. I need to know details on payment and shipping. If it is low risk, then I'm in for 10.


Title: Re: Icarus bulk orders. Who's interested?
Post by: JWU42 on March 22, 2012, 08:47:14 PM
I think we have 30 and maybe 40 now...


Title: Re: Icarus bulk orders. Who's interested?
Post by: Energizer on March 22, 2012, 10:18:08 PM
I am thinking hard about 10 boards but the ROI is so much worse than BFL Single  ::).  Trying to run the numbers with sensitivity analysis to when they get delivered.

Will advise ASAP.

USA - Chicago area...

My advice to you would be simply "DIVIDE by 3" 2 for Icarus and 1 for BFL!

WHY?

BFL singles can not be used for anything other than Bitcoin and SHA256 where Icarus can be used as a DEV board! So investing more in Icarus would kinda reduce the risk of losing everything in case Bitcoin price dramatically fall down!





Title: Re: Icarus bulk orders. Who's interested?
Post by: Energizer on March 22, 2012, 10:22:10 PM
The ROI is very hard to estimate but at $469 it looks very attractive to me. The only problem for me is avoiding getting scammed, so if we can resolve the trust issue somehow and if we can get it done quickly, I'll buy 10.

Same here. I need to know details on payment and shipping. If it is low risk, then I'm in for 10.

Don't worry, we will manage to make it 100% safe and secure. I am getting in contact with ngzhang. Already asked him to accept the payments directly from us on a certain date "probably we will decide the date as soon as we reach 30 boards"!

So my plan is more like "no third party at all" as we all trust Zhang! But we have to manage it in a way that wouldn't take much of his time and effort!


Title: Re: Icarus bulk orders. Who's interested?
Post by: Energizer on March 22, 2012, 10:27:10 PM
Here is the current status! We will only count this draft

chungenhung             USA           2 Boards
Wandering Albatross   ?               ?
Raize                         ?               ?
tucenaber                   Norway    10 Boards
antirack                      ?                ?
allinvain                      Canada     1
af_newbie                   Canada     ?
Energizer                    Belarus     6 Boards
norulezapply               UK            1 Board
------------------------------------------------------
Total:                    5 countries    20 Boards


Title: Re: Icarus bulk orders. Who's interested?
Post by: Energizer on March 22, 2012, 10:28:08 PM
Please dont reply by informing us how many boards you would think about ordering! Just re-post the draft after editing it and adding your order!

EVERYONE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR ADDING HIS ORDER TO THE DRAFT!
IF YOU DONT ADD YOUR ORDER TO THE DRAFT ITS NOT GONNA BE COUNTED!


Title: Re: Icarus bulk orders. Who's interested?
Post by: Syke on March 22, 2012, 10:36:21 PM
Don't worry, we will manage to make it 100% safe and secure. I am getting in contact with ngzhang. Already asked him to accept the payments directly from us on a certain date "probably we will decide the date as soon as we reach 30 boards"!

So my plan is more like "no third party at all" as we all trust Zhang! But we have to manage it in a way that would take much of his time and effort!

Sounds ideal. Make sure Bitcoins for payment are still an option.

Adding myself to the list:

chungenhung             USA           2 Boards
Wandering Albatross   ?               ?
Raize                         ?               ?
tucenaber                   Norway    10 Boards
antirack                      ?                ?
allinvain                      Canada     1
af_newbie                   Canada     5
Energizer                    Belarus     6 Boards
norulezapply               UK            1 Board
Syke                           USA           10 Boards
------------------------------------------------------
Total:                    5 countries    35 Boards


Title: Re: Icarus bulk orders. Who's interested?
Post by: TheSeven on March 22, 2012, 10:45:28 PM
watching


Title: Re: Icarus bulk orders. Who's interested?
Post by: JWU42 on March 22, 2012, 11:18:57 PM
Adding myself to the list:

chungenhung              USA           2 Boards
Wandering Albatross     ?               ?
Raize                         ?               ?
tucenaber                  Norway    10 Boards
antirack                     ?                ?
allinvain                     Canada     1 Board
af_newbie                  Canada     5 Boards
Energizer                    Belarus     6 Boards
norulezapply               UK            1 Board
Syke                         USA        10 Boards
JWU42                       USA        10 Boards
------------------------------------------------------
Total:                    5 countries    45 Boards


Title: Re: Icarus bulk orders. Who's interested?
Post by: Energizer on March 22, 2012, 11:45:23 PM
Orders from USA and Canada, do you like to receive your orders in one shipment or separate ones?


