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Title: When will the next bubble start?
Post by: Mageant on August 01, 2014, 04:06:42 PM
When do you think will the next Bitcoin price bubble start?

With "bubble start" I mean the intial steep rise in price which leads to a new all-time high (usually a few weeks before the ATH).

I will again calculate the average when enough people have answered the poll.

 ;D


Title: Re: When will the next bubble start?
Post by: MRKLYE on August 01, 2014, 04:12:05 PM
Never! If you look at the charts you can clearly see BTC is on a nasty downward spiral into oblivion!
Difficulty raises are less... Coin price decreases... Its doge all over again!! ;)


Title: Re: When will the next bubble start?
Post by: kutaka on August 01, 2014, 04:36:02 PM
Doge is dying.

Bubble might come as late as after next halving - when the supply goes down. Before that, we will see 500-1000$ range.

This opinion is taken out of my ass.


Title: Re: When will the next bubble start?
Post by: luxcoin on August 01, 2014, 04:36:53 PM
NOW :)


Title: Re: When will the next bubble start?
Post by: InwardContour on August 01, 2014, 06:58:04 PM
The today's rise could be either a bounce or the start of a new rally,
to be sure of what will happen in the near future we have to wait only a couple of days,
if the price continues to climb the charts, the prediction will be really easy.


Title: Re: When will the next bubble start?
Post by: Wilhelm on August 01, 2014, 07:30:03 PM
Doge is dying.

Bubble might come as late as after next halving - when the supply goes down. Before that, we will see 500-1000$ range.

This opinion is taken out of my ass.

I would have expected it to go to the sky already.
I think your ass-prediction might hold some truth.
Nowadays all eyes are on bitcoin making is harder to cause a frenzy, everyone is waiting and hodling :)


Title: Re: When will the next bubble start?
Post by: keithers on August 01, 2014, 07:38:14 PM
I'm hoping that the next time we significantly rally that it isn't a bubble at all.  Every time we shoot up and then fall back down is when the press (and then governments) jump all over BTC and try to add more regulations.

Obviously we are going to have to deal with regulation, but the more volatile we are, the greater the chances for over regulation


Title: Re: When will the next bubble start?
Post by: knight22 on August 02, 2014, 03:53:46 AM
I think the economic activity generated during the hollydays season might spark the next one. A lot more people will use Bitcoin for Christmas shopping this year.


Title: Re: When will the next bubble start?
Post by: Rawted on August 02, 2014, 03:57:46 AM
Mid August, 2016 (the halving).


Title: Re: When will the next bubble start?
Post by: Benjig on August 02, 2014, 07:09:20 AM
A bitcoin rally can be triggered by many factors, so ita hard to predict when, its like the butterfly effect.


Title: Re: When will the next bubble start?
Post by: fa on August 02, 2014, 07:41:16 AM
some where mid-2015...


Title: Re: When will the next bubble start?
Post by: zakalwe on August 02, 2014, 07:44:47 AM
some where mid-2015...


Lol very funny! This place always is full of clowns. Do you have some magical sphere?

Anyway I guess we'll see a spike soon.


Title: Re: When will the next bubble start?
Post by: zakalwe on August 02, 2014, 07:45:10 AM
Mid August, 2016 (the halving).


Lolololol


Title: Re: When will the next bubble start?
Post by: zakalwe on August 02, 2014, 07:46:48 AM
Never! If you look at the charts you can clearly see BTC is on a nasty downward spiral into oblivion!
Difficulty raises are less... Coin price decreases... Its doge all over again!! ;)


Here comes another one........

I am in doge also but you my friend should stop smoking what you are smoking  ;D


Title: Re: When will the next bubble start?
Post by: piramida on August 02, 2014, 08:38:15 AM
Mid August, 2016 (the halving).

No, that would be the famous rally of 2016 which went from 10k to 30k


Title: Re: When will the next bubble start?
Post by: DrG on August 02, 2014, 08:42:41 AM
Never! If you look at the charts you can clearly see BTC is on a nasty downward spiral into oblivion!
Difficulty raises are less... Coin price decreases... Its doge all over again!! ;)


That's right!  I've been pouring over the fundamentals, looking at declining sales revenue, and these continuous lawsuits about patent infringement from Samsun....err, oh you're talking about BTC... WTFOMGBBQSAUCE

Did he just compared BTC to Doge?  :o


Title: Re: When will the next bubble start?
Post by: Razick on August 02, 2014, 08:58:52 AM
Doge is dying.