Title: Re: Icarus bulk orders. Who's interested?
Post by: Brunic on March 23, 2012, 12:48:09 AM
I'm interested, never tried FPGA before, and it's a good opportunity.

Add 1 in Canada please  :)


Title: Re: Icarus bulk orders. Who's interested?
Post by: JWU42 on March 23, 2012, 01:14:20 AM
Adding Brunic to the list:

chungenhung              USA           2 Boards
Wandering Albatross     ?               ?
Raize                         ?               ?
tucenaber                  Norway    10 Boards
antirack                     ?                ?
allinvain                     Canada     1 Board
af_newbie                  Canada     5 Boards
Energizer                    Belarus     6 Boards
norulezapply               UK            1 Board
Syke                         USA        10 Boards
JWU42                       USA        10 Boards
Brunic                        Canada     1 Board
------------------------------------------------------
Total:                    5 countries    46 Boards


Title: Re: Icarus bulk orders. Who's interested?
Post by: allinvain on March 23, 2012, 01:31:55 AM
Orders from USA and Canada, do you like to receive your orders in one shipment or separate ones?

That doesn't apply for me as this time I'm only buying one, but I'd imagine those who ordered more than 1 would like them all at once.


Title: Re: Icarus bulk orders. Who's interested?
Post by: Syke on March 23, 2012, 04:12:52 AM
Orders from USA and Canada, do you like to receive your orders in one shipment or separate ones?

All at once is nice, but if I can get some of them sooner, then separate is good too.


Title: Re: Icarus bulk orders. Who's interested?
Post by: needbmw on March 23, 2012, 04:35:37 AM
Interested 4 boards, Russia.


Title: Re: Icarus bulk orders. Who's interested?
Post by: Raize on March 23, 2012, 06:19:50 AM
I can tell you guys right now that you're going to end up having to buy one set for Europe (with someone you all trust) and maybe two batches for the US.

I have purchased from ngzhang before and I'm willing to ship from Des Moines, Iowa (just two hours north of BFL Labs in Kansas City, Missouri). But I don't think it's merely going to cost an extra $10 for insured shipping, it'll probably be more like $15 (esp for Canada), and I'd have to find someone around here willing to repackage them securely for us (fortunately I do think I have that covered).

I guess I'm not opposed to doing this if we get enough interest for two batches. I'll probably be in the market for up to eight more depending on my private investors for my own mining op (mostly family). I'm going to talk to one of my financial backers (cousin) and see what his opinion is on the risk. I have to tell you guys, though, I wouldn't expect everything to be only $10 more when it is all said and done. When I did an international wire last time it ended up costing about $50 in total (this was the most direct way to send fiat money, however). I think I could mitigate that somewhat by using Bitcoin, but when you are talking about buying $30,000 dollars worth of equipment with BTC, there is a LOT of variance in price that could hurt you that you won't have with straight US cash. (This is just off of what experience has taught me, ngzhang can attest to my frantic emails the night Bitcoin dropped form $4.95 to $4.50 as I was preparing to send him the coin)

Anyway, I will subscribe to this thread and will give you an update on exactly how many more I'm interested in shortly. For now you can put me down for 8 and a tentative on being the one to ship them if you guys trust me. I don't really have much in the way of credentials to speak of, but:

1) I have been around for a year from my pretty dismal OTC rating (http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=NickRaize&sign=ANY&type=RECV) (:P),
2) was known for being the first guys to look seriously at Dwolla since their offices were downtown about 5 blocks from me (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=7801.0),
3) successfully predicted we'd start to see stable growth in December (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=53949.0), and
4) have recently helped subsidize some miners who were scammed while waiting for reimbursement (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=66387.0).