Bubble might come as late as after next halving - when the supply goes down. Before that, we will see 500-1000$ range.

This opinion is taken out of my ass.

DOGE was never going to hold it's value with the massive amounts being mined this year. I hold a few bucks worth just for fun, not as an investment, but that being said, I do think prices may at least stabilize after mining slows at the end of this year.


Title: Re: When will the next bubble start?
Post by: bomb177 on August 02, 2014, 09:44:57 AM
It's starting right now, say goodbye to the 500-600$ value.


Title: Re: When will the next bubble start?
Post by: niktitan132 on August 02, 2014, 10:53:58 AM
I think the next bubble will start in september.  ;)


Title: Re: When will the next bubble start?
Post by: Febo on August 02, 2014, 02:24:44 PM
18 December 2016


Title: Re: When will the next bubble start?
Post by: Markos on August 02, 2014, 02:58:58 PM
A little bubble in October from ~250 USD, like the bubble from 2 USD to 6 USD almost three years ago.

The big bubble probably in 2016, to five digits...


Title: Re: When will the next bubble start?
Post by: yunkie on August 02, 2014, 03:35:57 PM
3 december


Title: Re: When will the next bubble start?
Post by: aminorex on August 02, 2014, 03:44:10 PM
My best guess is that COIN lists on 8 November, the 10th anniversary of GLD listing.

And all the turkeys in North America cried out in terror.


Title: Re: When will the next bubble start?
Post by: soccosocco on August 02, 2014, 05:35:31 PM
When do you think will the next Bitcoin price bubble start?
I think the next bubble will start in July 2015.
it's just my opinion  :)


Title: Re: When will the next bubble start?
Post by: Mobius on August 02, 2014, 10:50:34 PM
I'm hoping that the next time we significantly rally that it isn't a bubble at all.  Every time we shoot up and then fall back down is when the press (and then governments) jump all over BTC and try to add more regulations.

Obviously we are going to have to deal with regulation, but the more volatile we are, the greater the chances for over regulation
All assets have bubbles as it is part of the market process. The question is how often do you see bubbles. In assets like housing it is very rare that you see bubbles (less then once per lifetime) as the total value of all housing is very large, and this kind of assets is very established.

Newer kinds of assets on the other hand tend to see more bubbles as they have a smaller market cap so small amounts of money entering and/or exiting them would have a greater affect on the price.


Title: Re: When will the next bubble start?
Post by: fa on August 03, 2014, 01:06:39 PM
August next year


Title: Re: When will the next bubble start?
Post by: 4onesea on August 03, 2014, 05:55:31 PM
Maybe in two or three months from now we should have started the rally.


Title: Re: When will the next bubble start?
Post by: gogxmagog on August 03, 2014, 08:01:24 PM
judging by the results of this poll at time of this posting, I would see that most of the users here want the rally to begin now, or at least very soon.
Polls like this just show how immature and unrealistic much of this community is. I cant see any sort of bubble happening ever again really, only a slow rise with greater adoption. right now we are seeing apathy and thus a slow decline. things like the ETF will only serve to prop it up a little. Market is small enough to manipulate too, don't forget. That could spell real trouble for btc valuation.


Title: Re: When will the next bubble start?
Post by: JayJuanGee on August 03, 2014, 09:04:27 PM
judging by the results of this poll at time of this posting, I would see that most of the users here want the rally to begin now, or at least very soon.
Polls like this just show how immature and unrealistic much of this community is. I cant see any sort of bubble happening ever again really, only a slow rise with greater adoption. right now we are seeing apathy and thus a slow decline. things like the ETF will only serve to prop it up a little. Market is small enough to manipulate too, don't forget. That could spell real trouble for btc valuation.


Your view of reality seems even less in touch than those of us waiting for and hoping for a bubble.  Based on the totality of investments, adoption and expectations, a rally and a bubble seems more likely than NOT - despite the realities of downward manipulation and all of that.

The current low size of the market cap is NOT capable of handling a lot that bitcoin is capable of handling and is poised to handle upon the upcoming increases in its market cap.

Invest accordingly, and we will see whose investment pays off, no?  Another good thing about bitcoin is that it allows for people to chose their own level of investment based on their view of the future... and the biggest obstacle seems to be getting started and setting up some BTC handling account(s)....


Title: Re: When will the next bubble start?
Post by: Mobius on August 03, 2014, 10:38:33 PM
judging by the results of this poll at time of this posting, I would see that most of the users here want the rally to begin now, or at least very soon.
Polls like this just show how immature and unrealistic much of this community is. I cant see any sort of bubble happening ever again really, only a slow rise with greater adoption. right now we are seeing apathy and thus a slow decline. things like the ETF will only serve to prop it up a little. Market is small enough to manipulate too, don't forget. That could spell real trouble for btc valuation.
Every asset class will have bubbles. Every asset class has had many bubbles in the past and will likely have them again in the future. The bigger the total value of the asset class is, the less frequent bubbles tend to happen, but they still happen for everything.


Title: Re: When will the next bubble start?
Post by: cbeast on August 03, 2014, 10:49:40 PM
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Title: Re: When will the next bubble start?
Post by: Mageant on August 04, 2014, 11:37:43 AM
The average prediction so far is 24.11.2014 (2014-11-24) not counting the "never" votes.


Title: Re: Re: When will the next bubble start?
Post by: TheGull on August 04, 2014, 11:53:55 AM
When do we call it a bubble? Presumably it is after we reach a new high, in which case I don't know that we'll see it this year.

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Title: Re: When will the next bubble start?
Post by: exocytosis on August 04, 2014, 11:55:12 AM
Read my lips:

No
more
bubbles.


Title: Re: When will the next bubble start?
Post by: ensurance982 on August 04, 2014, 05:09:04 PM
Mid September! People are finished unwinding from their stressful holidays and are looking to put their money somewhere. The fall awakens our instincts of hoarding food and valuables. So people will be putting some FIAT in BTC then.


Title: Re: When will the next bubble start?
Post by: romneymoney on August 04, 2014, 05:13:15 PM
I picked October, but admit I could have thrown a dart and had the same level of confidence and a broken monitor.


Title: Re: When will the next bubble start?
Post by: Marbit on August 04, 2014, 05:24:44 PM
Well, bear after bear after bear repeats "not until after all the leveraged longs have been squeezed." So I think it'll happen when enough bears have taken this position to get squeezed themselves. :P


Title: Re: When will the next bubble start?
Post by: ensurance982 on August 04, 2014, 05:29:27 PM
Well, bear after bear after bear repeats "not until after all the leveraged longs have been squeezed." So I think it'll happen when enough bears have taken this position to get squeezed themselves. :P

Yes! Yes Yes! When the Finex bubble is big enough and all the bears seemingly rejoice and call the bubble off. THEN! In a stealth attempt the bubble is going to manifest itself and start blowing up (in the good bubble-sense)


Title: Re: When will the next bubble start?
Post by: FUR11 on August 04, 2014, 05:53:24 PM
December. Things are looking rather FURry at the moment. We need to achieve a constant bull market first. I don't see the price rise exponentially already. Many people still expect the bubble to happen right now in August. First we need total desperation!


Title: Re: When will the next bubble start?
Post by: Mageant on August 06, 2014, 07:06:26 PM
bumping for a few more votes...
 ;D


Title: Re: When will the next bubble start?
Post by: Mageant on August 07, 2014, 12:44:54 PM
The final result average is: 01.12.2014 (2014-12-01) - not counting the "never" votes

Thanks for voting!  :)


Title: Re: When will the next bubble start?
Post by: fdiini on August 08, 2014, 04:28:32 PM
Started around 400 and building a strong base for the next rally.


Title: Re: When will the next bubble start?
Post by: BowieMan on August 08, 2014, 04:30:23 PM
The final result average is: 01.12.2014 (2014-12-01) - not counting the "never" votes

Thanks for voting!  :)

Thanks a lot for doing this! An interesting outcome! It almost exactly coincides with the burst of the last bubble (November 2013)!!! Is this really a coincidence? I guess we simply have to wait until some wealthy people come back from their holidays!