I would be willing to provide additional information about myself for those of you actually participating. If you look through the Icarus thread you'll see a few comments where I asked ngzhang about having authorized retailers in the US and Europe already. I would mostly be doing this service as a way to help increase reputation, but I would want to be compensated for any insured shipping that I would feel obligated to do. I do think the price could be reduced quite a bit this way, I just want to manage expectations when I said I'm not sure $10 would be enough to compensate someone for this appropriately.


Title: Re: Icarus bulk orders. Who's interested?
Post by: tucenaber on March 23, 2012, 06:46:49 AM
Don't worry, we will manage to make it 100% safe and secure. I am getting in contact with ngzhang. Already asked him to accept the payments directly from us on a certain date "probably we will decide the date as soon as we reach 30 boards"!

So my plan is more like "no third party at all" as we all trust Zhang! But we have to manage it in a way that wouldn't take much of his time and effort!

Are you kidding me? What if you pay nzgang and some dude keeps the damn boards?


Title: Re: Icarus bulk orders. Who's interested?
Post by: PulsedMedia on March 23, 2012, 08:32:38 AM
So who is handling this now?

I can accept shipment in USA or Finland, if shipping to USA is at least 10$ cheaper. (Usually isn't).

But i need to know who is now really handling this and why should i trust him/her with my hard earned BTC.


Title: Re: Icarus bulk orders. Who's interested?
Post by: Energizer on March 23, 2012, 11:26:27 AM
Currently there is no one managing the order! If you have any suggestions feel free to post!

Bottom line Zhang doesn't want to deal will multiple small orders anymore! We need to find a way were its gonna be easier for him to handle such bulk order, in terms of receiving funds and shipping!


Title: Re: Icarus bulk orders. Who's interested?
Post by: Defkin on March 23, 2012, 11:45:41 AM
Has anyone quoted getting the boards made locally?
It is open source after all, all the files needed are on Git so you can email the zip file to get the quote.
Not only that they can probably buy the components cheaper than you can.

You can also most likely arrange for the pcb maker to ship to different addresses. Have everyone pay directly so there is no trust issue.


Title: Re: Icarus bulk orders. Who's interested?
Post by: rjk on March 23, 2012, 12:47:45 PM
Currently there is no one managing the order! If you have any suggestions feel free to post!

Bottom line Zhang doesn't want to deal will multiple small orders anymore! We need to find a way were its gonna be easier for him to handle such bulk order, in terms of receiving funds and shipping!
Are you sure? I think he just didn't want to start another batch unless there were at least 30 to build all at once, I don't think he mentioned shipping being an issue. It would be good to ask him though.


Title: Re: Icarus bulk orders. Who's interested?
Post by: JWU42 on March 23, 2012, 12:54:18 PM
Guys in the US, would you be willing to pay me a slight premium to cover the admin costs of shipping out individual orders (and me tying up $15K)?  

I can fund the 30 and then ship from here (Chicago area).  We can have money held in escrow?

Just a potential option - if nobody likes it I am probably just going to order 30 and be done with it so they can get shipped ASAP.


EDIT - This got killed soon after I typed it...


Title: Re: Icarus bulk orders. Who's interested?
Post by: Intention on March 23, 2012, 01:15:19 PM
Put me down for 1 for sure (Canada) however we must sort out this logistical problem.


Title: Re: Icarus bulk orders. Who's interested?
Post by: Energizer on March 23, 2012, 01:46:14 PM
I've just ordered a bulk order of 60 boards! I've created a new thread to redistribute the order! Please join me here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=73644.0


Title: Re: Icarus bulk orders. Who's interested?
Post by: ngzhang on March 23, 2012, 05:33:01 PM
if there are somebody could run this "group purchase" with lower fee, i will accept his order.  :)
i want to give benefits directly to my customers by this last chance, not for somebody Manufacturing a scam or make profit to them self.  >:(
notice that from the beginning, i reserved the rights to choice my customers.

some additional info:

1, the order can not be large than 60, <50 are better. because i only have 90 PCBs, and already have 30 ordered by a local buyer.  :D
2, if there are no body can offer a low charge service to this group purchase, i will find a man i trusted to handle this.  :D
3, if i can't, i will not accept this group purchase, and keep the FPGAs to Lancelot project. this will not cause any loss to me.  >:(


Title: Re: Icarus bulk orders. Who's interested?
Post by: tucenaber on March 23, 2012, 07:07:34 PM
I've just ordered a bulk order of 60 boards! I've created a new thread to redistribute the order! Please join me here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=73644.0

I don't see the reason for you or anybody to be handling the money. Count me out. I'm paying nzgang directly or not at all. I'm only willing to pay a third party only for shipping and handling.


Title: Re: Icarus bulk orders. Who's interested?
Post by: Energizer on March 23, 2012, 07:35:01 PM
I've just ordered a bulk order of 60 boards! I've created a new thread to redistribute the order! Please join me here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=73644.0

I don't see the reason for you or anybody to be handling the money. Count me out. I'm paying nzgang directly or not at all. I'm only willing to pay a third party only for shipping and handling.

It would be great if ngzhang would handle everything but it seems he prefers to find someone else to handle it.


Title: Re: Icarus bulk orders. Who's interested?
Post by: Energizer on March 23, 2012, 08:14:49 PM
if there are somebody could run this "group purchase" with lower fee, i will accept his order.  :)
i want to give benefits directly to my customers by this last chance, not for somebody Manufacturing a scam or make profit to them self.  >:(
notice that from the beginning, i reserved the rights to choice my customers.

some additional info:

1, the order can not be large than 60, <50 are better. because i only have 90 PCBs, and already have 30 ordered by a local buyer.  :D
2, if there are no body can offer a low charge service to this group purchase, i will find a man i trusted to handle this.  :D
3, if i can't, i will not accept this group purchase, and keep the FPGAs to Lancelot project. this will not cause any loss to me.  >:(

If you really wanna give the benefit directly to your customers, so please handle this bulk order for us!
More over am wondering why you are posting this words now after accepting my order!!! Does that mean that you don't accept my order?

A bulk order of 60 boards = 60 * 469 = 28140 USD

Just please explain to me what for anyone would invest 28140 USD and end up selling out for the same wholesale price


Title: Re: Icarus bulk orders. Who's interested?
Post by: Energizer on March 23, 2012, 09:14:13 PM
If you really care for your customer's benefit so why you are not offering quantity discount price? Why the only discount option you are offering to your customers is a 30+ boards order!


Title: Re: Icarus bulk orders. Who's interested?
Post by: DeathAndTaxes on March 23, 2012, 09:16:18 PM
Energizer are you talking to yourself.  It is very confusing when you respond, then respond again, then quote your response again.


Title: Re: Icarus bulk orders. Who's interested?
Post by: Energizer on March 23, 2012, 09:29:59 PM
Energizer are you talking to yourself.  It is very confusing when you respond, then respond again, then quote your response again.

Sorry, that happened by mistake. I already deleted it.


Title: Re: Icarus bulk orders. Who's interested?
Post by: allinvain on March 23, 2012, 10:15:10 PM
Well this idea hit a brick wall :( I  was really hoping to get a board for the reduced price. Ohwell.


Title: Re: Icarus bulk orders. Who's interested?
Post by: ngzhang on March 24, 2012, 06:38:25 AM
Well this idea hit a brick wall :( I  was really hoping to get a board for the reduced price. Ohwell.

no, just a "self-profit-making" idea hit a wall.

i contact with on of my friend Xiangfu today, he will glad to handle this group purchase for you. with a very low charge.

i will start a new thread.


Title: Re: Icarus bulk orders. Who's interested?
Post by: allinvain on March 30, 2012, 04:17:43 PM
Well this idea hit a brick wall :( I  was really hoping to get a board for the reduced price. Ohwell.

no, just a "self-profit-making" idea hit a wall.

i contact with on of my friend Xiangfu today, he will glad to handle this group purchase for you. with a very low charge.

i will start a new thread.

Excellent! Thanks ngzhang :) I am on the new thread.