Title: Re: When will the next bubble start?
Post by: keithers on August 08, 2014, 05:11:15 PM
The way the market has been over the past few months I am wondering if we are even going to have a bubble. Dont get me wrong, i am long on BTC, but the more that things develop,  it seems like it may actually be a gradual increase or decrease (with little spikes) in between.


Title: Re: When will the next bubble start?
Post by: aminorex on August 10, 2014, 03:39:41 AM
The way the market has been over the past few months I am wondering if we are even going to have a bubble. Dont get me wrong, i am long on BTC, but the more that things develop,  it seems like it may actually be a gradual increase or decrease (with little spikes) in between.

When it is no longer economical to suppress exchange prices large accumulators will be forced to buy at market prices.  Then, the deluge.


Title: Re: When will the next bubble start?
Post by: mr.coinstrader on August 10, 2014, 04:31:47 AM
in December or Q1 2015 ;)


Title: Re: When will the next bubble start?
Post by: inca on August 10, 2014, 08:37:59 AM
in December or Q1 2015 ;)

Hopelessness and fatigue setting in. Soon people will just stop watching the price and then we can rise again, catching everyone by surprise!

It seems to me there are a lot of coins moving OTC behind the scenes, with on exchange prices staying static. As long as this represents big players looking for profit entering the bitcoinsosphere then everything should be OK.

Coin coming online IMO should be very bullish for the price. I predict that the price will shoot up prior to the announcement.

Here is hoping for a slow amble around towards ATH over next six months. With COIN triggering the next mania in jan or February 2015.


Title: Re: When will the next bubble start?
Post by: thisisthis on August 10, 2014, 09:20:21 AM
The next rally is starting but it won't pass the $1000 value, it will peak in two months from now maybe.


Title: Re: When will the next bubble start?
Post by: JayJuanGee on August 10, 2014, 10:01:09 AM
The next rally is starting but it won't pass the $1000 value, it will peak in two months from now maybe.

If price gets past $850-ish, then surely it is going to go past $1,600.  It is NOT too likely that we are going to see prices in the $850 to $1,600 range for any extended period of time...  b/c if the prices go into that territory.. they are going to shoot past the previous ATH of $1163.... and into the super $1,600 area.. and most likely into the $3k to $5k arena. 

So accordingly, ThisisThis, your prediction of NOT going past $1,000 will likely ONLY be correct if BTC prices stay below $850-ish.


Title: Re: When will the next bubble start?
Post by: InwardContour on August 10, 2014, 10:03:02 AM
The next rally is starting but it won't pass the $1000 value, it will peak in two months from now maybe.

Is not at all likely that the price will peak at $1000.
Someone will sell of course, but the rally won't stop so early, it will go at least 2x from there.


Title: Re: When will the next bubble start?
Post by: Argwai96 on August 10, 2014, 10:13:00 AM
The next rally is starting but it won't pass the $1000 value, it will peak in two months from now maybe.

If price gets past $850-ish, then surely it is going to go past $1,600.  It is NOT too likely that we are going to see prices in the $850 to $1,600 range for any extended period of time...  b/c if the prices go into that territory.. they are going to shoot past the previous ATH of $1163.... and into the super $1,600 area.. and most likely into the $3k to $5k arena. 

So accordingly, ThisisThis, your prediction of NOT going past $1,000 will likely ONLY be correct if BTC prices stay below $850-ish.

What's the basis for the $850 level? Technical analysis, fundamental analysis? Do you have a chart to share? I agree, though, that the $800-830 level was the last level before the down trend went into full swing in February. So $850 might be pretty good confirmation of a strong bull market. But that's all I can think of.


Title: Re: When will the next bubble start?
Post by: JayJuanGee on August 10, 2014, 10:31:11 AM
The next rally is starting but it won't pass the $1000 value, it will peak in two months from now maybe.

If price gets past $850-ish, then surely it is going to go past $1,600.  It is NOT too likely that we are going to see prices in the $850 to $1,600 range for any extended period of time...  b/c if the prices go into that territory.. they are going to shoot past the previous ATH of $1163.... and into the super $1,600 area.. and most likely into the $3k to $5k arena. 

So accordingly, ThisisThis, your prediction of NOT going past $1,000 will likely ONLY be correct if BTC prices stay below $850-ish.

What's the basis for the $850 level? Technical analysis, fundamental analysis? Do you have a chart to share? I agree, though, that the $800-830 level was the last level before the down trend went into full swing in February. So $850 might be pretty good confirmation of a strong bull market. But that's all I can think of.


My $850-ish estimate is likely NOT very scientific and is based, in part, on what I had seen to be the past bubbles between 2011 and present and retracement and reestablishing of a new ATH.  I wished that I could give you better technicals, but I am NOT really good at drawing charts... I come to my opinionated outlook just by looking at the charts that other people make and come to my own conclusions about what I believe to be reasonably likely.... which may or may NOT be correct but I am going based on those hunches to inform my own trading, to extent that I do any trading... Currently, I mainly just continue to buy and to hodl... and to buy some more.   

I have been nervous to sell anything below $700, b/c I am afraid that the BTC rocket could take off and leave me, yet I may do a little trading with a small portion of my BTC portfolio (probably less than 5% of my portfolio) in the $700 to $850 range, though.

Hopefully, that helps to explain at least how I came to my estimations that may NOT be too traditionally scientific.


Title: Re: When will the next bubble start?
Post by: Mobius on August 10, 2014, 09:43:54 PM
The next rally is starting but it won't pass the $1000 value, it will peak in two months from now maybe.
In the past with bitcoin, and with most other bubbles with other asset classes, the peak of the bubble will surpass the previous peak of the previous bubble, usually by a very long shot. Generally speaking the post bubble low is higher then the previous bubble high, although this is not the case. By these standards the next bubble will surpass $1k by a lot.


Title: Re: When will the next bubble start?
Post by: Chicowash on August 11, 2014, 06:28:46 AM
The next rally is starting but it won't pass the $1000 value, it will peak in two months from now maybe.
In the past with bitcoin, and with most other bubbles with other asset classes, the peak of the bubble will surpass the previous peak of the previous bubble, usually by a very long shot. Generally speaking the post bubble low is higher then the previous bubble high, although this is not the case. By these standards the next bubble will surpass $1k by a lot.

This is exactly what i thought, because for the previous bublles we see exact same situation, it could be 3-5k$ at the next bubble peak.


Title: Re: When will the next bubble start?
Post by: scarsbergholden on August 11, 2014, 06:31:09 AM
Maybe the November 2013 bubble was the last one. That would be a bummer, huh? Or maybe masterluc was right, and we're in for a multi-year bear market. Fun stuff!


Title: Re: When will the next bubble start?
Post by: JayJuanGee on August 11, 2014, 10:10:29 AM
Maybe the November 2013 bubble was the last one. That would be a bummer, huh? Or maybe masterluc was right, and we're in for a multi-year bear market. Fun stuff!

LINK???? or it didn't happen.   :)


Title: Re: When will the next bubble start?
Post by: HarmonLi on August 11, 2014, 11:01:48 AM
I guess it'll start in the second half of September. I've changes my mind about the bubble quite a few times over the last months, but I'm quite certain that that date makes most sense. people coming back from their holidays, investing the leftover money in BTC... Yeah... I guess that's reasonable!


Title: Re: When will the next bubble start?
Post by: cbeast on August 11, 2014, 12:04:18 PM
December. Things are looking rather FURry at the moment. We need to achieve a constant bull market first. I don't see the price rise exponentially already. Many people still expect the bubble to happen right now in August. First we need total desperation!
I'm not so sure we will see much capitulation. There will still be panic buying and profit taking.


Title: Re: When will the next bubble start?
Post by: gondel on August 11, 2014, 12:15:58 PM
The next rally is starting but it won't pass the $1000 value, it will peak in two months from now maybe.
And why you think that?
Another prediction without any argument..
Price is based on facts and not on predi tions
BR
GOndel


Title: Re: When will the next bubble start?
Post by: DjPxH on August 11, 2014, 12:21:26 PM
I just go out on a limp here and say the next bubble will start Dec 1st, because that's almost exactly the date when the last bubble (Nov 2013) burst and went down from its ATH. It would be a nice coincidence.